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A Change In The Room!
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Deckard
wrote: I began training in CM about six months
ago. I have put steady effort into the LBRP and MP
rituals, of which I have become quite confident.
Scrying, Astral Projection and The Third Eye have
been dismal failures. It seems no amount of effort
will achieve any results here. I decided to
proceed to evocation anyway. Three weeks ago
attempted to summon Orobas. Although I was not
able to feel (let alone see) that spirits presence
I continued the ceremony by asking for a specific
favor, imagined a favorable reply, imagined a
small price to honor the spirits name (which would
be obliged after I got my request), license to
depart, banishing. The allotted time passed with
no result. I have tried twice more with that same
spirit to know avail. Earlier posts suggest the
use of a trained scryer. This is impossible as I
am solo with limited resources.
When I first started
getting into CM I was afraid of the spirits
themselves. I have become convinced that they are
not what the major religions want us to think they
are. While, what I don’t know about them could
fill an ocean basin, I am sure that they are part
of the natural universe. I am inclined to believe
they are tools for us to profit by spiritually and
in the physical. Perhaps they have independent
existence, so they in turn might be able to profit
by us also. But I am not afraid of them because
they do for us/take from us what we allow them to.
I am ready!
I am
trying to reach the point in an evocation where
the “atmosphere in the room suddenly collapses” as
the spirit’s presents is felt. I believe this is
the barrier to success for myself as well as many
others. My question is for those who have
conquered this aspect. How did you do it (if you
are even aware how)? What experiences brought you
to this specific point? What would you
recommend?
I have
begun thinking of this in relation to the first
time I had sex while in high school. I did it
later than most of my friends even though girls
have always been attracted to me. I was scared in
an intangible way. I even passed up girls I had a
crush on only to see them settle for my friends
and acquaintances. But my point is; when I finally
got that first ‘conquest under my belt’ so to
speak, suddenly I knew two things! The next time
would be for us to enjoy, not to prove anything.
Secondly, I would have no problem ever acting on
an opportunity again, if I desired.
I must reiterate that I
have read and reread virtually all of these posts.
It is possible I have missed something but feel it
unlikely. There is so much valuable information
that now exists is one place. The work of the
members of this forum, especially senior members
and moderators is unequalled anywhere on the net.
In fact, I think this forum is gaining momentum
with a few of the more recent posts as well as the
push to assemble a bigger library.
If any
of you are reserved about posting a sensitive
reply feel free to pm me.
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Quote:
Ashnook wrote: No sensitive replies here. The first
time that you dont expect anything to happen is
when it will. When you let go of your expectations
you will know that you have summoned the creature.
I will not tell you to "look" for certain signs
that the spirit is there, just preform the ritual
and then at one point or another you WILL feel its
presence. Also, try other spirits, maybe Orobas
just doesnt want to come to you. I cant help you
with any specifics about this spirit, I mostly
work with entities from the simon necronomicon.
Dont go into the mind set to look for signs that
the spirit is there, KNOW THAT THE SPIRIT IS
THERE. Then it WILL hit you and will be the most
amazing feeling that is utterly undiscribable.
Hope this helps. _________________ All you can do
if follow thine self.
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Ekron wrote: You are probably still putting up
'barriers' at a subconscious level a bit like you
did with sex the first time. Fear in whatever form
is our biggist enemy.
Try and
free the mind, relax and use your WILL power. As
Ashnook says "KNOW THAT THE SPIRIT IS
THERE". _________________ Be nice to
everyone on your way to the top because you pass
them all on the way down.
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Quote:
Goetiagirl wrote: I have to agree here with the
original poster, I have been evoking for more than
a year and have not 'felt' anything...I am a very
literal minded visual person and need that
prop...but something odd did happen on my last
evocation. It was while I was looking at the
mirror...I felt myself almost falling asleep and
not because I was sleepy...I hadn't been staring
that long at the mirror and suddenly my eyes did
not want to stay open...I wonder can anyone tell
me if I was perhaps going into trance? It seemed
no matter how hard I tried to focus (even though
scrying is unfocused) I began to see images in the
mirror but not an actual shape...just my own
appearance changing. Can anyone advise what this
might have been? I've been workign with Zepar and
Orobas and neither has manifested in any way...I
would appreciate any advice. Thanks. Also can
anyone give me their ideas of 'smoke' herbs...are
they good bad or whatnot? Thanks.
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Quote:
WrathfulSpatula wrote:
I'd think about it
this way: the demon is aware of its seal
and the effort you put into the ritual. Whether it
tried to manifest to you obviously or not, whether
you sensed it or not, it was there, at least to
some degree, and knew full-well what you were
doing. First of all, you need to trust that the
demon is there, even it's not paying particular
attention, and that it can respond to you.
