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Permanent absence of magickal link
Old 02-20-2005, 07:49 PM   #1
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Well, guys, my problem is twofold.

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In the last year I have repeatedly tried to evoke/contact, for example, goetic entities.
Hearing your advice and experiences, these guys should heve either f*cked me up or completing the tasks I have set down for them. Nothing of both occured.
I have given them LOTS of energy, mainly due to the attention I gave and secondly due to the energy I have given them on purpose, to complete the tasks, and I didn't even have the impression that they recieved it. Even now, looking back, I don't think that they got the energy, while it is said here that it even feels good to them when we mention their names in posts. And I repeat, they had the means to f*ck me up due to the minimum protection I had.
Perfect absence of any magickal link at all.

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When I perform low magick, some results occur. But it clearly seems like the "pipeline" from me (as the energy source) and the entities or functions who should recieve it to achieve something SERIOUSLY leeks. My estimation is that 90% of the energy gets lost! For example, I get NO results from, say, candle magick, visualisation etc, and I get SOME results when I use sperm, which is supposed to be my nuclear power plant and not the standard source of SOME energy! It leaks, leaks, leaks. WHY???


As many of you know, I'm not a complete newbie in magick. But something seems to be missing from my practice which makes the energy NOT go straight to the target.
Any ideas???
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Old 02-20-2005, 09:28 PM   #2
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Old 02-20-2005, 09:42 PM   #3
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I dont think there's any such thing as magickal link. Or at least losing it permanently. For some people it takes a long time before they can perform evocations or even make contacts with entities successfully.
Maybe you've hit a magickian's block. Maybe you are not ready yet. You yourself can know the answers to these.
My suggestion is that, dont push too hard. Take your time. Practice basic rituals regularly. Work on your chakras. Work on your physical body as well.
And as for the low magick and overall, strengthen your paradigm. Enflame yourself. Dont despair and dont accept defeat. You should know that you can perform magick successfully. It's within you, in your spirit.
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Old 02-20-2005, 10:05 PM   #4
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I suggest you drop the Solomonic magick and begin something like what is within Bardon's Initiation into the Hermetics.
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Old 02-21-2005, 10:47 PM   #5
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Thank you for the advice people.



But that's exactly the problem!

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Practice basic rituals regularly.


I do so, and with VERY satisfactory success!

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Enflame yourself.

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You should know that you can perform magick successfully


I do, and I can perform magick successfully, whenever I want to. The problem is not absence of success, the problem is that the results EXIST but are VERY POOR compared toi the amount of energy put in.

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My estimation is that 90% of the energy gets lost!

The other 10% does its job, but why should I compromise with something so weak???

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I get SOME results when I use sperm, which is supposed to be my nuclear power plant and not the standard source of SOME energy! It leaks, leaks, leaks. WHY???
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Old 02-21-2005, 11:24 PM   #6
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Im going to go out on a limb and assume the problem with making contact with entities has something to do with your vibrations. Practise skyring and when yu do notice the trance like state yu achieve after a few mintues. Your mind goes a bit blank and you begin to slip off into another reality. This is the point yu want to achieve while staring at the spirits sigil. Everytime yu chant its name FEEL your bodies vibrations changing to meet that of the entity your summoning. Yu mentioned sperm and if yu feel comftorable yu can masturbate on the spirits sigil to create a link (though it can be dangerous). Also try working on feeling the results come to pass when doing the ritual. When doing candle magick feel and visualize your results manifesting from the mental to the astral and all the way to the physical. I can go more in depth if yu would like.

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Old 02-22-2005, 12:07 AM   #7
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Hmmm... Yes, the "right state" is something Ι often overlook a bit... Looking at sigils while being in everyday consciousness doesn't bring much.
Slowing down on the mind states may be what I'm lacking in... I'll try.

Thank you again!

For those who are familiar, what is better for these things? Alpha or Theta mind state???
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Old 02-22-2005, 12:39 AM   #8
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I'm confused. When you try to evoke eg a Goetia spirit, do you feel/hear/see it at all?

The first step of an evocation is to communicate with the spirit, the second step to get the physical result.
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I disagree a bit grab the first step is to connect with it followed by your other two steps
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Old 02-22-2005, 03:38 AM   #10
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Sure Ashnook, you are right. I just have big chunks. I was just curious if he actually chatted, or if he didn't even get online.
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Im going to go out on a limb and assume the problem with making contact with entities has something to do with your vibrations. Practise skyring and when yu do notice the trance like state yu achieve after a few mintues. Your mind goes a bit blank and you begin to slip off into another reality. This is the point yu want to achieve while staring at the spirits sigil. Everytime yu chant its name FEEL your bodies vibrations changing to meet that of the entity your summoning. Yu mentioned sperm and if yu feel comftorable yu can masturbate on the spirits sigil to create a link (though it can be dangerous). Also try working on feeling the results come to pass when doing the ritual. When doing candle magick feel and visualize your results manifesting from the mental to the astral and all the way to the physical. I can go more in depth if yu would like.

Hope this helps,
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Do elaborate and go in depth on this please Ashnook.
To add to that, here's some more questions for your quoted post:
- why is it dangerous to create a link through semen on the sigil?
- what do you mean by vibration in above context?
- tips on "tuning" into the vibration of the entity, maybe?
- how do you know if the link established? - what to notice pls?
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Do elaborate and go in depth on this please Ashnook.
To add to that, here's some more questions for your quoted post:
- why is it dangerous to create a link through semen on the sigil?
- what do you mean by vibration in above context?
- tips on "tuning" into the vibration of the entity, maybe?
- how do you know if the link established? - what to notice pls?


1. Becuase in this method yu are DIRECTLY connected to the entity and it WILL be able to influence yu and speak to yu outside of evokation.

2. Vibrations refer to the energy around yu. Kind of like when some people say they get wierd "vibes" around graveyards etc etc. Not the energy in your room per sa and not your personal aura...the energy that changes with your mood and such.

3. When staring at the sigil everytime yu chant its name feel a part of that energy changing to that of the entities. Your probably wondering how to know what the energy of the entity is...this is unimportant right now just KNOW that it is changing and try to feel it. If it helps imagine your energy as a grid and with chant a brick is removed and replaced with that of the entities. This is where the old saying goes "yu become what you evoke". While yu will not directly change yu will overtime develop traits of the critter if your not careful.

4. Yu will feel a sort of tug almost on your crown chakra or third eye chakra and yu will start to regain semi conciousness and begin to awake from gnosis. Yu will FEEL connected to the entity. This is when yu say the conjuration.
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