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This is a thread for all I AM's posts which had
helped many members on OF. Pls use the search for I
AM posts and quote it here.
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I will start by saying that I
mean no disrespect to any.
I
have said before that if one truly has capability
they do not have to advertise it. I stand by that
statement.
Many of us have experiences
and show capabilities that are outside of normal
reality. The above post does a good job of
demonstrating that. So have others in this topic.
And I commend those who stood up and answered with
positive answers in this topic.
As one
grows in Magick something becomes clear. We
have nothing to prove. Our Magick is ours, it does
not belong to others nor does it have to pass
their approval to be real.
There are some
out there that say if they cannot replicate our
Magick then it is not real. To them I would
say that the laws of science and the laws of
Magick do NOT coincide. We cannot compare
the two with each other. I could easily tell them
to replicate a star going super nova...they
cannot. They can only observe the effects of a
star going super nova. The same is often true in
Magick.
If one truly has the
power of magick then others WILL know without
being told. It will come through in their
words, their actions, and their Magickal practice.
What others believe about my Magick is
unimportant. It is what I KNOW that is
important.
Those who boast the
loudest about their capabilities are often
misleading others for their own purposes. That
does not include posts in this topic. We have all
seen the member who posts that they are the
greatest witch, magickian, etc in the world. They
challenge others to "Mortal Combat". They want to
make others prove they are wrong. I could care
less. Their words demonstrate
their real power. If they have real power then why
the need to challenge others? Why the need to tell
us how powerful they are?
Power
is evident. It does not have to be bragged about.
It SHOWS. No amount of
words can change the truth. So, we must not
allow words to sway our opinions. This is
important.
Instead we should look at the
real knowledge that is shared. If rituals are
provided, do they work? If statements are made,
are they backed up? Does the person saying it
actually practice magick?
When a
person starts off by saying that they have been
studying for 20 or 30 years, and therefore we
should KNOW that they know what they are talking
about, we should immediately become
suspect. Why do they feel they need to tell us
that? Why do they feel they need to tell you they
are credible? Their words should do that shouldn't
they?
Many educated people are ignorant.
We have all met people like that. The same is true
in Magick. It does NOT make any difference how
long one has studied. It is what one has
LEARNED that is important. It is what one
can APPLY and CONTROL that is
important. Don't you think?
I am a
Magickian. I am growing. I am comfortable with
where I am and where I am going in my growth. I
have no need to prove myself to others nor do I
care what others think. In the
end, my Magick will be my
judge.
Humbly, I
AM
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As a short answer, no ceremony is
NOT necessary. However, when working
with CM it is VERY advisable especially in the
early years of practice.
Many of the
Entities that we call are too dangerous for us to
handle without protection. That is part of what
ritual is for. To protect us as we grow.
Notice that I said that is PART of what ritual is
for. Ritual also develops within the Magickian,
in a structured methodology, personal power.
AS this power grows so does
the True Magickal capability of the
Magickian.
To explain, when we
summon we often use the Magickal capabilities of
the Entity we are summoning to achieve our ends.
As we grow the need for external Entities
diminishes. We can achieve our desires DIRECTLY.
However, to get to this point SIGNIFICANT growth
has to occur. The RAW power of the Entities is
also OUR power once we learn to master it.
That is part of what summoning is all
about.
I DO NOT recommend that beginning
magickians pursue this line of thought if
summoning entities. When you are ready you will
know.
I do not mean to sound arrogant in
any way. However this is the answer to your
question based on my experience.
Humbly, I
AM
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Quote:
I
want to caution that the symbolism of CM as well
as the rituals ARE important and NOT FLUFF.
In martial arts, you must learn to
crawl and walk before you can run and it takes
years to truly master the art. It is the same in
Ceremonial Magick. In fact, it is the same in ALL
Magick.
I have stated before in my BH posts
(Before Hacking) that Ritual was the vehicle
not the destination. However, it is an
important vehicle that should not be arbitrarily
discarded.
While there are many paths to
Magick, the CM path DOES NOT only unlock
personal power but also promotes personal
growth as well. The methodology of CM
assists us in exploring ourselves in a direct way
very deeply and allows us to gain control over
facets of ourselves that we would be unable to
access directly in any other way.
This
is difficult for me to put into words but I will
try. I liken CM to climbing a ladder. In
the first few steps of the ladder we realize we
are aware of more and can see more and most of us
realize that the ladder is very high. As we progress up the steps of the
ladder more of the REAL world becomes known to us
and USABLE to us. What was scary and
perhaps unsafe we have now mastered and have
control over.
However, in my
experience, there is no top to the ladder. Our
progression up the ladder enables us to experience
things that we could not even dream of while on
the lower steps of the ladder. The higher we climb the more we
realize that the lower steps were unimportant BUT
NECESSARY TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE. The
higher we climb the more we understand that the
Universe is VAST and the wonders of that Universe
are without words. We are able to experience
what others have to share as well as see the World
for what it really is.
There is no
end to growth...only new beginnings. There is
no top, there is only more. I do not think that
any, in one lifetime, can hope to see and learn
all that there is to know.
Can we do magick
without ritual or methodology? Certainly. Should
we? I do not think so. The very methodology of
Magick, in ANY PATH, is necessary to fully
experience the wonders that await us. There comes
a time when the Magickian no longer needs ritual.
That is because the Magickian fully understands
the methodology and has climbed high enough up the
ladder to truly understand the Magick that is
being practiced. In a sense the Magick has become
the Ritual and its reverse is true as
well.
At each step
of the ladder As Above, So Below and
As Within, So Without is true. AT
EACH STEP. And, like any ladder, at
each step it is possible to fall.
In order to the Magickian to
perceive the WITHOUT at each step the Magickian
has to have grown WITHIN to enable this
perception. The vibration within has to equal the
vibration without before what is there can be
perceived. This is true in ALL true
Magick but especially true in CM. This single
SIMPLE truth is also the most important truth.
The Vibration Within has to Equal the Vibration
Without in order for perception to
occur.
All of these steps are
valuable as well as necessary. This has been my
experience. How one climbs
them are up to the Magickian. However, failure to
climb the steps leads to falls. Failure to
climb hides the Universe from the
Magickian.
Humbly, I
AM
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Originally
Posted by Kuroyagi so called
result orientated magic is never very powerful.
every ceremonies highest goal must be ceremony
itself- whether its self created or copied
doesnt matter- one should try to stick to it and
practice. it is really helpful to consider every
ritual (not only LBRP etc)- and again every
"part" or gesture and name etc therein- as the
whole, as one action (and in that moment-
restrospectively speaking- the ONLY action there
is in all creation- so that it could be
considered sacrilegious to the highest degree to
"impede" or to "load" this act w any other
purpose than itself) because to an extent the
practice of it is all there is to be learned
from it.
its really very
difficult to explain but for "theories" sake one
could say that it teaches what it means "to
act"- and only for the sake of ppl who dont
practice it, it could be said that by this
utmost self sufficient practice of a ritual a
way to a mindset(?) is created that makes one
"sth more true or efficient"- some time after
starting this practice you will do things that
you just couldnt (actually only: DIDNT) do
before (eg like silencing someone who has
pestered you for years w only ONE stare in a
single second and affect him in a way so that he
will never bother you again (while still being
friends w you): now this example could be also
considered as a magical act and could be reached
w eg sigil magic- and though no thing is better
or worse all cumbersome actions that are not
only exclusively themselves could be seen as
deviating or dispersing (in most paradigms:
dispersing your "will").
now all
forms of actions and all forms of being are
equally important (or not)- the evryday life in
the 2nd paragraph and the ceremony itself in the
first are the same. so this relativates all I
said above beginning w my claim that "result
orientated magic is never very powerful", but
"to start" it can be helpful to not consider the
ceremonies as having any purpose other than (in)
themselves. maybe there only can be result
orientated magic- but does life have a purpose?
does the universe have a purpose- other than
itself? this is the paradigm of the western
ceremonial magickian- and its not stupid at all

ps strangely enough I
completely understand what I AM is trying to say
though I contradicted him- or seemed to do-
while I think its the same and only the words
are different (a damn funny "argument" when
being of another opinion from your opposite btw
but in this case I really mean
it)
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Frater
Manjet and I were having a discussion the other
day about what you bring up. Frater reminded me
that Aleister Crowley cautioned against "Lusting after the Result" and
indicated it took away from the workings.
