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How do YOU percieve an evoked
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How do you pervieve an evoked spirit? A) Magick Mirror? Astral senses? Instinct? Physical evocation? B) Do you percieve its message clearly? Are you sure or not? C)Is the change in the atmosphere obvious or subtler than you expected? Is it always subjective (well, in terms of initiated\uninitiated) or sometimes an uninitiated could feel it? D)How do you percieve attacks and tests, when they happen??? Answer all these questions and you may earn a $700 check. My answers: A) Until I develop my scrying and AP skills, I rely on my instinct and my extremely weak astral senses. Never succeeded in seeing anything in the bloody mirror. B) Are you kidding? The results and competed tasks are my only proof, I¨ve never had questions answered nor a complete dialog. I¨m waiting for these damned Astral Senses to be developed... C) Oh yes, this IS obvious. But the communication between us is another story... D) Feeling of ¨something is wrong¨ and extremely rapid emotional changes, as if deeply insulted, for fragments of a second. |
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A) Mainly by whatever already developed astral senses I have, physical sensations, changes in smoke patterns or candle flames, and if I hear something like, "Why the fuck did YOU call ME?" :P B) Generally I second-guess myself but that's more because I'm a prick as opposed to me not hearing the messages clear. C) Generally obvious. Almost like a change in air pressure. I've never done an evocation with someone else present, I plan to at some point. D) Like searing pain (:P) or I'll notice them as they happen intuitively and sometimes counteract them or just let my shields/circle catch it if I feel they can. Gimme ma money bizzatch! *grin* |
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A) Astral Senses and Instinct. Never succeded a Physical evocation. B) The Message is REALLY clear. C) Sometimes I may even smell the alterations, for example, when Summoning a Spirit of Venus/Netzach. D) Once an Angel image in my bedroom fell in the ground and almost exploded in pieces. Trust me, attacks are REALLY easy to feel. And E) Please, please, please, DEVELOP your Astral Senses before working with Summonings. Lawrence "Diablo" Leon |
A.)All of the above. Mainly mirror and physical and astral senses.
(Manifestations not always physical, but have had some.) B.)Yes. They may vary in their modes of communication, but the message is clear. If it's not, I simply tell the spirit to speak more clearly and intelligibly. C.)Again, this varies too. D.)And, as usual, this varies as well. Sometimes attacks will have physical effects on the environment I am working in. Sometimes not. For me, attacks have not always come during ritual. |
Please, take what I'm going to say seriously!!! Have you ever experienced, working outdoors on a very hot day with lots and lots of flies, that after a good LBRP flies tend... not to enter the circle ?!?!?!?!? Trust me, it works! |
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In what way is the message really clear? Do you hear it as words? See it as pictures? What? :D |
That would generally vary from person to person. Alot of folks seem
to be either visual or intuitive knowledge oriented but some really can
hear the conversation, 'feel' it, etc more so. I myself was about 70%
intuitive, 25% heard, 5% seen until recently. Lately I get info more in
visual flashes and intuitive knowledge about 40% intuitive 60% visual.
Harder to interpret :P |
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Well, it varies from Spirit to Spirit. I contacted a Spirit to ask for the health situation of a friend of mine. Not to ask him to HEAL her, just to know what was happening. He showed me a book full of symbols, and I had to decipher each symbol. When I asked something that was not in the book, he again answered by a symbol - this time drawing it in the air with the finger, and leaving the light behind. It was left to me to determine what each of these symbols meant. In this case, a VERY well written diary helped A LOT. Once I went in the Astral Plane to thank a Spirit for the help She gave me (the 19th Spirit of the Legion of Marduk, of the Necronomicon; yes, it WORKS). She talked to me clearly, by words, in my native language, with a beautiful voice. The message is always clear, be it symbols, words or whatever. It changes from Spirit to Spirit, but, trust me, you´re gonna have difficulties if you can´t tell what are the Spirit´s words and what is just your thoughts. May I suggest the 1st and 2nd Levels of Bardon´s IIH? And, By The Way, in extreme cases Poltergeist effects, as well as "telephone ringings", will be Physical attacks made for you to loose attention in the Circle. In order to mantain the concentration, and to concentrate in 2, 3, 4 things at the same time, may I suggest 3rd Level of Bardon´s IIH, and/or a good background in Liber MMM? May you have success, Lawrence "Diablo" Leon |
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When you say he "showed you," did you see this with your physical eyes or with your mind's eye? |
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Mind´s eye. I never made a successful Evocation to the Physical plane. Yet. By the way, Entities sometimes leave strange signs outside of the ritual room. For example, when I evoked Zisi/Mashinanna, and just didn´t banish in the end (yes, I was STUPID), a cup was broken in my parent´s room and, while I was sleeping, the front door of my house (electrical) opened itself. As if saying "I was here". |
I perceive them as passing thoughts and brush them all off with a
shrug and a good laugh. And I am not being
funny. |
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A) Leaving aside LBRP/IRP manifestations, all my workings have been astral, or, on one occasion, I sensed an exact "double" of the angel I was working with in the astral here on the physical. I don't think I'd call this an evocation, but it was very clear that this being's energy was in both places. B) Communication has always been like telepathy, or a series of images. C) Well, around archangels so far, the environment has always been permeated with a sense of calm, tranqulity, and timelessness. The one energy double i mentioned above, well, when I sensed it here, it felt like it appeared with a "pop" or "spark" of electricity. D) I usually just test an archangel with the sign of horus or of silence, or an appropriate invoking pentagram. The only "attacks" I've ever felt were when travelling to an astral temple, bumping into "malignant" things on the way. They quickly dispersed as a result of a pentagram or godname. I have to admit, it was kind of scarry the first time I saw a bunch of "astral claws" groping towards me, but knowing how to raise the sword, so to speak, and watching them flee was a real confidence boost. |
A) Not something you would want to mess with and I can both see them
at times and feel their presence on an emtional level because of me being
an Empath. B) Sure I do it's madder then a honet that just had it's family killed off better leave it alone. C) Again I say don't mess with something like that esspecially if it's changing the enviroment. D) When I'm attacked they tend to take control of my body and do things that are not exactly very pleasant. Luckily I haven't been possessed for along time which i'm happy about. |
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