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Grab 08-12-2004 06:09 AM

CM Talking Points: Risks and Dangers of Demon evokations
 
Inspired by another thread, I'd like a serious discussion with experienced practioners of demon (normally the Goetia) evocation. If you don't have any practical experience in demonic evocations, please give your opinions elsewhere, thanks.

Specifically, I want to here adress the danger of these evocations.

First, there is the danger of something happening during the ritual, an attack if one has a bad circle or similar. Second, there is the danger of getting a result which has bad side-effects. Third, there is the danger of the demon getting hooks inside you, not exactly possessing or controlling you, but rather influencing on a psychological level causing certain behavioural pattern changes which even might lead you to a destructive lifestyle, getting obsessed with whatever the demon finds amusing or similar. Of course, there are probably other dangers and some of these certainly overlap.

How have you experienced these dangers, and how do you protect yourself from them? What other dangers should we be aware of?

I hereby open the discussion.

/Grab

Frater Manjet 08-12-2004 06:13 AM

I feel this is worthy of becoming a Talking Point topic. So all keep in mind it will be strictly monitored and any nonsense will most assuredly receive swift warnings and posts edited or deleted to maintain it's integrity.

Subject... Demonic evocation : Risks and dangers.

- VVV

Master of the Abyss 08-12-2004 06:56 AM

Here's an excellent resource: http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/mythology/dangers.asp .

John S. Brackett 08-12-2004 10:50 AM

Demon Evocation
 
I have been working with the Goetia for four years, and I haven't suffered any after effects. I attribute this to my prayers to God and Jesus before and after the evocation, plus the Golden Dawn banishing rituals (all of them). I must state that after my opening prayers, I perform the Middle Pillar Exercise to center myself in the magickal universe and to have God's power, the Holy Spirit, course through and around me. I then have a small crystal and look into it, intoning separately the names of the four Archangels (Raphael, Gabriel, Michael, and Uriel) until I feel their presence in the room, protecting me. I then replace the crystal with a black mirror, place the demon's sigil in the triangle while wearing it also around my neck. Then then perform the Qabalistic Cross. I also have the Seal of Solomon attached to my robe as protection and keep a crucifix in the circle with me for protection. If the demon seems menancing to me, which it sometimes does, I threaten to burn the sigil. Believe it or not, this seems to work some times. If not I pick up the crucifix and (I know it's corney) yell "The power of God and Jesus Christ compell you to obey me." This works too.

Some magicians I have talked to state that they will never ever use the Goetia again, because of after effects of seeing menacing shadows, hearing voices whisper death threats in their LEFT ear, being attacked by demons in the dream state, smelling a horrible odor sometimes, to name a few.

I hope this helps you in your quest.

Peace, Light, Love

LadyHydralisk 08-13-2004 01:47 PM

John your post made me smile out of amusement, you seem like a really powerful magician but it's cool you have a sense of humor about the Jesus thing. Alot of people on the boards here ask about christian ritual so it's good to get that perspective for once from a serious practitioner.

I knew someone in Georgia once who swore by the christian system, too.

I use the Goetia, or more appropriately the demonic because I feel compelled to study and utilize it. It's not for everyone and I still don't know why I research in that area, but it is an integral part of my magicial growth process, there's something missing for me that can only be found in that realm. Eventually I do plan on actually stepping into that dimension where they live and encountering them on their own ground.

Talk about horror stories, I've seen and heard it all. The most interesting story I've ever heard, though was one from samesaid guy in Georgia who told me about a circle in Europe, a group evocation I think in France, where the people where found (dead) with all the bones in their body shattered. Unfortunately I lost contact with him shortly after I moved but the general gist of the story is what intrigued me aside from the details.

I think the greatest danger is losing your soul, which is very real for the more despondent and desperate among us. It's not something to go into with desperation in your heart, (the story of)Faust demonstrates that quite nicely.

I've had personal experiences ranging from mild subconsciously permissioned posession, non-life threatening attacks resulting in mild injury as well as gateways being opened for other oppurtunists to congregate in the area of the evocation. I think this is avoidable with the proper and holistic approach to preparation, evocation, dismissal and banishing. The whole house, really, needs to be made into a sacred space so that you will not be bothered during off hours. And I think on body protection especially physical representations like silver, need to be worn at all times outside of the home in addition to servitors and words of power.

Your neighbors may also be affected by the going ons at your house or wherever you evocate. So keep that in mind if you want to instruct the demon to leave them alone if you think they are a target.

flyinhighagain 08-13-2004 08:45 PM

The power of Christ compells you!!!
 
""If not I pick up the crucifix and (I know it's corney) yell "The power of God and Jesus Christ compell you to obey me." This works too.""

Corney?????
You speak the name of the Christ and the spirits obey in fear?
If you spoke another name and the spirits obeyed what would you think about the entity behind this word of power?????
It's not corney at all - it's exactly what it appears to be an example of REAL power.

Because he actually is who the christians say he is.


Flyinhighagain


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