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Lovemagus 08-04-2004 05:53 AM

The Mysteries of Evocation
 
I would like to open a new thread concerning evocation to ask some new questions.

The first to propose is: has anyone ever RECORDED a PHYSICAL (NOT MIRROR) evocation such as a goetic one by video camera that I could see or that is on a website somewhere??

Lovemagus 08-04-2004 05:57 AM

Additionally, I have to ask what people thing the theory of evocation is concerning the astral fabric...i mean can a spirit see me as I type this letter right now...are they just waiting for me to set up the ritual and request their appearance or is it much more difficult than that in the sense the astral fabric must be opened by a gateway through arduous ritual and activation of the chakras??? What indeed is required? I would say my astral sight and hearing has some development as I have seen shades clearly while conscious but they came to me - i didn't summon them.


David
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lovemagus
I would like to open a new thread concerning evocation to ask some new questions.

The first to propose is: has anyone ever RECORDED a PHYSICAL (NOT MIRROR) evocation such as a goetic one by video camera that I could see or that is on a website somewhere??

kzerial 08-04-2004 07:04 AM

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i'd love to be able to answer all your questions.

but, yes, there are folks who've captured "spirits" on film (lost links). whether they are spirits who knows - not sure if "spheres" and "orbs" fall into this class. i think they are dead folk in some cases. i'd say they are from the lower astral levels in most cases.

there's also EVP - electronic voice phenomenon. they are capturing the voices of dead folk on tape/pc recordings etc. anyone can do it...

as far as traditional evocation goes (grimoires), i don't think that whatever comes through is the spirit described/evoked. i think We play most of the roles here...it's just different parts/levels of mind. the descriptions are an aid for focus - self hypnosis.

i've found that when i actually Do magick it seems more of (designed to be) a brain building system. i got this with enochian. this and archaic psychology.

who has'nt wondered if spirits were looking in on them!? a fair question which would help in others - if settled beyond doubt.

one important point i learned (from reading) is that spirits have other things to do than waste time toying/entertaining the likes of john doe.

and it is important to provide a medium - for contact. so maybe this specific point says that no, they can't just peek in whenever they want.
i'm certainly not sure. but again, the lower astral realms are easier to contact - and visa versa.

Lovemagus 08-04-2004 07:11 AM

Well that doesn't quite answer the intent of my question:

I asked if anyone has recorded by video an actual EVOCATION of an entity, such as a goetic spirit for instance...that is what I want to know - not about necromancy...

Further, I am not asking for theories on the nature of evocation whether it be mental or what have you -- I think it is a valid point - we operate in seven dimensions anyway...so evocation or anything for that matter operates on all seven levels at once, and on one level, yes it is all in the brain or on the merkabah as I see it!!

And yes I have enough humility to wonder why they will want to entertain my calls...but then I also have to believe I am entitled to call them as part of my inner right if they are part of me...finally, ===

Please instruct me on how to evoke..

David, the Love Magus, the bright and morning star of Venus

Quote:
Originally Posted by kzerial
i'd love to be able to answer all your questions.

but, yes, there are folks who've captured "spirits" on film (lost links). whether they are spirits who knows - not sure if "spheres" and "orbs" fall into this class. i think they are dead folk in some cases. i'd say they are from the lower astral levels in most cases.

there's also EVP - electronic voice phenomenon. they are capturing the voices of dead folk on tape/pc recordings etc. anyone can do it...

as far as traditional evocation goes (grimoires), i don't think that whatever comes through is the spirit described/evoked. i think We play most of the roles here...it's just different parts/levels of mind. the descriptions are an aid for focus - self hypnosis.

i've found that when i actually Do magick it seems more of (designed to be) a brain building system. i got this with enochian. this and archaic psychology.

who has'nt wondered if spirits were looking in on them!? a fair question which would help in others - if settled beyond doubt.

one important point i learned (from reading) is that spirits have other things to do than waste time toying/entertaining the likes of john doe.

and it is important to provide a medium - for contact. so maybe this specific point says that no, they can't just peek in whenever they want.
i'm certainly not sure. but again, the lower astral realms are easier to contact - and visa versa.


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