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kirk88 07-23-2004 02:53 AM

Class Course: Necromancy
 
Ok, I guess I'm here again, hopefully this thread wont be deleted by another hacker attack, but I'll be saving all the lessons this time.



Ok, now these are the classes people that will be going through, remember register as soon as possible to get the classes that you want.



Class Course:
- What A Necromancer is?
- Meeting Your Ancestral Spirits
- Controlling Spirit Influences
- Obtaining a Divinatory Spirit
- Working With Divinatory Spirit
- Summoning Spirits of the Dead
- Advanced Summonings
- Obtaining A Working Spirit
- Working with an Operative Spirit
- Releasing the Dead
- Writing the Silent Dead and other ways of working with the Dead
- Moving your Spirit
- Potions, Incenses, and Formulas For Necromancy Ritual Use
- Charms and talismans
- Sciomancy
- Gods, Spirits, and Entities that calls back the Dead (Use with Caution)
- Last Lesson: Resurrection Ideas and Methods
We will also talk about holding Séances and Tarot Divination


- Chance Lesson- Ancient Techniques of sealing Spirits



Now, I'll be going over other things like exercises, and such. Through these class lessons I'll be using my personal experience and old or out of print books to teach these courses.



I'll be teaching these courses on 7/24/04. Hopefully I'll see you guys in the classroom...



Good Luck, registering...


benhunt7 07-23-2004 03:01 AM

This Dude Is Cool!

Aodh 07-23-2004 03:56 AM

WHy not.

Lord Cthulhu 07-23-2004 04:19 AM

How does one register and where are the classes?

kirk88 07-23-2004 04:44 AM

The classes are here, and you've already registered Lord Cthulhu. Since you've joined this occult forum you are able to discuss anything that you want in my new thread... :mrgreen:



Isn't that exciting, also you'll be able to listen to me babble about absolutely nothing through this long ass thread... :-P

(Of course I'm joking, I'll be showing pictures and such in my thread of necromancy and I'll be explaining techniques and procedures.)

JRJ26 07-23-2004 05:00 AM

so you're a Necromancer?(sorry, I'm just having visions of my days of Diablo and other RPGs, no offense :)). How long has you been practicing, if you don't mind me asking? Also, you'll be showing pics of your workings?

kirk88 07-23-2004 05:20 AM

My grandfather taught me some stuff and the rest I learned from books and people. I've been a necromancer for a while now. I'll be showing pictures from books, temples, altars, and such when I get into a section where I'll show you examples. I couldn’t find my web cam so, I can't really show you my altar where I worship my ancestral spirits.
I practice the Witch of Endors way of necromancy, but I do use other ways and methods.

Kinjo 07-23-2004 06:47 AM

It is great to have a contributor like you Kirk.

kirk88 07-23-2004 07:02 AM

Thank you for your kind words. :cry:

benhunt7 07-23-2004 01:48 PM

remember, hes cool, lol

Nero 07-23-2004 02:14 PM

Kirk, maybe I am jumping the gun but I had some questions from the first time you attempted this class.

What are the risks to the spirits you work with? I am concerned that working with these spirits may distract and bind them to this plane and keep them from moving on. Will we be doing unknown damage to dear old granddad?

Also I was curious how set in stone this alter was. Obviously you need something for the spirit to latch onto but does it have to be an alter? Could you use an object such as a urn, similer to the brass container in the Goeita?

kollision 07-23-2004 03:59 PM

Thx again Kirk, you have resurrected the Necromancy Class! Thank you soo much, I have missed it!

kirk88 07-24-2004 06:31 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nero
Kirk, maybe I am jumping the gun but I had some questions from the first time you attempted this class.



What are the risks to the spirits you work with? I am concerned that working with these spirits may distract and bind them to this plane and keep them from moving on. Will we be doing unknown damage to dear old granddad?

Also I was curious how set in stone this alter was. Obviously you need something for the spirit to latch onto but does it have to be an alter? Could you use an object such as a urn, similer to the brass container in the Goeita?




Are there any risks to the spirits that your work with?

