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[Evocation] What We Have
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This one
geared towards newbies.It would be very nice
and save lot's of our time and newbies if all of us take
some time here to pool out our knowledge and resources
into this thread on what we have learned on evocations
and it' s related subjects. Short to the point
summaries pls. (should save a lot of
us some time instead of reading every thread on OF and
gather bits and pieces of this
info)What I have
learned:1. Study the theory
before the praxis!(I AM recommended me
Kybalion and Magick in Theory and Practice which had
prepared my first steps into
magick)2. Daily basic
rituals to empower your divinity, faith, believes and
power.3. Elementals are the
"easiest" entity to evoke for
newbie.4. Summoning Spirits
is the most popular initiation into evocations, but
Bardon's IIH is the way to
adepthood.5. Do not summon
Lucifer for obvious reasons ;p6. Do not sit in the
triangle! or morph your own face on black
mirror7. Invoke often and
inflame thyself with prayers8. When someone/book
said, sacrifice a virgin kid or anything like that, it
meant to be body liquid/sperm, NOT a human
sacrifice.9. There is no such
thing as a quick fix.10. Develop astral
sense and evoke astrally first.11. Selling your soul
and blood sacrifice is way off
limits!12. Be nice and
respectful with the demons but YOU are in
charge.13. Meditate often
and get in touch with your higher
self.14. Evocation to pyshical manisfestation is best
done out in nature or close to the ground, ie: basement,
forest, beach, etc. Evoking from your apartment on the
13th floor for instance will distort
manifestation.15. Demons
will test your circle. Make sure it will
hold.16. How to make the circle hold? Answer: Faith,
divinity, inflame thy self with prayers, invoke often,
imagination and lot's of
practices.17. Evocation is not
for kids, ignorance or the weak of heart. Stop bothering
us with silly chicken questions.18. Like PaulS from
OF Witchcraft forum said: Magick works, but it is not
the only way!19. Always banish
before and after evocations, even when you assume it was
unsuccessful evocation.20. Always ID the
entity properly you are summoning. Banish it if you got
a wrong number and try dialing again one more time. Try
another day if still
unsuccessful.21. Use the correct
incense and other correspondences for each entities. ie:
prepare the fishbowl with the correct water and
environtments for the kind of fish you're
after!22. Learn to raise
and manipulate energies.23. When you can,
"pick" up the entity from the astral and help bring it
down to the physical plane. 24. Entity sigil
functions in a similar way to a cell phone number.
Expect occasional "no
signal/busy/mailbox"25. Entity sigil are
usually destroyed after desired result is manifested -
burn, buried, thrown to body of
water.26. Result manifested
will usually happens by sets of "normal"
coincidences.27. Do not Invoke
negative entities for obvious
reasons.28. Some people treat
some demons like retarded child with superhuman
powers.29. You may NOT get
what you want, you WILL get what you deserve >
interpret that anyway you like 30. Start studying
the Qabalah! for me chicken Qabalah is the "easiest"
book ever.31. Don't get cheap
with books. Knowledge IS power. Invest that money to
build up your own occult library. Amazon.com clients!
pls use my site (http://www.astralsense.com/) Education is the most important thing you'll
ever invest on ANY part of your
life.32. Demons and angels cannot tell between right
or wrong (we human had eaten the tree of knowledge),
they are NOT good nor evil , but they will do what they
do. Use this to YOUR advantages > interpret this
anyway you like 33. Demons submit NOT
to you, but to the divinity within you. - probably also
with a hidden agenda, but I wouldn't have a clue 34. Conjurations
should be done in a commanding, yet respectful tone.
Hold your ground.35. Different system
works better than the other, find one suitable to
you.36. Make your own magick and rituals. YOU are the
MAGICK and the STAR. KNOW this. BE IT. Fake it till you
make it. "The only limits to our
Magick are our own..." - I AM
37. How does "faith"
developed? with time and "re-enforcements": information
> opinion > belief > faith >
conviction.38. Learn astral
projection. Robert Bruce's "Astral Dynamics" is the
current best book on the subject and there's a lot of
usefull energy raising manipulation exercises can be
found there.39. Rewards given to
entity: respect, sigil made from material of entity
choice/element, energy, a small amount of body
liquid/blood(must be disassociated first from you),
certain housing to place it's sigil, lighting a candle
in appreciation for result/s, etc40. Triangle can be
made from cardboard, circle from rope, ducktape, stone,
or flour. Butter knife as dagger, your broom as staff,
whatever works for YOU.41. Get familiar and
understand the meaning of the words of power. Ignorance
rarely gives power. 42. Learn to skry!
Read and practice: Benjamin Rowe's "A Short Course in
Scrying"43. The fastest
newbie successfull evocation in my knowledge is done
after 3 months of training. Expect at least a year until
you're ready. Remember, no quick fix, no miracles
either. Expect to work hard to gain result. Magick is
not the only way to solve your
problem/s.44. Drugs is a major
no no! Good magician are the healthy
ones.45. While beginning your basic rituals, try not
to "find" your rituals tools, let them find
you.46. Magick is the ancient physiology and
psychology of change. Try NLP for a
change!47. Learn to be and
stay in trance at will (no xtacy please) or "state of
bliss"48. Project your
will, intent and energies toward the triangle/black
mirror to help manifest the entity (lending
energies).49. Learn to
consecrate your tools properly.50. Repetition is the
mother of skills ~ Anthony
Robbins51. Clean your aura
daily and often!52. Dangers of
evocation are usually depressions, and other mental
health problems, when malicious demons will enter your
weak aura and temper with your vibrations Death are rare, but happens to disrecpectful
few.53. When training to meditate, USE distractions
to your advantage. 54. Magick, such as
evocation happens FIRST on the astral before it
manifested on the physical plane. As above so
below.55. If you're
ashmatic, use a gas mask or diver's equipment to prevent
the incense choking you to death lol jk guys..56. Demons/entity may
"look" differently from one mage to another. Part of
them are inside your mind > based on your perception
at the same time they are OUTSIDE of your
mind.57. You'll get exactly what you believe. ie:
banishment or any magick will not work if you have no
faith it IS working. It's all mind > learn to control
your own brain!58. Work and open up
all your 7 chakra's to aid you to raise energy and more!
