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Vagabond 08-03-2004 12:32 PM

Chakra and Kundalini Workbook
 
Aloha all

I picked up A Chakra and Kundalini Workbook by John Mumford several months ago but haven't gotten around to reading it yet. I was just wondering if any one out there is familiar with this book and if so what do you think about it

Thanks in advance :)

Jenfucius 08-04-2004 05:09 AM

I thiink its better than most books out there. Other books tend to be full of errors. Mainly written by second/third etc hand information. Which of course can lead to problems.

Specktackular 08-19-2004 09:14 PM

Kundalini warnings/experience website
 
http://www.kundalini-teacher.com/symptoms/symptoms.html

I sort of got lost in this website after I started looking into it.
I was wondering if anyone here could give me some feedback on this site, if they have time to check it out. There's a lot of stuff there.

Weird thing is the Light Bulbs section. I had streetlights go out when I walked by for about 4 years and slowly stopped once I became involved in my current relationship, which I think helped "ground" me, without use of an actual grounding meditation. I was able to freak people out by telling them before we went out to watch the streetlights as we walk by. Inevitably, 1 or 2 lights would go out during my 7 minute walk to or from the subway while walking by/under them.

If this is part of Kundalini awakening and this can't be reversed, I am a tad bit concerned about such things as acting like a freak, contorting into poses and speaking in sanskrit while I'm at work or something. Not afraid or worrying, just concerned and wondering how likely such things are or what to do about it.

Also, I find it interesting that this website shows many aspects of Western Magick as dangers to be ignored rather than spirits to be entertained or sought.

Specktackular 08-19-2004 09:23 PM

Something else interesting that you just have to "trust" about Kundalini awakening... this person advises to ignore ghosts and voices because they are spirits feeding off your energy... but, that you can't fight Kundalini. This is interesting because an energy that invades your body and would contort you into bizarre yoga postures while chanting a dead language you don't know is what average people would see as "demon possession." You don't KNOW that this is really "God-Spirit" any more than you KNOW not to listen to voices or disembodied spirits. At least voices and disembodied spirits aren't taking over your body, right? Who knows? Maybe these voices and disembodied spirits are the very same ones that move in and take over your body.

doh 08-19-2004 10:15 PM

Inadvertent releases of Kundalini energy can be VERY dangerous at times. But I don't think your's are.

Usually, if you have used Kundalini before, it is more of a "hello, one of your chakras is blocked here" kind of notice. I wouldn't worry about it while at work (as there isn't much you can really do without someone calling for a padded room), but when you get home, perhaps doing some chakra meditations and seeing if there is a block or not. It can also be caused by something causing you extreme stress, so you may want to look into that aspect through meditation or introspection as well.

I don't agree with the "Kundalini awakening" as this person describes. It may have happened for some, but generally, from my experience and others' experiences I have read about, something like that came about because they weren't entirely ready for it. I don't see that when you are awakened you will always start pulling a contortionist's act or start speaking in tongues. I don't see it as a "possession" type of energy, in the technical sense, though, either. It's more of a "joining" if that makes any sense.

Specktackular 08-19-2004 11:06 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by doh
Inadvertent releases of Kundalini energy can be VERY dangerous at times. But I don't think your's are.

Usually, if you have used Kundalini before, it is more of a "hello, one of your chakras is blocked here" kind of notice. I wouldn't worry about it while at work (as there isn't much you can really do without someone calling for a padded room), but when you get home, perhaps doing some chakra meditations and seeing if there is a block or not. It can also be caused by something causing you extreme stress, so you may want to look into that aspect through meditation or introspection as well.

I don't agree with the "Kundalini awakening" as this person describes. It may have happened for some, but generally, from my experience and others' experiences I have read about, something like that came about because they weren't entirely ready for it. I don't see that when you are awakened you will always start pulling a contortionist's act or start speaking in tongues. I don't see it as a "possession" type of energy, in the technical sense, though, either. It's more of a "joining" if that makes any sense.


