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From my standpoint I think that many Magickians are too awestruck by the Arch Angels and thus miss a great opportunity. They are CERTAINLY impressive beings (Not constructs of the mind; BEINGS). However, IMO the Magickian should also focus on having a PERSONAL relationship with the Arch Angels. I have had a very strong relationship with both Gabriel and Michael. Both have always appeared to me as male. I have seen them in their "Blinding" aspect as well as their more personal aspect. ON MY REQUEST they have kept their forms those that I can relate to the easiest. These are forms THEY presented to me not ones I made up for them. Both have been there for me when I needed them. They, especially Gabriel, were some of my first teachers. They introduced me to many others. They showed me the Astral and gave me my first tools. They taught me how to protect myself in my early years. In the LBRP they serve a specific purpose that has already been discussed. Outside the LBRP they can be MUCH MORE if the Magickian will open their eyes and take advantage of what they have to offer. Be awestruck certainly. Then get over it and approach them as teachers. Over time they can become true allies. To gain this experience one has only to open themselves up to them. Ask and you shall receive... Time and time again I have seen that Magickians are often too timid when dealing with other Entities. They view the entities as being unapproachable much as a young teenager sometimes sees the gorgeous object of their desire being unattainable. Just ask. Take that first step courageously. You might be surprised at the results. They may not answer immediately but they might surprise you. This advice applies to Gods, Arch Angels, and any other entity that you encounter either accidently or by specific intent. And yes, take the normal precautions and protect yourself. They will respect that even if they sometimes find it humorous. This has been my experience. I hope this helps. Humbly, I AM Quote:
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Originally Posted by merlin as just using a dagger and do the spirit pentagram, and focus on enpowering my psychic abilities. Quote:
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While off topic I feel that the subject of the existence of the Gods must be addressed. Perhaps to some these beings are figments or our psyche awaiting release through some sort of ritual or mind altering drug. Beings, that are defined to be only internal, have only the capability to build a fantasy world. That is the world you describe. To others these Beings have the capability to teach us much about Magick, show us our true nature and it's true place in the Universe, and assist us in our growth. The BEINGS that I and other Magickians have dealt with have the capability to not only directly influence the REAL world but also open up other worlds (REAL WORLDS) to the Magickian. The Divinity Within that some claim is a figment is, in actuality, a powerful reality. It has nothing to do with “God” or religion. It has everything to do with that part of ourselves that rises above the “human” part. To some, apparently, the Astral is a dream reality. To others the Astral is a place where objects that exist in the world can be manipulated directly and the results of that manipulation made manifest in this physical world. To others the Astral, and its many levels, are a place of learning and growth. To others the Astral is the location of the Temple and where Magick is practiced. To others the Astral is as real as the physical world. It is your loss that the Astral you describe has the limits it does. If a Magickian perceives that what is summoned is only a part of their psyche then they miss an entire universe of experience. As Above, So Below is not just a saying. It is a truth that exists on many levels and in many realities. It is obvious that we disagree. However, to imply that anyone that KNOWS that these BEINGS really exist is psychotic (as you implied with your Hawkings example) is an attempt to IMPOSE a narrow interpretation on others. You are free to your beliefs and I wish you well. However, I suggest that the limits that you propose are not only incorrect but should NOT be adopted by others. Saying that these entities do not exist does not make them go away. While this is an interesting discussion for some it is also NOT on topic. Therefore, I suggest that further discussions take place in PM and not in this topic. Either that or that a new topic be created to discuss this. I am not attempting to have the last word. I am just stating my opinion that we have gotten off topic. We disagree. I can live with that. I hope you can as well. I AM |
The LBRP creates a protective Circle. I think this is what you meant
to say. Proper performance of the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram (LBRP) automatically creates the protective Circle. I wish you luck in your endeavor. I would recommend that if you are going to summon this God that you EVOKE first. The power of many Gods is so great that the Magickian can actually be damaged by the influx of power unless they know how to re-direct it when it becomes too great. That is why I suggest EVOKING rather than INVOKING. If you are just going to pray to this God then summoning is unnecessary. I hope this helps. Humbly, I AM |
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The advanced techniques that Frater Manjet has shared are not commonly found in many discussions about the LBRP. However, they are not only effective but are critical for advanced workings. One can even combine more than two elements in the LBRP. As Frater Manjet indicated the possibilities are limited only by the imagination of the Magickian. I am going to add one more thing that will seem very cryptic to many. The Points of the Pentagram represent the Elements. The UNION of the Elements creates the Magickian. While this comment may seem a little off the topic of the LBRP it is truly not. Humbly, I AM Quote:
No, it is not a contradiction. Magick occurs in the Astral before manifesting in the physical. This is a SIMPLIFIED explanation but suffices for this discussion. BTW, I am the person who wrote it so I felt it would be alright to respond. When one creates a physical Circle one is simultaneously creating an Astral Circle even if they do not realize it (As Below, So Above). If you created the Astral Circle first then As Above, So Below would indicate that the physical Circle exists as well. When we perform magickal ritual we are really performing this ritual in the Astral even if we are physically doing it. At the completion of our ritual our magick emanates through the Astral and MANIFESTS in the physical if we have done things properly AND we are strong enough. BTW, if you read my Talking Points - The Circle post carefully you will see that I DO use the Circle and NOT a bubble. So, your theory needs some work. However, there are many magickians that do use a bubble or sphere and that is why I included it. It matters little if you take me seriously. I am only sharing what my experience has shown me. You may take it or leave it. As far as being an "arm chair" theorist goes, I do find that comment amusing. I hope this helps. Humbly, I AM |
Quote: Originally Posted by Frater Manjet I will not go into great depth here save to point to the further layering of meaning within the ritual by means of employing various tools. I think you will get the concept. The tools would represent the magickians direct influence in the whole ritual. The Fire Wand could be employed for a LBRP ( by air ), or the Water Cup could be employed for a LBRP ( by fire ).The possibilities are vast indeed. I hope this helps. "From Horizon to Horizon in VVV" Fr. Manjet Quote: Originally Posted by I AM ...I am going to add one more thing that will seem very cryptic to many. The Points of the Pentagram represent the Elements. The UNION of the Elements creates the Magickian. While this comment may seem a little off the topic of the LBRP it is truly not. Humbly, I AM I fear I may have been a little too cryptic with my previous post so I wish to give my fellow Magickians something to contemplate. What would happen if a ritual that used the element of FIRE and combined it with the WATER CUP were to be FOCUSED through ANOTHER ELEMENT? What would happen if a ritual that used FOUR ELEMENTS were to be FOCUSED through the FIFTH ELEMENT? What would happen if a RITUAL contained ALL the ELEMENTS EQUALLY? These questions, when answered, open up an entire new world for the Magickian. Understand that it is INTENT that both focuses Elements through each other and allows them to be combined. Consider also that the UNION of all the Elements is also the BALANCE of all the Elements within the Magickian. From this UNION the Magickian is created. This UNION, once achieved, is the Magickian's to call at will. The LBRP is FAR more than a BANISHING ritual. Those who consider it only a Banishing Ritual are not worthy of it. This paraphrased from Aleister Crowley. Humbly, I AM Quote:
Things I hate: 1. Those who attempt to turn Magick into some kind of role playing game. http://www.occultforums.com/showthread.php?t=6881 This pisses me off because I take Magick SERIOUSLY. It is my life. 2. Those who PRETEND to have power and capabilities that they do not possess. They imply that they have great power. They say they are a MAGE. Yet they offer no proof and RARELY share anything of value. We have had more than a few like that in OF. 3. Those who cannot share what they know with others because the knowledge they have is too ARCANE for others not sufficiently advanced enough. While it is true that some things cannot be shared, that is different than saying that "I've got secrets but you are not ready to hear them". I have seen these type of posts here in the forum before and they always piss me off. These types of people RARELY have anything that is worth anything. 4. Those who judge the Magick of others or imply that their own Magick is superior to others. It is almost never true. If you have a good product you do not have to advertise it...it speaks for itself. 5. Those who feel they have the right to JUDGE the actions or Magick of others. They do not. 6. Those who would turn Magick into some "fluffy" reality while ignoring the evil that some do. The world of Magick is no different then this physical reality. There are some that are bad or evil and they need to be stopped. 7. People who come into these Forums just to create hate and discontent because of our practice or beliefs. Not only Christians have been guilty of this...but they have done it the most. 8. Those who assume Magick does not exist because they have never seen it in their lives and who then ATTACK others who do have Magick in their lives. This type of ignorance has also been prevalent in these Forums. May the Gods save us from ignorance such as this. 9. Those who ask for advice and then either flame or ignore those who respond. Attitudes such as this will not get them invited to Thangsgiving dinner. This may be the grossest ignorance of all. 10. Those who think that Magick is about "who is the baddest Magickian"? They want to turn Magick into a power struggle. They magickally attack upon the slightest excuse. These types are usually the weakest of all Magickians. 11. Those who try to increase their perceived POWER by associating themselves or trying to imply links with other Magickians that are respected for their capabilities. If one's self image relies on their association with others then they are in for great disappointment. They are ALWAYS found out in the end. I know this was more than 10. However, as you can see I have pet peeves that no doubt reflect on my Karma. The above issues never fail to piss me off and most of the time I feel the need to respond. Humbly, I AM |
Hey Overflowed_Buffer! Let me try again but this time I will use examples. Let us say that a person is about to be sent away by his parents to a school that is far away from home...or sent to another geographic location...that will separate him from the girl that he loves. He does not want this to happen and turns to Ritual Magick to solve his problem. He decides to use the Goetia to achieve his aims. He states his intent to be as follows. "I desire that I NOT be sent to XXXXX so that I may continue my love life with my girlfriend". Ritual is performed and the following scenarios occur. 1. The magickian's parents are killed in a car accident and plans to send the magickian away are stopped. The Entity gave the magickian exactly what he asked for. 2. The magickian is in a car accident and becomes brain damaged, unable to care for himself, and therefore will not be sent away. The entity gave the magickian exactly what he asked for. 3. The magickian's parents go bankrupt and, thus, not longer have the money to send the magickian away. The entity gave the magickian exactly what he asked for. In all of these cases the magickian got what he asked for. In all cases the LAW of Unintended Consequences was invoked. In all cases the magickian got what they asked for but NOT what they wanted. If you think that I am exagerating I am not. I am being as serious as a heart attack. Been there. Done that. In this case the magickian focused on the WRONG INTENT. The true INTENT that should have been focused on was preventing separation from adversely affecting the love between the magickian and his girlfriend, OR making the love between the magickian and his girlfriend so strong that no event can break the two apart. In this case and ENTIRELY DIFFERENT group of Entities could assist. In this situation the stated intent would also be different. For example the Statement of INTENT could look something like this. "With no harm to any make our love so strong that no event in this physical reality can break us apart". You can imagine that the possible results of this INTENT would be different from the other stated INTENT. However, be careful what you ask for...you might get what you ask for. In this case the magickian's dream girl of today may be the horror of tomorrow. This is what I meant by being more specific in your INTENT. Decide what it is you REALLY want to accomplish. Determine what your STATEMENT of INTENT should be. Then determine and eliminate all possible unintended consequences. After you have done this THEN AND ONLY THEN should you determine which Entity would best serve your purposes. You should not limit your choice of Entities to the Goetia. There are many different Entities out there (Angels, etc) that can assist you. However, if you believe that Angels are somehow kinder or more forgiving then you will be deluding yourself. They are NOT. Their energies are just different and the method of action is different (although not much different). Now, I ask you again, please be specific in what it is you intend. Then we may be able to answer your question. Humbly, I AM Quote:
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As a gross example I give you the Optimist and the Pessimist. Both supposedly live in the same world but see two entirely different REALITIES. For them, their worlds ARE different. And each of their worlds becomes their prision. The secret is to step outside and Witness and Acknowledge that "As Within So Without" is truth. At that point, true change becomes possible. Humbly, I AM Quote:
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Hey my friend! I believe the technique you are looking for is an upside down pentagram. This was an old "crafter's" (not to be confused with WICCAN) technique for keeping unwanted visitors from entering their homes while they were away or protecting them while inside their homes. I read about this years ago in a book about Witchcraft and Magick. The technique involves casting an upside down pentagram at the entrances to the property or house. The pentagram was bright blue / white and was cast at EACH entrance to the place to be protected. No ritual words were necessary. I used this for years with success. In Hawaii, while in the military, I used to have to travel around the world often. I averaged being away from my house about 2 weeks out of every month. Each time I left I would cast these pentagrams. During my stay in Hawaii many houses on my street were broken into and robbed. Most of the time this occurred while the owners were away. My house was never bothered. Now, this begs a few questions. Was it the pentagram that protected the house, was it my INTENT used while casting the pentagram, or was it a combination of both? Or was my house never the intended target anyway? I am not certain. However it did work and that is all that mattered at the time (this was when I was 30). fiat_lux_777's Circle technique has also worked for me. I used to cast a circle big enough to encompass the house. Now, I use entities or servitors to accomplish the same purpose. Wards have also worked for me in the past with great success. I hope this answer helps and provides you the answer you were seeking. Humbly, I AM Quote:
III) THEOREMS. Magick in Theory and Practice by Aleister Crowley 4. The first requisite for causing any change is thorough qualitative and quantitative understanding of the conditions. (Illustration: The most common cause of failure in life is ignorance of one’s own True Will, or of the means to fulfill that Will. A man may fancy himself a painter, and waste his life trying to become one; or he may really be a painter, and yet fail to understand and to measure the difficulties peculiar to that career.) 8. A Man whose conscious will is at odds with his True Will is wasting his strength. He cannot hope to influence his environment efficiently. (Illustration: When Civil War rages in a nation, it is in no condition to undertake the invasion of other countries. A man with cancer employs his nourishment alike to his own use and to that of the enemy which is part of himself. He soon fails to resist the pressure of his environment. In practical life, a man who is doing what his conscience tells him to be wrong will do it very clumsily. At first!) 9. A Man who is doing his True Will has the inertia of the Universe to assist him. (Illustration: The first principle of success in evolution is that the individual should be true to his own nature, and at the same time adapt himself to his environment.) 14. Man is capable of being, and using, anything which he perceives, for everything which he perceives is in a certain sense a part of his being. He may thus subjugate the whole of the Universe of which he is conscious to his individual Will. (Illustration: Man has used the idea of God to dictate his personal conduct, to obtain power over his fellows, to excuse his crimes, and for innumerable other purposes, including that of realizing himself as God. He has used the irrational and unreal conceptions of mathematics to help him in the construction of mechanical devices. He has used his moral force to influence the actions even of wild animals. He has employed poetic genius for political purposes.) 24. Every man has an indefeasible right to be what he is. (Illustration: To insist that any one else should comply with one’s own standards is to outrage, not only him, but oneself, since both parties are equally born of necessity.) 25. Every man must do Magick each time he acts or even thinks, since a thought is an internal act whose influence ultimately affects action, though it may not do so at the time. (Illustration: The least gesture causes a change in a man’s own body and in the air around him; it disturbs the balance of the entire Universe, and its effects continue eternally throughout all space. Every thought, however swiftly suppressed, has its effect on the mind. It stands as one of the causes of every subsequent thought, and tends to influence every subsequent action. A golfer may lose a few yards on his drive, a few more with his second and third, he may lie on the green six bare inches too far from the hole, but the net result of these trifling mishaps is the difference between halving and losing the hole.) 26. Every man has a right, the right of self preservation, to fulfill himself to the utmost. Men of “criminal nature” are simply at issue with their true Wills. The murderer has the Will to Live; and his will to murder is a false will at variance with his true Will, since he risks death at the hands of Society by obeying his criminal impulse. (Illustration: A function imperfectly performed injures, not only itself, but everything associated with it. If the heart is afraid to beat for fear of disturbing the liver, the liver is starved for blood and avenges itself on the heart by upsetting digestion, which disorders respiration, on which cardiac welfare depends.) 28. Every man has a right to fulfill his own will without being afraid that it may interfere with that of others; for if he is in his proper place, it is the fault of others if they interfere with him. (Illustration: If a man like Napoleon were actually appointed by destiny to control Europe, he should not be blamed for exercising his rights. To oppose him would be an error. Any one so doing would have made a mistake as to his own destiny, except insofar as it mught be necessary for him to learn the lessons of defeat. The sun moves in space without interference. the order of nature provides an orbit for each star. A clash proves that one or the other has strayed from its course. But as to each man that keeps his true course, the more firmly he acts, the less likely others are to get in his way. His example will helpthem to find their own paths and pursue them. Every man that becomes a Magician helps others to do likewise. The more firmly and surely men move, and the more such action is accepted as the standard of morality, the less will conflict and confusion hamper humanity.) Submitted by I AM |
I am going to answer this question by sharing my experience not only
with Sigils but also with Talismans, Wards, and Amulets. The techniques
and insights that I share have been developed with actual experience.
Since I am discussing multiple items I will provide MY definition for each.
First, I have found that the terms Wards, Talismans and Amulets can and should be used in the same breath as Sigils. It has been my learning that they are ALL SIMILAR just used in different ways and that the methods of construction and empowerment are also similar. In each of these their creation is usually to accomplish a singular intent and their method of action is actually almost identical. Second, I think that when constructing Wards, Talismans, Sigils, or Amulets we need to understand that we are actually constructing "Circuit Boards". These Circuit Boards follow certain design principles and the mere fact that they are PERSONALLY created by the Magickian gives them power. However, they also need to be EMPOWERED to be most effective. This empowerment is usually a PERSONAL Magickal empowerment performed by the Magickian but can also involve outside forces. As a continuation of the above statement, a Magickian
can also ask an Entity to empower the Ward, Talisman, Sigil, or Amulets
with GREAT EFFECT. Creations that are empowered in
this way often are VERY powerful and this technique is very effective for
Magickians when they are new to the path. It is CRITICAL that the
Entity chosen for this work correspond with the INTENT of the Ward,
Talisman, Sigil, or Amulet. As a very BASE example, you do not want to use
a Lunar associated Entity to empower a Solar working UNLESS that is a
specific intent of your working. The reason this is critical is because
the Magickian, at some level, UNDERSTANDS that these Entities have
different aspects and correspondences and many times they conflict with
each other. It is also important to understand that the finished
working contains the empowerment of BOTH the Entity and the
Magickian.
Third, the design of the Sigil, Ward, Amulet, or
Talisman is meaningless unless empowered. If a Magickian understands
the Magick behind the creation of these magickal items then that Magickian
also understands that the chosen design is only a reflection of the
Magickian's INTENT. To put it in simpler terms, a Sigil can be a straight
line and that same identical straight line could be used in multiple
Sigils. It is not the design, it is the EMPOWERED INTENT that is at
work in a Sigil, Amulet, Ward, or Talisman.
The mere fact that the Sigil is hand drawn provides it
with some personal power. When we meditate on a Sigil we are also
providing it with personal power. When we focus SPECIFIC INTENT on a Sigil
we are providing it with the Magickian's Magickal creative power. In each of these actions a Magickian's INTENT is being
focused on the Sigil and through this act, empowering the Sigil. However,
to create a truly effective Sigil much more is needed.
The reason that most Magickians use different designs
for their working is to SEPERATE their INTENT from one design to the
next. If one used a straight line for all their Sigils and were unable
to COMPLETELY remove previous intents from the working then the working
would be corrupted. It is this inability to remove previous intent that
forces many Magickians to create different designs for different purposes.