It is probably the 7 seals mentioned on Revelation
chapter of the bible. Open the chakra's at your own
risk.59. There is no guarantee evocation or magick
will work for you, but you can change your perception
into making magick works for you. Persistence, change
and perception is key.60. There are no
"Greater and Lesser" Keys of Solomon. This is part and
parcel of the myth that the "Lesser Key" deals with
demons while the "Greater Key" deals with Angels. They
are not two books in a set- they are merely two books
within a similar Tradition. One is called the "Key of
Solomon the King", and the other is called the
"Lemegeton or Key of Solomon". BOTH of them present
operations to summon earth- bound spirits or demons.
~Aaron Leitch61. Necronomicon is
fake and so is your perception of the world, but it will
work out great for you if you only have faith
~Me!62. Chaotes believed laughter is the "best"
banishment, why is this so? Laughter, like it's lesser,
crying is an emotion that creates release. Banishment,
release, understand the connection?
~ChaosTech63. When one
understands that THEY are the Circle, then it cannot be
broken. One should also understand that they are also
the BANISHING ~ I AM64. Your subcouncious
cannot tell the difference between what is real and what
is imagined. Most "magick" is done by and with the
subconcious. Again, fake it till you believe it.
Repetition IS the mother of all
skills!65. In relation to
above, delusions are very closely associated with
practicing magick, don't lose your mind and do reality
check. 66. Ritual equipment
is only an aid to focusing the mind and nothing
else.67. Never do or say anything that you do not
fully understand. When you understand something, you
remove the chances of failure. Study the theory before
the praxis!68. Magick is the art
of getting to know about energies and learning how to
use it. Elemental energies and everything else comes
from one source. Like a laser is composed of various
colors. 69. KNOWING the
magick is all about faith and beliefs. Positive failth
will bring positive results. Go on..delude yourself
lol.. Magick is the science of using and understanding
the power of the subconcious
mind.70. No such thing as instant magick. No free
lunch either. Patience, persistence and regular practice
is key.71. You do not NEED
to see the entity you're evoking. You only need to KNOW
that it's there. You evoke it to COMMAND it and NOT to
explore a vision.72. Every aspect of
evocation must be on the magician's terms. Watch your
OWN mind while communicating with the entity/demons, and
learn to differentiate the
difference.73. If you're worried
your conjuration will not work, then chances are it
won't.74. Bare evocation
tools: Circle, and Triangle + Seals +
wand/staff/dagger/sword/spoon +
Insanity.75. A link must be
established first with the entity through it's sigil and
it's name by entering gnosis before you can have a
successful evocation. 76. I am very
suspicious of any demon, even an imp, as they are as
innocent as a snake in a rat farm and as clever as a fox
- LadyHydralisk77. How does one "hear"
the entity? Think of the last time your mom talks to
you, you should hear her voice on RIGHT side of your
mind. 78. How do you felt
entities presence? Think of the feeling when someone
peeks over your shoulder. Think of an invisible person
in front of you.79.
will edit and add more when I
learn new info or as I remembers
them...PS: I should take my
own medicine lol....PSS: There's a
different between knowing the theory and KNOWING the
magick.You're not ready to evoke when...
1. You still ask what
is the basic rituals.2. You question the
strength of your circle.3. You cannot sense
your circle/astral sense to communicate with the
entities.4. You are affraid of
darkness and demons.5. You have little to
no idea on how to astrally protect
yourself.Whew! that was fun
Even if I've
mentioned it in this post, doesn't mean you cannot
repeat it in your own words or voice your disagreements.
People learn things differently and we all as a big
family are here to learn something from each other,
filling in the blanks 
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Your notes
are matching mine....which leads me to believe you are
actually using my Thread Index :P<SNIP>EDIT: ADDED to my index Saddly I have a job (My
temp agency threatened to contenst my unemployment
unless I went to work ) ...but reading through the rest of the index
IS on my short term list...it'll just take a bit longer.
Though, once I'm done with it I'll gladdly add to the
list! (besides, I'm thinking of doing the same thing
down in Chaos cuz there is a few things I wanna learn
from them as well).It really does seem that
MANY of the threads in this forum DO teach a lesson and
I'm looking forward to learning all of
them!Q
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Wow kinjo! Readers digest of
CM OF. It reads like something else I have read before
but I cannot put my finger on it. That book Life's
Little Instruction Book maybe? Who knows. Regardless
this is a great job.
Quote:
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You question the strength of your circle
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huge one. Even the slightest doubt is doubt. Do not
think, KNOW.
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This is a huge one. Even
the slightest doubt is doubt. Do not think,
KNOW.
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get to "KNOW" is my point no: 37. How "faith"
developed? with time and "enforcements": info >
opinion > belief > faith > conviction. We
need to enforced the info with "proves" which will turn
it into our own opinion, even more proves > belief
> faith > conviction you'll die for.
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Kinjo, that is a fantastic list. After you've added
more and it feels almost "complete" to me, I may print
it and tuck in with some of my evocation reading
materials. Sort of a crib sheet.  One thing I'm wondering is about
payment to the entity: why would a payment that seems so
minor to me be worth an entity helping me, say, gain
employment or some other biggie? PhoenixR |
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I do not agree with all the points above,
for example #1 or #5 or #25. (#57 and #61 are
dubious)
However, that doesn't in any way
diminish the value of the list. Good work!
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Quote:
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55. If you're
ashmatic, use a gas mask or diver's equipment to
prevent the incense choking you to death lol jk
guys.. | Well
I am not kidding, this is the most important thing to
remember.  But seriously, I agree with most of what you
have listed since it is geared towards newbies but it is
not entirely my way of doing this which I won't
recommend. 
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Nalyd23
Well I am not
kidding, this is the most important thing to
remember.  But seriously, I agree with most of what
you have listed since it is geared towards newbies
but it is not entirely my way of doing this
which I won't recommend.  | I
didn't titled this thread to "What I Have Learned" I'm
looking forward for others like you to share your way of
doing it. C'mon guys, I somehow felt a little
bit cheated if you don't post your ideas and what you've
learned  Pls share!
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Well done Kinjo, I admire your determination. |
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It is good
I am impressed, I think it will be
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"5. Do not summon Lucifer for obvious reasons
;p"
Find this slightly funny. None of you have
actually summoned the being Lucifer. So how would you
know if he is as powerful as you think he
is.