(Yes and no, when dealing with necromantic practices, you tend to attract a lot of spirits/ghosts/ect. towards you, some spirits that you'll be facing mostly during practices will be trickster spirits. But, they can be banished easily with several methods like powders, incense, chants, and such.



I did have a person ask me if he could be able to use banishing techniques near your ancestral shrine to get rid of the trickster spirits because you'll be mostly facing them there. I have not used banishing near my ancestral shrine due to fear of losing or hurting my ancestral spirits, so I cannot comment on this, but I due suggest that you don't do this...)



While calling your ancestral spirits to your shrine, does this bind them to the material plane and what about this Altar?

(No, your ancestral spirits are able to leave the shrine and travel the spirit realm and such. This is how they'll give you information on what's happening, but they usually don't discuss things like this with you all the time. Your shrine is not just a connection spot, it’s is their resting place, shelter, and the place where they eat. I hope that clears things up.)


kirk88 07-25-2004 12:55 AM

Ok everyone, this is how it goes:

When I say "Class has Started" I require everyone to stop posting on this thread until I say "Class has Ended."

This is how I can organize my stuff...

I want to thank everyone who's been making my thread special by viewing and posting on it and I ask everyone to enjoy then selves on it by asking me questions or whatever.

Just remember my rules... :)

kirk88 07-25-2004 01:19 AM

Class Session: History of the Witch of Endor
 
Class Session: History of the Witch Of Endor


Necromancy, according to a dictionary definition, relates not the "pretended
art of divination through communication with the dead." It is often confused
in the public mind with Nigermancy, the art of divination through the ancient
Egyptian method of scrying in black-colored water or a black bowl with water in it. Both are considered to be forms of divination, thus the suffix "mancy." Necro is the Latin word for "dead," while Niger means, "black." I feel that when Negromancy or Nigermancy is used it means the blackest art in necromancy or the negative side of it. Necromancy is most common to people as a form of black magick but it really isn't. It's just like magick, it is neutral in nature, but people have placed it in a category. But, the category of black magick in necromancy is truly black magick. Sometimes if people might put magick in category under black magick that part of nature is truly black and you will not find light. If you've seen or read about infernal necromancy or other types necromancy of the darker side you would see that you are defying a higher power or calling a part of magick that shouldn't be called upon. Well, since we got that over with, we will continue the lesson.

The best know incident of necromancy in the Christian world is the case of the Witch of Endor, which is sited in the Christian bible. This woman was often referred as a witch, but certainly the woman was not a witch. As the entire incident of King Saul working with her deals in the practice of necromancy and witches are not necromancers to say at the least. Witches, ceremonialist, shamans, and other practices can also practice necromancy if they wish; it's not just only for necromancers. The incident is found at I Samuel 28: 7-25 in
the King James translation of the Bible. We will look at this example in some
detail and see just what it was that the Women of Endor did for Saul.

In verse 7, King Saul decides to consult a woman who had a familiar spirit, in
other words, a necromancer. Saul asked his servants to seek out a woman who had
a familiar spirit, so that he could visit her and consult with her. We must make
note at this point that King Saul’s decision to visit a woman who had a
familiar spirit was directly in opposition to the bible based on the legal code
of ancient Israel, which, according to Leviticus 20:27, states that any man or
women who had a familiar spirit should be put to death by stoning.

In I Samuel 28:8, King Saul disguised himself and went to visit the women at
night. This brings up curious points students. NECROMANCERS CANNOT MAKE HOUSE CALLS, EVEN TO THE PALACES OF KINGS. Their spirits are fixed in a particular physical location, and moving a spirit from one location to another is always, at best, a difficult and complex task, but I'll be going over how to perform such tasks later on. The practice of Necromancy requires that practitioners have a stable, fixed to a physical location. In this time and age, this usually means you have a house from which you and your spirit operate. It can take six months to process of moving the spirits from one place to another.

King Saul knew that he would have to visit the necromancer. Even though he was a
King of his nation, he prepared to humble himself to visit the women who had a
familiar spirit to gain information from her.

