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Summoning Spirits - Kostantinos
For the people who read this book, which I believe all of you
cermonial magickians have read this .. What do you think about this book
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Plainly put, I thought it was an awesome
book. |
Caveats first . . . K seems to move the practioner through
preliminaries rather quickly and does present evocation without much
involvement of the Great Work. Personally, I would assume that the book is best for people who aren't beginners. And I personally don't see the problem with attaining low magick goals using high magick means. Sorcery is viable. I also thought it was a good read . . . (course, I like MM too :P ) |
I disagree my friend, evokation can aid the great work many
times...its up to the practicioner as to what he does with his summoning
skills. Personally I reccomend that to be the 2nd book a "neophyte" (to
refraim from using the word "newb") to read. (The first being Book 4 by
AC). |
Sorry, my bad . . . I said that unclear. I think Kostantinos doesn't present much concept of the Great Work in his presentation of evocation. Not that I think its all that necassary, but I understand that many find this to be a large gap in his presentation. |
I found some valid aspects in this
book ( and in "MM" as well LOL ). I agree that there is not much
elucidation on the greater concepts of the Great Work; or how evokation as
a skill can be used to further it. I pose that a book relating to color theory will probably not discuss the "goal" of being an artist, what art is or even what the authors veiws on art are. So in this frame of reference "K's" book is a valid read even for just another perspective on technique and methodology. I would point to the all too common misconception of many newcomers that these various techniques are the goal of magick. How many newbie posts have we seen here that are akin to " I'm new to magick and I want to summon ( insert name here ) ". That being said, my primary issues are at the heart of his techniques and methodology more than lack of reference to role of evokation. " Horizon to Horizon in the Manjet of RA" Fr. Manjet VVV |
Ashnook reccomended that book to me a while ago. I'm still in the
process of reading it. So far its been a great
book. |
It is a
good book. It is very much a "how-to" book for the newbi. I also like his
exercises to develop your astral senses.
I find it a little strange that he uses the elemental symbols along with the tablet of union for the watchtower ritual instead of the enochian tablets but I have talked to people who use that method just fine, so to each his own. Also the method he outlines I would say is the bare minimum of protection needed. IMO if you were going to summon something a little nasty I would add some things, mainly an invokation to your higher self either using the bornless ritual, the cicero ritual, or one of your own creation. The main problem I have with the book is that it is aimed at the pure beginner. I find this a bit careless on the author's part. Other than that if you are using this book to flesh out your information then I would recommend it to most people. Just my two cents... |
I like the book myself, it is very interesting to say the
least. |
i have it and i can say that it is
decent. |
very good book, he seems to have some " different " techniques from
some other people , but they are pretty user friendly, heheheheh
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Though take warning: If you start working with his spirits, I
reccomend you work with the angels or olympian spirits. Ive heard a few
horor stories from some of the others. |
Summoning Spirits
To Anyone who has read the book Summoning Spirits:The magical art of
evocation and has conjured a spirit named FRUCISSIERE.Please email me at
javon@ekit.com Thanks Spirit |
Frucissiere
Spirit, I have recently summond Frucissiere to aid me in creating Talismans with great success . My limited interaction with this entity has been very possitive. Malachius |
I just got done evoking "chassad" from this book. Ill post my
experience later tonight. |
Ahh Malachius, didn't you feel
something wrong about Frucissiere as I did. I didn't feel comfortable
around him; I mean I don't feel comfortable around any entity except for
Haniel. He had some eerie energy around him and I felt that he wasn't
showing his true self, I felt like there was something in him. I can't
really explain it and when I asked about it, he wouldn't answer my
question. I truly feel that Frucissiere is really dangerous.
