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Old 10-28-2004, 03:55 PM   #1
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After many dead stints and bored weekends, I finally got off my butt and am back to learning magick.

Anyways, I decided today I want to create a talisman to attract job interviews, opportunities, and offers. I did a tarot reading on it, and found that it is a good idea at this point to do so, and that I should use a Jupiterian influence of some kind.

Now, I'm a bozo when it comes to making effective talismans.

I'm not asking anyone to do this for me, but what are some good areas to look to find proper methods of using planetary squares (or other methods) to make sigils? I've tried before, but I can't seem to figure out how to use the number systems correctly.

Also, say I've finished creating the talisman. What are some good methods of consecration? The only real ideas I have so far is to banish, invoke the right hexgrams, and then umm...(I'm lost after this point).

I'd apprecieate any help in these areas. I'd also love you forever. <3 even...

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I'm not asking anyone to do this for me, but what are some good areas to look to find proper methods of using planetary squares (or other methods) to make sigils? I've tried before, but I can't seem to figure out how to use the number systems correctly.

Also, say I've finished creating the talisman. What are some good methods of consecration? The only real ideas I have so far is to banish, invoke the right hexgrams, and then umm...(I'm lost after this point).

There are many methods for generating sigils for talismans, including kameas and aik bqr, the rose cross and the A.O. Spare method. The Aik Bqr is a method of grouping the Hebrew letters according to similarity of numbers (it is also called the Qabalah of Nine Chambers) - see

http://www.hermeticgoldendawn.org/Documents/Archives/Unveiled.htm

Here's a simple method - convert the name to be used to Hebrew letters and note the values according to the Aik Bqr (for example, Todd is 9,70,4,4). Then go to the Planetary Sqaure you are to use. If any of the numbers in the name are greater than the numbers in the square (i.e. the square of the Sun goes from 1 to 36) reduce that number so that 70 becomes 7. Trace a line joining all the numbers, terminating the line with a small circle, and commencing the line with a small perpendicular line. Numbers that repeat (i.e. the D, D) form a "hump" that looks like a small "W".

Other things to consider adding to a talisman include:

Geomantic figure
Planetary Seal
Planetary Intelligence & Spirit sigil
Sephira name and title
Elemental symbol
Olympic spirit
Astrological symbol
Alchemical symbol
Appropriate colour and shape of talisman

and so on and so forth.

There are certain steps commonly used in magickal ritual, including talisman consecration. Thes following is a basic outline for a talisman -

1. Banishing
2. Purification & consecration
3. Opening of temple
4. Statement of Intent
5. Invocation ( a la Bornless Ritual or similar)
6. Planetary invocation
7. Charge to the spirit
8. Licence to depart
10. Closing the temple
11. Final banishing

The planetary invocation could be a simple hexagram ritual spiced up with invocations from sources such as the Treasure House of Images or similar. The charge to the spirit is the focussing of the invoked energy into the object (i.e. talisman). The ways of "fixing" the energy vary - you could simply pass it through appropriate planetary incense and visualise the talisman "soaking it up", you could charge it using the VIII, IX or XI method (focussing on the intent of the talisman, and many, many other methods. If you wanted to go all out you can consecrate along GD lines by acting as if the talisman is a person and actually conducting it through a full initiation ritual.

Remember, as a symbolic gesture, to cover the talisman in silk or similar natural fabric prior to banishing at the end! And then, the hardest part - forget about it! Avoid lust of result.

I hope this has been of some help - limited for time tonight, so the post is quite sketchy.

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Ooh, ooh, let's talk more about talismans. I just began reading Making Talismans by Nick Farrell this morning and thought it was a nice synchronicity to see a thread started about an introduction to general talismanic magick.

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Wow, fiat lux! Thanks, that is a lot of info. I'll put it all to good use, and let you guys know how the consecration and charging goes when I do it.
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Speaking of talismans, do you think that a mechanism consisting of two talismans, one solar and one
lunar, can be used generally as per solve/coagulate ? With all the alchemical symbolism/background to back it up of course. Although I suspect that they won't probably work efficiently as 'universal'.
But I`m beginning to see how my alchemical background can be expressed in my current CM practises.
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Hi Defgraden!

this is a great coincidence as I have just ended one jupiter talisman and am currently planning to create a second next week.

1. The Farrell book is very helpful in general and practical talisman design.
2. I'd strongly suggest also creating a planetary flashing tablet for jupiter before you make the talisman. It will be very useful.
3. I discovered that evoking and communicating your intent to the archangel of jupiter/chesed very very helpful. Ask the archangel to communicate your desire to the divine name EL and to command all the orders below him to carry out this wish. Do this at least before you consecrate, but you may also summon during the consecration ceremony as part of the charging.
4. This time, I am preceeding the construction with a weeks worth of tree meditations on jupiter (using the symbol) and chesed. I am doing a royal blue
MP as well. This is to saturate my consiousness with Jupiter energy.
5. I feel the additon of a personal sigil is very important to the working.