I didn't mean to give the impression that the website made these extreme experiences seem standard. It was more of reluctant warnings about what could *possibly* happen.

Thanks for your input! Everytime I get the urge to research Kundalini, I read that bad experiences like this are rare, but I always take that with a grain of salt and concentrate on the warning. :lol: Mainly because I'm solo and plan on staying that way.


I'll trust that the spontaneous spastic stuff is rare, but what about the reset of this stuff? Is this all rare? I hope...


* Muscle twitches, cramps or spasms.


* Energy rushes or immense electricity circulating the body


* Itching, vibrating, prickling, tingling, stinging or crawling sensations


* Intense heat or cold


* Involuntary bodily movements (occur more often during meditation, rest or sleep): jerking, tremors, shaking; feeling an inner force pushing one into postures or moving one's body in unusual ways.* (May be misdiagnosed as epilepsy, restless legs syndrome, or PLMD
* Alterations in eating and sleeping patterns


* Episodes of extreme hyperactivity or, conversely, overwhelming fatigue


* Intensified or diminished sexual desires


* Headaches, pressures within the skull


* Racing heartbeat, pains in the chest


* Digestive system problems


* Numbness or pain in the limbs (particularly the left foot and leg)


* Pains and blockages anywhere; often in the back and neck


* Emotional outbursts; rapid mood shifts; seemingly unprovoked or excessive episodes of grief, fear, rage, depression


* Spontaneous vocalizations (including laughing and weeping) -- are as unintentional and uncontrollable as hiccoughs


* Hearing an inner sound or sounds, classically described as a flute, drum, waterfall, birds singing, bees buzzing but which may also sound like roaring, whooshing, or thunderous noises or like ringing in the ears.


* Mental confusion; difficulty concentrating


* Altered states of consciousness: heightened awareness; spontaneous trance states; mystical experiences (if the individual's prior belief system is too threatened by these, they can lead to bouts of psychosis or self-grandiosity)


* Heat, strange activity, and/or blissful sensations in the head, particularly in the crown area.


* Ecstasy, bliss and intervals of tremendous joy, love, peace and compassion


* Psychic experiences: extrasensory perception; out-of-body experiences; pastlife memories; astral travel; direct awareness of auras and chakras; contact with spirit guides through inner voices, dreams or visions; healing powers


* Increased creativity: new interests in self-expression and spiritual communication through music, art, poetry, etc.


* Intensified understanding and sensitivity: insight into one's own essence; deeper understanding of spiritual truths; exquisite awareness of one's environment (including "vibes" from others)


* Enlightenment experiences: direct Knowing of a more expansive reality; transcendent awareness

buddha 08-20-2004 12:12 AM

i have worked with kundalini before and i got a kundalini awaking..
i felt a huge amount of energi flooding within my body.. there was just one problem, my body wasn't ready for it.. so i experincet some of the sympthons you list above..
it happend about 4 years ago and i thinking to try working with it again, but i'm not sure

Specktackular 08-20-2004 12:16 AM

I think as long as you have kundalini awakening, you're "awoken," aren't you? Either that, or your kundalini is stuck where you last left it, I guess? There's supposedly no turning back.

Ludi 08-20-2004 12:24 AM

Sounds like a mixed manic episode!

Specktackular 08-20-2004 08:11 AM

Chakra Meditation - there appears to be almost no good books!
 
One book I've had my eye on is "How To Meditate Using Chakras, Mantras and Breath" by Dennis Chernin published by the Himalayan Institute Press. It comes with 2 cds of 4 guided meditations that go through the 7 steps of meditation and seem to nicely compliment the book material.

Other than this, the only book I've found that looks remotely decent is "Wheels of Life," but I don't like the way it has New Aged up Kundalini Shakti and melded the west and east. Also, there are practically no in-depth meditations.

Any all-time classics I can't find that I could look into before I plunk down $30 on that first book I mentioned? (I'll peruse "Wheels of Life" a bit more at my local Barnes & Noble, but I think it's only good for theory which in this case looks a little convoluted).

