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10-28-2004, 03:55 PM |
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Talisman Design and Consecration
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Hello all
93
After many dead stints
and bored weekends, I finally got off my butt and am
back to learning magick.
Anyways, I decided
today I want to create a talisman to attract job
interviews, opportunities, and offers. I did a tarot
reading on it, and found that it is a good idea at this
point to do so, and that I should use a Jupiterian
influence of some kind.
Now, I'm a bozo when it
comes to making effective talismans.
I'm not
asking anyone to do this for me, but what are some good
areas to look to find proper methods of using planetary
squares (or other methods) to make sigils? I've tried
before, but I can't seem to figure out how to use the
number systems correctly.
Also, say I've
finished creating the talisman. What are some good
methods of consecration? The only real ideas I have so
far is to banish, invoke the right hexgrams, and then
umm...(I'm lost after this point).
I'd
apprecieate any help in these areas. I'd also love you
forever. <3 even...
93
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10-28-2004, 07:18 PM |
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93 Dear Defgarden
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Originally Posted by
Defgarden
I'm not asking
anyone to do this for me, but what are some good
areas to look to find proper methods of using
planetary squares (or other methods) to make
sigils? I've tried before, but I can't seem to
figure out how to use the number systems
correctly.
Also, say I've finished
creating the talisman. What are some good methods
of consecration? The only real ideas I have so far
is to banish, invoke the right hexgrams, and then
umm...(I'm lost after this point).
| There are many
methods for generating sigils for talismans, including
kameas and aik bqr, the rose cross and the A.O. Spare
method. The Aik Bqr is a method of grouping the Hebrew
letters according to similarity of numbers (it is also
called the Qabalah of Nine Chambers) - see http://www.hermeticgoldendawn.org/Documents/Archives/Unveiled.htmHere's
a simple method - convert the name to be used to Hebrew
letters and note the values according to the Aik Bqr
(for example, Todd is 9,70,4,4). Then go to the
Planetary Sqaure you are to use. If any of the numbers
in the name are greater than the numbers in the square
(i.e. the square of the Sun goes from 1 to 36) reduce
that number so that 70 becomes 7. Trace a line joining
all the numbers, terminating the line with a small
circle, and commencing the line with a small
perpendicular line. Numbers that repeat (i.e. the D, D)
form a "hump" that looks like a small "W". Other
things to consider adding to a talisman
include: Geomantic figure Planetary
Seal Planetary Intelligence & Spirit
sigil Sephira name and title Elemental
symbol Olympic spirit Astrological
symbol Alchemical symbol Appropriate colour and
shape of talisman and so on and so
forth. There are certain steps commonly used in
magickal ritual, including talisman consecration. Thes
following is a basic outline for a talisman - 1.
Banishing 2. Purification & consecration 3.
Opening of temple 4. Statement of Intent 5.
Invocation ( a la Bornless Ritual or similar) 6.
Planetary invocation 7. Charge to the spirit 8.
Licence to depart 10. Closing the temple 11. Final
banishing The planetary invocation could be a
simple hexagram ritual spiced up with invocations from
sources such as the Treasure House of Images or similar.
The charge to the spirit is the focussing of the invoked
energy into the object (i.e. talisman). The ways of
"fixing" the energy vary - you could simply pass it
through appropriate planetary incense and visualise the
talisman "soaking it up", you could charge it using the
VIII, IX or XI method (focussing on the intent of the
talisman, and many, many other methods. If you wanted to
go all out you can consecrate along GD lines by acting
as if the talisman is a person and actually conducting
it through a full initiation ritual. Remember, as
a symbolic gesture, to cover the talisman in silk or
similar natural fabric prior to banishing at the end!
And then, the hardest part - forget about it! Avoid lust
of result. I hope this has been of some help -
limited for time tonight, so the post is quite
sketchy. 93 93/93 Todd |
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Ooh, ooh, let's talk more about talismans. I just
began reading Making Talismans by Nick Farrell
this morning and thought it was a nice synchronicity to
see a thread started about an introduction to general
talismanic magick.
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Wow, fiat lux! Thanks, that is a lot of info. I'll
put it all to good use, and let you guys know how the
consecration and charging goes when I do it. 