The king put on a disguise and went by night, so that no one except those in his
party would know that he was consulting a necromancer. Verse 9 indicates that
King Saul had proclaimed a law, following the Biblical law of Leviticus 20:27,
which forbad the practice of Necromancy. We should notice that the woman with
the familiar spirit was not anxious to break the law. The practice of various,
forms of divination and magick are frequently forbidden by various governments
which came into power from time to time. These arts are always forbidden by any
religion, which does not monopolize them. The practice of the arts cannot really
be forbidden; usually real practitioners are rarely discovered.

In those times when the practices of divination and magick is most firmly
prohibited, the clients of those who secretly practiced these arts usually drawn
from higher ranking members of the same government that has forbidden them. It
is never necessary for necromancers, or for any other magicians, to work with
particular client, or to work any client at all. Just as the Woman of Endor tried to dissuade King Saul, necromancers or magicians can and should turn away any potential client who may come to them to avoid breaking either the civil or the criminal law of their nation. The practitioners need never place themselves in jeopardy by accepting work from any client, who will probley turn against them in the long run. Thus, the Woman of Endor would have been better off if she would have refused her services to King Saul.

The practice of Necromancy is usually a very private affair. Necromancers, like
any other real practitioners of magick do not require any clients. Clients are
always, at best, a luxury for them. So, if anybody comes up to you and asks you
to summon up a dead relative or something it's best to look away, but it's
your choice or not if you want to help that person out or not like the Woman of
Endor. Note that the penalty for practicing necromancy in the time of King Saul
was death, as called for in Leviticus 20:27. The Woman of Endor said, "Why
then are you laying a snare for my life to cause me to die”? In the Hebrew
text King Saul instructed his servants find a women who had an Oboth. An Oboth.
Necromancy is practiced with instruments like any other practice; the equipment
of a Necromancer is called an Oboth. Later on we shall examine these instrument
that the Woman of Endor used and how she used it.

An Oboth is a familiar spirit; an Oboth has the ability to contact the dead. If
you read verse 13, you will see that it was the woman who, at first, could see
the effects of her summoning. In verse 14, however, King Saul sees the spirit of Samuel himself. In his own way, King Saul became an active participant in the act of divination. I'm now finished in the history of the Witch of Endor.

Class Session Ends: The History of the Witch of Endor
Book Used: The Catholic Bible and Communing with the Spirits


kirk88 07-25-2004 01:33 AM

Saul and the Witch of Endor

1526
Oil on panel, 88,3 x 123 cm
Rijksmuseum, Amsterdam



Seventeenth-century artists often made remarkable use of the contrast between foreground and background. A small image in the background provided the key to the meaning of the principal scene. Among those who employed this device were Pieter Aertsen and Joachim Beuckelaer. An early example is found in this painting by Jacob Cornelisz van Oostsanen, Saul and the Witch of Endor, in which several episodes from the biblical story are depicted in a simultaneous narrative, while the clue to the scene is hidden in the distance. In order to unravel this puzzling picture one has to be familiar with the Old Testament story found in the first book of Samuel, especially chapters 28 and 31, which relates that Saul, the first king of the people of Israel, was counseled by the priest Samuel for many years. Eventually, though, Saul rejected him and began acting in defiance of God's commands, whereupon God charged Samuel with the task of finding a new king for Israel. The choice fell on David, but Saul refused to accept him. He was confronted with mounting difficulties, one of which was a disastrous war with the Philistines. Just before the decisive battle, Saul decided to consult a fortune-teller to seek the advice of the dead Samuel. On the far left, Saul and several of his men arrive to consult the witch, with the tents of Saul's army in the background. The sorceress, half naked and seated in a magic circle, summons a witches' sabbath. This foreground scene does not come from the Bible, although the latter does refer to the witch's magical arts. Witches flying through the skies on a ram, like the one in the right background, were a symbol of the devil in the late middle ages, and it was with their help that the witch could harness secret forces. Through the gateway in the centre one sees Samuel emerging from his grave, rebuking Saul for disturbing the repose of the dead. In the distance is the real key to the meaning of the picture: the battle that Saul lost, after which he committed suicide by falling on his sword. Saul's godless desire to know the future, which led him to disturb the dead, proved fatal.