In truth, the result is NOT the
Magick. Meditate on this. Kuroyagi has said it
very well...results oriented Magick are not what
we should be striving for. The result is not
the goal, it is a by-product.
Humbly, I
AM
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Quote:
Quote:
Originally
Posted by Caradoc Hey I AM 
I know everything's
hectic at the moment trying to get up and
running again but when you get a few minutes
could you post something on the personal
relationship with archangels
theme?
No rush. I just thought I'd
remind you as you could easily forget with all
the crap that's been going
on.
PS... hope this didn't sound
pushy or critical, it wasn't meant
to.
PPS.. Thanks for recovering
this Kinjo, it was a good topic 
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am glad you have reminded me Caradoc!
Today
I would probably recommend the LIRP to facilitate
conversation with the Arch Angels. This would be a
prudent approach and one that would be accepted by
many Magickians. However, this is NOT how I did
it.
Years ago I had finished the LBRP
and was meditating on the Arch Angels and the role
they played in the LBRP. As my thoughts revolved
around these entities I wondered if I could
contact them directly. Please remember that this
was years ago and I was in a place that was in the
middle of the Bible belt. There were no occult
bookstores and no other Magickians that I was
aware of. So after giving thought to how I would
contact the Arch Angel of my choice I decided on
the following.
After performing the LBRP I
focused my INTENT on Gabriel and told him that I
wanted a direct conversation with him. I told him
I wanted to know him and asked for him to provide
me with guidance on how best to contact and
converse with him. I told him I wanted to have a
personal relationship with him.
I did this
every day for about a week and enflamed myself
each time I asked. He answered. I will not share
what he answered but he DID answer. And he has
continued to answer ever since. And, in truth, he
actually answered me the first time even though I
was too dense to realize it.
Each Magickian
needs to choose what works for them. The only
advice I will give is to NOT make it too
complicated.
I hope this
helps
Humbly, I
AM
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following this Topic with interest since it was first
introduced. First I will say that Caradoc and Tzimtzum
have made excellent posts IMO. Others have made great
posts as well. From my standpoint I think that
many Magickians are too awestruck by the Arch Angels and
thus miss a great opportunity. They are CERTAINLY
impressive beings (Not constructs of the mind; BEINGS).
However, IMO the Magickian should also focus on having a
PERSONAL relationship with the Arch Angels. I
have had a very strong relationship with both Gabriel
and Michael. Both have always appeared to me as male. I
have seen them in their "Blinding" aspect as well as
their more personal aspect. ON MY REQUEST they have kept
their forms those that I can relate to the easiest.
These are forms THEY presented to me not ones I made up
for them. Both have been there for me when I
needed them. They, especially Gabriel, were some of my
first teachers. They introduced me to many others. They
showed me the Astral and gave me my first tools. They
taught me how to protect myself in my early
years. In the LBRP they serve a specific purpose
that has already been discussed. Outside the LBRP they
can be MUCH MORE if the Magickian will open their eyes
and take advantage of what they have to offer. Be
awestruck certainly. Then get over it and approach them
as teachers. Over time they can become true allies. To
gain this experience one has only to open themselves up
to them. Ask and you shall receive... Time and
time again I have seen that Magickians are often too
timid when dealing with other Entities. They view the
entities as being unapproachable much as a young
teenager sometimes sees the gorgeous object of their
desire being unattainable. Just ask. Take that first
step courageously. You might be surprised at the
results. They may not answer immediately but they might
surprise you. This advice applies to Gods, Arch
Angels, and any other entity that you encounter either
accidently or by specific intent. And yes, take the
normal precautions and protect yourself. They will
respect that even if they sometimes find it
humorous. This has been my experience. I hope
this helps. Humbly, I AM
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Quote: Originally
Posted by David Bowie I have heard a
few of the 'new breed' authors mention that one
does not need to construct a magick circle, just a
good imagination and a dash of faith. However I
remain sceptical as to what the results of such a
operation may be, afterall, in their eyes I am an
'armchair
theorist.'
Yours,
db
Hey
David Bowie!
While what you say is close to
the truth I do NOT recommend that beginning
Magickians use this approach. These entities
are not gentle and mistakes can be
disastrous.
What you are refering to
is, in actuality, "seeing" the Circle in the
Astral. The Magickian visualizes "casting" a
Circle either by doing the LBRP or some other
method. This Circle exists in both the Astral and
Physical. For experienced Magickians this works
well.
With the Goetics, unless the
Magickian is able to HOLD the Circle, the
magickian puts themselves at risk. The entities of
the Goetia WILL test the Circle.
See
the Talking Points Topic - The Circle. A search
should bring it up. This talks about what you
suggest.
Humbly, I
AM
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Originally
Posted by Kinjo How do you accomplish
this & how long? In another word to clarify my
question further, what specifically do you MUST do
to ENSURE that you have create a magick circle to
defend yourself? Will LBRP accomplish
that?
Hey my friend!
Well,
drawing it on the ground allows a Magickian to see
it but that does not mean that the Magickian KNOWS
it is there. Many when first starting have
doubts.
The LBRP creates the Circle. When
performed over time the Magickian WILL become
aware of the Circle and all that the LBRP brings
with it.
Have patience and perform the LBRP
at least once a day. Depending on the Magickian
results will come...some sooner and some later.
The key is not to give up or get
discouraged.
Humbly, I
AM
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You cannot hope to understand a path of Magick
by taking one part of it without reading and studying
the rest.
Quote:
Originally
Posted by BaronChronos here's a
question: if you can't use the squares in book 3
of abramelin without being in contact with your
HGA (re: kirk88's post), how did KCh's friend burn
down his house by using the 23rd
chapter?
I do not think anyone
meant to imply that you could not use the Squares
without being in contact with the HGA. However, it
should NOT be done. When one concentrates on
Sigils one empowers them. That is how the friend
destroyed his house.
Sigils of any kind are
able to be empowered by the focus of the
Magickian. That is why focusing on Goetic Sigils
has gotten some in trouble. It is the same with
any Sigil. Look at a Sigil as a circuit board
waiting to be empowered. The way they are
empowered is through the Focus of the
Magickian.
Humbly, I AM
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As
a further answer there are many Christians,
including Ministers and Priests, who have and do
Practice Ceremonial Magick without problems. In
fact, being religious CAN be a plus as it may help
the Magickian in finding their DIVINITY
within.