The method used to derive the design of the Sigil or
the Sigil generator used is, for this reason, unimportant except that it
assists the Magickian in the separation of
INTENT. Our Circuit Boards are generally more powerful if we add more levels of empowerment. Sigils, Wards, Talismans and Amulets that are empowered multiple times, OVER time, are more powerful than those that are just charged once. Each level of empowerment MUST compliment the other levels and each level of empowerment MUST flow into the next without breaks in effect or intent. The circuit must flow without obstruction. As an example, you would not want to have one level promote healing, the next wealth, and the next healing. The energies and YOUR INTENT must flow without deviation. In this way the Magickian is able to construct the most effective Ward, Talisman, Sigil, or Amulet. How does this correspond to the Chaos method of charging and then forgetting the act? Well, it probably does not directly, but it does indirectly. I have never found that forgetting the act was necessary or important. In fact, reinforcing the act by multiple chargings increases the power of the working in my experience. That said, it IS important to KNOW that the working will be effective as this removes doubt. It is this removal of doubt that I think is at the root of the Chaotic Magickian's “forgetting”. If one does not think about it then they will not have the opportunity to doubt. Using Planetary time correspondences also adds a level of empowerment although, in my experience, this is not as critical. If you are going to use Planetary correspondences then you MUST ensure that the correspondence compliments the working. What the Magickian should understand is that by using Planetary correspondences they are actually adding another level of EMPOWERMENT AND INTENT to the working. Any correspondences that relate to the working at hand and that are added to the working adds to the EFFECTIVENESS OF THE FOCUSED INTENT. Again, this is my experience and my understanding. Others may see this point differently. One thing I never see being discussed when I see discussions of Sigils is the combining of Sigils to create even more complicated circuits. It seems that all the Sigil discussions revolve around a SINGLE intent. However, this limits the Magickian and the Magickian should understand that more is sometimes MUCH better. Placing more than one Sigil in the Ward, Talisman, or Amulet can multiply the effects of a single Sigil and can make the "WHOLE more than the SUM of its parts". I have done this for years and have had it reinforced even more in the last year. As an example, using one Sigil for healing, another for pain relief, another for an analgesic, and another to energize the other Sigils all in one Talisman, Ward, or Amulet. This is the method used in many effective Wards, Talismans, and Amulets. However, over time, it seems that commercialism has lost this truth in most cases. While on the subject of commercialism, can a Magickian buy a Sigil, Talisman, or Amulet and have it be as effective as one created by a Magickian? While possible, this is beyond many Magickians. The commercial process leaves out the Thought Form and INTENT that is so important to the working. While the finished product CAN be empowered by a Magickian it is most likely going to be less effective. This is what I know, but others may see it differently. Something else I never see being discussed are time limits. There are NO TIME LIMITS on Sigils, Wards, Talismans, or Amulets unless the Magickian puts one on them during construction. Let me repeat that in a different way. There is NO TIME LIMIT except that of the Magickian's own power. The Magickian MUST understand this. These circuits have been known to last for thousands of years and still be effective. An example of this would be the "mummy's curse" where every member of the expedition that opened the tomb died, some under bizarre circumstances, within a short time period of opening the tomb. Knowing this, the Magickian MUST take into account the "Law of Unintended Consequences". Either that or destroy the creation when done with it. This applies to Sigils and especially applies to Talismans, Amulets, and Wards. Always set time limits. Others will sleep easier if you do. Finally, the Magickian, either through inflaming themselves or through Ritual should strive to put their ENTIRE Focus, INTENT, and energy into the working while creating Wards, Sigils, Talismans, or Amulets. If successful, the Magickian can “see” the results of their workings in the Astral and they will see the empowerment of the working visibly. As with any other Ritual, the Magickian should banish both before and after the working. This not only removes corrupting influences during the operation but also removes unwanted energies after the working is complete. When creating a Sigil, Talisman, Amulet, or Ward we first start with our Thought Form which is that which we desire to accomplish. Using our INTENT the Thought Form takes shape by creating what we desire to accomplish in the form of the design of our working. Once the design is created, we empower our working by focusing our WILL through our INTENT either by using our power alone or by also drawing on the power of other forces. If all is done properly our INTENT manifests in the Astral and correspondingly in the Physical. As Above, So Below. One equals the other. I hope this post proves helpful. Members who read this post are free to experiment with what I say. I am confident their experiments will validate my statements. Humbly, I AM |
Quote: Originally Posted by Grab Indeed excellent. Thank you, I AM. There is only a little technical question. When doing the banishing, how do I protect the sigil/talisman/etc, so that I do not banish away all the power from it? I've read that only silk would protect it, but other sources say cotton is fine. Myself, I'm thinking that my intent of banishing everything except the sigil might be enough, however, that might be optimistic. The banishing rituals ARE powerful. /Grab While this may seem to be a "little" technical question it is not. It is not even just one question! However I will address the questions and answer them based on my own experience. My response will run counter to what others have said or practice and for that I apologize and say that I mean no disrespect to any path or the beliefs of that path. The questions that I gather from this “little” technical question are as follows. Does wrapping a Magickal Item in protective cloth protect the Item from the Banishing?
I have read in many books and seen posts in this forum that say that wrapping a Magickal Item in Silk will protect it. However, if we really look at this statement we can see that it is false. If cloth could counter the effects of Banishing then the LBRP would NEVER work if someone wore clothing. However, we know that it does don't we? And, if Magick were so weak that it could not penetrate some protective cloth then the entire underlying framework of Magick would be called into question. Magick is without limits. But if cloth could prevent our Magick from being effective then Magick WOULD have limits wouldn't it? Therefore it cannot be true. When a Magickian wraps a Magickal Item in protective cloth it is done with reverence and the intent to protect it. It is the Magickian''s Will that it be protected. Put another way, it is the Magickian's INTENT and WILL that it be protected. What is at work here has nothing to do with the cloth. What is at work here is the Magickian's INTENT and WILL. If the Magickian INTENDS that the Item be protected and Wills it then the Item will be protected. Quote: Originally Posted by Grab Myself, I'm thinking that my intent of banishing everything except the sigil might be enough, however, that might be optimistic Wrap the Magickal Item in old newspaper, put it in a sock, or just leave it uncovered. It is the Magickian's INTENT and WILL that protects the Item. So all that is necessary is that the Magickian INTEND for the Item to be protected during Banishing and WILL it and it will be. 2. Does Banishing effect the Magickal Item? While addressed in the above reply I will discuss TOOLS here in this comment. The TOOLS of the Magickian are just that, TOOLS. They represent the FOCUS of the Magickian. Their symbolic meaning assists in FOCUSING the Magickian's INTENT for the working. As such, they are an EXTENSION of the Magickian. Can a Magickian Banish themselves? Of course not. Nor can they Banish the power of their Magickal Weapons unless that is their desire. Having said that, there is nothing wrong with wrapping them in protective cloth as it assists the Magickian in focusing their INTENT and WILL on protecting the Magickal Weapon. It is important for us to remember what we are trying to accomplish when we Banish. We rid our environment of UNWANTED energies. Our INTENTand WILL is enough to protect those Magickal energies that we want to remain. However, we must INTEND and WILL for this protection to happen. 