Ashnook 07-25-2004 01:51 AM

I would like to add that the infernal necromancy that kirk talked about wasnt really around until Agrippa wrote it in his books for plablisity. The operations (which were extremley gorey and horrific) were made popular by Dee and Kelley. Then other writers in the middle ages ran with that theme.

kirk88 07-25-2004 02:19 AM

Excellent background Ashnook, but I would like to note that there were other ways of infernal necromancy. Roger Bacon a practitioner of necromancy and mysticism died during the age of faith by the church. He was also practitioner the dark arts of necromancy.

In a book that he wrote, he went through steps of the procedures of infernal necromancy and the ritual process of it. During the process of the work he wrote down notes and such on what he was doing and the conclusion of the ritual, which was quit successful.



kollision 07-25-2004 07:39 AM

Thx kirk88, I remember this lesson from before.

benhunt7 07-25-2004 07:57 AM

thanks kirk, u the man

kirk88 07-25-2004 09:47 AM

Thank you Benhunt, Kollision I'm happy that you remember this lesson; Ashnook was so kind to e-mail me some of the posts that I did in the original class lessons.

SpoonBender 07-25-2004 04:37 PM

So if necromancy being the calling forth and using of the dead, could it be said that many different forms of magickal evocation/summoning have necromantic elements? Or is it that the necromancer calls forth his 'personal' spirits to work w/ which separates nec. from other magick practices? Is necromancy a common practice in Voodoo?

kirk88 07-26-2004 01:10 AM

1.) Yes, yes, and yes, you are able to use evocation with spirits of the dead, there is a spirit in Goetia that is able to use necromantic ability and a spirit in necrocomicon, as well as in some other grimoires. But, I would not suggest you use them in communicating with the dead as they could manipulate the dead.

2.) Personal spirit/Oboth, so yes, we call forth this entity to help us summon forth a spirit of the departed.

3.) Necromancy is common with the Vodou religion, as they use their ancestral spirits in some of their workings.



kirk88 07-26-2004 01:26 AM

Also, I want to let everyone know that the next class session will be Wednesday.

PlanesWalker 07-26-2004 02:28 AM

edited for stupidity :oops:

kirk88 07-26-2004 02:54 AM

The first class session is "The History of the Witch of Endor" it's at the beginning of the thread.

kirk88 07-29-2004 07:58 AM

Ok, "class has began," you know the deal... ;-)

kirk88 07-30-2004 02:19 AM

Class Lesson: What A Necromancer Is
 
We will be discussing the aspects of a necromancer now, but I want people to know that during the ancestral part of the lesson you cannot turn back. You will end up paying homage to your ancestral spirits and if you stop paying homage it could turn out for the worst in your part. So if anyone of you can't pay homage to your ancestral on a regular basis then you should stop now!

In the world of the occult we will
know that there are other people working with
the spirit world not just necromancers. Mediums are one thing were going to be
discussing, mediums are people that all of us basically know about, they are the
ones that are being used by a spirit to communicate with other people. It is a
practice, which should not be attempted from curiosity alone. In some cases
passing a spirit as a medium can be physically as well as psychically damaging
to the person attempting to do so. True, mediums are usually very passive
people. They are usually able to step outside of themselves easily. These
are the kind of people who are difficult to train as necromancers. Necromancers
are usually aggressive by nature, and are often very domineering people.
Necromancers must always avoid allowing themselves to be used in any way by a
spirit, which is exactly what a trance medium does.

A necromancer is a human being who is essentially going into business with a
spirit, or a number of spirits like a ceremonial magician does. The spirits and
the necromancer both obtain benefits from the business partnership that they
enter. They are each working to assist the other in a particular way, and they
must always develop between themselves the friendship and trust which such a
close business relationship requires.

Now, before we attempt any work with spirits of the dead, whether as a member of
a magical-religious practice or as a private necromancer, you must first review
your own natural talents and inclinations. If you have talents in seeing the
dead or even communicating with them then that is great, if you don't then it
is going to be hard, but I'll make sure that through these practices that you
will start seeing them in no time. Self-examination and an objective knowledge
of the self are primary characteristics of any form of magical training. Now,
some people will say if you don't possess the ability to see the dead then you
are wasting your time, this is simply not true the only requirements in the
practice of necromancy is your ability of divination. Now I’m going to list
some of the characteristics of those who successfully work with the dead are
listed below. Review these characteristics and compare them to your knowledge of
your self.

