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10-31-2004, 12:21 AM |
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Advice on The Lesser Key of
Solomon
Tonight I am going to perform a conjuration of a
spirit located in this book.This is my first time. What
will I need? Im pretty sure I got everything but always
like to double check.
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10-31-2004, 12:29 AM |
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I think instead of checking for tools, you should
check yourself. Are you everything you need? Do you
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10-31-2004, 12:30 AM |
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I'd reread the book a few more times if I were
you. Can you detail your Magickal Evolution? You
know, the books you've read, years of experience,
whether you've performed past Evokations of this sort in
the past and if you have, which girmoires you've used,
etc. Give us the raw-deal, share with us the
details so we know better how to advise you in such
matters. Alright, thanks!  Love, Me |
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10-31-2004, 01:32 AM |
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Confidence
Hey there
Alpha&Omega,
In
everything I have ever gone on to undertake, I have
found confidence to be The Key. This, too, was my late
father's advice to me when I was a teenager. I have
found that one can walk very dangerous paths other
people do not go if one has confidence. Unlike courage,
confidence takes time to develop rather than opportunity
to employ.
Thoughts you
may wish to consider.
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the heavens fall. |
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10-31-2004, 02:46 AM |
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I have just started in studying magic and Crowley
books are the first books I have read.I have just about
a week ago started to Read Magick without tears and is
on about page 70 I have the books Libel 777, Magick
without Tears, The Tao Teh King, Liber THE EQUINOX Vol.
No.ASCII VERSION,The book of Law,and Book of Lies. But
some I have not even looked at. I have mastered dream
recall and ever since a little child I have deja vu
alot. And thats about it Thanks
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10-31-2004, 03:23 AM |
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To put it bluntly, your not ready.
To put it
another way, what your attempting to do is like trying
to fly a 747 jumbo jet after reading a few books on the
Wright brothers, and building a rubberband powered model
airplane.
It's time for you to practice the
basics.
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10-31-2004, 04:56 AM |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Alpha&Omega
Tonight I am going
to perform a conjuration of a spirit located in
this book.This is my first time. What will I
need? | Got your
tuna can lid and your rubber skeleton? Maybe I
shouldn't have said that, but frankly I now have great
difficulty treating you seriously, A&O. Five days
ago you were asking the most basic questions. That's OK.
Everyone starts from some point. But now you think
you're ready to start evoking. Have you bothered
to actually read any of the responses people have
taken the time to give you? Have you bothered to
actually read any of the reams of stuff on here
concerning evocation? What will you need? Hmmm...
perhaps a clue would be useful? But wait a
minute. If you do this and Belial doesn't pop up
in your bedroom to grant you the ability to shoot
fireballs from your eyes, will you give up and go
away? If so, off you jolly well go, matey. But
make sure you've got a stick... "just in case".
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10-31-2004, 06:44 AM |
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I must agree with the nay-sayers above. If
everything you have posted on the forums is true then
you are not ready. You have been asking the most
basic of questions which shows you have no experience.
Goetic evocation really requires a highly
experienced practitioner and that's not you. You
really need to know yourself pretty well too, prior to
undertaking this sort of work. This doesn't seem to be
you either as you have publicly gone from a "Beginner
Necromancer" trying to choose between summoning an
"Indian" and summoning an ancestor, to a student of
Aleister Crowley, to a conjuror of demons for the
purposes of revenge... all in under a
month!!! You also need a good reason to perform
this operation, and you've admitted your real motive is
to "get back at
someone".
You are far more likely to do yourself damage than your
target if you try to perform any ritual with that
attitude in combination with your lack of
experience. I mean no offence, I'm just advising
as I think is correct and in keeping with your
Introduction post where you asked for "some advice and
guideance to what i should and shouldnt do." Still... if
you go ahead with the summoning and manage to
crawl back to your keyboard afterwards, let us know how
it went 
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10-31-2004, 09:54 AM |
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Thank you all for the great advice. It has helped
me understand myself a lot more.