3. Does the Magickian have to be in the same location as the Sigil, Talisman, Amulet, or Ward in order to empower it? I will again ask a few questions to illustrate my point. Is our Magick so weak that it only works within the Magickal Circle? Can the effects of our Magick ONLY occur within the Circle? Is our Magick ineffective outside the Circle? The answer to these questions is NO. Magick is not affected by time or distance. Nor are its boundaries limited by this physical world. A Sigil can be on the other side of the world or in the Astral and still be empowered by the Magickian. The same is true for ANY working. We already know this to be true because many of our Magickal workings are meant to manifest in the world around us.. A Magickian's INTENT and WILL is not limited by distance nor is the Magickian's POWER. The object to be empowered can be thousands of miles away or in the Astral and still be empowered without loss of effectiveness. A Ward can be cast at ANY location, physical or astral, all through the WILL of the Magickian. Now Magickians, being by nature curious and wanting to prove things for themselves, are going to read this and desire to test it. I challenge that what I have said be tested. I am confident that Magickian's who test my words will validate them. Humbly, I AM I will also add that I use INTENT and WILL as two separate terms in the above post. In my practice my INTENT and WILL are the same. If I INTEND it is also my Magickal WILL to do so. I focus my Magickal Will and my Intent is my Will. Humbly, I AM |
First I love for others to share their experiences with the members
of this forum. Thank you endor957 for taking the time to share this with
us. I will have to agree with Master of The Abyss's post. One should always give a dealline for the operation. While it is true that the Goetics do not have the same concept of time that we do, they DO understand OUR concept of time. In my experience they will adhere to deadlines as long as the Magickian imposes them. If, for some reason, they feel the timeline is too aggressive they will tell you and then you can discuss alternatives. This is my experience. Humbly, I AM Quote:
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Solar Grounding
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Draw up power from the Sun into yourself and re-direct it into the Earth. Just make certain one foot (I have always put the Right foot on the Sun) is firmly planted on the Sun and the other foot is firmly planted on the Earth. You need to feel the power rising up from the Sun into your body, feel your body being infused by this energy, and then feel the power flow down the other leg into the Earth. Do this continuously for about 15 minutes. At the end of the 15 minutes, shut off the flow to the Earth while still drawing the power from the Sun. Continue this for about 1 minute. At the end of this exercise see yourself shrink down to your normal size. Do this exercise two to three times a day for the next week. This exercise should make an immediate difference in your available energy and should also ground you. I will not tell you WHAT you will feel however I guarantee you that you WILL feel the energy within you and passing through you. Many are unable to do this exercise for a full 15 minutes when starting. If you are doing it properly you may need to do it for shorter periods initially. Additionally, to call this exercise a “Grounding” exercise is VERY misleading. Once you begin this exercise you will experience some unusual things that will open an entire new world to you. This results of this exercise actually change based on YOUR NEEDS at the time. |
What Kraig really means is that it is not a good
thing to treat Consecration of tools as an assembly line operation.
This detracts from the working. Each tool or weapon should be reverently Consecrated to its purpose without any distraction of thought. Additionally, especially for those newer to the path, the Magickian should "inflame" themselves specifically for the purpose at hand. This process of a Magickian inflaming themselves should have the SPECIFIC FOCUS AND INTENT of consecrating the tool or weapon to its purpose. I recommend that those newer to the path do NOT Consecrate more than one tool or weapon a day. Instead, they should spend the entire day focusing their intent on the Consecration of ONE specific tool or weapon. In this way the tool or weapon will readily become the extension of the Magickian that it was meant to be and truly represent an implement of Focus for the Magickian's Will. The time of day that the Consecration is performed is not nearly as important as the "state" of the Magickian. If performed first thing in the morning then the Magickian has not had enough time to purify themselves for the working nor had time to reach the proper state of "inflaming". I recommend late afternoon or evening for Consecration operations. Again, this advice is directed for those new on the path. The question asked was "would it be cool to Consecrate half of the tools during the day and half at night." At least that is the way I interpret the question. My answer as to the best time of day is above. The Magickian can do it at either time as long as that time has MEANING for the Magickian. If the intended question was whether it would be cool to Consecrate 1/2 of the tool or weapon during the day and the other 1/2 of it at night, my answer is no, it would not be cool. Humbly, I AM Quote:
Originally Posted by Icosiel I have been doing the LBRP twice a day for a week now, it seems to have had quite a profound positive effect on me, never before have I felt so alive, happy and at peace. Obviously, my next step it to get familiar with the middle pillar. I have heard many things about it's effects such as increasing clairaudiance, clairvoyance, it can cause problems if you're not mentally ready for it etc. Just wondering what advice people have and what they experience from it spirittually, emotionally, mentally. Hey my friend! If you haven't, I would suggest you also incorporate the QC into your LBRP ritual. Additionally, I would not rush to add other things to the LBRP just yet. I usually recommend at least a month or two with doing just the LBRP or the LBRP + QC before adding the MP. ALL are important. But progressing slowly has advantages that are not immediately apparent. Humbly, I AM Quote:
Quote: Originally Posted by Master of the Abyss Sounds like your circle was no good and the entity was able to touch you. This is not a big problem, since you banished it, but you might wish to do a series of banishing rituals over the next couple of days, meditate a bit more than usual and/or emphasize being "pure" in whatever ways you see fit, to purify yourself just in case the entity was able to effect something in the brief time before you banished. I agree with MoTA. Many times these entities will test our Circle and what you felt was that. I do not know how you did your Circle but I fear that you failed in procedure. Banish OFTEN over the next week and DO NOT attempt Evokation of any kind. You should be doing nothing but energy workings to build your energy. Perform the LBRP. You can also perform the following ritual to build energy. I hope this helps. Humbly, I AM |
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Talking Point - The Great Voice
Talking Point - The Great Voice I would like to talk about the Great Voice. I have seen many posts about this subject but have not seen anyone describe how to do a "Great Voice." So, I will share a technique that I use. When uttering the Great Voice it is completely unnecessary to say anything aloud. In fact, I find that this hinders the effort rather than helps it. Others may be more comfortable using vocal sounds. When I use the Great Voice I manifest the vibrations of the words into the great void and FEEL their vibrations resonating throughout the void. Okay, what does that mean? Visualize yourself in a dark universe, stars and all. Make yourself LARGE in this universe. Size does matter! Make yourself LARGER than the Galaxies and your head touching the ceiling of the Universe if you want to. When saying the words FEEL the vibrations of those words within yourself. You should feel these vibrations shaking the internal fabric of your body if possible. Every molecule of your Body should feel the Vibrations. Believe it or not, you will know when the vibrations are correct. When they feel right release them into the void and feel the entire void vibrate with the vibrations you have created. In fact you should feel them echoing throughout the void. If your words "shake" the void then you have done it correctly. Of course, I could just be on drugs... Humbly, I AM |