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I'm looking
forward for others like you to share your way of
doing it. | OK, you
asked for it. I will give you a recent entry off of my
blog (slightly modified to fit here) that sums up my
methods to a certain extent. There seems to be
what I consider a common misunderstanding about Magick
among the "true believer" cult, and what I consider a
misunderstanding may be a misunderstanding on my part
and I will openly admit that. The "true believers", to
me, are those who take the allegorical, metaphorical, or
symbolic imagery and language of systems literally. When
a Magickian speaks of a "demon" or an "elemental" or a
"spirit" they tend to think of them as quite literally,
objectively and physically "real". In some sense, yes,
they can be very "real" to someone but not in a literal
or scientifically verifiable objective sense, at least
not yet. This is why no one can take the Randi award for
proving the existence of the "paranormal", I have other
issues with that outside of this topic but that is
beside the point. Having practiced Magick for some time
I have seen no objective evidence of any of the
results I have gotten other than a lot of acausal or
coincidental events that I have personally interpretted
and applied meaning to. That is commonly called a
"synchronicity"and I call it Art. There is something
called the 5 Step Plan for evoking and banishing
a demon which I present as an example of how this
process works Magickally. The following comes
from HERE for those interested.
_____ If you are a smoking
magician, and there are many, and you wish you could
give up, try the following exercise. On the other hand,
if you don't want to give up, there is little point!
Part of the reason you may have failed to give up before
is because you never actually saw yourself as a
non-smoker, you were a smoker who was trying to give up.
The following exercise allows you to see yourself as
someone who was always a non-smoker, but who have been
possessed by a smoking demon. Step 1.
Identify your smoking habit as an external demon.
Recognise that you have been under possession from this
demon and that it will attack you if you try to give up.
Be confident that externalised its power will be
considerably weakened. The main way it tricked you
before was by pretending it was you and subverting your
actions from within. Step 2. Name the
demon. Be creative. One way is to use an appropriate
word and then reverse it to make it sound demonic.
Fagash becomes Fagashsagaf, Smog becomes Smogoms, Dogend
becomes Dogendnegod etc. Step 3. Create an
image or effigy of the demon. Draw a picture of it or
make a sculpture. If you're not a confident artist just
draw a cigarette with an evil face on it. Write its name
underneath. You could even draw the face on a real
cigarette if you have one left! Step 4.
Prepare a ritual, include the image inside. Perform an
evocation of the smoking demon. Calling it foul titles
whilst saying its name three times out loud, ought to be
sufficiently dramatic to work. Banish it back to the
foul and evil devil Tobacco. Burn or otherwise
destroy the effigy as you do so. Before finishing the
ritual in your usual manner, you could read out a
liturgy of all the bad health effects of making a pact
with the evil Tobacco devil, and all the environmental
damage he causes. Step 5. Being a smoker
may have been a large or significant part of your
persona. Having externalised and banished what you have
now recognised as an external demon may leave you
feeling a little empty or incomplete. This can be
remedied by starting a new habit/behaviour pattern, this
time a more healthy, environmentally friendly one. You
can even finish the ritual in step four with a
dedication to begin this new habit.
_____ I use similar
techniques for evocation all the time, sometimes
unconsciously. The example of smoker can be replaced
with anything. I think the above makes clear and
de-mystyfies a lot of what people seem to misunderstand
about Magick in general. It demonstrates how you can
"cause change to occur in conformity with Will" as
Aleister Crowley put it. A "powerful Magickian" is
someone who can make the above process actually work
and manifest the desired result. I do see the value
in some of the literal interpretation at times but
sometimes that kind of delusion can be a "demon" worth
evoking and banishing itself. I use typing thoughts on
my blog or here on OF as a form of evocation as well.
When I have some negative feelings, especially towards
another person who has rubbed me the wrong way, I will
type up everything I would want to say to that person
(evoking the demon), the more effort and more typing the
better, and just when I think I have said everything the
way I would want to say it and am close to publicly
posting it here or on my blog (releasing the demon to do
my dirty work and to hurt others), I delete it and laugh
it off (banish). Gone. The effort I put into it to
externalize this negative energy and then deleting it
effectively destroys the desire (the demon) to want to
bother with it again and the other person is unharmed
and I feel a lot better. If I were to release this demon
intentionally, like a lot of people do, I would be
practicing what is commonly called "black magic" in the
sense in which Crowley defined the term. "'Black
magic' is commonly conceived as a type of 'sorcery' or
'diabolism' intended to cause harm to other beings.
Crowley's conception of 'black magic' represents a
refinement of this common understanding of the term: he
defined black magic as magical work which does not serve
the aspirant's True Will; and he also held that it could
not be the True Will of any being to oppose the True
Will of another." SOURCE Sometimes, with the
help of a listening friend, I will evoke a demon in the
form of an email and send it out to have that person
help me effectively banish it, most of the time they
don't know they are actually helping me perform this
magickal ritual. Just by reading it and offering a kind
word back they have done their part. Invocation is kind
of the opposite of this. You usually invoke the
attributes you desire. Magickians a lot of times
represent these desires symbolically or archetypally as
gods/goddesses or deities of some sort but that is not a
required practice at all. Invocation symbolically draws
"in" these desired attributes and you become the living
personification of the archetype that is helpful to you
and sometimes not so helpful to you. In the 5 Step
Plan above, the addition of "starting a new
habit/behavior pattern" can be in the form of an
invocation. All of the warnings about doing these
exercises do have a foundation but a lot of
times, in my experiences, I think they are unwarranted
and are a fall back to old superstitions when people had
less of an understanding of their own minds than we do
today. Again, like I said, maybe I am
misunderstanding it. Magick works for me, I don't work
for it even though I do the work. In essence, I see
Magick and it's techniques, in the post-modern sense, as
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8.
When someone/book said, sacrifice a virgin kid or
anything like that, it meant to be body
liquid/sperm, NOT a human sacrifice.
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goat...While a substitute can
still likely be found there is a rather distinct
difference between a goat and semen.
Something I've learned...Sometimes words have
two meanings and it's best to know them both.
It would be a HORRIBLE mistake [ethically] to
think a ritual was refering to a human child when what
you really needed was some animal...of course a worse
mistake would be to sacrifice a child (animal/human)
when all you needed was
sperm.Q
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wow this is great, i think someone should make this
a sticky
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Great, great, great! Nalyd23! Hopefully others will
start sharing what have they learned soon!
Happy
New Years 2005 guys!
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Hmm... I bet I could come up with a good question
for each of those lessons learned. Like, for instance,
"make sure the circle will hold" = how?