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10-31-2004, 11:00 AM |
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Well, if you're going to do it anyway, make sure to
banish afterward. Even if you don't think anything
happened. |
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10-31-2004, 11:53 AM |
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I don't like to admit this; in voice to the posts
above, but I am in agreeance with these individuals as
well. I am glad to hear that you've started out
by reading Crowley, this is a *very* crucial thing to
do, as far as I am concerned; for the fact that Crow
writes in a way which debases much of the Occult "Lore"
and tells it like it is...this in itself paves the way
for higher understanding. I commend you on this
interest. As far as Summing the Goetic Entities
go...what a few above have already mentioned: that you
must know yourself a bit more, is too, a VERY crucial
step in regards to developing the power of your Will and
Occult Gnosis. I'd recommend practising a few basis
Ceremonial Rituals before moving on to the Goetia, such
as: The Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram
(perform daily), Liber Resh, The Middle Pillar exercise
(for visualization and chakra-work related
purposes...which is essential), and then move on to
"Liber Samekh". Move gently with these Rituals,
and do not rush them...There is a danger to those who
are welcomed to The Light too quickly(this danger is
hallucination or hysteria); it is a gentle process...you
will know when at certain times it would be in your best
interests to move forward, or to slow down. Once
you have gained a basic grounding in these Rituals, I
would then study the Elemental attributions in relation
to one another; the symbolism at each Quarter (or
Cardinal Direction), this work I would undertake by
reading Crowley's Magnum Opus "Magick: Book 4" if you
already haven't. Once you have gained solid
ground in this way, I would read about the basic history
of the Enochian Language, how it was derived, by who, in
what era...just to gain familiar ground; and THEN I
would download Aleister Crowley's vocalizations of the
Enochian Keys, you may find these available on a
filesharing network of any sort...I would do this to
gain a familiarity with the language, and practise the
first Call/Key in a way mimicing Crowley's own
vocalization. Then, my friend, after reading the
Goetia yet another time (to make sure that you have
every essential and important Tool prepared for the
Ritual which you wish to undertake), THEN, I believe you
will be ready to undertake such an
Operation. And...I say this for your protection:
Do NOT perform a "bullying" stunt on someone that you
don't like, simply because they did something "mean" to
you...only perform such an action if your life is in
jeopardy, if they are attempting to Seriously end your
life, than; in this instance, the goal is not to play
around, but to obliterate them at all costs. Do not
perform rituals which fuel the Ego; this in itself is a
willed act of illusion...if you gain money from an
operation, make sure it benefits you spiritually, and
thence removes a part of the Ego from yourself
permanently. Remember to BANISH!  With Love, Peter PAN |
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10-31-2004, 06:13 PM |
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Quote:
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sorry I'd missed the thread where A&O explained what
his interest in the occult, Crowley etc. is really
about. Tell me, A&O, why haven't you just got
a gun and shot this person who has annoyed you? Where
you live, that shouldn't be too difficult a
task. Despite some evidence to the contrary, I
suspect you haven't done that because you're not
completely stupid and you realise such an act would have
serious consequences. Perhaps you think the most
important of those is someone shoving a needle in your
arm while you're strapped to a gurney with a bunch of
very unsympathetic people as an audience. Given that
you're on OF, perhaps you also believe that such an act
of violence would have serious non-mundane
consequences. Why do you appear to believe that
the psychic/magick/whatever equivalent of trying to
shoot this person is something you can do easily and
with impunity? Do you really think you can attack
someone and not suffer any consequences? (Right: that's
the prompt for a bunch of bad-ass Satanists - and
wannabees - to materialise and say you can. Believe them
if you want. Your call.) I suggest you consider
whether you can reframe the problem. Is there a way to
use what you can learn on OF, from Crowley etc to stop
whatever you don't like affecting you as it is? An
example that comes immediately to mind: if someone is
bullying you, is there some way to make him just stop
noticing you?
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Fed up with the effort
required to find nuggets of value amongst the lakes of
drivel from
Harry Potter wannabees,
credulous neurotics and self-obsessed Goths,
I stopped visiting Occult
Forums on 15 November 2004.
I now devote my time to a
course of study in the Golden Dawn tradition.