Thanks.

Horus 08-20-2004 08:26 AM

this one is very good, no new age http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0892817666/qid=1092961537/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-0639443-8215348?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 and so is The Serpent Power by Athur Avalon, if you don't mind learning a few sanscrit words in the process.

Horus 08-20-2004 08:35 AM

Once you have one you can very much revert back but it will leave an indelible mark on yourself. It's like the alchemical process, if interrupted it must be started over again. I think many people are ignorant of the dangers of an all out kundalini experience. A full out awakening can be a very long, VERY intense, and VERY weird experience. Weird stuff does happen... when it happened to me I experienced much of the symptoms listed on that site. I was not aware of what was happening at the time and continued to practice magick as I saw fit. But when dealing with energy like this, one easily attracts all mannor of weirdness, especially if still doing magick work. Almost any half assed effort seems to infallibly work - for good or ill... whether one was developed to the point of doing X-thing before the awakening or not. This too fades I'm afraid. It also can go away if you are not ready for it.

pathless 08-20-2004 09:19 AM

Layayoga is a GOOD book but im finding this a little broader and better

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0691057796/qid=1092964473/sr=ka-1/ref=pd_ka_1/002-5926577-3927257

hope all is well Specktackular

Specktackular 08-20-2004 09:57 AM

That Layayoga book looks good, but I'm not so sure I want to start at the crown and move down, since that is probably the most dangerous approach. The Serpent Power looks good, too. Maybe I'll get that instead of this other rather slim volume I was thinking about.

Specktackular 08-20-2004 10:07 AM

Also, thanks for the suggestion, Pathless. I'll be sure to check that out in the store as well.

doh 08-20-2004 10:16 AM

I agree with Horus. If you don't use it, you will lose it and if you're not ready for it, it won't stick around.

But I would add that 99% of the symptoms they mention also apply to the "non-awakened" state. Problems with your chakras and such. They were, for me, usually what is telling you to look farther. I didn't get most of those problems, except the hyperactivity and feeling of a surge of power and a little shaking. I might now. It's been quite a while since I've done any Kundalini work, much to my embarrassment and dismay.

Specktackular 08-20-2004 10:41 AM

Doh, that's a really good point! I've had almost all of those symptoms before thanks to heavy LSD use about 10 years ago. But, now after all these years of experience, I've opened myself up to tons of new people in regular settings, I realize I'm totally normal, if not more "thinking" then your average shlub. Meditation, exercise, no drugs, alcohol, smoking, etc. has made me rather relaxed. I notice weird coincidence sometimes, but doesn't everyone? In my experience, yes they do. Maybe it's a New York thing (people are pretty free around these parts), but occult ideas are things that regular straightlaced professional people talk about everyday with ease. They don't contort and speak in tongues, but they'll tell you about a ghost they saw.

Anything else, like jitters or strange mood swings, I easily can attribute to stress which passes in a few hours or days depending on if I pay attention to the problem and fix it, rather than ignore it.

If you ask me, panic attacks and other average disorders treated with Prozac these days sound a lot like those Kundalini symptoms... and I don't have those kinds of problems.

The Tengu 08-20-2004 10:48 AM

There's a great book out there by a man named Dr. Glenn Morris titled Path Notes of an American Ninja Master.

In it he explains how he was doing Kundalini exercises (somewhat improperly), masturbated one morning, and went temporarily blind.

Good stuff!

Jenfucius 08-20-2004 10:55 PM

Quite a number of teachers warn about teh dangers of untrained kundalini awakening. The Tengu has mention Glenn Morrison's book. I have read it it. He does breifly talk about it. Another book I would recomend is "Kundalini" by Gopi Krishna (sp?)

Theres a few other books that give warnings but I cant remember off the top of my head right now.

(Another thing one should do is to make sure their vertibrae (sp?) are align properly. You might want to check with a chiropractor. Teh energy can get locked if the alighnment is correct.)

I personally had some bad experience with some chi kung on another thread (use the search feature to find it).