One can be religious or an Athiest
and still practice Magick. In my experience, even
if one starts out as an Athiest, Magick will over
time make the person more spiritually aware. In
fact, for some, Magick becomes a "Religion" all
its own.
Just a few
thoughts.
Humbly, I
AM
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Posted by merlinas just using a dagger and
do the spirit pentagram, and focus on enpowering my
psychic abilities.
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The
growth of Psychic abilities is a NATURAL part of
the Magickian's magickal growth. However, they
should not be the main goal. As the Magickian
grows so do these "Psychic" abilities. After time
one realizes these abilities can be a stumbling
block to further growth. It is not the abilities
that are important it is the growth.
If a
Magickian wants to develop Psychic abilities the
best advice is for the Magickian to pursue
Magickal growth.
I hope this
helps.
Humbly, I AM
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by
Froclown What are these limitations
you refer too? I think I have expanding magick
beyond the primitive superstitions about external
beings that exists in other diminsions and
whatever else kind of fantasy worlds or things. I
have increased human capability and I have done so
by useof Occam's Razor, which is to say I have
eleminated all unnecissary metaphysical
entities.
I have plenty of
experince with evocation and invocation, and I
realize how these beings seem very much real, but
seeming is not the case.
To the
Psychotic it really does seem like he is recieving
secret encoded messeges from Steven Hawking
telepathically, that tell him he has to mow the
lawn in his underwere, or else an eagal will peck
out his eyes, no matter how real this seems to the
the psychotic man, it is just not the case that
Steven Hawking has sent out any such telepathy,
nor that any eagals are waiting to swoop on this
man. Even though he will scream and swear that
they are watching from every tree and phone pole,
and fight for his life is restrained from mowing
the lawn, he is still not under attack or
controled telepathically my anyone.
Hell, When I invoked Yog
Sothoth, all hell broke loose, the foundation of
reality become nothing but goo, all physical
reality my body included dissoleves into nothing
and All mannor of deamon ran amuck in my psyche
terring my mind to pieces, both wipsering and
shouting deragatory thing in my mind. No coherency
between any thing and any other thing. Yog is full
of diversity and maddness, they deamons of Yog
only seemed to have one thing in common, they all
found falut in me, and didn't spare any remarks
out of sympathy that's for sure. They don't just
speak, they strike at the very heart. The mind
divided, from itself aware of a billion universes
all with seperate minds, some merging some
dividing, there is no way back home, Which "me"
will end up in what universe all universes merge
like drops of water and seperate agains, no home
to return to, to self to return home, only new
universes and new selves mixed from the blood and
water of the old.
However, in the
end, there is no Yog Sothoth, no matter how real
and profound the effects of invoking him are on
your mindstate. I didn't really percieve other
universes, it was the contents of my own mind
dissociating and re-arranging. We can't perceive
our mind directly, thus when your mind is mixed
up, we perceive reality as mixed up. When our
minds generate Gods, we percieve
Gods.
The Gods are just tools to be
used to re-arange the mind, which is to say to
alter the soul and beyond the soul, the deepest
aspects of the brain from which the soul or Self,
is generated, as well as the perceptual universe
or reality which corresponds to that soul or self.
Change the world and you alter the self a little,
Change the self a little and you create a whole
new universe.
0=2 The 0 is our
deepest brain before self is creates. The 2 is the
world of self and the corresponding other. When
self X is genrated so is Reality -X, is self Y is
created then reality -Y is created. The universe
is big and can only be changed slightly, thus only
slight changes can be made to the self by acting
in the world. The self is very small, so and
chages made to the self creates a whole new
reality, which is difficult to perceive, because
often memory of the self changes to correspond to
the changes in the universe.
Thus,
you insistence that these Beings are in the
universe, not in yourself, tells me more about
what kind of Self you are, rather than what really
is the case in the universe. As what really is the
case is that both self and other are illusions.
The deepest mind remains undisturbed by any
manifestations.
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that these Beings are only WITHIN says much about the
Self and its awareness of the Universe. While
off topic I feel that the subject of the existence of
the Gods must be addressed. Perhaps to some these beings are figments
or our psyche awaiting release through some sort of
ritual or mind altering drug. Beings, that are
defined to be only internal, have only the capability to
build a fantasy world. That is the world you
describe.To others these Beings have
the capability to teach us much about Magick, show us
our true nature and it's true place in the Universe, and
assist us in our growth. The BEINGS that I and
other Magickians have dealt with have the capability to
not only directly influence the REAL world but also open
up other worlds (REAL WORLDS) to the
Magickian.The Divinity Within that some
claim is a figment is, in actuality, a powerful
reality. It has nothing to do with “God” or
religion. It has everything to do
with that part of ourselves that rises above the “human”
part.To some, apparently, the Astral is a
dream reality. To others the Astral is a place where
objects that exist in the world can be manipulated
directly and the results of that manipulation made
manifest in this physical world. To others the Astral,
and its many levels, are a place of learning and growth.
To others the Astral is the location of the Temple and
where Magick is practiced. To others the Astral is as
real as the physical world. It is your loss that the
Astral you describe has the limits it
does. If a Magickian perceives that what is
summoned is only a part of their psyche then they miss
an entire universe of experience. As Above, So Below is not just a saying.
It is a truth that exists on many levels and in many
realities. It is obvious that we
disagree. However, to imply that anyone that KNOWS
that these BEINGS really exist is psychotic (as you
implied with your Hawkings example) is an attempt to
IMPOSE a narrow interpretation on others. You are
free to your beliefs and I wish you well. However, I
suggest that the limits that you propose are not only
incorrect but should NOT be adopted by
others.Saying that these entities do not
exist does not make them go away. While this
is an interesting discussion for some it is also NOT on
topic. Therefore, I suggest that further discussions
take place in PM and not in this topic. Either that or
that a new topic be created to discuss this. I am not
attempting to have the last word. I am just stating my
opinion that we have gotten off topic. We disagree. I can live with that. I hope
you can as well.I AM
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The LBRP creates a protective Circle. I think this
is what you meant to say.
Proper performance
of the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram (LBRP)
automatically creates the protective
Circle.
I wish you luck in your endeavor.
I would recommend that if you are going to summon
this God that you EVOKE first. The power of many Gods is so great that
the Magickian can actually be damaged by the influx of
power unless they know how to re-direct it when it
becomes too great. That is why I suggest EVOKING rather
than INVOKING.
If you are just going to
pray to this God then summoning is unnecessary.
I
hope this helps.
Humbly, I AM
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Quote:
Quote: Originally
Posted by Frater Manjet I will start by saying
that I only use the passive pentagrams in the
LBRP/LIRP. The nature of the element that
ecompasses the whole of the ritual as opposed to
the active pentagrams in the SBRP/SIRP, opening of
( and by ) Watchtower etc.. where each element is
represented in it's own quarter by it's own active
pentagram.
Maybe it would help to
think of them as passive = general and active =
specific.
Passive banishing
pentagrams..
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The traditional LBRP is most often
taught using the earth pentagram. As you have
noticed it is traced in all quarters irregardless
of the elements attributed to them. If you
consider that you are not using the element per
se' merely the nature of the element this will
help understand
why.