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How? Practice LBRP twice daily. Good practice makes
perfect, good practice increases confident that the
circle truly existed. The LBRP is one of the foundation
of a good circle. When your faith hold, your circle will
hold.
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Born with our circle
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make
sure the circle will hold" = how?
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born with our circle which is our connection; we lose
this through conditioning in childhood often and we just
have to relearn the feeling of it and then strengthen
it. It is a personal experience
and the visualizations help us to 'see' it so that we
believe it. Once we know we really do have it, we can
now see when we are being tested and do something about
it, it will hold, because you WILL it to hold and make
the visualisation to help you see that you can withstand
the attacks.Just
because we were not aware of our circles before, does
not mean that we weren't tested, but the stronger you
get, the more attractive and noticeble you
are.Just my own experience and
thoughts really...
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"5. Do not summon
Lucifer for obvious reasons ;p"
Find this
slightly funny. None of you have actually
summoned the being Lucifer. So how would you know
if he is as powerful as you think he
is.
Hehehe
Kaymon | We
assume he is  second to God. Assuming in my own dictionary
were never a good term. Assume = ass u & me, but I
bet not many members in this forum is that desperate or
have a need to summon Lucifer "yet"  just to find out how powerful he is.
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What's so desperate about that? In fact, following
the tradition of the Grimoire Verum and the Abramelin
(and perhaps others too) we are required to
summon Lucifer and some other "head beasts" before
moving on to little demons. It makes sense,
really, to conjure the big beasts first, and then the
little ones will happily follow you. It would still be
Right Hand Path and in the name of the most holy etc.
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I would say that the "Lucifer" archetype qualifies
as a godform and would be very difficult to evoke but
not impossible. However, I would invoke such an entity
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There is something
called the 5 Step Plan for evoking and
banishing a demon which I present as an example of
how this process works
Magickally. | This is
one reason why Magick is the ancient psychology. I
will try to "convert" parts of your post into NLP if you
don't mind Nalyd23
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Step
1. Identify your smoking habit as an external
demon. Recognise that you have been under
possession from this demon and that it will attack
you if you try to give up. Be confident that
externalised its power will be considerably
weakened. The main way it tricked you before was
by pretending it was you and subverting your
actions from within. | In
NLP and psychology, it is well known that the
subconcious mind cannot tell the different between what
is real and what is imagined. When you IMAGINE yourself
VIVIDLY as a non-smoker often enough, your subconcious
will gradually accept this as reality and "adjust" your
concious mind accordingly. An athlete who simply add
this visualisation excercise consistently to supplement
their "rituals" will definetely add a significant edge
over their competitors who do not.
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Step
2. Name the demon. Be creative. One way is to use
an appropriate word and then reverse it to make it
sound demonic. Fagash becomes Fagashsagaf, Smog
becomes Smogoms, Dogend becomes Dogendnegod etc.
| Same technique used in
NLP is to reverse our ASSOCIATION. If we always enjoyed
smoking, then we will "never" succeed to quit the habit.
It will be painful. To reverse it, we will have to
imagine the worst of things about cigarette which
appropiately repels us most. In the end, when we're
successful in finding the right association and reverse
it, quiting smoking WILL be permanent, enjoyable and
painfree.
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Step
3. Create an image or effigy of the demon. Draw a
picture of it or make a sculpture. If you're not a
confident artist just draw a cigarette with an
evil face on it. Write its name underneath. You
could even draw the face on a real cigarette if
you have one left!
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steps. Change the REPRESENTATION of cigarettes to you.
From fun, relaxing, etc to YUCK!!! I HATE CIGARETTE! The
key here is to imagine the pictures and the unpleasant
feelings as vividly as you can.
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Step
4. Prepare a ritual, include the image inside.
Perform an evocation of the smoking demon. Calling
it foul titles whilst saying its name three times
out loud, ought to be sufficiently dramatic to
work. Banish it back to the foul and evil devil
Tobacco. Burn or otherwise destroy the effigy as
you do so. Before finishing the ritual in your
usual manner, you could read out a liturgy of all
the bad health effects of making a pact with the
evil Tobacco devil, and all the environmental
damage he causes. | On the
same theme, imagine yourself a happy NON-SMOKER who
wouldn't even consider to touch a ciggarette. In your
mind's eyes you trained yourself to always see and feel
vividly how cigarrete are bad for you > self hypnosis
your subconcious to believe it.
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Step
5. Being a smoker may have been a large or
significant part of your persona. Having
externalised and banished what you have now
recognised as an external demon may leave you
feeling a little empty or incomplete. This can be
remedied by starting a new habit/behaviour
pattern, this time a more healthy, environmentally
friendly one. You can even finish the ritual in
step four with a dedication to begin this new
habit. | When we
succesfully quite smoking entirely, something else must
replace the fun and the benefits we've once enjoyed
being a smoker. There will be a void to be filled. This
can be difficult for some people, as there's some
representation and association needed to be put in sync
with the old habit/s to recreate the pleasure. Some
tried gum, eating, drinking, etc. It's all about
dissasociation and creating new association which will
be determined by consistent vivid imagination of new
representational "system" to "trick" our subconcious to
believe/override old habits. When there's no "new"
pleasure to fill this void, then the old subconcious may
nag and temp you to crawl back to the old
pleasures. This is the reason of why we ARE the
magick. It all happens in the control center, the
subconcious IMO are similar to the astral plane, we need
to be a good programmer to override and write/improve
new program/s to something more suitable to manifest our
desire/s into the physical plane btw, NLP = Neuro Linguistic
Programming. I usually translate it simply as "the
manual of mind" and/or "other people's mind manipulator"
and/or "the science of peak performance" etc etc etc

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Yes people, do share. I would like to see how
others do this as well. Kinjo, I meant to post here
before about your analysis of my post. Not really much
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
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"5. Do not summon
Lucifer for obvious reasons ;p"
Find this
slightly funny. None of you have actually
summoned the being Lucifer. So how would you know
if he is as powerful as you think he
is.