*Its usually safer if you get a good techer who can guide you properly or if a problem does occur.

Son of mr. gordo 08-20-2004 11:09 PM

http://www.kundalini.se/eng/engkni.html

http://kundalini-support.com/index.html

Specktackular 08-20-2004 11:37 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenfucius
I personally had some bad experience with some chi kung on another thread (use the search feature to find it).


"Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms." the only post that showed up when I search chi kung by Jenfucius was this one. I tried Qigong, Chigong, chikung and chigong just to be sure but nothing.

Yeah, the very first book I bought about Kundalini warned about it, so I gave up the idea, not wanting to risk it. Since Mr. Gordo mentioned it in relation to Qigong, I have gotten more interested in learning about it for some reason. (Nothing bad is happening, just got curious and wanted to be prepared just in case).

The website I linked kind of frowns on Gopi's books because he warns too much (according to them) and he is paranoid about it because he forced Kundalini awakening due to improper overexercise (according to them). I just have one book by Swami someone and another Yoga book that briefly mentions Kundalini, the nadis, Chakras. breathing and meditation, without getting into dangers of it. It's mostly just an asana book, but it covers diet and everything, too.

Specktackular 08-20-2004 11:41 PM




Thanks, Mr. Gordo. I'm going to check out those sites over the weekend. I'm still not into the instructor thing. I'm just not into paying $70 and experiencing personal growth under the scrutiny of a stranger or group of strangers. Do you know any good books on Kundalini and chakra meditation?

Son of mr. gordo 08-21-2004 12:02 PM

Hey Specktackular,


I'm not very knowledgable on the kundalini tradition, however I do have the book "A Chakra and Kundalini Workbook" by Dr. John Mumford. I used one of his exercises to assist me with my insomnia, and it worked wonders. As for the rest of the exercises, I did not continue (only because I bought it for my insomnia! :-D ) There were some reviews on amazon saying he showed too much that could be dangerous for a novice, but he really is a genuine kriya yoga practitioner. His Magical Tattwa Cards cards are supposed to be incredible for beginners to start with.

You know I'm pretty much a control freak when it comes to active meditation, but I really respect the work done by Mumford.

Son of mr. gordo 08-21-2004 12:09 PM

I was told this is a hidden gem that few know about regarding kundalini yoga. The author, Norman Paulsen gives an extremely powerful active meditation in this book:

Sacred Science : Meditation, Transformation, Illumination


Here's the thing, ignore his obvious Christian slant in the book....the active meditation is authentic in the tradition of Yogananda....he was one of his top students.

Check it out, maybe it's what you're looking for.

Specktackular 08-22-2004 01:18 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Son of mr. gordo
Hey Specktackular,


I'm not very knowledgable on the kundalini tradition, however I do have the book "A Chakra and Kundalini Workbook" by Dr. John Mumford...You know I'm pretty much a control freak when it comes to active meditation, but I really respect the work done by Mumford.


Wow, that's cool. I looked at this book in the store and saw pictures of a man piercing his tongue and the people just looked like crazy drug-crazed hippies... something about it felt a little "wrong" and so I put it back. It just felt like "black magicky" for some reason. It's cool to hear you recommend it. I'll go back and give it another look over. From the Amazon.com reviews, I like the idea that it's not about yoga poses, but meditation on chakra centers.

oak 09-11-2004 08:07 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Specktackular
Do you know any good books on Kundalini and chakra meditation?

The Serpent Power by Arthur Avalon (sir John Woodroffe) is probably the most complete source for information you can find.

Horus 09-11-2004 09:03 PM

^^ definately ace choice. Also, Layayoga by Shyam Sundar Goswami is great too.

pathless 09-19-2004 09:06 AM

A Comparative Thesis on Thelema and Kashmir Shaivism
 
Kundalini Rising - A Comparative Thesis on Thelema and Kashmir Shaivism
By: Jonathan Bethel & Michael McDaniel

A camparative thesis on Thelema and Kashmir Shaivism
"I am the secret Serpent coiled about to spring: in my coiling there is joy. If I lift my head, I and my Nuit are one. If I droop down my head, and shoot forth venom, then is rapture of the earth, and I and the earth are one." II.26 Liber Al vel Legis."