More importantly, I am
focussed on practising, not chattering about
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10-31-2004, 06:51 PM |
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93 Every so often, posts of this type come
up.......rather than cut and paste the same thing over
and over, I've condensed it into three words - "Learn or
burn" If you start posting on the evils of sugar,
or that you are the earthly incarnation of Set, then we
can assume the latter to be the case  93 93/93 Todd |
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10-31-2004, 09:26 PM |
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Well when I first posted a few of these threads I
did not know anything about magic nothing.But all my
life I wanted to learn magic and finally have the
oppurtunity to do so.But i really didnt know where to
start so went around the internet and found a lot of
spells but i was sure that you couldnt just follow the
instruction and something big could happen Well hell
then every body would be casting spells on everybody am
i wrong?Finally I came upon OF and looked around the
website for about a week and thought I could get a lot
of good advice and could learn in general. So I stayed.
About the person I wanted to hurt,I realized that he
wasnt worth something bad to me and somewhat forgave
him.But what I did do was when I saw him told him I was
casting spells on him (which I am not) Through the grape
vine he is a little hysterical. I am now noticing that
you must learn to swim before you can surf.
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11-01-2004, 12:10 AM |
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Friend, I am glad to hear that you're progressing
and becoming a stronger person as a result of such
previous experience...BUT
...What exactly did
this guy do to make you even consider casting a spell on
him in the first place? I wish to understand your
situation a little
better. _______________________
Serious
Magick; my friend, concerns the Annihilation of the Ego.
The Ego, if you weren't already aware, is a composite of
every emotion which further seeks to lead us away from
the Spiritual Path of gaining Gnosis and Insight. In
your experience above, I would assume that you felt
emotions of anger, and/or hate towards this guy
(possibly still do)- seek to harness these emotions, and
Still them. This is Magick-to attain control of your
mind. These sudden and almost immediate instances in
which we feel ourselves diverging from the Spiritual
Path; these are the moments in which to remain cautious,
to do what you must to Still them, to master them and
gain control over them.
This should be your
immediate goal, not to (as you've now realized), cast a
spell on him; or throw the Black Souls of Hades upon
him.
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Another topic worthy
of discussion: Don't reveal your interest in Magick,
that is, unless you wish to keep people (around you) "on
their toes", and due to ignorance of the subject, look
down on you as an individual. An aire of Subtlety is
*very* important, not just in War, but in Life as well.
To be unseen, to maneuvar right through the crowd as if
you were just like them...to not be as them, to pass
through undetected.
_____________
A Word
of Caution: due to the continual rise in "Wicca"
practicioners in high schools nowadays, you may meet a
series of individuals that don't know what they're
talking about when it comes to Magick-you may piss
someone off by doing something as simple as not saying
hello in the hallway when you pass them on your way to
biology, or talking shit behind a friend's back-and they
may become distempered, they may try to throw things
against you for the hell of it. And, at times, when
you enter a new environment; and someone who is also a
Magickian may wish to throw something at you (because
they know you're a Witch) just to see how you can tackle
what they've thrown at you...to see what level you're
at. Trust me G, these bitches have some serious
teen-angst, and as a result, you will be a victim of
their little "power
trips". ______________
Another thing i'd
advise against, is to say something like you've casted a
spell on someone (even if you didn't). Once again, you
have ruined the element of surprise. And...let me
posit a question:
What happens, if, in a few days
he gets in a car crash and dies? What happens when a
few of his friends that are dear to him hear that *you*
casted a spell on him a few days ago? They will hold YOU
responsible, believing that you did it (that is, if they
are not adept enough to trace the link) and will
retaliate against you as a result. And, chances are,
there are individuals that know of more dangerous forms
of Ceremonial Magick than these "spells" you're getting
off of the internet.
_________
I don't say
these things to hurt you, I say these things to help
you: because I love you-and I always will.
