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02-07-2005, 11:44 PM |
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Lust For Result
I've been wondering about this "lust for result"
with goetic magick.
1. In one sense "lust for
result" will interfere with the energies we send to
manifest our desire.
2. Another thought is, if I
sent someone to buy me a piece of cake and he/she agreed
to do it, then go about their business within specified
time agreed, they'll go get it for me no matter if I
think about it or not.
Which of the two of these
is true? why?
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02-08-2005, 01:04 AM |
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My experience has been it's a touch of both. One
doesn't have to really forget all about the working
because if it has been a successful summoning and it's
within the abilities of the spirit, it will surely
manifest.
However, having obssessive "lust for
result" type thoughts can certainly make it more
difficult for the spirit--a little like sending someone
on an errand and constantly bugging them with phonecalls
every 2 minutes. but the main problem with "lust for
result" is that it tends to make a magician feel rather
miserable about his magick instead of confident. so it's
just not a good attitude to foster in general, even
though my experience is that goetic spirits can and will
work around poor mental habits
eventually.
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02-08-2005, 02:07 AM |
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you'll notice that when you become
omnipotent when you have the power to have anything
you want or do anything you want or change anything
you want about the world
you'll find that it's
quite perfect the way it is
this is acting
without lust of result
more, when it comes
to changing things it is a matter of changing
something within yourself lust inhibits the surrender
required to transform
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02-08-2005, 02:30 AM |
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Phamphage has an interesting point with the example
he gives with the phone calls.
If you ask a
spirit to do your wish, you should let the spirit do his
work. But if you stress all the time and make phone
calls and think of it how it should be, then you will
try to do more then the spirit. You have to believe
in your magic cause otherwise it wont be effective.
The best thing to do is not to think of it and
just let it go, you will see that it will have his
effect in a time. It can be one day or it can be one
year, but it will
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02-09-2005, 12:05 PM |
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Based upon my own experience, the "lust for
results" question is fluid depending upon what "style"
of work I am doing; Goetic work, creating a servitor,
charging a talisman, ad infinitum. Within a Goetic
context, I try to intensify my "lust for result" during
the operation - letting it 'peak' and then letting it go
when the ritual is completed. As a magician, I think
it's imperative that I operate under the assumption that
the spirit will do what I asked, that my ritual will
work and that lingering doubt is pointless. For
extremely important things, I don't like to leave much
to chance. There are a few spirits that I always
get good results from, I will evoke them and my past
success rate cements my confidence in the
operation.
Even so-called "positive" (i.e., this
ritual is so going to work) thoughts can have the
opposite effect if/when any lingering doubts and
skepticism start to creep in. After writing my
experience down in my diary, I actively try to direct my
attention elsewhere.
Alkhemia
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