"Shaktipat is the compassionate will of Paramashiva; It is also called grace. Shaktipat received from the Guru or from God inspires us to walk on the path of Self-knowledge." - Swami Muktananda

Out of all the possible mystical paths to one's Godhead, the schools of Thelema and Kashmir Shaivism are two that concur on the fact that man's divinity is self manifest or preeminent, without struggle, process or need for technique. The Vashnava schools and the cult of Christianity use the crutch of dualism to uphold their false acquisition of power, over the minds of collective humanity. Truly if Shiva is everywhere, as the Shaivites proclaim, "Paramashiva", then god is everywhere, thus nullifying the need for a hierarchal system such as the church, which is at best a middleman between the aspirant and the divine. Similarly, in Liber Al, one of the main tenets is that "Every man and every woman is a star." This culminates in full expression in the act of living your life as a "Kingly Man". These two mystical approaches find validation in modern day quantum physics, where matter and consciousness are two sides of the same coin, like Shiva/Shakti and Nuit/Hadit. The two are married together in a deeper more subtle layer within the quantum field.

In the quote mentioned above, Hadit identifies himself as the secret serpent, kundalini, or individual consciousness, Jiva. Nuit is identified with the Mayashakti, who is the phenomenal extension of the noumenal, Paramashiva. Furthermore, the earth is likened unto the Prikritas or the three Gunas, Sattva(clarity), Rajas(chaos), and Tamas(inertia). These eventually manifest as corporeal physicality. When Hadit lifts up his head, this is the path of mysticism or renunciation, whose end goal is called the Ains, the negative veils of existence, in the occident, and Paramashiva in the orient. When he droops down his head and shoots forth venom, he is exhibiting the path of magick, multiplicity, whereby the magician seeks "to cause change in conformity with will." Hadit and Nuit come together as Jivanmukta, which is to say, that while living in the physical body and suffering the pains of daily life, one is ultimately still Shiva, or God. Hadit, being Motion and the rising of the kundalini, is likened unto the verb. Additionally, Nuit, matter or the matrix, is likened unto the noun. These two together are the "Tao and the Teh of Chinese philosophy". This marriage of opposites comes to fruition in the biune deity of Ra Hoor Khuit, the crowned and Conquering Child, and his doppelganger Harpokraat, the god of silence. As previously mentioned, this is also the Jivanmukta, the divine man, portrayed as Nuit/Hadit or Shiva/Shakti.

In the second quote mentioned above, Shaktipat, "the Guru's grace", is a form of initiation directly transmitted from Guru to chela, thru the touch of a hand, a fixed stare, or word or phrase said at the right moment to inspire Samadhi. It can also descend from the highest level of one's own consciousness without a physical Guru, for Shiva is the archetypal Guru. The transmission of Shaktipat can only be consummated when the chela has reached a feverent point of devotion and a clear realization that the Guru is Shiva or God. Shaktipat can also pass from teacher to student, even when the said guru is no longer on this plane. His Shaktipat can extend down through the chasm of time in the form of ritual, books, photographs, art and other media. In the arena of Thelemic thought, the obvious cult of personality or focal point of devotion is Aleister Crowley, but superceding this is the admiration of his libertine philosophies and mystical approach. In Hindu mythology, Shiva is the Devotee par excellence, manifesting in the form of Hanuman the Monkey King and later as Arjuna. Hanuman exhibits his devotion to Rama by aiding him in his search for his lost wife. Arjuna, likewise, exhibits his devotion to Krishna in the epic battle of the Bhagavadgita in the Mahabarata. Not enough can be said about the mesmeric stare and shaktipat that flows there from. In the 14th degree of the Scottish Rite, "The Perfect Elu", the Hierophant goes form initiate to initiate fixing upon their eyes the mesmeric stare, which transmits a wisdom beyond words.