Think of the nature of
the element as flavoring the whole ritual so to
speak. The nature of earth is very resolving,
strengthening, positioning etc... So when I use
the earth pentagram I am flavoring my LBRP in this
regard. The earth pentagram will strengthen,
resolve etc.. your circle/aura especially with
repeated use. If attention is paid to how earth as
an element relates much more can be seen in it's
application
Now... what about the
other passive
pentagrams.
The same holds true
since they are passive they are used throughout
the whole ritual in each quarter. So we can LBRP (
by earth ), LBRP ( by air ), LBRP ( by water ),
LBRP ( by fire
).
I will state that I beleive
mastering LBRP by earth prior to exploring the
other elements is very beneficial and will provide
greater stability for later
working.
That being said let us
explore breifly some possibilities of the other
elements.
If I am having a period
where I find my mental faculties are a bit
clouded, need to sharpen my wits or maybe I am
preparing for a big test etc... I will employ
LBRP/LIRP ( by air
).
If I am struggling with an emotional
issue or maybe I am blocked creatively on an art
peice... I would employ LBRP/LIRP ( by water
).
If I feel lethargic or too hyper
etc... I will employ LBRP/LIRP ( by fire
).
These are all very simplistic I
know, but I think I have shown the basic concept.
I use the various LBRPs depending on what aspect
needs balance using the elemental
models.
I will not go into
depth about the LIRP except that the elemental
models apply in the same
manner.
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Now for more advanced
magickians we can add implementation of various
tools as well.
I will not go into
great depth here save to point to the further
layering of meaning within the ritual by means of
employing various tools. I think you will get the
concept.
The tools would
represent the magickians direct influence in the
whole ritual.
The Fire Wand could be
employed for a LBRP ( by air ), or the Water Cup
could be employed for a LBRP ( by fire ).The
possibilities are vast
indeed.
I hope this
helps.
"From Horizon to
Horizon in VVV" Fr.
Manjet
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was an awesome post Frater Manjet. I wish all would
give as complete an answer in other topics as you have
in this topic. The advanced techniques that
Frater Manjet has shared are not commonly found in many
discussions about the LBRP. However, they are not
only effective but are critical for advanced workings.
One can even combine more than two
elements in the LBRP. As Frater Manjet indicated
the possibilities are limited only by the imagination of
the Magickian. I am going to add one more thing
that will seem very cryptic to many. The Points of
the Pentagram represent the Elements. The UNION of the
Elements creates the Magickian. While this comment
may seem a little off the topic of the LBRP it is truly
not. Humbly, I AM
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Quote: Originally
Posted by Overflowed_Buffer Thank you
so much for responding and
helping.
I just noticed this.
Whoever posted this contradicts himself within the
first few seconds.
"ALL MAGICK
OCCURS IN THE ASTRAL." Does this not go against
the principle of "as above, so below?" Should
magic not occur on both
planes?
Edit: Nevermind. I wish to
learn but do not wish to have 5 people tell me
their argument by using the word "because" and
repeating the previous person.
Edit: I do have to add however that
I do not think that I can take this person
seriously. He comes off as an armchair theorist to
me, especially when you start saying "you are the
circle" and using bubbles and what not. I
guarantee that I, unless someone really blows my
mind with some evidence that their idea is better,
will use the normal circle that the great
magiCians of the past have and progress with my
knowledge.
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Overflowed_Buffer! No, it is not a contradiction.
Magick occurs in the Astral before manifesting in the
physical. This is a SIMPLIFIED explanation but suffices
for this discussion. BTW, I am the person who wrote it
so I felt it would be alright to respond. When
one creates a physical Circle one is simultaneously
creating an Astral Circle even if they do not realize it
(As Below, So Above). If you created the Astral Circle
first then As Above, So Below would indicate that the
physical Circle exists as well. When we perform
magickal ritual we are really performing this ritual in
the Astral even if we are physically doing it. At the
completion of our ritual our magick emanates through the
Astral and MANIFESTS in the physical if we have done
things properly AND we are strong enough. BTW, if
you read my Talking Points - The Circle post carefully
you will see that I DO use the Circle and NOT a bubble.
So, your theory needs some work. However, there are many
magickians that do use a bubble or sphere and that is
why I included it. It matters little if you take
me seriously. I am only sharing what my experience has
shown me. You may take it or leave it. As far as being
an "arm chair" theorist goes, I do find that comment
amusing. I hope this helps. Humbly, I
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Quote: Originally Posted by Frater
ManjetI will
not go into great depth here save to point to the
further layering of meaning within the ritual by means
of employing various tools. I think you will get the
concept.The tools would represent the magickians
direct influence in the whole
ritual.The Fire Wand could be employed for a LBRP
( by air ), or the Water Cup could be employed for a
LBRP ( by fire ).The possibilities are vast
indeed.I hope this
helps."From Horizon to Horizon in VVV" Fr.
ManjetQuote: Originally
Posted by I AM...I am going to add one
more thing that will seem very cryptic to many. The
Points of the Pentagram represent the Elements. The
UNION of the Elements creates the Magickian. While
this comment may seem a little off the topic of the LBRP
it is truly not.Humbly, I
AMI fear I may have been a little
too cryptic with my previous post so I wish to give my
fellow Magickians something to contemplate.
What would happen if a ritual that used the
element of FIRE and combined it with the WATER CUP were
to be FOCUSED through ANOTHER ELEMENT? What would
happen if a ritual that used FOUR ELEMENTS were to be
FOCUSED through the FIFTH ELEMENT? What would
happen if a RITUAL contained ALL the ELEMENTS
EQUALLY? These questions, when answered, open up
an entire new world for the Magickian. Understand that it is INTENT that both
focuses Elements through each other and allows them to
be combined.Consider also that the
UNION of all the Elements is also the BALANCE of all the
Elements within the Magickian. From this UNION the
Magickian is created. This UNION, once achieved, is the
Magickian's to call at will. The LBRP is FAR more than a BANISHING
ritual. Those who consider it only a Banishing Ritual
are not worthy of it. This paraphrased from
Aleister Crowley. Humbly, I AM
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Hey
MuRdeR!
While I am a little confused by
your question I will attempt answer it. First,
the LBRP creates the Circle so doing another LBRP
while the Demon is breaking it is redundant.
However, if you meant that you created a Circle in
some other way and after the Demon broke the
Circle then did the LBRP that might work but you
will not have the time to do the ritual. Your
analysis of the amount of time is correct and the
entity will NOT give you the time to do the
LBRP.
In these cases
you can fall back on the Grimoires.
Fiat-lux-777 hit the nail on the head with his
COMMAND "In the name of the most Holy God, I
command you to depart and bother me no more!".
This is in accordance with what some of the
Grimoires suggest and it IS effective. The
effective part of this is two-fold. First you are
COMMANDING. Second, it is in the Name of God. This
does not mean that you have to be religious...you
do not. If you understand that YOU are a God and
command in that fashion then the entity will
respond.
Additionally, if one
understands that THEY are the Circle, then it
cannot be broken. One should also understand that
they are also the BANISHING. Visualize a
Banishing wave going out from WITHIN you in all
directions. See this wave as a solid force that
removes ALL in its path. If you have seen pictures
of a nuclear weapon going off and the blast wave
that is created...your wave should look like this.
This has been effective for me and may be for you
as well.
The suggestion of Armor works fine
in the Astral but may NOT be as effective against
a Goetic entity. At least this has been my
experience.