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Ashnook also recommended it to me, and I'm about finished with my
first thorough reading. It's definitely filled with great information
needed for the practicing magician. The lists of beings to work with are
GREAT, as there is a good variety. I second the belief that you should
start with the angels. Also, remember that this isn't the beginning and
end of ceremonial magic. This isn't the ONLY way to practice, and you
should keep that in mind. Work with different methods, see what works for
you. |
Archangel Michael
Hey Check this out Last night when I astral projecting just hovering around somewhere over Japan. I saw the ARCHANGEL MICHAEL. At first I thought i was seeing things, then I flew near him. We talked abit and he said it was a rare sighting for me to see him(boy was I shocked) unfourtunley we couldnt talked more becuase he evoked by somone. But I felt so happy and at peace for the whole day just for seeing him(cuase he was the first spirit I ever evoked in my life with no success) |
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Which is contrary to what others have said, that evoked beings can be in more than one place at a time. I can hardly imagine a casual chat with the Archangel Michael! "Fear not!" :D |
Hovering??? Just taking a walk over Japan ???? 1) A spirit can easily change its shape to trick you (you can do that to!!!), it¨s a common occurence. 2) Most Astral Projection techniques can¨t fully banish pure projections from the subconscious. And when I say the majority, I mean the majority. About KONSTANTINOS¨ SUMMONING SPIRITS: Well, I have tried his 5-step training. It is possible to achieve completion of step 4 , scrying, after hard work but his astral projection would need A LOT of time and work. I don¨t think that it should have been with the other steps, but as something special, because this way it gives the impression that AP can be achieved in 2 weeks. Well, it CAN¨T, in the majority of cases, mine included. . .. ... and my experience shows that 1 week for the first images in the magic mirror, 1o minute practice a day, is FAR TOO optimistic, but doable. It¨s a how-to guide. If one wants to have one, why not???? The only thing that pisses me is the ¨craft the tools and elemental weapons, buy a cheap sword, do a consecration ritual and you¨re a magician¨ attitude. But that¨s just me, I found the book just fine for it¨s purpose. Have you noticed that there are not ¨inspired¨ works nowadays but only these ¨how-to¨ guys??? Well, I¨m satisfied with Crowley, Bardon, Levi and co., but it¨s this bloody ¨fast food¨ way of life. Why can¨t magick be excluded from this??? I don¨t want it to be taught in open seminars like the majority of the ¨New Age¨ fluffy stuff!!! Show some mercy! |
I agree about the eerie feeling concerning Frucissiere. However, I
would say all or at least most of these entities are dangerous to work
with. You have to have a real need & be ready for anything that might
occur. One thing of which you may be certain - payment for this type of
entity's services will most definately come due. As for Frucissere hidding
something - most of these entities are liars and will trick you if you are
not carefull BTW - I think your Necroman. lessons are top notch - you deserve the thanks & appreciation of all. Please give my regards to Haniel - a truly wonderous entity Malachius |
I liked this book, gave history lessons and
alll! |
Thank you for that nice compliment, Haniel was one of my second
spirit that I ever evoked and I felt protected by her, maybe it was her
hypnotic green eyes, or her gentle, but sometime strict
personality. Frucissere made me feel really weird and somewhat drawn to him as he seemed to be drawn to me and my oboth, my oboth seemed to start reacting to Frucissere and his presense in the house. I thought that maybe Frucissere was trying to manipulate my oboth into trying to get to me. I sware that he was hidding something within his being. P.S. It seems using my Oboth made my evocation much stronger... :-D |
Well it wasnt a trick. I did ask him to sighn his name and
sigil |
Lets pretend for a minute that Fruciserre is a hollywood celebrity. I
go to a convention to meet (evoke) him and he's totally cool and signs
everything. A friend goes to a movie opening or something the following
week and when he meets ol' Fruc' he gets brushed off rudely. maybe he was
in a bad mood when you summoned him. maybe a line was drawn slightly
wrong. heck (and I mean no offense) maybe he just disliked you. In other
words we are subject to any possibility when interacting with humans of
any and every kind,; entities are no different. "devils to some angels to
others". Ever notice the more alike or attuned people are to one another
the more similarities there are in their experience? So likely people with
probs handling fruc' might be like you. Maybe you can talk to spirits that
would despise the average person who knows. Well, just food for
thought. |
kirk88 ) If you evoke a demon from something as dark as the
Grimoirium Verum, and pick the demon which "revives the dead", then no
wonder it's a creepy guy. The fact that Konstantinos doesn't even give proper references to the "spirits" he's listing is a warning flag to me. |
Spirit
Hey understand that the author Kostantinos is a conjurer himself. But
why wont he FULLY discribe spirits abilitys and task. For example... today
I conjured up the great fire king DIJIN. He gave me a ritual to obtain a
fire power. Not only does he give out rituals needed for sucess, but
rituals of power(in a firey manner of course |
Often
times a spirit will ask you not to reveal what he has told you. Also there
are many things the spirit can do that is not always
listed... Just an idea. |
Spirits are unpredictable. You literally are "playing with fire" when
you step into that circle. You never know what could happen so the goal is
to be prepared to deal with anything. To feel the Divine force of love
flow through you. (this all merely MHO) and fill yourself with love and
prayer. As I feel the atmosphere changing--even if you are summoning a
totally benign spirit--it feels creepy! You have to charge through that!
