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Old 02-07-2005, 11:44 PM   #1
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I've been wondering about this "lust for result" with goetic magick.

1. In one sense "lust for result" will interfere with the energies we send to manifest our desire.

2. Another thought is, if I sent someone to buy me a piece of cake and he/she agreed to do it, then go about their business within specified time agreed, they'll go get it for me no matter if I think about it or not.

Which of the two of these is true? why?
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Old 02-08-2005, 01:04 AM   #2
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My experience has been it's a touch of both. One doesn't have to really forget all about the working because if it has been a successful summoning and it's within the abilities of the spirit, it will surely manifest.

However, having obssessive "lust for result" type thoughts can certainly make it more difficult for the spirit--a little like sending someone on an errand and constantly bugging them with phonecalls every 2 minutes. but the main problem with "lust for result" is that it tends to make a magician feel rather miserable about his magick instead of confident. so it's just not a good attitude to foster in general, even though my experience is that goetic spirits can and will work around poor mental habits eventually.

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Old 02-08-2005, 02:07 AM   #3
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you'll notice that when you become omnipotent
when you have the power to have anything you want or do anything you want
or change anything you want about the world

you'll find that it's quite perfect the way it is

this is acting without lust of result


more,
when it comes to changing things
it is a matter of changing something within yourself
lust inhibits the surrender required to transform
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Old 02-08-2005, 02:30 AM   #4
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Phamphage has an interesting point with the example he gives with the phone calls.

If you ask a spirit to do your wish, you should let the spirit do his work. But if you stress all the time and make phone calls and think of it how it should be, then you will try to do more then the spirit.
You have to believe in your magic cause otherwise it wont be effective.

The best thing to do is not to think of it and just let it go, you will see that it will have his effect in a time. It can be one day or it can be one year, but it will
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Old 02-09-2005, 12:05 PM   #5
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Based upon my own experience, the "lust for results" question is fluid depending upon what "style" of work I am doing; Goetic work, creating a servitor, charging a talisman, ad infinitum. Within a Goetic context, I try to intensify my "lust for result" during the operation - letting it 'peak' and then letting it go when the ritual is completed. As a magician, I think it's imperative that I operate under the assumption that the spirit will do what I asked, that my ritual will work and that lingering doubt is pointless. For extremely important things, I don't like to leave much to chance. There are a few spirits that I always get good results from, I will evoke them and my past success rate cements my confidence in the operation.

Even so-called "positive" (i.e., this ritual is so going to work) thoughts can have the opposite effect if/when any lingering doubts and skepticism start to creep in. After writing my experience down in my diary, I actively try to direct my attention elsewhere.


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