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Speaking of talismans, do you think that a
mechanism consisting of two talismans, one solar and
one lunar, can be used generally as per
solve/coagulate ? With all the alchemical
symbolism/background to back it up of course. Although I
suspect that they won't probably work efficiently as
'universal'. But I`m beginning to see how my
alchemical background can be expressed in my current CM
practises.
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Hi Defgraden!
this is a great coincidence as
I have just ended one jupiter talisman and am currently
planning to create a second next week.
1. The
Farrell book is very helpful in general and practical
talisman design. 2. I'd strongly suggest also
creating a planetary flashing tablet for jupiter before
you make the talisman. It will be very
useful. 3. I discovered that evoking and
communicating your intent to the archangel of
jupiter/chesed very very helpful. Ask the archangel to
communicate your desire to the divine name EL and to
command all the orders below him to carry out this wish.
Do this at least before you consecrate, but you may also
summon during the consecration ceremony as part of the
charging. 4. This time, I am preceeding the
construction with a weeks worth of tree meditations on
jupiter (using the symbol) and chesed. I am doing a
royal blue MP as well. This is to saturate my
consiousness with Jupiter energy. 5. I feel the
additon of a personal sigil is very important to the
working.
Lets keep in touch as we each do
this!
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Quote:
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The ways of
"fixing" the energy vary - you could simply pass
it through appropriate planetary incense and
visualise the talisman "soaking it up", you could
charge it using the VIII, IX or XI method
(focussing on the intent of the talisman,
| Could you
please be so kind and give some reference to where one
might read more about the "VIII, IX, XI"
methods? /Grab
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93 If you can get it, Regardie wrote a great
little book on creating talismans (can't remember its
name right now!).
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Could
you please be so kind and give some reference to
where one might read more about the "VIII, IX, XI"
methods? | I could
- but I may get into trouble with the OTO as details of
these are central to their inner teachings!  Suffice to say that all three are forms of sex
magick - VIII = solo, IX = couple, XI = homosexual.
Here's a very simplified form of VIII magick - create a
talisman for a specific purpose. Hold the sigil in mind
that captures the essence of that which you wish to
achieve whilst masturbating. At the moment of orgasm the
sigil is sent to the void (orgasm being a brief glimpse
of samadhi/void) and is then removed from conscious
thought. Think of it as impreganting an astral
thoughtform (the sigil visualised), and the resulting
birth being the achievement of stated intention. Of
course, there are lots of complex methods utilised, but
this is a basic outline (You may be interested in
"Secrets of Western Sex Magic" by Frater
U.D.). 93 93/93 Todd |
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Suffice to say
that all three are forms of sex magick - VIII =
solo, IX = couple, XI =
homosexual. | Oh, you
meant the OTO-grades.
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Hold
the sigil in mind that captures the essence of
that which you wish to achieve whilst
masturbating. | Ah the
chaos-magick charging! Do you smear the resulting fluids
on the talisman, or would that have no
effect? Should one do this masturbatory part
within, say, a banishing ritual, or can you just fire it
off anytime when you're in the mood for
masturbation? /Grab
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If you can get it,
Regardie wrote a great little book on creating
talismans (can't remember its name right
now!). | Would
that perhaps be the one with the deliberately misleading
title of, "How to Make and Use Talismans"? It seems to be out of print at the
moment, but apparently published by Aquarian Publishing
Company, 1972, 0850300924 and also by Sterling
Publishing, 1983, 0850302099.
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There is also a large chapter in Regardie's Golden
Dawn (I have the New Falcon edition) which covers
talisman making, although I'm very intrigued by that
book.
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Talismans? That's easy! Do a hammer banishing,
invoke the appropriate gods by their appropriate
kennings (I always like to include a kenning for Odin),
rist the appropriate runes (or create a bindrune), load
the runes with your blood... oops! Wrong paradigm! You
CM guys still use blood don't you?
Well, there's
my blood-soaked two cents.
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Talismans? That's
easy! Do a hammer banishing, invoke the
appropriate gods by their appropriate kennings (I
always like to include a kenning for Odin), rist
the appropriate runes (or create a bindrune), load
the runes with your blood... oops! Wrong paradigm!
You CM guys still use blood don't
you?
Well, there's my blood-soaked two
cents. | Blood tastes
like metal.
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Blood tastes like
metal. | Yeah,
but a bit meatier. Heh. 