You can
also take the approach that I took when I first
started and things went wrong...I called to every
God I had ever heard of and begged. Begging is
good. A good Magickian is a humble one and needs
to know when they are over their
head.
I hope some of this answer
helps.
Humbly, I
AM
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hate: 1. Those who attempt to turn Magick into
some kind of role playing game. http://www.occultforums.com/showthread.php?t=6881This
pisses me off because I take Magick SERIOUSLY. It is my
life. 2. Those who PRETEND to have power and
capabilities that they do not possess. They imply
that they have great power. They say they are a MAGE.
Yet they offer no proof and RARELY
share anything of value. We have had more than a
few like that in OF. 3. Those who cannot share
what they know with others because the knowledge they
have is too ARCANE for others not sufficiently advanced
enough. While it is true that some things cannot be
shared, that is different than saying that "I've got
secrets but you are not ready to hear them". I have
seen these type of posts here in the forum before and
they always piss me off. These types
of people RARELY have anything that is worth
anything.4. Those who judge the Magick
of others or imply that their own Magick is superior to
others. It is almost never true. If you have a good product you do not have
to advertise it...it speaks for
itself.5. Those who feel they have
the right to JUDGE the actions or Magick of others.
They do not. 6.
Those who would turn Magick into some "fluffy"
reality while ignoring the evil that some do. The
world of Magick is no different then this physical
reality. There are some that are bad or evil and they
need to be stopped. 7. People who come into
these Forums just to create hate and discontent because
of our practice or beliefs. Not only Christians have
been guilty of this...but they have done it the
most. 8. Those who assume Magick does not
exist because they have never seen it in their lives and
who then ATTACK others who do have Magick in their
lives. This type of ignorance has also been
prevalent in these Forums. May the
Gods save us from ignorance such as
this.9. Those who ask for advice and
then either flame or ignore those who respond.
Attitudes such as this will not get them invited to
Thangsgiving dinner. This may be the
grossest ignorance of all.10. Those
who think that Magick is about "who is the baddest
Magickian"? They want to turn Magick into a power
struggle. They magickally attack upon the slightest
excuse. These types are usually the
weakest of all Magickians. 11. Those
who try to increase their perceived POWER by associating
themselves or trying to imply links with other
Magickians that are respected for their
capabilities. If one's self
image relies on their association with others then they
are in for great disappointment. They are ALWAYS
found out in the end. I know this was more
than 10. However, as you can see I have pet peeves that
no doubt reflect on my Karma. The above issues never
fail to piss me off and most of the time I feel the need
to respond. Humbly, I AM
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Hey Overflowed_Buffer! Let me try again but
this time I will use examples. Let us say that a
person is about to be sent away by his parents to a
school that is far away from home...or sent to another
geographic location...that will separate him from the
girl that he loves. He does not want this to happen and
turns to Ritual Magick to solve his problem. He decides
to use the Goetia to achieve his aims. He states
his intent to be as follows. "I
desire that I NOT be sent to XXXXX so that I may
continue my love life with my girlfriend".
Ritual is performed and the following scenarios
occur. 1. The magickian's parents are killed
in a car accident and plans to send the magickian away
are stopped. The Entity gave the magickian exactly
what he asked for. 2. The magickian is in a
car accident and becomes brain damaged, unable to care
for himself, and therefore will not be sent away.
The entity gave the magickian exactly what he asked
for. 3. The magickian's parents go bankrupt
and, thus, not longer have the money to send the
magickian away. The entity gave the magickian
exactly what he asked for. In
all of these cases the magickian got what he asked for.
In all cases the LAW of Unintended Consequences
was invoked. In all cases the magickian got what they
asked for but NOT what they wanted. If you think
that I am exagerating I am not. I am being as serious as
a heart attack. Been there. Done that. In this
case the magickian focused on the WRONG INTENT.
The true INTENT that should have
been focused on was preventing separation from adversely
affecting the love between the magickian and his
girlfriend, OR making the love between the magickian and
his girlfriend so strong that no event can break the two
apart.In this case and ENTIRELY
DIFFERENT group of Entities could assist. In this
situation the stated intent would also be different. For
example the Statement of INTENT could look something
like this. "With no harm to any make our love so
strong that no event in this physical reality can break
us apart".You can imagine that the possible
results of this INTENT would be different from the other
stated INTENT. However, be careful what you ask
for...you might get what you ask for. In this case the magickian's dream girl of
today may be the horror of tomorrow.This
is what I meant by being more specific in your INTENT.
Decide what it is you REALLY want to accomplish. Determine what your STATEMENT of INTENT
should be. Then determine and eliminate all possible
unintended consequences. After you have done this
THEN AND ONLY THEN should you determine which Entity
would best serve your purposes.You
should not limit your choice of Entities to the
Goetia. There are many different Entities out there
(Angels, etc) that can assist you. However, if you believe that Angels are
somehow kinder or more forgiving then you will be
deluding yourself. They are NOT. Their energies
are just different and the method of action is different
(although not much different). Now, I ask you
again, please be specific in what it is you intend. Then
we may be able to answer your question. Humbly, I
AM
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In
the Gospel of St. Thomas the Kingdom of God is all AROUND
us. In the Bible it is said the Kingdom of God is WITHIN us.
In organized religion it is in the
Church.
Consider this. As Above,
So Below. As WITHIN, so WITHOUT. In the Gospel of St. Thomas the
Kingdom of God is all AROUND us. In the Bible it
is said the Kingdom of God is WITHIN
us. Consider these truths. If there is
a God above then where is the God below? If there
is a God WITHOUT then where is the God WITHIN?
What do you really think is really being
said?
The true name of God is "I
AM THAT I AM". Have you looked in the mirror
and said the name of God?
And God
created Man in his own image... However we all
look different and have different genders. Which
image was being referred to?
God is both
creator and destroyer. So are
we.
Believing in Jesus makes us adopted
Sons and Daughters of God and Brothers and Sisters
in Christ. What does that make us if Jesus or
his true father was a
God?
The
list goes on and on but the same basic truth
emerges in many places. The references cited above
are just Christian references. These references
exist throughout the world in the writings of
mankind. Mankind has the capability to be a God if
only they will open themselves to it.
Our world teaches us just the opposite.
The world, from our birth, teaches us our
limitations. It tells us that we are less than
God. It strips our birthright
away.
Finding the Divinity within has
nothing to do with religion. As Above So Below
DICTATES that if there is Divinity above there is
also Divinity within. To find it one must open
themselves to it. One must "Let the Spirit move
through them". It is really simple. KNOW THAT YOU
ARE DIVINE. Then look for it within.
You will find this Divinity in
the silences.
Most of us
are constantly thinking. This constant barrage of
thought creates a lot of internal noise. This
noise distracts us from what is within ourselves
all along. As an experiment try thinking of
NOTHING for 5 minutes. Every time a thought or
visual enters your head remove it.
When you first attempt to do this you will
fail. Practice will soon get you to the point that
you will no longer need to remove the thoughts or
images and you will be able to do it for far
longer than 30 minutes. Once you are accomplished
you can do this all day. When you do it all day,
you will still think but you will ONLY think about
what is at hand and what faces you at that
particular time. Wiping out the internal noise
between actions is a huge step in the right
direction.
When you remove the noise you
find the silence. When you find this silence then
you can start looking for your
divinity.
KNOW that you are Divine
and you will be. DOUBT that you are Divine and you
will fail.