If you are truely afflame with prayer and love, the entity will know this
and will treat you with respect. That said that doesn't mean they won't do
that just to gain your trust. Or test your circle anyway. Maybe it was
just curious about your circle? maybe their like kidnapping victims trying
to wiggle free of the hanndcuffs while talking to you very carefully. I
guess the bottom line is you must be the one in
control. |
Malachius
Hey Malachius Did you get your privrate messages. I been trying to contact you for some time. Spirit |
I still don't know why Fruciserre was trying to f**k with my oboth,
thats my dead spirit he needs to go out and find him his own.
:lol: |
I would really like to know what is an oboth... By the way, make a little search in Simon´s Necronomicon. There´s a Spirit who teaches you how to know if someone (including other Spirits) is lying to you. In the 2nd part of the Konstantino´s book, while listing Entities, he also shows a Spirit that does it. I can´t remember his Name now. May you have success, Lawrence "Diablo" Leon |
Yes, you gotta have an Oboth to do evocations! If I remember
correctly, some perverted soul a few months ago summoned YHVH Adonay and
put his sigil with sulphur and what not in a box, forcing God to only
allow future evocations using an Oboth. Pretty kinky, if you ask me. I
just use an empty beer bottle, it works
fine. |
Thats what I thought you all were referring to as "oboth" . . . a
bottle or some water container . . . ? I've never heard of "having to have a oboth to evoke" . . . . where do you reference this device? As per the thread topic, it isn't part of K's book. (I know its mentioned in the bible, but I doubt thats your source) (Beer bottle!! . . . sounds tunafish can lid'ish :) ) (someone needs to google find that thread and reposted it, its a classic . . . really, it is) |
You do NOT need an oboth in order to evoke. It may work for some, but
I have not been having any trouble performing successful evocations
without one. Hell, half the time, I use next to no tools at all! And, I highly doubt that "YHVH" is trapped and under the command of some magician. Personally, I think those of us here who practice would have noticed this. :roll: Ah, Shang Tsung's classic "NOOOOOOOOOOOO! Failed my first evocation experiment! SUX" thread. Looking back, I feel kind of assinine for giving him a hard time.:lol: |
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93 Say what? Oboth? Summoning/binding YHVH ADNI? You are joking, right? LOL. My personal opinion is that Konstantinos is a flake, and his books of limited value. I say limited simply because (like most books on magick nowadays) they are a rehashing of other works (with some slight variations). I agree with YHVH in his assessment of the immersion of the occult into the "fast food mentality". WIth the amount of crap available purporting to be "authoritative" texts on magick, it is no wonder we are seeing such an influx of the delusional and unbalanced. IMO of course. Now, if you'll excuse me I'm just off to evoke Choronzon and force him to do the dishes......what's that? You don't wanna do the dishes?!?!? But I command you!!!!...Arrrggghhhh!!! Who'd have thought those well-manicured nails could rip through my throat so easily??...gurgle...gurg...gu..... :evil: 93 93/93 Todd |
Actually, in a bit of a perverse way, I found Shang Tsung's thread to
be a learning experience for me. Almost as much as Lady H's . . . of
course, in a far different way (we love you lady!) Perhaps there is a value in the "fast food"-centric approach to todays magick. In the old days, dumbasses were avoided by making magick overly complex and throwing in blinds. Maybe those same dumbasses today find magick ineffective via shortcuts and two month crash-courses in evocations designed for instant grat little kids. (sorry if this is offensive. I just don't believe in the McWorld for kids) |
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I feel like a Japanese tourist, in the middle of London, surrounded by englishmen. Who's Shang Tsung, where is his thread, etc, etc??????? I searched it on google, found the thread, but the infamous ERROR page appeared (http error or something). Can someone give me a general idea???? |
Okay now I have to ask. What is an
oboth? |
Isn´t it some type of Alchemical
Notarikon? |
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