In the Trimurti of Hinduism , Brahma is the creator, Vishnu is the sustainer and Shiva is the destroyer. This destructive element is displayed in the "Eye of Shiva" depicted on tarot card, "The Tower". In this dominantly red card of martial influences, a baleful eye without lid can be seen to emit a destructive blow to the tower of Babel. This is a symbol of the paradigm shift itself, which hinges upon the destruction of old patterns and belief systems, so that new more complex systems can take hold unimpeded by the excessive baggage which neophobic inertia creates. The "Eye of Shiva" is depicted in Hindu iconography as the third eye or pineal gland. This third eye, in modern psychoanalysis, is referred to as the essential self, or in Hinduism, as the Atman. Each Atman, or Hadit point, is the secret center within man, whereby matter and consciousness merge into a higher synthesis of complex order, Ra Hoor Khuit/JivanMukta. This is the Dynamic Stillness of the Kashmir Shaivites.. This is the ultimate dichotomy of being and becoming merged into perfection. This can be expressed in both systems, as the word "AUM"(A-waking, U-dreaming, and M-deep sleep) and is stated in the Shiva sutras as, "The fourth enjoys and is contained in the states of waking, dreaming, and deep sleeping." It is further sated, "the triad eaten by a lord hero." The fourth and the lord hero are expressions of Shiva the ultimate reality and are rarely seen by the average man bound up in the toils of waking, dreaming, and deep sleep. This fourth, or ultimate reality is the Mahayogi, which is the goal of the contemplative exercises of the yogi. When this union occurs the lower mundane reality is flooded by the higher and is expressed in the sutras a thus, "Pour the fourth in the three like oil diffusing in water." This shows the pure light of consciousness, known as Prakasha in the orient, and LUX in the occident, is aware and watching during all three mundane states, and is always ready to flood the initiate with inspiration and creativity of an unlimited nature, being that it is the infinite. These exercises are distilled in the sacred Kashmir Shaivite text called, "Vijnana Bhairava", through which oneness with ParamaShiva is attained. These 112 exercises are strikingly similar those found in Liber Nuit and Liber Hadit, which contain exercises for the expansion and contraction of consciousness. They range from the mysterious to the strange, and are quoted as thus: "Listen to the sound of a musical instrument as it dies away"; "Meditate on OM and the void at the end of it"; "Concentrate on the void above and the void below"; "Meditate on the Shaiva Tattva as pervading the whole universe". This final quote is an expression of the fact, that the world is an embodiment of Shiva and that God can be found anywhere and everywhere.

It is interesting to note, that Siva spelled backwards is Avis. Avis is Latin for bird, which is used in words denoting flying such as aviation and aviary and can be likened to Horus the hawk. Additionally, Avis, or Aiwass, the minister of Harpoorcraat, was the intelligence who dictated Liber Al vel Legis to Aleister Crowley. When looking at Liber Al vel Legis it obvious that the Shaktipat, "the Guru's Grace", emanates there from and causes certain psychic stresses and initiations to occur in the mind of the true devotee of Nuit." The commingling of Shiva/Shakti can be expressed in Thelemic terms, "For he is ever a sun, and she a moon. But to him is the winged secret flame, and to her the stooping starlight". The Shaivite principle of ParamaShiva, that Shiva is everywhere equally, can be seen in the verses from Liber Al, "Bind Nothing! Let there be no difference made among you between any one thing and any other thing; for thereby there cometh hurt" and further in "Every number is infinite, there is no difference"

Lastly, it should be emphasized, that to live as a "Kingly Man", one should not turn away from the joys and ecstasies of life, as the slave minds of the moral majority do who live under the yoke of another man's ideologies. Both Kashmir Shaivism and Thelemic philosophy both extricate the simple pleasures of life from the oppressive grip of the guilt inspiring dominator culture and lift them to pinnacles of reverence, whereby the pleasures themselves become the means of union.

