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Old 10-31-2004, 12:21 AM   #1
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Tonight I am going to perform a conjuration of a spirit located in this book.This is my first time. What will I need? Im pretty sure I got everything but always like to double check.
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Old 10-31-2004, 12:29 AM   #2
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I think instead of checking for tools, you should check yourself. Are you everything you need? Do you magickally have everything you need?
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Old 10-31-2004, 12:30 AM   #3
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I'd reread the book a few more times if I were you.

Can you detail your Magickal Evolution? You know, the books you've read, years of experience, whether you've performed past Evokations of this sort in the past and if you have, which girmoires you've used, etc.

Give us the raw-deal, share with us the details so we know better how to advise you in such matters.
Alright, thanks!

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Hey there Alpha&Omega,

In everything I have ever gone on to undertake, I have found confidence to be The Key. This, too, was my late father's advice to me when I was a teenager. I have found that one can walk very dangerous paths other people do not go if one has confidence. Unlike courage, confidence takes time to develop rather than opportunity to employ.

Thoughts you may wish to consider.

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Old 10-31-2004, 02:46 AM   #5
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I have just started in studying magic and Crowley books are the first books I have read.I have just about a week ago started to Read Magick without tears and is on about page 70 I have the books Libel 777, Magick without Tears, The Tao Teh King, Liber THE EQUINOX Vol. No.ASCII VERSION,The book of Law,and Book of Lies. But some I have not even looked at. I have mastered dream recall and ever since a little child I have deja vu alot. And thats about it Thanks
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Old 10-31-2004, 03:23 AM   #6
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To put it bluntly, your not ready.

To put it another way, what your attempting to do is like trying to fly a 747 jumbo jet after reading a few books on the Wright brothers, and building a rubberband powered model airplane.

It's time for you to practice the basics.
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Old 10-31-2004, 04:56 AM   #7
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Tonight I am going to perform a conjuration of a spirit located in this book.This is my first time. What will I need?

Got your tuna can lid and your rubber skeleton?

Maybe I shouldn't have said that, but frankly I now have great difficulty treating you seriously, A&O. Five days ago you were asking the most basic questions. That's OK. Everyone starts from some point. But now you think you're ready to start evoking.

Have you bothered to actually read any of the responses people have taken the time to give you? Have you bothered to actually read any of the reams of stuff on here concerning evocation?

What will you need? Hmmm... perhaps a clue would be useful?

But wait a minute. If you do this and Belial doesn't pop up in your bedroom to grant you the ability to shoot fireballs from your eyes, will you give up and go away?

If so, off you jolly well go, matey. But make sure you've got a stick... "just in case".
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Old 10-31-2004, 06:44 AM   #8
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I must agree with the nay-sayers above. If everything you have posted on the forums is true then you are not ready.

You have been asking the most basic of questions which shows you have no experience. Goetic evocation really requires a highly experienced practitioner and that's not you.

You really need to know yourself pretty well too, prior to undertaking this sort of work. This doesn't seem to be you either as you have publicly gone from a "Beginner Necromancer" trying to choose between summoning an "Indian" and summoning an ancestor, to a student of Aleister Crowley, to a conjuror of demons for the purposes of revenge... all in under a month!!!

You also need a good reason to perform this operation, and you've admitted your real motive is to "get back at someone". You are far more likely to do yourself damage than your target if you try to perform any ritual with that attitude in combination with your lack of experience.

I mean no offence, I'm just advising as I think is correct and in keeping with your Introduction post where you asked for "some advice and guideance to what i should and shouldnt do." Still... if you go ahead with the summoning and manage to crawl back to your keyboard afterwards, let us know how it went

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Thank you all for the great advice. It has helped me understand myself a lot more.
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Well, if you're going to do it anyway, make sure to banish afterward. Even if you don't think anything happened.
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Old 10-31-2004, 11:53 AM   #11
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I don't like to admit this; in voice to the posts above, but I am in agreeance with these individuals as well.

I am glad to hear that you've started out by reading Crowley, this is a *very* crucial thing to do, as far as I am concerned; for the fact that Crow writes in a way which debases much of the Occult "Lore" and tells it like it is...this in itself paves the way for higher understanding.
I commend you on this interest.

As far as Summing the Goetic Entities go...what a few above have already mentioned: that you must know yourself a bit more, is too, a VERY crucial step in regards to developing the power of your Will and Occult Gnosis.
I'd recommend practising a few basis Ceremonial Rituals before moving on to the Goetia, such as: The Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram (perform daily), Liber Resh, The Middle Pillar exercise (for visualization and chakra-work related purposes...which is essential), and then move on to "Liber Samekh".

Move gently with these Rituals, and do not rush them...There is a danger to those who are welcomed to The Light too quickly(this danger is hallucination or hysteria); it is a gentle process...you will know when at certain times it would be in your best interests to move forward, or to slow down.