- Do you find a Quija board easy to use?
- Do you obtain accurate information from it?
- Have you had spirits of the dead speak to you?
- Have you seen spirits of the dead?
- Do you accept death as apart of life?
- Do you feel comfortable around dead bodies?
- Do you have a macabre sense of humor?
- Are you undisturbed when you see someone who has a serious injury or a
terminal disease?
- Are you indifferent to minor cuts and scrapes on your own body?

If any of you have these characteristics, then you are a natural necromancer.
But, I want all of you to know that necromancy is a practice that anyone can
learn, like witchcraft isn't practiced by only natural witches. You just need
self-control and self-discipline for success in any field.

Class Session, "What is a Necromancer" has ended.


phoenixstorm 07-30-2004 10:51 AM

i have a question, perhaps this is the wrong time to ask it but here i go if it is i appologize. You mention the ouija board and its use as a skill, i have a wierd thing where the planchetes fly off the board if i come near. my friends used them all the time if i tried it it wouldnt work well or at all and if i walked by the room they were in the planchette would fly off the end. Is this something bad, strange or somewhat normal.

Darkfay 07-30-2004 06:07 PM

So basically, a Necromancer does not believe in reincarnation. Otherwise, how can I call upon the spirit of the dead? Does it dissociate itself from the current physical body?

And oh, could someone make this a sticky topic pls?

Ashnook 07-30-2004 06:44 PM

Darkfay, yes Necromancers (for the most part) believe in reincarnation. You dont get immediently reincarnated. The lessons will talk a little bit more about reincarnation later.

dmitri 07-30-2004 10:02 PM

Yes, the reincarnation process could possibly take 70-300 years for the spirit to travel through the appropriate planes and realms before it's rejuvinated enough to come back down to the physical plane and take on a new shell. Can't remember where I read that, but it does make sense, especially if you've AP'd before.

kirk88 07-31-2004 01:33 AM

Yes, I'll go over reincarnations and the dangers of necromancy to the spirit, but that'll be later on.

Also thank you Ashnook, for helping out...

kirk88 08-01-2004 03:34 AM

Hey everyone, I'll be having my next class lesson this Wednesday. Thank you guys for participating and your posts are greatly appreciated. :D

Lycus Prometheus 08-01-2004 07:15 AM

I look forward to it as I am throughly enjoying this class, but I do have a question. As things are introduced in this class and you begin to reveal your rituals and practises, would you consider it safe to start doing them right away or wait until you finish teaching the class in its entirty?

Keep up the excellent work.

kirk88 08-01-2004 07:28 AM

That's a good question and thank you for that nice comment; I'm mostly teaching the lesson step by step. I'll be teaching on how to make a shrine for your ancestors and I'll be going over step by step on how to accomplish the ritual and the out come you should get. But when I go over a ritual or necromancy working, I'll be posting the sites that you should go to for the items that I listed. But, there will be some items that I'll mention that will be very difficult to get your hands on.

If anything you should follow everything step by step and don't just go to the spells and rituals.

kollision 08-01-2004 03:25 PM

Lycus,

I would say that your READ and I emphasize read before performing anything. Read over a couple of times, dont do things right away. It would be better to familiarize yourself with his teachings as well as with other peoples teachings before even starting to commit to application.

Kirk,

Are you the only Necro on this board? Thanks for the lessons again!

kirk88 08-01-2004 11:38 PM

I really don't know if I'm the only necro on this board, but I know that Dakini knew several stuff in necromancy, but I don't think that she's here anymore.

SatsUrn 08-02-2004 01:08 AM

Thank You kirk88 for taking the time to share your knowledge here. Thanks! The Black Magickian, I think Pope Honerius (Liber Juratus) may have given necro negative connotations?

kollision 08-02-2004 01:56 AM

Hes not a black magician...like he said before, thats Nigermancy.


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