Hehehe
Kaymon | I
have not summoned Lucifer to me but I have gone to him
in the astral. He is a very, very powerful being, and
very beautiful. He is not evil but there was no doubt he
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I would say that
the "Lucifer" archetype qualifies as a godform and
would be very difficult to evoke but not
impossible. However, I would invoke such an entity
if I were to want to use this principle. I read
your thread Grab, very interesting.  | I
have managed to come close to Lucifer by drawing his
sigil in Grimoire Verum in the astral and walking
through it. I agree he is a godform. He is
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Importance of Astral Senses
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magician or the person intending to busy himself
with magical evocation should know that without
the development of one's astral senses, especially
those of clairvoyance and clairaudience, a
successful evocation cannot be thought of. It
would be the same as if a blind man wanted to
follow an unknown street without a
guide.
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must always bear three principles in mind when he
wants to bring about a successful evocation: 1. If he
intends to call a spirit being of a certain sphere into
his sphere, no matter whether he calls it into the
triangle, the mirror, or into a fluid condenser, he must
bear in mind that the being is only able to move about
in an atmosphere appropriate to its own sphere. He
therefore must artificially create the spheric
atmosphere by accumulating the light, the material of
the sphere, either into the triangle, or preferably into
the whole room in which he is working. If working with a
magic mirror it has to be impregnated or condensed
respectively with the according light material of the
sphere. When operating in the open air, the
impregnation must be kept within such limits that the
beings or powers that are to manifest themselves have
sufficient room to move about. The accumulated or
impregnated light must have a colour which is in
accordance with the colour-law of the individual planet.
I have already given the reader and student a detailed
information on this question of impregnating or
accumulating light in space in "Initiation into
Hermetics" in the chapter dealing with
space-impregnation. If, for instance, a being of the
Moon-sphere is evoked outside oneself, the light, or
rather the material to be accumulated, must be of a
silvery white colour; in the case of a being of Mercury
the light-material must be opalescent; beings from Venus
must have a green, beings from the Sun a golden yellow,
from Mars a red, from Jupiter a blue, from Saturn a
violet light, etc. If, for instance, the magician
calls a being of the earth-element, he must get the
element of the earth into the magic triangle or the
magic mirror by the help of his imagination. If he wants
to call to him a being from the Moon, he must create the
vibration of the Moon sphere. No being is able to dwell
in a sphere not appropriate to it. If, in case of
citation, this principle is not adhered to, a being
might be forced to come to our physical sphere, but it
would, in such a case, have to create, by itself, the
necessary spheric vibration. The magician would, in this
case, lose his control over the being, and his
authority, too, would suffer from such a failure, for
the being would consider the magician as not perfect and
would therefore not pay him respect and would refuse to
obey him. Strictly adhering to and acting according to
this principle is most important when evocations are
carried out, and this must never be forgotten by a true
magician. 2. The magician must be able to place
himself, with his consciousness, during the evocation,
into the sphere of the being cited, so that the being
will behold him. This transplanting of one's spirit is
done under the laws of the Akasha-principle, i. e. by
the magician's putting himself into a state of trance in
which he does not know any time or space, and it is in
this state that he cites, according to his will, and due
to his authority etc. the being concerned. Without these
faculties the magician is not able to make a being
appear. 3. The magician must call forth, by means
of his magical authority, the being's awe and obedience,
for otherwise no being - no matter whether positive or
negative - would respect him. The magical authority or
influence of the magician does not work on a being due
to the magician's personality, but because he has
influenced or bound himself with an intelligence
superior to the being or appears as a deity in the
aspect authoritative to the being. It is thus not the
magician who makes his influence work on the being, but
the authority of the superior being or of the highest
possible intelligence; of the evoking deity
itself. Invocation of the Divine
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When
practicing evocation, the magician will first
influence or ally himself with the superior
intelligence. He will only take on the shape of
the highest quality for his selfassertion as an
authority and show it in obstinate cases in which
the being should try to oppose anyhow.
If
the magician were to try to influence the being
evoked by his own personality only, the being
could refuse to obey him, or could, for the worse,
deceive him in a most shocking manner. If,
however, the being is actually receiving his
orders from a superior intelligence, or even God
in any aspect, not from the magician himself, then
the being must, under any circumstance, obey the
order.
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Planning
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Before
a magician starts with the evocation of beings he
must have the whole procedure precisely entered
into the book of formulae and should, if possible,
know it by heart, so that he is not delayed during
his operations by any looking up. The purpose
of the evocation, too, must be laid down in
writing before its beginning, for during the
evocation no additional questions may be
raised.
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Languange
Quote:
The
magician converses with a being in his own
familiar language. Since he is, in any case, in an
elevated state, in the state of trance, his
language automatically changes into the spiritual
language, into the so-called metaphorical language
and is so understood by the being. The being, too,
who normally uses its own language, will converse
in this spiritual language, which again will be
translated automatically into the language with
which the magician is familiar. Due to this fact
the magician will at first have the feeling that
the answers by the being come from his own
subconscious much in the same manner as a person's
inner voice is heard. By and by the magician will
get used to this and will finally realize that the
being is actually speaking outside him, and after
repeated work in this field it will appear to him
to be the same as if he were talking to one of his
fellowmen.
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Quote:
...during
the whole time of the evocation, the magician is
in an elevated state, in a true relationship with
God, he places himself with his consciousness into
the sphere of the chosen being and, after having
called out its name, asks the being to appear to
him. The being hears the magician, at once reacts
to his call, and quite willingly comes near
him.
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Very interesting list... I'll have to *ahem*
"borrow" it and transcribe it into my growing library.
But it does bear a lot of points worth being repeated
both to beginners, and also to the occasional adept who
has grown a little too cocky.
Ah, and on "that"
being... He fell for his own reasons, but He hasn't
entirely given them up yet. So who He is friendly to is
probably based on what He can gain from the situation.