Once you have gained a basic grounding in these Rituals, I would then study the Elemental attributions in relation to one another; the symbolism at each Quarter (or Cardinal Direction), this work I would undertake by reading Crowley's Magnum Opus "Magick: Book 4" if you already haven't.

Once you have gained solid ground in this way, I would read about the basic history of the Enochian Language, how it was derived, by who, in what era...just to gain familiar ground; and THEN I would download Aleister Crowley's vocalizations of the Enochian Keys, you may find these available on a filesharing network of any sort...I would do this to gain a familiarity with the language, and practise the first Call/Key in a way mimicing Crowley's own vocalization.

Then, my friend, after reading the Goetia yet another time (to make sure that you have every essential and important Tool prepared for the Ritual which you wish to undertake), THEN, I believe you will be ready to undertake such an Operation.

And...I say this for your protection: Do NOT perform a "bullying" stunt on someone that you don't like, simply because they did something "mean" to you...only perform such an action if your life is in jeopardy, if they are attempting to Seriously end your life, than; in this instance, the goal is not to play around, but to obliterate them at all costs.
Do not perform rituals which fuel the Ego; this in itself is a willed act of illusion...if you gain money from an operation, make sure it benefits you spiritually, and thence removes a part of the Ego from yourself permanently.

Remember to BANISH!

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Old 10-31-2004, 06:13 PM   #12
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...you've admitted your real motive is to "get back at someone".
I'm sorry I'd missed the thread where A&O explained what his interest in the occult, Crowley etc. is really about.

Tell me, A&O, why haven't you just got a gun and shot this person who has annoyed you? Where you live, that shouldn't be too difficult a task.

Despite some evidence to the contrary, I suspect you haven't done that because you're not completely stupid and you realise such an act would have serious consequences. Perhaps you think the most important of those is someone shoving a needle in your arm while you're strapped to a gurney with a bunch of very unsympathetic people as an audience. Given that you're on OF, perhaps you also believe that such an act of violence would have serious non-mundane consequences.

Why do you appear to believe that the psychic/magick/whatever equivalent of trying to shoot this person is something you can do easily and with impunity? Do you really think you can attack someone and not suffer any consequences? (Right: that's the prompt for a bunch of bad-ass Satanists - and wannabees - to materialise and say you can. Believe them if you want. Your call.)

I suggest you consider whether you can reframe the problem. Is there a way to use what you can learn on OF, from Crowley etc to stop whatever you don't like affecting you as it is? An example that comes immediately to mind: if someone is bullying you, is there some way to make him just stop noticing you?
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Old 10-31-2004, 06:51 PM   #13
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Every so often, posts of this type come up.......rather than cut and paste the same thing over and over, I've condensed it into three words - "Learn or burn"

If you start posting on the evils of sugar, or that you are the earthly incarnation of Set, then we can assume the latter to be the case

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Old 10-31-2004, 09:26 PM   #14
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Well when I first posted a few of these threads I did not know anything about magic nothing.But all my life I wanted to learn magic and finally have the oppurtunity to do so.But i really didnt know where to start so went around the internet and found a lot of spells but i was sure that you couldnt just follow the instruction and something big could happen Well hell then every body would be casting spells on everybody am i wrong?Finally I came upon OF and looked around the website for about a week and thought I could get a lot of good advice and could learn in general. So I stayed. About the person I wanted to hurt,I realized that he wasnt worth something bad to me and somewhat forgave him.But what I did do was when I saw him told him I was casting spells on him (which I am not) Through the grape vine he is a little hysterical. I am now noticing that you must learn to swim before you can surf.
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Old 11-01-2004, 12:10 AM   #15
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Friend, I am glad to hear that you're progressing and becoming a stronger person as a result of such previous experience...BUT

...What exactly did this guy do to make you even consider casting a spell on him in the first place?
I wish to understand your situation a little better.
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Serious Magick; my friend, concerns the Annihilation of the Ego. The Ego, if you weren't already aware, is a composite of every emotion which further seeks to lead us away from the Spiritual Path of gaining Gnosis and Insight.
In your experience above, I would assume that you felt emotions of anger, and/or hate towards this guy (possibly still do)- seek to harness these emotions, and Still them.
This is Magick-to attain control of your mind.
These sudden and almost immediate instances in which we feel ourselves diverging from the Spiritual Path; these are the moments in which to remain cautious, to do what you must to Still them, to master them and gain control over them.

This should be your immediate goal, not to (as you've now realized), cast a spell on him; or throw the Black Souls of Hades upon him.

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Another topic worthy of discussion: Don't reveal your interest in Magick, that is, unless you wish to keep people (around you) "on their toes", and due to ignorance of the subject, look down on you as an individual.
An aire of Subtlety is *very* important, not just in War, but in Life as well. To be unseen, to maneuvar right through the crowd as if you were just like them...to not be as them, to pass through undetected.