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Ah
the chaos-magick charging! Do you smear the
resulting fluids on the talisman, or would that
have no effect?
| Yeah, I annoint the
talisman with the charged fluids.
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Should
one do this masturbatory part within, say, a
banishing ritual, or can you just fire it off
anytime when you're in the mood for masturbation?
| An interesting
question...I don't see any particular reason why you
couldn't do it anytime, although the particular
preparations of an actual ritual may help to focus the
intent.
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Would
that perhaps be the one with the deliberately
misleading title of, "How to Make and Use
Talismans" | That's
the one! I haven't seen it for years, but I seem to
recall that it was quite helpful in creating
talismans.
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You
CM guys still use blood don't you
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sexual fluids in ritual to give things a bit more "pep"
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OK. So I finally got off my butt and constructed
the friggin talisman, and did a "Rehearsal" charging. I
did change a few things though.
Firstly, it
wasn't Jupiterian, I changed it to Sol/Tipharetic in
nature. I did that because it just didn't feel right
with Jupiter, so I pulled one Tarot card and got the 6
of disks. 6 being the number of Tiphareth, and disks
being that of Earth, material nature, which was very
very well suited to the nature of the intent. I also
looked up some references in "Modern Magick" DMK's book,
and his had vey similar suggestions, so I took that as
being on the right track.
I made the talisman
out of a poker chip and construction paper. I painted
the chip yellow, used a sharpie pen to draw the sign for
Sol, and one for Leo, then glued on black construction
paper on each side, and drew some sigils, some stuff etc
etc etc.
As for the ritual. I just followed a
basic outline (thanks Todd)
1.Banished with LBRP,
2. Invoking ritual of hexagram (I felt it
appropriate to start with this) 3. Purified and
consecrated 4. Opened the temple with some knocks and
a simple oath. 5. Declared my statement of
intent
6.Drew the invoking hexagrams for Sol
(geez there's so many of them!!) in each
quarter
7.Read a chapter from "Treasure house of
images" that Crowley Pathworking book. (read the one
with Leo)
8. Envisioned the hexagrams coming
alive and just sorta like energy flowing into the
talisman while I was reading that passage.
9.
Made a ad-lib call to Raphael to help accomplish my will
and to imbue the talisman with his energy and spirit.
10. Gave liscence to depart, closed temple, BRH,
then LBRP.
That's basically it.
Though it started out as a rehearsal, I ended up getting
really into it while doing it. The parts I got sorta
confused were the calls to the spirits, and to Raphael.
I wasn't sure what to say or do, so I just sorta made
something up. I don't have much of a pattern to work
with. Are there any prescribed invocations for these
things? I'm so lost.
But anyway, the ritual felt
somewhat satisfying at least.
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93 Dear defgarden, Sounds pretty good
to me - a few things you may wish to consider -
Generally it is more efficacious to purify and
consecrate and open the temple before the invoking
hexagrams - it's a matter of temple preparation prior to
calling in the planetary forces. Rather than
using all the regular hexagrams for Sol, you could just
use the one unicursal hexagram of Sol.
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parts I got sorta confused were the calls to the
spirits, and to Raphael. I wasn't sure what to say
or do, so I just sorta made something up. I don't
have much of a pattern to work with
| This is the best
way!!! As A.C. says "Invoke with a pure heart" - an
invocation from the heart, even if it is somewhat
stumbling the first few times, has much more potential
than merely repeating the words of
another. Sounds like you did a great job - now
the hard part - forget about it! Don't let lust of
result short-circuit your efforts. 93
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Quote:
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Rather than using
all the regular hexagrams for Sol, you could just
use the one unicursal hexagram of
Sol. | The
unicursal hexagram is sooo much easier, but I prefer the
old school style hexagrams and since I want to keep
things uniform I have to use them for Sol as well. Oh
well...
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This
is the best way!!! As A.C. says "Invoke with a
pure heart" - an invocation from the heart, even
if it is somewhat stumbling the first few times,
has much more potential than merely repeating the
words of another.
| I
agree 100%. It is much more powerful to use your own
words. I often come up with a basic outline of what I am
going to say and base it off a classic text. Then as I
perform it I start with the words I planned on and then
allow myself to flow with the energy of the ritual and
let the words spill out of me as they will with the ones
that just come to me. Seems to cover my bases in case I
get tongue tied.Yes it sounds like you did a good job.