Humans haven't changed in thousands of years, so the
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I just woke up from a dream that gave me an analogy
from an entity's point of view so I thought I
would share it here as it may help someone else. It
probably won't come out in this post as clear as it was
to me in the dream but I shall try. I have never seen or
heard this kind of description and if someone else has
please let me know and give me a source. Anyway, if you
put yourself in the shoes of an "entity" (choose any)
think of yourself as being at the movie theatre about to
see a movie and viewing the preview trailers for
upcoming movies. You see one that really captures your
interest and take note. Later you start to see this
preview on TV and this "calling" gets you more excited
and you almost can't wait. Finally the day arrives when
this movie premiers and since you have been evoked with
all the proper symbols, images, words, and sound-bites
you are there and ready to be entertained and satisfied
with a great movie. Now if it is a great movie
and you have enjoyed yourself you may want to see it
again and will show up a few more times without much
provocation but if it turns out to be a total
disappointment you will be very pissed off at all of the
deceptive hype that helped trick you into showing up
opening night and spending $10 on the ticket. If you
have a bad temper you may even want to get even with
whoever and start tearing up the theatre and hurting
some innocent bystanders, or you may even walk out 1/4
of the way through the movie and demand your money back,
etc. You may even decide to devour the other movie-goers
around you.  The lesson in the above is to not evoke
or invoke these "entities" without having a productive
reason to do so or something to offer them for their
time. If you do it just to do it it can really piss an
"entity" off when you have wasted it's time and
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"This one
geared towards newbies.It would be very nice
and save lot's of our time and newbies if all of us take
some time here to pool out our knowledge and resources
into this thread on what we have learned on evocations
and it' s related subjects. "Cool! Thanks for all the work I am going to put the link on some yahoo
groups I am on if you don't mind Well you
asked for others to share their experiences, and I do
things completely different LOL, I'll add a few comments
here and there.What I have
learned:3. Elementals are the
"easiest" entity to evoke for
newbie.Oops, I started with archangels
then moved to the goetia lol, but I think you are prob
right on this one... I was told that elementals are kind
of dangerous when I started.4. Summoning Spirits
is the most popular initiation into evocations, but
Bardon's IIH is the way to
adepthood.Yep that is the book I first used,
too bad it leaves out so much. I think the grimoires
themselves are the absolute best book. I think the path
to adepthood has to do a lot with throwing out the books
and getting there other ways
<g>5. Do not summon
Lucifer for obvious reasons
;pNow
you tell me!6. Do not sit in the
triangle! or morph your own face on black
mirrorLOL, good point, it is best to
always have your assistant be the one to sit in the
traingle j/k7. Invoke often and
inflame thyself with prayersThat is one way of doing it, an
effective way, but there are others.8. When someone/book
said, sacrifice a virgin kid or anything like that, it
meant to be body liquid/sperm, NOT a human
sacrifice.If I'm having goat for supper I
will sacrifice a kid thank you. Makes the best parchment
Well
Crowley meant sperm anyways.9. There is no such
thing as a quick fix.Do you think we could put this in
neon? 10. Develop astral
sense and evoke astrally
first.Unless you want to evoke
physically first of course.11. Selling your soul
and blood sacrifice is way off
limits!I have yet to meet a being that
wants my soul. Well if blood sacrifice is out then the
Vodou/Santaria folks would be out of luck.
14. Evocation to pyshical manisfestation is best
done out in nature or close to the ground, ie: basement,
forest, beach, etc. Evoking from your apartment on the
13th floor for instance will distort
manifestation.Out in nature evocations are
awesome! As are basement ones, as were my 20th floor
apartment ones 15. Demons
will test your circle. Make sure it will
hold.Does that mean that they can get
out of the traingle? When I do use a circle I have been
fortunate enough not to have any test it, run around
outside it maybe, but not test it.16. How to make the
circle hold? Answer: Faith, divinity, inflame thy self
with prayers, invoke often, imagination and lot's of
practices.For astral
evocations...17. Evocation is not
for kids, ignorance or the weak of heart. Stop bothering
us with silly chicken
questions.LOL, now that one should be
highlighted in some places on the
net.18. Like PaulS from OF Witchcraft forum said:
Magick works, but it is not the only
way!What you mean I have to leave my
apartment and actually apply for the job as well?
j/k19. Always banish before and after evocations,
even when you assume it was unsuccessful
evocation.Ooops, now you tell me <g>
Does once a year count?20. Always ID the
entity properly you are summoning. Banish it if you got
a wrong number and try dialing again one more time. Try
another day if still
unsuccessful.I will at least quiz the wrong
number one to get their name and number before I hang up
on them.21. Use the correct incense and other
correspondences for each entities. ie: prepare the
fishbowl with the correct water and environtments for
the kind of fish you're
after!I didn't know there was a
"correct" incense. I use my general Goetia manifesting
incense for the Goetia beings..I have found strawberries to work
quite well in my fishbowl LOL24. Entity sigil
functions in a similar way to a cell phone number.
Expect occasional "no
signal/busy/mailbox"Well lets hope they don't have
really high roaming fees and have an unlimited nights
and weekends plan LOL.25. Entity sigil are
usually destroyed after desired result is manifested -
burn, buried, thrown to body of
water.I usually never detroy them, I
keep them around for the next time I will work with that
being, or when I want to make a quick call. I also make
them out of metal quite often
though.26. Result manifested will usually happens by
sets of "normal"
coincidences.Yep usually, when they don't
though it is quite fun 27. Do not Invoke
negative entities for obvious
reasons.Ooops, now you tell me, ok so it
was a long time ago, I was young and stupid
LOL28. Some people treat some demons like retarded
child with superhuman powers.Good thing they are really patient
beings then 29. You may NOT get
what you want, you WILL get what you deserve >
interpret that anyway you like I usually get their perception of
what I want, which usually comes out pretty cool 30. Start studying
the Qabalah! for me chicken Qabalah is the "easiest"
book ever.Yeah DuQuette kicks butt! I love
his books.I don't
think you need to know Kabbalah to evoke though, unless
you are evoking Kabbalistic entities in particular of
course.31. Don't get cheap with books. Knowledge IS
power. Invest that money to build up your own occult
library. Amazon.com clients! pls use my site
(http://www.astralsense.com/) Education is the most important thing you'll
ever invest on ANY part of your
life.I
definatly agree on not cheaping out with books, and to
buy more than one book LOL.32. Demons and angels
cannot tell between right or wrong (we human had eaten
the tree of knowledge), they are NOT good nor evil , but
they will do what they do. Use this to YOUR advantages
> interpret this anyway you like I figure any system of ethics they
have is vastly different than ours, and they have
trouble understanding ours, which is mostly imposed by
society and not well thought out. Also, I find they
sometimes will work with what we really want, as uposed
to what we say we want.33. Demons submit NOT
to you, but to the divinity within you. - probably also
with a hidden agenda, but I wouldn't have a clue LOL, well good thing I work with
interesting gods then 36. Make your own
magick and rituals. YOU are the MAGICK and the STAR.