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11-01-2004, 03:20 AM |
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Well the reason i want this person hurt and
tormented is because he is a doctor and my grandmother
was in a local supermarket and was hit in the head by a
box or something heavy on a shelf hit her on the head
and damaged her body bad and lead to not being to get
around because of the pain she was like 88 and people
that old not being to get around usally lose a lot of
years of life which what happened she had a good court
case and she was to get some kind of physical to see the
damaged done and you know old people they talk to much
tricked her and pressured her into saying she asked me
and my brother to get a ham out the back of the car and
we said no and she got it out herself which never
happened. Which screwed up the case and left what
medicare couldnt cover for my grandmother to pay. And I
want payback on that doctor. I Have currently moved
though and I am tryin to move on and forget that stuff I
was in Alexandria,Louisiana so what ever down ther i
dont really care about. That is why i rushed into all
that summoning demon stuff ut I did not realizr the way
and the concept of magic.
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11-01-2004, 04:50 AM |
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With regards to the summoning of Goetic "demons" I
would advise that you seriously consider what it is you
are going to do and I IMPLORE you not to summon them out
of curiosity (especially if you were a cat once upon a
time)  You must treat them with the utmost
respect as you yourself would wish to be treated and
there are many factors which being new you may overlook
in your inexperience. Like summoning them into a
triangle but imposing an "uncomfortable" restraining
energy upon it... that would be disrespectful and quite
bad for you if you were to upset your guest in such a
manner. As stated above by many I would slow your
role before attempting such a feat and make sure you are
fully armed with the knowledge to deal with such a
situation should it
manifest. Regards, -C.J. |
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11-01-2004, 08:03 AM |
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Thank you AT for your advice but I have
reconsidered summoning for a while.
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Remember
You always gain experience from a screwed up
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11-01-2004, 09:54 AM |
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Fluxer what happened to make your summoning go
wrong?
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Quote:
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93 Every so
often, posts of this type come up.......rather
than cut and paste the same thing over and over,
I've condensed it into three words - "Learn or
burn" If you start posting on the evils of
sugar, or that you are the earthly incarnation of
Set, then we can assume the latter to be the case
 93
93/93 Todd | Wow
Todd, at first I thought that was a little harsh but the
more I have thought about it the more I agree. We should
have that written across the top of the CM forum.
That what does not kill you, only makes
you goofy in the
head.............
__________________ Numen Expecto Reputo
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Except Adonai build the
house, their labor is but lost that build it. Except
Adoni keep the City, the Watchman waketh in
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93 Dear Nero, Yeah, it sounds harsh,
but actually isn't - the best way to learn is through
mistakes! I think it was Rupert Murdoch (or maybe Kerry
Packer) who summed up their attitude to life with
"Always bite off more than you can chew, then chew like
hell!" A great motto, IMO  93 93/93 Todd |
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I believe the best course of action would be to
read up on healing spells/techniques/rituals for your
grandmother. Forget the summoning for now until you have
studied more and practiced some basices, like the LBRP.
You could actually ask an archangel to look after your
grandmother from now on. That would work too. Best of
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11-04-2004, 07:33 AM |
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Thank you
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this is weird cuz just a few days ago i was looking
at a simple spell for that sorta thing, a spell to the
Old Ones, . i did have some success with this one i used
against this drug dealer who really wanted to f*^k me
up, but i got some back lash from the ordeal too.
Anyways i can get that technique typed out for ya, and
proceed 2 your own risk, and my wire and needle
technique can do alot of damage too, but ill send the
first one. also a friend of mines used a ritual called "
the Haunting ", on some people and when it was over they
were terrified to go into their own apartment. im not
sure if its the best thing to do, but what you do with
the information is your biz.. ' Baz... |
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11-05-2004, 04:55 PM |
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Baz, may you send me these Rituals through the
Private Messaging feature? I'm open to
study. __________________________ Qul: Huw-Allahu
ahad; Allahu samad; lam yalid wa lam yulad; wa lam
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I was drunk and took no precuations. I had little
will to control or fight. The demon did attack for 3
days thoe, so it was a very quick learning
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Fluxer) Now, that's just weird. Which demon
was that, and how did he attack you? And why? Did you
treat him badly? Do you do any regular banishings, or
have you done in the past?
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