Simple and neat. I like
it.Things to think about next time you could
try adding the sigils of the spirit and intellegences of
Sol or maybe olympian
sigils....Also this just be me but I always like to
combine planetary energy from the hexagram ritual with a
layer from the ToL. Use a very good MP and then pull the
energy through Tiphareth into the item. Just adds an
additional layer and kicks the entire ritual up a notch.
Just an idea.
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Quote:
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Generally it is
more efficacious to purify and consecrate and open
the temple before the invoking hexagrams - it's a
matter of temple preparation prior to calling in
the planetary
forces.
| Heh,
I'll keep that in mind.
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Rather
than using all the regular hexagrams for Sol, you
could just use the one unicursal hexagram of
Sol.
| Oh geez.
That way just seems so much easier. Unicursals even look
better to me anyway. I don't know how to differentiate a
unicursal hex of sol to one of say Mars though, but I
can look around.
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This
is the best way!!! As A.C. says "Invoke with a
pure heart" - an invocation from the heart, even
if it is somewhat stumbling the first few times,
has much more potential than merely repeating the
words of
another.
| Yea,
while what I said did seem powerful, I just wish I had a
little more to say I guess.
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like you did a great job - now the hard part -
forget about it! Don't let lust of result
short-circuit your
efforts.
| Forget
what? Hah. Yea, definately the hard part, but the
energies are already going with me, as opportunities are
presenting themselves. I already got two interviews
lined up! The real real hard part is getting through
those!
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Thanks for the ideas Nero, I did use the planetary
intelligence and spirit for Sol on it.
I'll keep
that idea with the MP in mind.
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Whoa, you get such immediate results? I was told by
someone (whom I do trust a lot) that kabalistic
talismans take months or years to manifest (which would
explain why NONE of mine has manifested - it is yet to
come.  )
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It's not really a long term desired effect, so I
don't know. All that has manifested so far are
opportunities. The real work is nailing the interviews I
do get.
I had an interview today, but I'm not so
sure I even want the job haha. I have a big interview
next week for a county agricultural inspector position I
really really want to nail. That's going to be my focus.
That is the real magickal test I suppose.
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If your intent was " get job interviews" then
it's perfect. If your intent was " get a job" then
we have yet to see results. If your intent was " get
an amazingly interesting job with a high salary"
then I guess it might take a little while. For you,
perhaps up to a week. Other might have to wait longer
for manifestations. 
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don't know how to differentiate a unicursal hex of
sol to one of say Mars though, but I can look
around. | Here you go
- banishing on left, invoking on right - 93
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If your intent was
" get job interviews" then it's perfect. If
your intent was " get a job" then we have
yet to see results. If your intent was " get an
amazingly interesting job with a high salary"
then I guess it might take a little while. For
you, perhaps up to a week. Other might have to
wait longer for manifestations.  | I
can only hope the the energy and time I devote to
nailing my next interview will be the desired effect. I
can only hope as much without jinxing myself. I better
shut up now. hah. Fiat Lux, that diagram is
perfect. I'm saving it now for later reference.
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I 'm really not sure, but wasn't the Unicursla
hexagram like this: Upper Point: Sol Lower point:
Luna The other 4 points: The elements (This was
the golden dawn attribution, why would the attributions
of a symbol change?0),
so that the Sol unicursal
hexagram would begin from the upper point going deosil
and the banishing
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12-31-2004, 05:12 PM |
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I 'm really not
sure, but wasn't the Unicursla hexagram like
this: Upper Point: Sol Lower point:
Luna The other 4 points: The
elements
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hexagram is not attributed to the elements - it is
attributed to the planets and follows the same basic
layout of the Tree of Life as shown below -  93 93/93 Todd
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Quote:
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Blood tastes like
metal. | I've
always thought blood tastes like copper Pennies.
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However, in the second edition of MAGICK: LIBER
ABA by Crowley, in the editorial notes, page 774,
editorial note #336, the attributions of the
Unicursal Hexagram are elemental + Sol and Luna
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Are you talking about the hexagrams of
the BRH rather than the unicursal hexagrams used in
planetary ritual?
93 93/93
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I am currently in the planning
stage for a jupiter tailsmen I am working on.
I
was just wondering if we could get some follow up on
results from Defgarden?
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