Some people feel ridiculous doing
something like this, but if a thought appears in
your head seemingly in reply to something you've
said or done during the summoning, even if you
think it was just a subconsciously-driven reaction
on your part, treat that as the demon. Take up a
conversation with it. Get to know it a bit, even
though you're not sure that's the demon. Then,
when and if you seem to be getting along with the
thing, ask it for a slightly more obvious
manifestion. Don't ask for something physical or
complex when you're just starting out, but maybe
ask if it can help you get a glimpse of its form
in your mind's eye (don't be discouraged if it's
not clear and/or the classical form of the demon),
or if it can do anything to make its aura more
obvious for you. Realize it could very well all be
in your head, but do all you can to suspend your
disbelief while you're talking to the demon.
Though it seemed to be working, and I was
learning from my "demons", even if they were all
in my head, I wasn't convinced that I'd
necessarily ever really contacted a single "true"
demon until one day when I was out for a walk and
having a conversation with Buer. We were
discussing metaphysics--specifically, a particular
theory of mine I've been working on with a couple
friends for the past several years--and he made a
point that blew a hole in my arguement that I'd
never even begun to consider. I had been over this
thing a thousand times, and realized there were
some weak points in it, but he wasn't even
concerned with the ones I'd noticed; he made a
point that, while not changing the final outcome
of the theory, totally changed its structure.
Thinking about that comment he made later on, a
number of short conversations I'd had with him in
the past suddenly made infinitely more sense.
That's when I knew for sure.
Even if you
feel like you're just playing into yourself, if
you do it long enough, you will hold
conversation with these things, and you may even
realize they were there from the get-go. Just
trust me, you'll have your break-through
experience if you convince yourself that they're
there. _________________ All roads lead to
Om.
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Quote:
Master of the Abyss wrote:
IMHO as a sort of
experienced evoker, the no. 1 reason for failed
evocations is that people instinctively shy away
from performing the ritual a really powerful way.
You need to put a lot more energy into the whole
issue to wipe away the barriers that are stopping
people from evoking stuff all over the place, and
are currently stopping you. These barriers wear
down with time, but if they are there at the
moment, adress that issue and squish them.
On the outside, this can mean doing
the ritual in a good setting (I like caves and
abandoned industrial plants best for demon work,
but a well-equipped temple or average forest will
do - all deep in the night of course), with lots
of tools that get you in the mood (massive clouds
of incense, robe, beautiful circle and triangle,
whatever makes you tick). On the inside, try to
prepare yourself by fasting, bathing and periods
of long and deep trances (such as excessive
prayer) shortly before the ritual. Do not smoke
pot when you evoke a demon (not on the first
couple of attempts at least): it will make the
visualisation and calling a lot easier, but the
control aspect a lot harder. I don't think
meditation before the ritual is a very good idea
(trance works better for me), but your mileage may
vary.
Most of all, absolutely do get into
your paradigm. I.e. know that the spirit is
there, but also know that you are embodying
divine authority, know that demons exist
and that they have plagued mankind since they fell
- hell, even know that Solomon himself
wrote the Goetia! Of
course, this is the crucial part, and the tricky
one. A simple measure that can help with this is
to do a whole series of banishing/centering
rituals before the ritual, reinforcing both your
circle and your paradigm. (Also, don't
underestimate the value of goetic conjurations and
the "bornless ritual".) This last bit is what is
mostly a matter of experience, but a beginner can
do it just as well if he just invests more time
and effort in preparation and paraphernalia.
This is just one way of doing it, of
course.
_________________ Greetings,
powerful magician. Did you know over 27000 people
are dying from starvation today?
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Quote:
Ashnook
wrote: I MUST agree with master on this, it is
crucial that you put your mind set into the
cermony. You dont wear a robe and carry around a
sword with sigils and ancient languages on it
during the average mundane day (at least most
people dont lol). Put your energy into everything,
dont just throw on your robe, while putting on
your robe begin to feel ethrel. Fell you physical
and mundane self disapear, imagine that you are
only a glowing figure of pure energy. Come up with
a name to use in magick, something that defines
your magickal self. Also, big point, even if you
fell that the spirit has not come to you or that
it is gone...YOU MUST DO YOUR BANISHING RITUALS.
Do them with all your might and energy, whether
you think that the spirit came or
not. _________________ All you can do
if follow thine self.
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Quote:
Goetiagirl
wrote: Hi again thanks for the replies. I have
gotten lots of good info from you guys. I am going
to try another evocation as I gave Zepar a
deadline of May 17...but from speaking to others I
am getting the impression that while somethign did
show up it might not have been zepar. Anyone out
there have dealings with him and what he normally
brings with him? I've heard he's pretty
boisterous...though I'm guessing that might not be
the same for everyone what are your thoughts?
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Quote:
Deckard wrote: Thank you for your replies. So far
you have given me some good insight.
Am I correct in assuming that in
earlier attempts I was telling myself what I
wanted to hear?