KNOW this. BE IT. Fake it till you make it. "The only limits to our Magick are our
own..." - I AM Yeah, right
after you get a basic grounding in magic so you sort of
know what you are doing...38. Learn astral
projection. Robert Bruce's "Astral Dynamics" is the
current best book on the subject and there's a lot of
usefull energy raising manipulation exercises can be
found there.His book and website is amazing!
39. Rewards given to
entity: respect, sigil made from material of entity
choice/element, energy, a small amount of body
liquid/blood(must be disassociated first from you),
certain housing to place it's sigil, lighting a candle
in appreciation for result/s,
etcAnd
strawberries, don't forget the strawberries 41. Get familiar and
understand the meaning of the words of power. Ignorance
rarely gives power. You mean I should have looked up
that long string of Enochian words first?
j/k42. Learn to skry! Read and practice: Benjamin
Rowe's "A Short Course in
Scrying"Check out all his info on
evocation, grimoires and Enochian while you are at
it..44. Drugs is a major no no! Good magician are the
healthy ones.I don't bother with them, but have
met many successful magicians who use them quite
effectively 57. You'll get
exactly what you believe. ie: banishment or any magick
will not work if you have no faith it IS working. It's
all mind > learn to control your own
brain!I have found this to not always be
the case. Strong beleif/faith in yourself/circle is def
good though. If I were a demon I would def mess with
those who think think their circle sucks, just for fun
58. Work and open up
all your 7 chakra's to aid you to raise energy and more!
It is probably the 7 seals mentioned on Revelation
chapter of the bible. Open the chakra's at your own
risk.I'll pass on the bible study
thanks. Hmm is there a danger to chackra opening? I did
not know that, and fortunatly never have had a
problem.63. When one understands that THEY are the
Circle, then it cannot be broken. One should also
understand that they are also the BANISHING ~ I
AMAnd
the wand, and the dagger etc.
etc....66. Ritual equipment is only an aid to focusing
the mind and nothing else.I think it is more than that, but
I also think it is not necessarly needed in most cases.
70. No such thing as instant magick. No free
lunch either. Patience, persistence and regular practice
is key.They had free lunch at the work
bbq today But you are right, I do put in 40 hours per
week for them...72. Every aspect of
evocation must be on the magician's terms. Watch your
OWN mind while communicating with the entity/demons, and
learn to differentiate the
difference.The Bardon watch your thoughts
exercise really helps for practice with this 73. If you're worried
your conjuration will not work, then chances are it
won't.Well either that or you will think
it didn't work, then have something large, dark and
scarey show up in your bedroom later that night asking
what the hell you wanted LOL74. Bare evocation
tools: Circle, and Triangle + Seals +
wand/staff/dagger/sword/spoon +
Insanity.LOL75. A link must be
established first with the entity through it's sigil and
it's name by entering gnosis before you can have a
successful evocation. That also helps to give the
magician some idea on whether they will get along with
that particular entity. Thanks again for summing up
evocation in one post! These are just my personal
opinions, not saying yours are wrong, don't work etc.,
just saying they are quite diff than how I do things. Of
course I don't recommend my techniques for most folks
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93 Okay, I'll bite. A few comments based on
my own opinions and experiences- 1. Study the theory
before the praxis!Even more important -
understand the theory before the practice.
4. Summoning Spirits is the most popular
initiation into evocations, but Bardon's IIH is the way
to adepthood. Depends on your point-of-view. For
others the Golden Dawn methods may be more
suited.
5. Do not summon
Lucifer for obvious reasons ;p I disagree. If you are
ready, able and willing - why not? Consider that in
classical evocation, as with invocation, one works from
the top down approach - for example, if using the
Grimoire Verum to evoke Bechard, you must do this
through Lucifer, then
Satanachia.
6. Do not sit in the
triangle! or morph your own face on black
mirror Looking at yourself in the mirror is the
easiest way of getting a "physical" result - and has no
inherent danger - just stay inside the circle 
8. When someone/book
said, sacrifice a virgin kid or anything like that, it
meant to be body liquid/sperm, NOT a human
sacrifice. Not necessarily true - often the medieval
manuscripts meant exactly what they said. Gathering the
materials for the ritual is supposed to be an ordeal.
Traipsing through graveyards after dark is meant to
provoke a state of mind conducive to the
ritual. 10. Develop astral
sense and evoke astrally first. Develop astral sense,
but evoke physically first. You will still be utilising
astral senses. Most people are not adept at full rituals
in the astral.
11. Selling your soul
and blood sacrifice is way off limits! Blood
sacrifice is a useful tool - blood and semen sacrifices
are quite appropriate as they fulfill the meaning of
sacrifice, namely a part of yourself freely
given. 14. Evocation to
pyshical manisfestation is best done out in nature or
close to the ground, ie: basement, forest, beach, etc.
Evoking from your apartment on the 13th floor for
instance will distort manifestation. Never heard of
this nor experienced any
distortion.
23. When you can,
"pick" up the entity from the astral and help bring it
down to the physical plane. If entities exist on a
level (whether it be astral, etheric etc) then they
already have some point-of-contact with the physical
world. They are not so weak as to require our assistance
to experience the physical world - its just that they
may not wish to! 25. Entity sigil are
usually destroyed after desired result is manifested -
burn, buried, thrown to body of water. Only if okayed
by the demon in the bargaining scenario...otherwise it's
very disrespectful. And if you happen to be evoking an
angel or similar, it's a rather bad faux-pas that may
lead to some ill-feeling directed your
way!
26. Result manifested
will usually happens by sets of "normal"
coincidences. We exist in the physical world and are
bound by its laws. Anyone who tells you that they did a
ritual for money and cash dropped out of the air (for
example) is nuts (IMO, of
course)
27. Do not Invoke
negative entities for obvious reasons. Again, this is
dependant on the experience and will of the individual.
In the next month or so my lodge is preparing to invoke
a demon into me, and I see no problem with this -
because I have faith in the abilities of my lodge
Brothers and Sisters!
36. Make your own
magick and rituals. YOU are the MAGICK and the STAR.
KNOW this. BE IT. Fake it till you make it. "The only limits to our Magick are our
own..." - I AM You may not last long enough to "fake
it 'til you make it". But experimentation and experience
will show the error of your ways 
40. Triangle can be
made from cardboard, circle from rope, ducktape, stone,
or flour. Butter knife as dagger, your broom as staff,
whatever works for YOU. The tools can be many from
many materials but should conform to appropriate
symbolism and be consecrated
correctly.