Talking Point - KNOWING the Magick
I, like many others, started doing my Magick believing that it would
work. I performed Ritual and other Magick using knowledge I had gained
from Grimoires and other Magickal writings. During my first years of Magick my success was limited. At first I could not understand why I sometimes succeeded and other times I failed miserably. I always determined that I must have done something wrong and that this was why the Magick had failed. Sometimes this was true. However, for the greatest part, my failure to perform Magick had nothing to do with how I did it. My failure was in not KNOWING I could. When Magickians first start on their paths they do so believing that Magick is real. Either that or they have become fascinated with some aspect of the Occult. Most start to fulfill some desire while others are just curious. I don't think anyone starts with the intent of performing the "Great Work." What all beginning Magickians have in common is a lack of confidence in their abilities and the understanding of how little they know about Magick. The smartest Magickians NEVER lose their understanding of how little they know. What many have in common is their "Faith" that there must be something to Magick or others would not do it. As a foundational truth I offer the following. Magickians cannot do Magick until they KNOW they can. They can go through the motions, perform fancy Rituals, make pretty Temples, and dress in nice ritual robes but it will make no difference in the effectiveness of their Magick. They can have a mountain of "Faith" and fail. We are told that "if we have FAITH the size of a grain of Mustard seed we can move mountains." I will say that "if we have KNOWING the size of a grain of sand we can move the World." So, how is a Magickian supposed to KNOW they can do Magick if they can't perform Magick successfully to begin with? The answer is simple. Actively practice. By performing the LBRP and other rituals we start to "Feel" the results of our Magickal acts. We can "Feel" the Magick inside ourselves after performing ritual and we KNOW we have been successful. The more we practice, the more we KNOW, because the more we practice, the more we can "Feel" the Magick working within us. Over time this "Feeling" of Magick grows stronger. We KNOW. As we grow in Magick our "Faith" slowly gets replaced with KNOWING. As our KNOWING develops it translates into other parts of our ritual and those rituals start to become more successful. As we have more and more successful rituals we start to KNOW our Magick is working and that we were successful. We did the Magick! Instead of believing in ourselves we KNOW our capabilities. Instead of having "Faith" that the Magick will work we KNOW it will. It is at this point that Magickians can really start to do real Magick. Everything up to this point has been preparation. However, most Magickians never think about the process they have just been through. Most Magickians just KNOW their Magick works. At this point "Faith" is no longer an issue. It no longer exists. It has been replaced with KNOWING. IMHO, as all of us look back we can see elements of this process in our Magickal growth. Often without realizing it our Faith became KNOWING and along with it came consistent Magical Success. Humbly, I AM |
Hey my friend! Some people are comfortable with building their view of the world piece by piece and then defining the sum of the results as the view. I have always been the opposite. I create an umbrella structure into which each new piece of information I receive is fit into this evolving view of the Universe. In this way the structure must, by definition, change if new facts emerge that disagree with it. I have found this to be invaluable in my pursuit of Magick. One of my foundations of learning Magick, and life in general, is the following question that I ask myself. Given that this exists, what must have occured to produce this result? This results in there being no blah. There is only AHA! Some people cannot fit the facts into their world or Magickal view, so they either disregard the facts or force them to fit in ways that are nonsense. That is sad. Yet we see this every day. Humbly, I AM Quote:
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I would not equate Magickal Burnout with an Abyss experience.
In my experience they have no similarity with each other.
Magickal Burnout is where the Magickian loses motivation to go forward, to continue growth. This occurs to us all and occurs MANY times in our growth. It is actually a test of our WILL to persevere and the Magickian that overcomes this only grows stronger. The Abyss experience occurs in all paths as far as I can determine. It is triggered by growth. When the Magickian's growth reaches a certain point the Abyss experience is triggered automatically. While the experience can be triggered intentionally I do NOT recommend this for any Magickian. The Abyss experience results in a complete transformation of the Magickian. When the Magickian SUCCESSFULLY crosses the Abyss they emerge not only strengthened but also destroyed. What they were they no longer are. They lose that which previously had identified them and become something new. The experience is different for each Magickian and terror of the Abyss is also different for each Magickian. That said, the result is the same for ALL Magickians. Ego is destroyed. That and much more. How do you survive the Abyss? Become NOTHING. Only by becoming nothing can the Magickian hope to emerge as EVERYTHING. Humbly, I AM |
The greatest insult to a person is to be
ignored. I have seen this in these Forums and it disturbs
me. Your posts, as well as the posts of many females and other male members, I find intelligent and very worthwhile. If others miss this, then that is their loss. While I do not comment on every post that does not mean that I do not find value in them. The comment about the newbie issue does have some merit. If one goes back to last summer (a year ago) you will remember that newbies almost NEVER posted in the CM Forum or, if they did, they were shot down fairly quickly by the experienced magickians and armchair types. Although many of the moderators did try to stem this it still occured. Newbies used to be flamed constantly. Compare that to today where the majority of the posts are made by newbies and the more experienced Magickians attempt to help. Where flaming rarely occurs. It is the attitude that has changed and not the Forum itself. Again I will say the following. This is YOUR Forum and if it needs changing then YOU need to change it. I say this to ALL members. The attitude that changed in the CM forum was brought about by a few. You too can do this. Did we lose a few members in the CM forum? Yes, but not very many. We lost far more due to the hacking that has occured. Nor am I taking credit for it. It was the concerted efforts of many moderators and members that brought about this change. Should the CM forums and the other Forums change? Of course they should as they should reflect the values of ALL members and not just a few. And I think this is an evolving thing and that the Forums will always change to reflect the membership. This is not meant to be an open license for anarchy. However this is a Forum for ALL members as long as they are respectful of others beliefs and are willing to participate. As long as they do not attack and are open to other's ideas. This is not idealism...it is fact. One issue that exists today is that it is very difficult to respond to every post, PM, and email. I get TONS of PMs and emails and I try to answer all of them. So do many other Magickians. Most of these ask for advice that requires detailed answers. Some are just to say hi! And I welcome and enjoy ALL of them. However, sometimes there is not enough time in the day and, in my case, sometimes my medical condition prevents my response to posts. However, that does not mean that those posts are not valuable or do not have merit. They do. Humbly, I AM |