This is not esoteric BS.
Others have known this for years. The technique
I have given you is just a shortcut. Now it is
time to embrace it as your own.
I hope this
helps.
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Quote:
Quote: Originally
Posted by
fiat_lux_777 93
It may
only be my perception, but I have always thought
of the sephiroth as being both immanent and
transcendant. Kether is not only "out there", it
is also "in here". It is nowhere and everywhere,
and not located in a particular place. Kether is
the seed of perfection hidden beneath the layers
of dross. Actions in the so-called "mundane world"
(a misnomer, if ever there was IMHO) directly
affect Kether both in a personal and transpersonal
manner - as well as every other level of existence
and consciousness.
There is no
division between magick and mundane, higher and
lower, inner and outer. Such demarcations are
arbitrary and subject to the perceptions of the
observer.
93
93/93
Todd
| Although
fiat_lux_777 said it very well I would like to add
support to what is said here. " As Within, So
Without". And its reverse is true as well. The same
is true with " As Above So Below". These truths, like the layers of an onion,
are true on many levels. Apply them to the
sephiroth and some interesting truths emerge. It
is interesting that fiat_lux_777 makes this quote
Quote:
Quote: Actions
in the so-called "mundane world" (a misnomer, if
ever there was IMHO) directly affect Kether both
in a personal and transpersonal manner - as well
as every other level of existence and
consciousness.
| This is a direct
example of "As Without, So Within". A change to our external world changes our
internal world. And its reverse is true as well.
As a gross example I give you the
Optimist and the Pessimist. Both supposedly live in the
same world but see two entirely different REALITIES. For
them, their worlds ARE different. And each of their
worlds becomes their prision. The secret is to
step outside and Witness and Acknowledge that "As Within
So Without" is truth. At that point, true change becomes
possible.Humbly, I AM
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Quote:
Quote: Originally
Posted by Specktackular Sure, but
from your magickal point of view does this make
sense to you:
In magick,
nothing can occur without first occurring as a
thought; once the thought occurs, the rest
follows.
???
| Certainly
the thought form comes first. However in my view the thought form
is REAL and exists. Your assertion is that
it exists in the mind alone. That is where I feel
we differ.
In my view, we cannot separate
ourselves from the Above. Above and Below exist
simultaneously in US. We walk in both worlds all
the time. Only most never realise this
reality.
You appear to percieve Above and
Below as a duality. I view Above and Below as
two sides of the same coin with no duality.
If one is FULLY Above and
Below simultaneously then their thoughts ARE
action and ARE manifested. The Magickian's word of
Power is the outward sign of
this.
This is a heavy subject and
one difficult to put into words. I am having an
even harder time than normal due to some meds I am
taking. I hope what I have said makes
sense.
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Hey my friend! I believe the technique
you are looking for is an upside down pentagram.
This was an old "crafter's" (not to be confused with
WICCAN) technique for keeping unwanted visitors from
entering their homes while they were away or protecting
them while inside their homes. I read about this
years ago in a book about Witchcraft and Magick. The
technique involves casting an upside down pentagram at
the entrances to the property or house. The pentagram
was bright blue / white and was cast at EACH entrance to
the place to be protected. No ritual words were
necessary.I used this for years with
success. In Hawaii, while in the military, I used to
have to travel around the world often. I averaged being
away from my house about 2 weeks out of every month.
Each time I left I would cast these pentagrams. During
my stay in Hawaii many houses on my street were broken
into and robbed. Most of the time this occurred while
the owners were away. My house was never bothered. Now,
this begs a few questions. Was it the
pentagram that protected the house, was it my INTENT
used while casting the pentagram, or was it a
combination of both? Or was my house never the
intended target anyway? I am not certain. However it did
work and that is all that mattered at the time (this was
when I was 30). fiat_lux_777's Circle technique has also
worked for me. I used to cast a circle big enough to
encompass the house. Now, I use entities or servitors to
accomplish the same purpose. Wards have also worked for
me in the past with great success.I hope
this answer helps and provides you the answer you were
seeking. Humbly, I AM
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Quote: Originally
Posted by Specktackular
The
above and the within are both
MENTAL, the below and without are
both PHYSICAL......
....The two
planes of MENTAL and PHYSICAL and all that is
encompassed by these two planes are not illusion,
they are the fundamental framework we call
"reality." This encompasses all possibilities
which can manifest. What I have been trying to
explain is that this is what is not an illusion
and can not be
changed.
Hey
Specktackular!
By definition the mind is
of the PHYSICAL. That goes for the MENTAL too!
If the mind and the mental were truly that
powerful then EVERY thought would manifest into
this physical reality and that simply does not
happen. This does not imply that thoughts are not
real...they are.
It is not until the
magickian walks in both the Physical and Astral
simultaneously that the mind and the mental
becomes something more. At that point thoughts
DO manifest into both worlds.
Magick
does not occur in the Below or the Above. It
occurs when Above and Below become ONE and mirror
each other. This subtle truth is discovered
through practice and also in the writings of some
magickians. The duality that
some want to give Above and Below is a mistake.
They are two sides of the same coin...one does not
exist without the other and it is only by joining
the two that Magick becomes
known.
Things that may make sense
on paper or in theory do not hold up in the
Magickal world. This has been my experience
and others are free to disagree.
Humbly, I
AM
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are discussing True Will and it was Crowley who first
identified the term I thought the following Theorems
from Crowley would assist in the conversation. I think
Crowley is clear about the relationship of True Will and
Individual Will in a person's life.III)
THEOREMS. Magick in Theory and Practice
by Aleister Crowley4. The first requisite for causing any change
is thorough qualitative and quantitative understanding
of the conditions.(Illustration: The most
common cause of failure in life is ignorance of one’s
own True Will, or of the means to fulfill that Will. A
man may fancy himself a painter, and waste his life
trying to become one; or he may really be a painter, and
yet fail to understand and to measure the difficulties
peculiar to that career.) 8. A Man whose conscious will is at odds with
his True Will is wasting his strength. He cannot hope to
influence his environment
efficiently.(Illustration: When Civil War
rages in a nation, it is in no condition to undertake
the invasion of other countries. A man with cancer
employs his nourishment alike to his own use and to that
of the enemy which is part of himself. He soon fails to
resist the pressure of his environment. In practical
life, a man who is doing what his conscience tells him
to be wrong will do it very clumsily. At
first!) 9. A Man who is doing
his True Will has the inertia of the Universe to assist
him.(Illustration: The first principle of
success in evolution is that the individual should be
true to his own nature, and at the same time adapt
himself to his environment.) 14. Man is capable of being, and using,
anything which he perceives, for everything which he
perceives is in a certain sense a part of his being. He
may thus subjugate the whole of the Universe of which he
is conscious to his individual
Will.(Illustration: Man has used the idea
of God to dictate his personal conduct, to obtain power
over his fellows, to excuse his crimes, and for
innumerable other purposes, including that of realizing
himself as God. He has used the irrational and unreal
conceptions of mathematics to help him in the
construction of mechanical devices. He has used his
moral force to influence the actions even of wild
animals. He has employed poetic genius for political
purposes.) 24. Every man has
an indefeasible right to be what he
is.(Illustration: To insist that any one
else should comply with one’s own standards is to
outrage, not only him, but oneself, since both parties
are equally born of necessity.) 25. Every man must do Magick each time he acts
or even thinks, since a thought is an internal act whose
influence ultimately affects action, though it may not
do so at the time.(Illustration: The
least gesture causes a change in a man’s own body and in
the air around him; it disturbs the balance of the
entire Universe, and its effects continue eternally
throughout all space. Every thought, however swiftly
suppressed, has its effect on the mind. It stands as one
of the causes of every subsequent thought, and tends to
influence every subsequent action. A golfer may lose a
few yards on his drive, a few more with his second and
third, he may lie on the green six bare inches too far
from the hole, but the net result of these trifling
mishaps is the difference between halving and losing the
hole.) 26. Every man has a
right, the right of self preservation, to fulfill
himself to the utmost. Men of “criminal nature” are
simply at issue with their true Wills. The murderer has
the Will to Live; and his will to murder is a false will
at variance with his true Will, since he risks death at
the hands of Society by obeying his criminal impulse.