About the Author

Jonathan Bethel and Michael McDaniel are both writers and lecturers in the areas of esoterica, philosophy, psychology, science, history and futurism.
Written: December 18, 2002

Son of mr. gordo 10-09-2004 05:21 AM

Kundalini Awakening, LSD, & the Astral Plane
 
I took this one interesting Q&A from an interview with Yogi Dharma Mittra:


Q. A lot of people have been interested in kundalini awakening .Do you think it’s enough to practice hatha yoga in order to awaken kundalini or some special kundalini practice need to be involved or maybe kundalini is just an ancient myth that does not exist and if it’s not so, have you ever met in your life somebody who had an experience of kundalini and does it mean that this person has attained enlightenment and is it possible to experience kundalini in the west not being in an ashram in India?

A. Hmmm, I think I have met people who do kundalini exercises not, how to say, to achieve self realization, but for the experience. But that experience might give a person a push in the right direction. One can get extremely enthusiastic because you see something there inside and then you are always striving to get that back. It’s wonderful, but I have seen people also, with some problems, they went too fast and they didn’t have the foundation because in order to do kundalini, you have to prepare your nerves. You have to do some basic pranayama exercises, develop some healthy habits and purify your heart. Even without that, a person may have experiences even if the foundation is no good. They receive a little glimpse of that and then they go and have some bad effects. That happen to me a long time ago playing with this, but now, I don’t play with that anymore. It’s terrible, because I wasn’t prepared for it. And then, that little experience may be the base, the push to do the rest because the experience will never leave your mind, you know, it’s in there and you always strive for it now. It’s very quick, you can make progress fast, but you have to be careful. To not go fast because if you damage too much, then you become open to a negative psychic influences. It’s like drugs, exactly like drugs. When you take LSD you are experiencing something in the astral plane, but you are not ready to go into that divine space. You will experience it anyway and then you are a victim to of plenty trouble. You may damage your astral body and your psychic channels and then you are a victim to negative influences and psychic attacks. You may destroy your subtle body too.

Read the Full Interview Here



Son of mr. gordo

Son of mr. gordo 10-09-2004 01:05 PM

Cult Leader Yogi Harbhajan dies in US
 
Gloom in Sikh institutions after religious leader's death



Punjab, India > Amritsar, Oct 8 : While thousands of Sikhs were emigrating to the West from Punjab in the 1960's seeking better prospects, one of them went over to spread the universal message of Sikhism.

Harbhajan Singh, popular as Yogi Bhajan, passed away at his Espanola, New Mexico, home Thursday spreading a pall of gloom over several Sikh religious and other institutions across Punjab. He was 75.

The Miri Piri Academy here - set up by Yogi Bhajan -- to train Westerners and Sikhs settled abroad on the values of Sikhism was under a wave of shock and disbelief on hearing about his death.

The supreme Sikh religious body - Shiromani Gurudwara Prabandhak Committee (SGPC) -- closed its offices Thursday after news of Yogi Bhajan's death came.

SGPC president Bibi Jagir Kaur paid tributes to the yeoman service that Yogi Bhajan had done in spreading the message of Sikhism in western countries.

Yogi Bhajan, a former customs officer from this Sikh holy city, had gone to North America in 1968 armed with his expertise in Kundalini Yoga that became an instant success there and got him several followers.

Moving with the times, Yogi Bhajan - who acquired US citizenship in 1976 - was even referred as the Pope of new age Sikhism.

"He was a tech-savvy new age guru who made full use of technology to propagate the message of Sikhism," an SGPC executive committee member said.

Son of a doctor who had migrated from Pakistan after the Partition in 1947, he had only the clothes that he was wearing when he first reached the Indian side of the border.

Beginning his new life in the US much later, Yogi Bhajan said he had come to the West "to create teachers and not to gain students".

Yogi Bhajan used funds from his successful commercial interests in the US to propagate Sikhism and its ideals.

He was a self-transformed vegetarian and had been able to impress upon scores of people towards vegetarianism.