43. The fastest
newbie successfull evocation in my knowledge is done
after 3 months of training. Expect at least a year until
you're ready. Remember, no quick fix, no miracles
either. Expect to work hard to gain result. Magick is
not the only way to solve your problem/s. I would
consider a year a quick fix........in Ceremonial terms a
year in nowhere near even completing the elemental
grades...and experience of these is necessarily in any
theurgic or thaumaturgic
work.
44. Drugs is a major
no no! Good magician are the healthy ones. Again, a
matter of opinion. Good magicians are good magicians,
irrespective of drugs, alcohol etc. This is like saying
that authors are only good authors if they don't drink,
smoke, take drugs and ingest fatty
food.56. Demons/entity may
"look" differently from one mage to another. Part of
them are inside your mind > based on your perception
at the same time they are OUTSIDE of your mind. If
demons have any sort of sentient existence outside our
minds then they should conform to standard appearance.
In terms of angelic evocation - if you manifest
something that doesn't appear as it should, you have the
wrong entity.
57. You'll get
exactly what you believe. ie: banishment or any magick
will not work if you have no faith it IS working. It's
all mind > learn to control your own
brain!
Belief has no part in magick. Belief
leaves room for doubt. It is fine to doubt before or
after a ritual, but one needs certainty during the
ritual, not faith. Magick is not a buzz word for
positive thinking.
69. KNOWING the
magick is all about faith and beliefs. Positive failth
will bring positive results. Go on..delude yourself
lol.. Magick is the science of using and understanding
the power of the subconcious mind. See
above. 75. A link must be
established first with the entity through it's sigil and
it's name by entering gnosis before you can have a
successful evocation.
It is ill-advised to make
contact with an entity through meditation on its symbol
outside of the ritual structure. Look at the issues
Crowley experienced when drawing the Abramelin sigils

93
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Todd,
93
I would be very interested
in hearing more of your new lodge experiment. I find it
pleasing that others are beginning to experiment without
the trappings of the Nazarene.
By the way I have
summoned Lucifer and other demons via invocation as
well. It all boils down to your relationships with them
and having stability within your own psyche. If one
thinks of certain orders of spirits as "evil" and
unclean then you certainly are not going to make any
friends. If on the other hand you try to see things
their way and put off the vile Nazarene filth that has
been heaped upon the demons over the centuries then you
may be able to forge new pathways with human/demon
relations.
It is well known that not all demons
are friendly to humans... you have to take these spirits
on a case by case basis. It is advisable to go slow and
feel your way into these dark and sinister waters. (Have
you considered getting ahold of "The Shadow Tarot" by
Linda F. and looking into the "Nightside" explorations
published by other Typhonian Order's?)
However, I
don't think you will have many problems Todd due to your
experience & common sense.
Good
luck!
93
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93 Hi there LAM, how ya doing? When
it comes to *invoking* demons, perhaps the coolest I
ever saw was a Chaote ritual for the consecration of a
talisman. The talisman was mounted on a board on the
altar, and the magician performed extremely energetic
chants, gyrations etc whilst invoking the demon into
himself. Once accomplished, he charged the talisman by
spitting on it. Was very cool, and aside from a tendency
for the magician in question to lapse into screams of
"Hail Satan!" whilst in ploite company, there were no
ill side-effects  I have to admit (and I don't wish to
offend anyone here) but I am not a fan of Typhonian
Magick or Kenneth Grant. I have always liked
descriptions of his books as "Pornography for magicians"
LOL  But he is definitely interesting, although his
work does seem to attract more than its fair share of
whack-jobs (and no, I'm not referring to you!) 93
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93 I am doing fine thanks. Yes,
there certainly seems to be many different ways to do
things nowadays. I am favoring the chaos methods more
and more myself. The ritual you described reminds me of
the late Ben Rowe who described how the Enochian
cacodemons operate. In one instance he described one of
them charging a talsiman by copulating with it, among
other things. Your friend sounds like he likes to get a
rise out of others! (Or is it the "demon inside"?)  I will admit when handling certain
materials and viewing goetic sigils along with being
slightly inebriated it can bring out some negativity in
me (due to my past experiences as a priest.) Otherwise I
note no ill effects. Some of the demons are extremely
hostile to the general way they have been treated over
the centuries. Humanity has moved them from being
respected God's of ancient civilizations to being a
pariah. Regarding the Typhonian Magick: I
understand, it is definitely not for everybody and I
have heard some crazy stories. From my own experiences
the people I have had contact with have been very
respectable and knowledgeable magicians. (I guess I have
been lucky.) (I am also interested in
experimenting with shamanistic magick as
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(Edit: Love your post Fiat, hope I make that
clear despite my hurried post below.)
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Originally Posted by
fiat_lux_777
Even more
important - understand the theory before the
practice.
| In
my experience, that isn't necessary to get
results.
Quote:
25.
Entity sigil are usually destroyed after desired
result is manifested - burn, buried, thrown to
body of water. Only if okayed by the demon in
the bargaining scenario...otherwise it's very
disrespectful. And if you happen to be evoking an
angel or similar, it's a rather bad faux-pas that
may lead to some ill-feeling directed your
way!
| Please elaborate
on these two opinions. First, if you want to bargain
with a demon, why offer a permanent link between
you and him? Second, why/how would angels hurt you
because of a sigil?
Quote:
The
tools can be many from many materials but should
conform to appropriate symbolism and be
consecrated
correctly.
| My most
powerful tools have been made quite adhoc and without
consecration. The GD tools that demanded so much labour
and consecration seem very weak. Explain that, if
possible.
Quote:
I
would consider a year a quick fix........in
Ceremonial terms a year in nowhere near even
completing the elemental grades...and experience
of these is necessarily in any theurgic or
thaumaturgic work.
| My
intuition tells me that you might be correct, but please
elaborate one why elemental grades in one magickal
current (say LVX/GD) would be necessary for successful
work in another current (say Goetia)
please.
Quote:
In terms of
angelic evocation - if you manifest something that
doesn't appear as it should, you have the wrong
entity.
| Please
elaborate on that. First, how would you know the
"correct" look, and second, why would it be more
important than for demons?
Quote:
Belief
has no part in magick. Belief leaves room for
doubt. It is fine to doubt before or after a
ritual, but one needs certainty during the ritual,
not faith. Magick is not a buzz word for positive
thinking.
| Finally
someone who adequately put my understanding
to words!
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