(Illustration: A function imperfectly
performed injures, not only itself, but everything
associated with it. If the heart is afraid to beat for
fear of disturbing the liver, the liver is starved for
blood and avenges itself on the heart by upsetting
digestion, which disorders respiration, on which cardiac
welfare depends.) 28. Every man has a right to fulfill his own
will without being afraid that it may interfere with
that of others; for if he is in his proper place, it is
the fault of others if they interfere with
him.(Illustration: If a man like Napoleon
were actually appointed by destiny to control Europe, he
should not be blamed for exercising his rights. To
oppose him would be an error. Any one so doing would
have made a mistake as to his own destiny, except
insofar as it mught be necessary for him to learn the
lessons of defeat. The sun moves in space without
interference. the order of nature provides an orbit for
each star. A clash proves that one or the other has
strayed from its course. But as to each man that keeps
his true course, the more firmly he acts, the less
likely others are to get in his way. His example will
helpthem to find their own paths and pursue them. Every
man that becomes a Magician helps others to do likewise.
The more firmly and surely men move, and the more such
action is accepted as the standard of morality, the less
will conflict and confusion hamper
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I am going to answer this question by sharing my
experience not only with Sigils but also with Talismans,
Wards, and Amulets. The techniques and insights that I
share have been developed with actual experience.
Since I am discussing multiple items I will
provide MY definition for each.
- Sigils. A statement,
in the form of a symbol, of a specific Magickal INTENT
empowered by the Magickian.
- Amulet. An item WORN
(almost always a necklace) that is a statement, in the
form of a symbol or multiple symbols, of a specific
Magickal INTENT empowered by the Magickian.
- Talisman. An item
CARRIED OR OWNED that is a statement, in the form of a
symbol or multiple symbols, of Magickal INTENT
empowered by the Magickian.
- Ward. A written
group of symbols or Astral CASTING that is a
statement, in the form of a symbol or multiple
symbols, of a specific Magickal INTENT empowered by
the Magickian.
With all of these items,
once empowered, always
empowered. More on this later. First, I
have found that the terms Wards, Talismans and Amulets
can and should be used in the same breath as Sigils.
It has been my learning that they are ALL SIMILAR
just used in different ways and that the methods of
construction and empowerment are also similar. In
each of these their creation is usually to accomplish a
singular intent and their method of action is actually
almost identical. Second, I think that when
constructing Wards, Talismans, Sigils, or Amulets we
need to understand that we are actually constructing
"Circuit Boards". These Circuit Boards follow certain
design principles and the mere fact that they are
PERSONALLY created by the Magickian gives them
power. However, they also
need to be EMPOWERED to be most effective. This
empowerment is usually a PERSONAL Magickal empowerment
performed by the Magickian but can also involve outside
forces.
As a continuation of the above
statement, a Magickian can also ask an Entity to
empower the Ward, Talisman, Sigil, or Amulets with GREAT
EFFECT. Creations that are
empowered in this way often are VERY powerful and this
technique is very effective for Magickians when they are
new to the path. It is CRITICAL that the Entity
chosen for this work correspond with the INTENT of the
Ward, Talisman, Sigil, or Amulet. As a very BASE
example, you do not want to use a Lunar associated
Entity to empower a Solar working UNLESS that is a
specific intent of your working. The reason this is
critical is because the Magickian, at some level,
UNDERSTANDS that these Entities have different aspects
and correspondences and many times they conflict with
each other. It is also important to understand that
the finished working contains the empowerment of BOTH
the Entity and the Magickian.
Third, the design of the Sigil, Ward,
Amulet, or Talisman is meaningless unless empowered.
If a Magickian understands the Magick behind the
creation of these magickal items then that Magickian
also understands that the chosen design is only a
reflection of the Magickian's INTENT. To put it in
simpler terms, a Sigil can be a straight line and that
same identical straight line could be used in multiple
Sigils. It is not the design, it is the EMPOWERED
INTENT that is at work in a Sigil, Amulet, Ward, or
Talisman.
The mere fact that the Sigil is hand
drawn provides it with some personal power. When we
meditate on a Sigil we are also providing it with
personal power. When we focus SPECIFIC INTENT on a Sigil
we are providing it with the Magickian's Magickal
creative power. In each of these
actions a Magickian's INTENT is being focused on the
Sigil and through this act, empowering the Sigil.
However, to create a truly effective Sigil much more is
needed.
The reason that most Magickians use
different designs for their working is to SEPERATE their
INTENT from one design to the next. If one used a
straight line for all their Sigils and were unable to
COMPLETELY remove previous intents from the working then
the working would be corrupted. It is this inability to
remove previous intent that forces many Magickians to
create different designs for different purposes. The method used to derive the design of
the Sigil or the Sigil generator used is, for this
reason, unimportant except that it assists the Magickian
in the separation of INTENT.
Our
Circuit Boards are generally more powerful if we add
more levels of empowerment. Sigils, Wards, Talismans
and Amulets that are empowered multiple times, OVER
time, are more powerful than those that are just charged
once. Each level of empowerment MUST
compliment the other levels and each level of
empowerment MUST flow into the next without breaks in
effect or intent. The circuit must flow without
obstruction. As an example, you would not want to have
one level promote healing, the next wealth, and the next
healing. The energies and YOUR INTENT must flow without
deviation. In this way the Magickian is able to
construct the most effective Ward, Talisman, Sigil, or
Amulet. How does this correspond to the Chaos
method of charging and then forgetting the act? Well, it
probably does not directly, but it does indirectly. I
have never found that forgetting the act was necessary
or important. In fact, reinforcing the act by multiple
chargings increases the power of the working in my
experience. That said, it IS important to KNOW that
the working will be effective as this removes doubt. It
is this removal of doubt that I think is at the root of
the Chaotic Magickian's “forgetting”. If one does
not think about it then they will not have the
opportunity to doubt. Using Planetary time
correspondences also adds a level of empowerment
although, in my experience, this is not as critical.
If you are going to use Planetary
correspondences then you MUST ensure that the
correspondence compliments the working. What the
Magickian should understand is that by using Planetary
correspondences they are actually adding another level
of EMPOWERMENT AND INTENT to the working. Any
correspondences that relate to the working at hand and
that are added to the working adds to the EFFECTIVENESS
OF THE FOCUSED INTENT. Again, this is my experience and
my understanding. Others may see this point
differently. One thing I
never see being discussed when I see discussions of
Sigils is the combining of Sigils to create even more
complicated circuits. It seems that all the Sigil
discussions revolve around a SINGLE intent. However,
this limits the Magickian and the Magickian should
understand that more is sometimes MUCH better.
