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egregores
Grab
08-20-2004, 10:14 AM
Are servitors, elementals and egregores bascially the same
thing?
I have some intuitions. Elementals are constructed using one or
more elements (FAWE), and given a name and then sent off. When they are done,
they "dissappear". Egregores are similar except trapped into a clay figurine, so
you must destroy it ritually when it's done. Servitors are similar to
elementals, except they don't have a particular element, and are also given a
sigil, so that you might reuse the same guy many times. (But all this might be
incorrect.)
/grab
Wiseone
08-20-2004, 10:51 AM
well im pretty good with elementals and what you say of them
is right expect for some things. if you want to keep the elementals than you
keep them in statues or something like an egregore until furthur need of them.
and they can be used for other things as well like helping with defense against
attacks or whatnot.
Watcher
08-20-2004, 11:49 AM
These are all very different things. No offense to the
chaotes around but a lot of the confusion is due to their end. Let the record
show I have nothing against them, some people say my methods a bit like theirs.
an elemental is an earth spirit composed of a majority of one element.
They contain only minimal bits of the other elements and are helped along by
being in contact with the other elements through a mediator, usually you. a
servitor is an all purpose name for any spiritual entity which serves you but
most use it to mean a created thing and not a spirit "familiar" per say. so a
lot falls under the head of servitor and that is really the problem,
widesweeping terminology.
you can add extra words to denote, say your
definition of an elemental is sometimes called an elementary or elemental
servitor. whether or not it is attached to a statue is immaterial to the term
itself, like potatoes underground, or red paint on the wall. The idea of red and
paint combined are relevent, but the idea of "red paint" is no way influenced
itself by being on the wall.
Egregores are a lot harder to define. I
once read a nine page article on the history, etymology, definition, and uses of
egregores. From what I see its a bit more abstract. They are large structures of
intertwining energy that you can tap into. Of course the problem with that is
everything, including you can technically be defined this way. Entire Aeons can
be classified as egregores. The larger ones are sometimes called currents, like
the 93, 169, 696, 120 etc ad infinitum. If that sounded round about think of it
as an astral support group almost. By being initiated into the GD, you have a
deeper access to their symbol set etched into the ether. they can pass
information into you subtly to guide you. it would also make your journey the
responsibility of the egregore, which are usually fairly intelligent. And also
possibly of the "secret chiefs" if such things exist.
Pax et Lvx
The
Watcher
Overflowed_Buffer
08-20-2004, 12:34 PM
It is curious that you would ask this because just last
night I was doing extensive research on egregores!
Elementals, I'm not
informed enough to feel confident giving my opinion.
Servitors and
egregores are different because, according to the normal definition, egregores
are formed when projects or purposes "take on a life of their own." So it could
very well be accidental, while servitors are purposefully created. Also, when a
few people form a group, sometimes they are said to also form egregores of their
group. An example I read of was an egregore formed by gossip, heh.
This
however is the definition of egregores that is not entirely magic related.
According to Summoning Spirits, egregores are just things that you create or
evoke (I don't remember what his exact term was) that preform your tasks for
you. He claims they grow stronger and smarter as they are allowed to survive.
This information is similar to the non-magical definition of an egregore.
I am probably wrong, but this is what I picked up while reading. Please
correct me if it is due.
fiat_lux_777
08-20-2004, 06:39 PM
93
Some very basic definitions -
Elemental -
Gnome, Sylph, Undine or Salamander. A "personnification" of the basic building
blocks of manifest existence
Egregore - basically, meaning "watcher"....A
thoughtform specific to a group, especially a magickal Order, that encapsulates
the group's ideals and aspirations.
Servitor - generally an artificially
created thoughtform or tulpa created to accomplish a specific task.
All
can be used in various ways, but it is wise to keep in mind that:
1.
Elementals are only effective within their own sphere of operation (i.e. Gnome -
Earth, Salamander - fire) and are actual sentient beings that wouldn't take
kindly to anyone trying to imprison them in statues ;) To say they can be
unpredictable and capricious is an understatement.
2. Egregores generally
can only be utilised by those initiated into that particular group or current.
The "new age" attribution of egregores to thoughtforms to be utilised by anyone
on a whim is completely incorrect and uninformed.
3. Servitor - an
artificially created being with a temporary life-span that is intimately
connected with its creator/s. Generally not sentient in the ture sense of the
word - performs tasks to the letter of instruction - so make sure you are
unambiguous! If the servitor runs into problems - so do you :)
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Todd
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