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Mmothra
07-20-2004, 02:57 AM
Vergessenheit
06-27-2004, 09:07 AM
I'm interested in learning to work with Enochian entities, but I have no idea where to start. What books would you suggest for a beginner? Anything in the Grimoire Library?
Nefari
06-27-2004, 10:34 AM

I'm currently going through Enochian Magic for Beginners by Donald Tyson. While it does have a few odd theories, it is a great systematic overview of Enochian Magic that supposively refines things that Crowley and the Golden Dawn leave out. But it is just that, a primer to get the concepts clear before going on into deeper material.

Frater Manjet
06-27-2004, 02:03 PM

My first suggestion is avoid Tyson ( IMO )

I would suggest beginning with the language and gematria, as well as the basic aspects of the watchtower tablets and how heirarchies are divided as well as how the names are derived.

This will be a very good start.

Ekron
06-28-2004, 12:32 AM

This I think may take you years of study but worth it in the end. If I might surgest, study as many books as you deem necessary then formulate your own system with the knowledge gained and with gentle and gradual practice.

Books I've found useful:

Enochian Magic for Beginners, Tyson.
Enochian Magic, A Practical Manual, Gerald & Betty Schueler (good for various pronounciations if nothing else).
Golden Dawn Enochian Magic, Pat Zalewski (many advanced practical workings).

Books that return to the source:

The Five Books of Mystical Exercises of John Dee, Joseph Paterson.
The Enochian Evocation of Dr.John Dee, Geoffrey James.

You may wish to consider the very neglected Heptarchia Mystica, this was revealed to Dee and Kelly before the Watchtowers:

The Heptarchia Mystica of John Dee, Robert Turner.

There is a fair amount of overlap with some of these books but the variatons can be interesting to say the least. Some unfortunately contain careless errors.

All_One_Mind
06-28-2004, 02:25 AM

Of all the Enochian introduction texts I've read, Ben Rowe's (http://www.Hermetic.com.com/browe-archive/pdf/enochian magick reference.pdf) seemed to be the best (HTML version: HERE (http://www.hermetic.com/browe-archive/enochian.htm).) Donald Tyson's book seemed alright, but I have heard more than one experienced Enochian magician like Frater Manjet recommend beginners avoid it.

From my personal experiences, I have found Enochian magick to be the most difficult and convuluted system of ceremonial magick in existance. I also have first hand experience of it blowing up in my face because I messed with it years ago, before I was prepared.

With the disclaimers aside, I would say that it is one of the most powerful , if not the most powerful system of magick known to man. Best of luck to your future studies and workings.

Frater Manjet
06-28-2004, 03:07 AM

From my personal experiences, I have found Enochian magick to be the most difficult and convuluted system of ceremonial magick in existance. I also have first hand experience of it blowing up in my face because I messed with it years ago, before I was prepared.Difficult and convoluted... yes for many reasons, not the least of which any real decent source material for the beginner and quite so for adept as well. I will say however that under the surface of complexity lies an elegant simplicity in it's mechanics.With the disclaimers aside, I would say that it is one of the most powerful , if not the most powerful system of magick known to man. Best of luck to your future studies and workings.Powerful yes I have to agree 100% here. I will also add that it is not a matter if if it will blow up in your face it is when, in what manner, how often and how badly.

This magick is very inertial and once truly started takes on an impetus of it's own.

Om A Piap (210/3)

Vergessenheit
06-28-2004, 06:46 AM

Thanks for all of the replies guys!

Now, you say that Enochian workings tend to be susceptible to blowing up in your face. Well, is this regardless of how you do it? I mean, by the letter, as opposed to in a Chaos Magick "framework"? Anyone who's read my posts knows my main interest is using classical grimoires with a Chaos Magick mindset. But, if I mess around with the prescribed methods of contacting Enochian entities, am I asking for trouble?

Just figured I'd ask before I get my mind torn apart or something.

Frater Manjet
06-28-2004, 09:30 AM

Moving this to Beginners information...

I have covered much of this many times.. see First steps int Enochian Magick dangers and practices.

Om A Piap (210/3)

Tzimtzum
06-28-2004, 09:31 AM

Personally, I don't practice Enochian unless it's with the G.'.D.'. temple that I associate with, for many different reasons. One, because of the unpredictable nature of it. Yes, you can do it "right" every single time, and sometimes it will still backfire on you. The other being that it's really unnecessary for the type of work that I do, and not the most powerful system, for me.

Then again, my system is very "rabbinic" and probably wouldn't fit with some other people's religious views and preferences. It's just a matter of choice.