--Indo-Asian News Service


Information on Yogi Harbhajan





Son of mr. gordo

phased 10-10-2004 11:13 AM

s**t man, I know all to well about damaging myself. I got f***ed with hardcore. Hatha yoga and abstaining from mind altering substances helped speed up the healing process.

Son of mr. gordo 10-15-2004 11:56 AM

Have a Full Kundalini Awakening.....in 45 minutes!
 
I've been doing some very light research lately on NLP, General Semantics, DHE, and Ericksonian Hypnosis. I think this product I came across takes the cake:

http://www.xtrememind.com/Subliminal_Kundalini.htm


That's right folks, forget your pranayamic breathing, asanas, and active meditations! With this handy, dandy, CD that incorporates NLP, Hypnosis, Subliminal messages, and binaural beats, you too can explode your serpent energy through your brow chakra! If those silly yogis only had CD players back then. :rolleyes:



Son of mr. gordo

bhoot 10-15-2004 04:07 PM

I have to comment on this.Actually our old Rishi , muni , sages and all those guys in between did not have any technological help .So poor guys had to go to jungles and do yoga to open their chakras.
So sad for them.But today we have everything .Instant karma clearing, instant yoga,instant
enlightenment .
May be tomorrow some yogic will come who will pick you up from your home take you directly across the abyss.
Good luck fellows

Dracophoenix 10-15-2004 06:47 PM

Thank you very much for this post Son of Mr. Gordo.

I love it what a trip. The following is my just being a twit. I'm not being serious.

"Will I turn into Gohan from DBZ and like you know go from seeingly no power to lke berserker super saiyan and kill like everyone in sight""

"No it's perfectly safe and lots of fun too everyone's doing it"

"Will I get lots of chicks with it"

"Sorry you can't get the babes but we do have this great after shave that smells great called Pheramone X"

"I feel useless and worthless can this help?"

"How about some free Prozac instead"

doh 10-15-2004 08:57 PM

"Only $79.95. But wait, don't order that just yet. You'll also get your own personalized, computerized yogi (picnic basket included) to walk you through step by step. Valued at $39.95 it's your's absolutely free with your paid order."

:roll: Oh Lord, what next?

p4r4norm4 10-15-2004 09:44 PM

list of things to do:

1. order Kundalini Awakening cd..
2. wait for it to arrive..
3. open box and pop the cd in player..
4. wait for 45 more minutes..

and ow yeah!!
..i will create..!! emmm.. nothing :lol:

maybe the sound frequencies they use, do affect your brain (stimuli of some sort..)..
but i doubt that kundalini awakening would be resulted by this..
and say for the sake of argument, it did result to a kundalini awakening, how would you be sure that things would go right..
how would a person be able to control it without ever before being involved..

am had a kundalini awakening and a lot of weird things are going on, overcoming some and still not so sure on how to go about some other (the list is getting bigger..)..

Jenfucius 10-16-2004 01:03 AM

I trully wonder if the program only has a psychological effect rather than a real metaphysical effect????

Son of mr. gordo 10-16-2004 01:04 AM

Quote:
"Will I get lots of chicks with it"

"Sorry you can't get the babes but we do have this great after shave that smells great called Pheramone X"



Thanks for asking Draco! For a limited time only, if you don't order our Kundalini Awakening CD, you can order our Babe CD. This revolutionary CD is precision engineered to install in your unconscious a magnetic attraction to you by women...GUARANTEED. (you and doh will have to write them so they can make one for women :p )

No, I'm not joking. They actually make this product too. :lol:

http://www.xtrememind.com/MLFdaBabe.htm


Well at least it sounds safer than awakening your kundalini. :lol:

Dracophoenix 10-17-2004 01:41 AM

This stuff is very entertaning.

What next the guide to slap a ho through subliminal training & how to get more hos, LOL?

"But does it slice dice and julliene all at the same time?"

"No but you can have the power to control the minds of all the best chefs worldwide!!!!!"

Horus 10-17-2004 03:26 AM

Babes and Enlightenment, can't beat that!


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