Lets keep in touch as we each do this!
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The ways of "fixing" the energy vary - you could simply pass it through appropriate planetary incense and visualise the talisman "soaking it up", you could charge it using the VIII, IX or XI method (focussing on the intent of the talisman,

Could you please be so kind and give some reference to where one might read more about the "VIII, IX, XI" methods?

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If you can get it, Regardie wrote a great little book on creating talismans (can't remember its name right now!).

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I could - but I may get into trouble with the OTO as details of these are central to their inner teachings! Suffice to say that all three are forms of sex magick - VIII = solo, IX = couple, XI = homosexual. Here's a very simplified form of VIII magick - create a talisman for a specific purpose. Hold the sigil in mind that captures the essence of that which you wish to achieve whilst masturbating. At the moment of orgasm the sigil is sent to the void (orgasm being a brief glimpse of samadhi/void) and is then removed from conscious thought. Think of it as impreganting an astral thoughtform (the sigil visualised), and the resulting birth being the achievement of stated intention. Of course, there are lots of complex methods utilised, but this is a basic outline (You may be interested in "Secrets of Western Sex Magic" by Frater U.D.).

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Suffice to say that all three are forms of sex magick - VIII = solo, IX = couple, XI = homosexual.
Oh, you meant the OTO-grades.

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Hold the sigil in mind that captures the essence of that which you wish to achieve whilst masturbating.
Ah the chaos-magick charging! Do you smear the resulting fluids on the talisman, or would that have no effect?

Should one do this masturbatory part within, say, a banishing ritual, or can you just fire it off anytime when you're in the mood for masturbation?

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If you can get it, Regardie wrote a great little book on creating talismans (can't remember its name right now!).

Would that perhaps be the one with the deliberately misleading title of, "How to Make and Use Talismans"?

It seems to be out of print at the moment, but apparently published by Aquarian Publishing Company, 1972, 0850300924 and also by Sterling Publishing, 1983, 0850302099.
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There is also a large chapter in Regardie's Golden Dawn (I have the New Falcon edition) which covers talisman making, although I'm very intrigued by that book.
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Talismans? That's easy! Do a hammer banishing, invoke the appropriate gods by their appropriate kennings (I always like to include a kenning for Odin), rist the appropriate runes (or create a bindrune), load the runes with your blood... oops! Wrong paradigm! You CM guys still use blood don't you?

Well, there's my blood-soaked two cents.
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Talismans? That's easy! Do a hammer banishing, invoke the appropriate gods by their appropriate kennings (I always like to include a kenning for Odin), rist the appropriate runes (or create a bindrune), load the runes with your blood... oops! Wrong paradigm! You CM guys still use blood don't you?

Well, there's my blood-soaked two cents.
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Yeah, but a bit meatier. Heh.
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Ah the chaos-magick charging! Do you smear the resulting fluids on the talisman, or would that have no effect?

Yeah, I annoint the talisman with the charged fluids.

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Should one do this masturbatory part within, say, a banishing ritual, or can you just fire it off anytime when you're in the mood for masturbation?

An interesting question...I don't see any particular reason why you couldn't do it anytime, although the particular preparations of an actual ritual may help to focus the intent.

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Would that perhaps be the one with the deliberately misleading title of, "How to Make and Use Talismans"

That's the one! I haven't seen it for years, but I seem to recall that it was quite helpful in creating talismans.

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I often use blood or sexual fluids in ritual to give things a bit more "pep"

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OK. So I finally got off my butt and constructed the friggin talisman, and did a "Rehearsal" charging. I did change a few things though.

Firstly, it wasn't Jupiterian, I changed it to Sol/Tipharetic in nature. I did that because it just didn't feel right with Jupiter, so I pulled one Tarot card and got the 6 of disks. 6 being the number of Tiphareth, and disks being that of Earth, material nature, which was very very well suited to the nature of the intent. I also looked up some references in "Modern Magick" DMK's book, and his had vey similar suggestions, so I took that as being on the right track.

I made the talisman out of a poker chip and construction paper. I painted the chip yellow, used a sharpie pen to draw the sign for Sol, and one for Leo, then glued on black construction paper on each side, and drew some sigils, some stuff etc etc etc.

As for the ritual. I just followed a basic outline (thanks Todd)

1.Banished with LBRP,
2. Invoking ritual of hexagram (I felt it appropriate to start with this)
3. Purified and consecrated
4. Opened the temple with some knocks and a simple oath.
5. Declared my statement of intent

6.Drew the invoking hexagrams for Sol (geez there's so many of them!!) in each quarter

7.Read a chapter from "Treasure house of images" that Crowley Pathworking book. (read the one with Leo)

8. Envisioned the hexagrams coming alive and just sorta like energy flowing into the talisman while I was reading that passage.

9. Made a ad-lib call to Raphael to help accomplish my will and to imbue the talisman with his energy and spirit.

10. Gave liscence to depart, closed temple, BRH, then LBRP.




That's basically it. Though it started out as a rehearsal, I ended up getting really into it while doing it. The parts I got sorta confused were the calls to the spirits, and to Raphael. I wasn't sure what to say or do, so I just sorta made something up. I don't have much of a pattern to work with. Are there any prescribed invocations for these things? I'm so lost.