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A Word of Caution: due to the continual rise in "Wicca" practicioners in high schools nowadays, you may meet a series of individuals that don't know what they're talking about when it comes to Magick-you may piss someone off by doing something as simple as not saying hello in the hallway when you pass them on your way to biology, or talking shit behind a friend's back-and they may become distempered, they may try to throw things against you for the hell of it.
And, at times, when you enter a new environment; and someone who is also a Magickian may wish to throw something at you (because they know you're a Witch) just to see how you can tackle what they've thrown at you...to see what level you're at.
Trust me G, these bitches have some serious teen-angst, and as a result, you will be a victim of their little "power trips".
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Another thing i'd advise against, is to say something like you've casted a spell on someone (even if you didn't). Once again, you have ruined the element of surprise.
And...let me posit a question:

What happens, if, in a few days he gets in a car crash and dies?
What happens when a few of his friends that are dear to him hear that *you* casted a spell on him a few days ago? They will hold YOU responsible, believing that you did it (that is, if they are not adept enough to trace the link) and will retaliate against you as a result.
And, chances are, there are individuals that know of more dangerous forms of Ceremonial Magick than these "spells" you're getting off of the internet.

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Well the reason i want this person hurt and tormented is because he is a doctor and my grandmother was in a local supermarket and was hit in the head by a box or something heavy on a shelf hit her on the head and damaged her body bad and lead to not being to get around because of the pain she was like 88 and people that old not being to get around usally lose a lot of years of life which what happened she had a good court case and she was to get some kind of physical to see the damaged done and you know old people they talk to much tricked her and pressured her into saying she asked me and my brother to get a ham out the back of the car and we said no and she got it out herself which never happened. Which screwed up the case and left what medicare couldnt cover for my grandmother to pay. And I want payback on that doctor. I Have currently moved though and I am tryin to move on and forget that stuff I was in Alexandria,Louisiana so what ever down ther i dont really care about. That is why i rushed into all that summoning demon stuff ut I did not realizr the way and the concept of magic.
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With regards to the summoning of Goetic "demons" I would advise that you seriously consider what it is you are going to do and I IMPLORE you not to summon them out of curiosity (especially if you were a cat once upon a time)

You must treat them with the utmost respect as you yourself would wish to be treated and there are many factors which being new you may overlook in your inexperience. Like summoning them into a triangle but imposing an "uncomfortable" restraining energy upon it... that would be disrespectful and quite bad for you if you were to upset your guest in such a manner.

As stated above by many I would slow your role before attempting such a feat and make sure you are fully armed with the knowledge to deal with such a situation should it manifest.

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Thank you AT for your advice but I have reconsidered summoning for a while.
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You always gain experience from a screwed up summoning. I did lol!
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Fluxer what happened to make your summoning go wrong?
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Every so often, posts of this type come up.......rather than cut and paste the same thing over and over, I've condensed it into three words - "Learn or burn"

If you start posting on the evils of sugar, or that you are the earthly incarnation of Set, then we can assume the latter to be the case

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Wow Todd, at first I thought that was a little harsh but the more I have thought about it the more I agree. We should have that written across the top of the CM forum.

That what does not kill you, only makes you goofy in the head.............
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Dear Nero,

Yeah, it sounds harsh, but actually isn't - the best way to learn is through mistakes! I think it was Rupert Murdoch (or maybe Kerry Packer) who summed up their attitude to life with "Always bite off more than you can chew, then chew like hell!" A great motto, IMO

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I believe the best course of action would be to read up on healing spells/techniques/rituals for your grandmother. Forget the summoning for now until you have studied more and practiced some basices, like the LBRP. You could actually ask an archangel to look after your grandmother from now on. That would work too. Best of luck either way.
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Old 11-05-2004, 07:30 AM   #25
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this is weird cuz just a few days ago i was looking at a simple spell for that sorta thing, a spell to the Old Ones, . i did have some success with this one i used against this drug dealer who really wanted to f*^k me up, but i got some back lash from the ordeal too. Anyways i can get that technique typed out for ya, and proceed 2 your own risk, and my wire and needle technique can do alot of damage too, but ill send the first one. also a friend of mines used a ritual called " the Haunting ", on some people and when it was over they were terrified to go into their own apartment. im not sure if its the best thing to do, but what you do with the information is your biz..
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Baz, may you send me these Rituals through the Private Messaging feature?
I'm open to study.
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I was drunk and took no precuations. I had little will to control or fight. The demon did attack for 3 days thoe, so it was a very quick learning experience.
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Fluxer) Now, that's just weird. Which demon was that, and how did he attack you? And why? Did you treat him badly? Do you do any regular banishings, or have you done in the past?
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