Quote:
Ashnook wrote:Don't go into
the mind set to look for signs that the spirit
is there, KNOW THAT THE SPIRIT IS THERE. Then it
WILL hit you and will be the most amazing
feeling that is utterly undiscribable. Hope this
helps.
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I am hoping once that feeling hits
me, I will be able to communicate with it in some
meaningful way and work with it.
Quote:
Ashnook wrote:Come up with a
name to use in magick, something that defines
your magickal self.
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This is something I have not done
yet.
Master of the Abyss, You have
some great ideas. Not all are possible right now
but they will be filed away for future use.
WrathfulSpatula, Your reply seems like
good advice. I wonder though, do you undertake
many operations in a non ritual setting? Also you
sort of questioned the 'reality' of your
relationship with Buer untill that walk. Was he
considerably more at your service after that
incident? Have you used him for
healing?
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Quote:
I
AM wrote:
Quote:
Master of the Abyss
wrote:IMHO as a sort
of experienced evoker, the no. 1 reason for
failed evocations is that people instinctively
shy away from performing the ritual a really
powerful way. You need to put a lot more energy
into the whole issue to wipe away the barriers
that are stopping people from evoking stuff all
over the place, and are currently stopping you.
These barriers wear down with time, but if they
are there at the moment, adress that issue and
squish them.
On the outside, this can
mean doing the ritual in a good setting (I like
caves and abandoned industrial plants best for
demon work, but a well-equipped temple or
average forest will do - all deep in the night
of course), with lots of tools that get you in
the mood (massive clouds of incense, robe,
beautiful circle and triangle, whatever makes
you tick). On the inside, try to prepare
yourself by fasting, bathing and periods of long
and deep trances (such as excessive prayer)
shortly before the ritual. Do not smoke pot when
you evoke a demon (not on the first couple of
attempts at least): it will make the
visualisation and calling a lot easier, but the
control aspect a lot harder. I don't think
meditation before the ritual is a very good idea
(trance works better for me), but your mileage
may vary.
Most of all, absolutely do get
into your paradigm. I.e. know that the
spirit is there, but also know that you
are embodying divine authority, know that
demons exist and that they have plagued mankind
since they fell - hell, even know that
Solomon himself wrote the Goetia! Of course, this
is the crucial part, and the tricky one. A
simple measure that can help with this is to do
a whole series of banishing/centering rituals
before the ritual, reinforcing both your circle
and your paradigm. (Also, don't underestimate
the value of goetic conjurations and the
"bornless ritual".) This last bit is what is
mostly a matter of experience, but a beginner
can do it just as well if he just invests more
time and effort in preparation and
paraphernalia.
This is just one way of
doing it, of course
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Master of The Abyss has said almost
all of what I would have said. And VERY well too.
I would emphasize some of his points again.
1.
...know that
you are embodying divine authority. You are a God. 2. ...know that demons
exist. 3.
...do a whole series of banishing/centering
rituals before the ritual, reinforcing both your
circle and your paradigm. Do these Banishings afterwards as
well. 4.
...don't underestimate the value of goetic
conjurations. 5. ...try to prepare yourself
by fasting, bathing and periods of long and deep
trances (such as excessive prayer) shortly before
the ritual. 6. ...doing the ritual in a good
setting. 7.
...a beginner can do it just as well if he just
invests more time and effort in preparation and
paraphernalia. 8. ...the no. 1 reason for failed
evocations is that people instinctively shy away
from performing the ritual a really powerful way.
Remember, you are Divine
and a Warrior.
I will add to these powerful
statements that you must KNOW that your conjuring
will be successful. You are a Warrior. Perform the
Ritual with courage.
Do not expect to get the answer in the
way you talk to a human. You may hear a voice in
your head. You may SEE your answer. Additionally,
do not assume that if the entity does not appear
to you visably that you have failed. Most likely
YOU HAVE NOT.
The collapsing atmosphere is best
brought about by fully embracing your Divinity
within. Knowing you are a God. The more you are
aware of this the more success you will have.
At least that has been my experience. This not
only adds to the power of the experience but will
allow you to SEE and HEAR more as well.
Again, Master of The Abyss has answered
superbly.
Humbly, I
AM _________________ All paths lead to the
same place, but some walkers of the path take
longer to get there.
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11-03-2004, 02:29 AM |
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These are an awesome set of posts I hope everyone
seriously considering infernal evocation pauses to
review these and contemplate them. Oh but one more
thing, incense, candles and a special kind of tool known
as a "spirit light" can aid in your senses. Not
necessarily a change in the room, but helpful if your
skin is a bit thick.
A spirit light is an oil
lamp, where the oil is infused with magical herbs, and
colloidal gold, plants such as chamomile will do
fine.
__________________
This
so-called universe Appears as a juggling, A
picture show. To be happy, look upon it so.
-
Bhairava (Fierce aspect of Siva)
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