But anyway, the ritual felt somewhat satisfying at least.
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Dear defgarden,

Sounds pretty good to me - a few things you may wish to consider -

Generally it is more efficacious to purify and consecrate and open the temple before the invoking hexagrams - it's a matter of temple preparation prior to calling in the planetary forces.

Rather than using all the regular hexagrams for Sol, you could just use the one unicursal hexagram of Sol.

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The parts I got sorta confused were the calls to the spirits, and to Raphael. I wasn't sure what to say or do, so I just sorta made something up. I don't have much of a pattern to work with

This is the best way!!! As A.C. says "Invoke with a pure heart" - an invocation from the heart, even if it is somewhat stumbling the first few times, has much more potential than merely repeating the words of another.

Sounds like you did a great job - now the hard part - forget about it! Don't let lust of result short-circuit your efforts.

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Rather than using all the regular hexagrams for Sol, you could just use the one unicursal hexagram of Sol.

The unicursal hexagram is sooo much easier, but I prefer the old school style hexagrams and since I want to keep things uniform I have to use them for Sol as well. Oh well...

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This is the best way!!! As A.C. says "Invoke with a pure heart" - an invocation from the heart, even if it is somewhat stumbling the first few times, has much more potential than merely repeating the words of another.

I agree 100%. It is much more powerful to use your own words. I often come up with a basic outline of what I am going to say and base it off a classic text. Then as I perform it I start with the words I planned on and then allow myself to flow with the energy of the ritual and let the words spill out of me as they will with the ones that just come to me. Seems to cover my bases in case I get tongue tied.

Yes it sounds like you did a good job. Simple and neat. I like it.
Things to think about next time you could try adding the sigils of the spirit and intellegences of Sol or maybe olympian sigils....

Also this just be me but I always like to combine planetary energy from the hexagram ritual with a layer from the ToL. Use a very good MP and then pull the energy through Tiphareth into the item. Just adds an additional layer and kicks the entire ritual up a notch. Just an idea.
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Generally it is more efficacious to purify and consecrate and open the temple before the invoking hexagrams - it's a matter of temple preparation prior to calling in the planetary forces.


Heh, I'll keep that in mind.

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Rather than using all the regular hexagrams for Sol, you could just use the one unicursal hexagram of Sol.


Oh geez. That way just seems so much easier. Unicursals even look better to me anyway. I don't know how to differentiate a unicursal hex of sol to one of say Mars though, but I can look around.


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Yea, while what I said did seem powerful, I just wish I had a little more to say I guess.

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Forget what? Hah. Yea, definately the hard part, but the energies are already going with me, as opportunities are presenting themselves. I already got two interviews lined up! The real real hard part is getting through those!
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Thanks for the ideas Nero, I did use the planetary intelligence and spirit for Sol on it.

I'll keep that idea with the MP in mind.
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Whoa, you get such immediate results? I was told by someone (whom I do trust a lot) that kabalistic talismans take months or years to manifest (which would explain why NONE of mine has manifested - it is yet to come. )
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It's not really a long term desired effect, so I don't know. All that has manifested so far are opportunities. The real work is nailing the interviews I do get.

I had an interview today, but I'm not so sure I even want the job haha. I have a big interview next week for a county agricultural inspector position I really really want to nail. That's going to be my focus. That is the real magickal test I suppose.
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If your intent was "get job interviews" then it's perfect. If your intent was "get a job" then we have yet to see results. If your intent was "get an amazingly interesting job with a high salary" then I guess it might take a little while. For you, perhaps up to a week. Other might have to wait longer for manifestations.
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I don't know how to differentiate a unicursal hex of sol to one of say Mars though, but I can look around.

Here you go - banishing on left, invoking on right -

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If your intent was "get job interviews" then it's perfect. If your intent was "get a job" then we have yet to see results. If your intent was "get an amazingly interesting job with a high salary" then I guess it might take a little while. For you, perhaps up to a week. Other might have to wait longer for manifestations.


I can only hope the the energy and time I devote to nailing my next interview will be the desired effect. I can only hope as much without jinxing myself. I better shut up now. hah.

Fiat Lux, that diagram is perfect. I'm saving it now for later reference.
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I 'm really not sure, but wasn't the Unicursla hexagram like this:
Upper Point: Sol
Lower point: Luna
The other 4 points: The elements
(This was the golden dawn attribution, why would the attributions of a symbol change?0),

so that the Sol unicursal hexagram would begin from the upper point going deosil and the banishing widdershins?
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I 'm really not sure, but wasn't the Unicursla hexagram like this:
Upper Point: Sol
Lower point: Luna
The other 4 points: The elements

The hexagram is not attributed to the elements - it is attributed to the planets and follows the same basic layout of the Tree of Life as shown below -



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However, in the second edition of MAGICK: LIBER ABA by Crowley, in the editorial notes, page 774, editorial note #336, the attributions of the Unicursal Hexagram are elemental + Sol and Luna .
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Are you talking about the hexagrams of the BRH rather than the unicursal hexagrams used in planetary ritual?

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I am currently in the planning stage for a jupiter tailsmen I am working on.

I was just wondering if we could get some follow up on results from Defgarden?
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