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However I did feel the need to make a few comments on the more prevalent themes I have noticed. The themes that have emerged are as follows. 1. Penises, the Circumcised Penis, Hygiene, and Pleasure. 2. Breast size and adequacy. 3. Intersexuals. 4. The Cartoon Network. 5. High versus Low Magick 6. The Phallic symbology of the creative current of Magick. 7. The purity and imbalance of Yin and Yang. 8. The Gender of Magick 9. THE REAL TOPIC QUESTION. My comments are as follows: 1. Penises, the Circumcised Penis, Hygiene, and Pleasure. I have never noticed that the fact that I was circumcised affected how I treated women in magick. That would go for my hygiene as well. Since I have always been a solitary magickian I guess that would mean that my relationship with my penis has always been solitary as well. 2. Breast size and adequacy. It is possible that breast size can affect vibratory effects in ritual and I have always considered myself at a disadvantage in ritual because of this. 3. Intersexuals. I am not certain they are more guilty than anyone else of discriminating against women in CM. 4. The Cartoon Network. Frankly, I was unaware that the network or the show in question discriminated against women in CM. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. 5. High versus Low Magick. Personally, I do not hold with any definitions of High and Low magick as I do not think they exist. One name just sounds more impressive than the other. I think that many of us when we first start out like to be impressed with ourselves. Let's compare a Ritual that uses a candle and words with a summoning. Compare "Last night by lighting a Candle and saying the ritual words of a spell I created magick to increase my love life" to "Last night I summoned the Demon Sitri into my midst and Commanded the Demon to increase my love life". Which one sounds more impressive? Hmmmmm....Lighting a Candle...Summoning a Demon? The method does not matter...it is the RESULTS that count. 6. The Phallic symbology of the creative current of Magick. One could equally say that the Circle represented the Vagina. By immersing ourselves in it we provide the seed which gives birth to Magick. And I, who for years have known that I am the Circle, have really been a vagina all this time! Now that is a visual isn't it? 7. The purity and imbalance of Yin and Yang. In many of my posts in the old OF I said that magick was about balance. That is true in many forms. The symbol of Yin and Yang is in perfect BALANCE. What does that say about the importance of both the Female and Male principles in Magick? 8. The Gender of Magick. As Above, So Below contains no references to Gender. As Within, So Without contains no references to Gender. Magick is without Gender and EQUALLY available to all. 9. THE REAL TOPIC QUESTION. Now, what was the original question again? Oh yeah. Discrimination in CM. Well, in this Forum it HAS existed and it is worse I think in other Forums. This area of Magick has been dominated by males for so long that they think that women cannot perform Ceremonial Magick. That is simply NOT TRUE. There are some VERY talented female Ceremonial Magickians both present and past in these Forums. In fact, there are very talented females in ALL paths of Magick all throughout the Forums of OF and other Forums as well. Many of these females are more talented and powerful than many of the males in this forum. The reverse is also true. Many males are more talented powerful than many of the females in this Forum. Discussing this makes about as much sense as discussing virginity among whores...it really is meaningless. Quote:
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The condescending attitude is true as I have noticed it as well. However, as with anything else RESPECT also plays a role. In Magick there actually exists a more equal playing field than in many other areas of life. Either you can do it or you can't. If you are female and you are successful in Magick I guarantee you that you have my respect and, I have noticed, the respect of others. That said, I have noticed that women seem to have to prove themselves BEFORE some will listen to them while men seem to get the benefit of the doubt even if they are idiots. We need to change that. Want to help? If so, then do NOT stand for it. Do NOT accept it. Either confront it or get one of us moderators. While that will NOT stop all of the subtle discrimination it will address a lot of it. Quote:
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Just because an act is mundane does not make it less magickal. When a flower opens its petals we consider it beautiful but mundane. However consider this. Can we make the petals of the flower open by using our WILL? If we cannot then we should ask which magickal power is greater. That of the flower that opens the petals effortlessly or that of the Magickian who fails to make the petals open through the focus of Magickal Will? Which is the greater truth and power; The flower's magick that thwarted the Magickian's Will or the Magickian's belief that the flower was mundane? A child that stands for the first time or that takes its first steps has performed powerful Magick. The child has imposed its WILL on an unwilling and previously uncontrollable vehicle and has brought about its INTENT through an act of WILL. If that is not Magick then what is? You say that pure will requires the absolution of the EGO and go on to say that no one on this site has accomplished this. We need to be careful not to impose our limits on others. Such statements could be considered vain and could be viewed as the EGO emerging. I submit that we cannot judge the Magickal state of another unless we KNOW it. That person that we consider mundane or lacking growth could easily have been a powerful Magickian in a previous life and their growth could actually be far superior to ours. I would also submit that by making this statement one is really saying that they have not yet seen evidence that a person like this exists here on this site. This could be true. Or it could be eyes that cannot see. Who's limits are we talking about here? Again, we must be careful about imposing our limits on others. Quote:
It is true that the EGO and INTELLECT are often the enemies of growth. That said, reading and study are powerful ways to start the breaking down of both EGO and INTELLECT. Failure to study is a failure to act. By your own admission you studied much prior to initiating practice. And, I submit, that study was ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY to bring you to where you are. One cannot sit around and "wait" for enlightenment or Magickal growth to strike them. One has to act. Study, practice, more study, learning, insight, and assistance from others all are necessary to bring the Magickian's growth about. For, in truth, all real knowledge is learned in the Magickal Realms (Astral) and it is there that the most powerful lessons are absorbed. It is that knowledge that we bring to this Physical Reality. Quote:
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I would look within yourself first. Were you centered? Was your mind
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NEED? Crowley once said that we should never lust after the result. He was correct. It is the magick that is important. If the magick is done perfectly the result WILL occur. Perhaps grounding yourself, centering yourself, and not worrying about the result will bring you to where you desire to be. Humbly, I AM Quote:
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First I would like to say that I am Ceremonial and I DO NOT buy
into the preaching, the forced concept of magick, that has been posted by
ONE person in this topic. As I said in my first post (many years ago it now seems) the Magick that Chaos Magickian uses, IMHO, exists within other structured ceremonial paths as well as other magickal paths. Chaos Magickians have removed the dogma and have freed themselves to expand the boundries of Magick and its practice. NOTHING IS REAL and that includes the prisons that bound Chaos Magickians in other Paths. One person has gone on and on about Chaos and reality without ever understanding or STUDYING Chaos Magick. I am equally uncertain whether this person has EVER really actively practiced anything. While I may get flamed for this, I SEE the structure in Chaos Magick. IMO, it is the foundational principle of all Magick. It is based on INTENT, FOCUS, and WILL. That of the Magickian. This is NOT a complicated concept although at least one person desires to make it so. If this is true then this concept is contained in ALL Magick and ALL Paths. Magick does not lead to breakdowns or pyschosis. People do. Either they approach Magick being already unbalanced and the Magick magnifies the problems or they tackle a higher process than they are ready for. In neither of these cases in the Magick at fault. And this issue exists in ALL paths of Magick and even religion as well. How many unbalanced religious people have we known? I submit that there are many. In an earlier post I said that I was both a Ceremonial Magickian and a Chaos Magickian and that I was unable to seperate the two. What I meant by that is that I recognize what I consider to be foundational principles that are contained in Chaos Magick because I use them myself. Humbly, I AM Quote:
Many times in my Magick I HAVE needed money, HAVE done Magick to receive it, and HAVE HAD that money appear in completely bizarre ways that had NOTHING to do with my physical efforts in this reality. Right after I married the first time we desperately needed money. I was in the U.S. Navy and about to go on cruise in 5 days and was in the position where my wife would be left with very little money to take care of her. I did not perform Ceremonial Magick...I performed what I define as Chaos Magick. I performed Magick that required that money be provided to us without death or injury coming to anyone. We had just moved to Virginia. I had moved from Hawaii and she had moved from New Jersey. My household goods had already arrived but hers had not. Two days after I performed my Magick we were informed that her household goods had been destroyed. I later found out that two hours after I performed my Magick her household goods were destroyed in a fire that started INSIDE the moving company's trailer while on the Company's property parked in the parking lot. I was insured for household goods at 100% of replacement value. We got paid $26,000 U.S. Now although it is true that the Law of Unintended Consequences hit me, and that this was NOT how I wanted to get the money, the fact remains that money appeared directly due to the Magick that I had performed. My Magick DIRECTLY affected THIS Physical Reality. Those that would call this coincidence just do not understand Magick. The lessons to be derived from this factual experience is that Magick CAN CHANGE PHYSICAL REALITY and that one has to be very careful to ensure that unintended consequenses are FULLY negated in Magick. Thus, your statement Quote: Originally Posted by Froclown Thus, magick does not make money myseriously appear out of thin air, it makes you motivated to go any and get a job! is false and does not match the REAL experience of others. This statement is not grounded in correct Magickal Theory or Practice but on an incorrect interpretation of Magick. I could provide many other examples but I think this one will do nicely. Your statements are grounded in THIS PHYSICAL REALITY and until your REAL experience allows you to accept the FACT that there is an entire Magickal reality out there that affects this PHSYICAL reality AT WILL then you will never be on the same Magickal level as many who have posted in the topic. Humbly, I AM |
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I freely admit that, under your definition, I am both psychotic and deluded. However, your statement makes me question what you are. You preach incessantly about True Will which was popularized by Crowley. Yet in all of your comments about the capabilities of Magick you ignore many of Crowley's Theorums of Magick. I will list a few. These Theorums I supply are numbered for MY convenience and not in the order that Crowley gave them. The highlights are mine as well. 1.Magick is the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will. 2.Every intentional act is a Magickal act. 3.Every failure proves that one or more requirements of the postulate have not been fulfilled. 4.Man is ignorant of the nature of his own being and powers. Even his idea of his limitations is based on experience of the past, and every step in his progress extends his empire. There is therefore no reason to assign theoretical limits to what he may be, or what he may do. 5.Man is capable of being, and using, anything which he perceives, for everything which he perceives is in a certain sense a part of his being. He may thus subjugate the whole of the Universe of which he is conscious to his individual Will. 6.Every force in the Universe is capable of being transformed into any other kind of force by using suitable means. There is thus an inexhaustible supply of any particular kind of force that we may need. 7.A man may learn to use any force so as to serve any purpose, by taking advantage of the above theorems. 8.He may attract to himself any force of the Universe by making himself a fit receptacle for it, and arranging conditions so that its nature compels it to flow toward him. 9.There is no limit to the extent of the relations of any man with the Universe in essence; for as soon as man makes himself one with any idea the means of measurement cease to exist. But his power to utilize that force is limited by his mental power and capacity, and by the circumstances of his human environment. Crowley clearly understood that there were NO LIMITS TO MAGICK BUT OUR OWN. There are NO limits. Our reality is subject to our Will. Practicing Magickians (You are speaking to many here) KNOW that Magick can change our physical reality. Many here create Sigils for just that purpose. They do other Magick as well. They see their results manifest in this reality all the time. Your laws of Physics are constructs of THIS REALITY and not the Magickal one. Quote:
What you have described is STAGE MAGIC, not true Magick. True Magick is about manifesting our WILL and INTENT in the Astral and Physical. Your comment is typical of “Arm Chair” Magickians. The difference between you and I is the difference between BELIEF and KNOWING. You believe. I KNOW. The gulf that exists between us cannot be crossed in this topic. I will leave you with this tale about an Egyptian Magickian that others may have seen before. This Magickian was obviously deluded and psychotic, either that or the scribe that recorded this event was. If this Magickian could hold back hundreds of tons of water (700 years before Moses) then I don't think a tiny little rock would be a problem, do you? Humbly, I AM Quote:
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Originally posted by LadyHydralisk I absolutely love Crowley, I always will! How could I fault him for the same mistake I made: being too trusting? They always say it's the infernals you have to watch out for. The worst they've done to me is give me physical burns, inadvertantly. On the other hand...these entities...connected to my deck, who are considered to be harbingers of the New Age in many parts of the world almost killed me, purposefully, vindictively, in the most cowardly ways possible, when I refused their goodwill. Not very parental, I assure you. Because you indicated you wish to know more, and because I really have no way of putting into words my own experiences with Horus, let me share with you some more of what I AM wrote. I feel it may be of importance for research purposes. I am sharing this now because I deliberated for days to come to a conclusion: on whether I had the guts to share it or not, in public. Not because I am afraid of repercussions, but because I wanted to be sure it was the right sources telling me to uncover this. So to prologue the story: I am not s***ing you when I tell you that I AM saved my life not two weeks ago. For that I am grateful because he was in great pain, and that pain was extended in order to offer aid to his fellows, instead of finding his reward in the afterlife. On the phone he told me he wanted me to post more because I could get away with saying things he could not. I promised I would return as soon as things slowed down around here (They have NOT, as fun as it is!) I will try to live up to that promise. It is enough to know that when I say the things I say, I mean them in utter seriousness. I do consider the weight behind what am about to say. I AM did not want to be known as a good magician. In fact he would not admit to me that he was an experienced wizard, even after I pestered him about it for months. Other good people, friends of I AM know the story I am about to relate, but I think the facts stand for themselves, without anyone having to relate their perspectives. I say this because I will take on and defeat the FULL force of the backlash, whether from the OTO or any guttersnipes who dare come within five heartbeats of my astral space. I post it, first, because I think the truth cannot be hidden, because I feel outraged at I don't want anyone else involved in the problems. I also think it depicts wizardry at it's finest: the capacity for mercy, humility and reason while at the same time, weilding source-driven power. I am outraged with what happened with the CM library and the OTO temple. I feel compelled to say this. Still, I am closing my eyes and wincing when I hit "Submit Reply"... ;) Ah only the thunderbirds outside my window right now could compel me to endure this kind of torture :P This is one of the more pertinent letters from I AM pertaining to Horus, the OTO etc that I wanted to share. Quote:
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