Placing more than one Sigil in the Ward, Talisman, or
Amulet can multiply the effects of a single Sigil and
can make the "WHOLE more than the SUM of its
parts". I have done this for years and have
had it reinforced even more in the last year. As an example, using one Sigil for
healing, another for pain relief, another for an
analgesic, and another to energize the other Sigils all
in one Talisman, Ward, or Amulet. This is the
method used in many effective Wards, Talismans, and
Amulets. However, over time, it seems that commercialism
has lost this truth in most cases. While on the
subject of commercialism, can a Magickian buy a Sigil,
Talisman, or Amulet and have it be as effective as one
created by a Magickian? While possible, this is beyond
many Magickians. The commercial process leaves out
the Thought Form and INTENT that is so important to the
working. While the finished product CAN be empowered
by a Magickian it is most likely going to be less
effective. This is what I know, but others may see it
differently. Something else I never see being
discussed are time limits. There are NO TIME LIMITS
on Sigils, Wards, Talismans, or Amulets unless the
Magickian puts one on them during construction. Let
me repeat that in a different way. There is NO TIME
LIMIT except that of the Magickian's own power. The Magickian MUST understand
this. These circuits have been known
to last for thousands of years and still be effective.
An example of this would be the
"mummy's curse" where every member of the expedition
that opened the tomb died, some under bizarre
circumstances, within a short time period of opening the
tomb. Knowing this, the Magickian MUST take
into account the "Law of Unintended
Consequences". Either that or destroy the
creation when done with it. This applies to Sigils and
especially applies to Talismans, Amulets, and Wards.
Always set time limits. Others will sleep easier if you
do. Finally, the Magickian, either through
inflaming themselves or through Ritual should strive to
put their ENTIRE Focus, INTENT, and energy into the
working while creating Wards, Sigils, Talismans, or
Amulets. If successful, the Magickian can “see” the
results of their workings in the Astral and they will
see the empowerment of the working visibly. As with any other Ritual, the Magickian
should banish both before and after the working.
This not only removes corrupting influences during the
operation but also removes unwanted energies after the
working is complete. When
creating a Sigil, Talisman, Amulet, or Ward we first
start with our Thought Form which is that which we
desire to accomplish. Using our INTENT the Thought Form
takes shape by creating what we desire to accomplish in
the form of the design of our working. Once the design
is created, we empower our working by focusing our WILL
through our INTENT either by using our power alone or by
also drawing on the power of other forces. If all is
done properly our INTENT manifests in the Astral and
correspondingly in the Physical. As Above, So
Below. One equals the other.I hope this post
proves helpful. Members who read this post are free to
experiment with what I say. I am confident their
experiments will validate my statements. Humbly,
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GrabIndeed
excellent. Thank you, I
AM.There is only a little technical question.
When doing the banishing, how do I protect the
sigil/talisman/etc, so that I do not banish away all the
power from it?I've read that only silk
would protect it, but other sources say cotton is
fine.Myself, I'm thinking that my intent of
banishing everything except the sigil might be enough,
however, that might be optimistic. The banishing rituals
ARE powerful./GrabWhile
this may seem to be a "little" technical question it is
not. It is not even just one question! However I will
address the questions and answer them based on my own
experience. My response will run counter to what others
have said or practice and for that I apologize and say
that I mean no disrespect to any path or the beliefs of
that path. The questions that I gather from this
“little” technical question are as
follows. Does wrapping a Magickal Item in
protective cloth protect the Item from the Banishing?
- Does Banishing effect the Magickal Item?
- Does the Magickian have to be in the same
location as the Sigil, Talisman, Amulet, or Ward in
order to empower it?
1. Does wrapping a
Magickal Item in protective cloth protect the Item from
the Banishing? I will answer this by first asking a
few questions. Are our Banishings so weak that they
cannot penetrate cloth? Does cloth prevent effective
Banishing? Does a Magickian have to be naked in order
for a Banishing to be effective? The answer to all these questions is
NO.I have read in many books and seen
posts in this forum that say that wrapping a Magickal
Item in Silk will protect it. However, if we really look
at this statement we can see that it is false. If
cloth could counter the effects of Banishing then the
LBRP would NEVER work if someone wore clothing.
However, we know that it does don't we? And,
if Magick were so weak that it could
not penetrate some protective cloth then the entire
underlying framework of Magick would be called into
question. Magick is without
limits. But if cloth could prevent our
Magick from being effective then Magick WOULD have
limits wouldn't it? Therefore it cannot be
true.When a Magickian wraps a Magickal Item
in protective cloth it is done with reverence and the
intent to protect it. It is the Magickian''s Will that
it be protected. Put another way, it is the
Magickian's INTENT and WILL that it be protected. What is at work here has nothing to do
with the cloth. What is at work here is the Magickian's
INTENT and WILL. If
the Magickian INTENDS that the Item be protected and
Wills it then the Item will be
protected.Quote: Originally Posted by
Grab Myself, I'm thinking that my intent of
banishing everything except the sigil might be enough,
however, that might be optimistic
Wrap the Magickal Item in old newspaper,
put it in a sock, or just leave it uncovered. It is
the Magickian's INTENT and WILL that protects the
Item. So all that is necessary is that the Magickian
INTEND for the Item to be protected during Banishing and
WILL it and it will be.2. Does Banishing effect the Magickal
Item? While addressed in the above reply I will
discuss TOOLS here in this comment. The TOOLS of the
Magickian are just that, TOOLS. They represent the FOCUS
of the Magickian. Their symbolic meaning assists in
FOCUSING the Magickian's INTENT for the working. As
such, they are an EXTENSION of the
Magickian.Can a
Magickian Banish themselves? Of course not. Nor can they
Banish the power of their Magickal Weapons unless that
is their desire. Having said
that, there is nothing wrong with wrapping them in
protective cloth as it assists the Magickian in focusing
their INTENT and WILL on protecting the Magickal Weapon.
It is important for us to remember what we are
trying to accomplish when we Banish. We rid our
environment of UNWANTED energies. Our INTENTand WILL is
enough to protect those Magickal energies that we want
to remain. However, we must INTEND and WILL for
this protection to
happen.3. Does the Magickian have to be in the
same location as the Sigil, Talisman, Amulet, or Ward in
order to empower it? I will again ask a few
questions to illustrate my point. Is our Magick so weak
that it only works within the Magickal Circle? Can the
effects of our Magick ONLY occur within the Circle? Is
our Magick ineffective outside the Circle? The answer to these questions is
NO.Magick is not affected by time or
distance. Nor are its boundaries limited by this
physical world. A Sigil can be on the other side of
the world or in the Astral and still be empowered by the
Magickian. The same is true for ANY working. We already know this to be true because
many of our Magickal workings are meant to manifest in
the world around us..A Magickian's INTENT and WILL is not
limited by distance nor is the Magickian's POWER. The
object to be empowered can be thousands of miles away or
in the Astral and still be empowered without loss of
effectiveness. A Ward can be cast at ANY location,
physical or astral, all through the WILL of the
Magickian.Now Magickians, being by nature curious
and wanting to prove things for themselves, are going to
read this and desire to test it. I challenge that
what I have said be tested. I am confident that
Magickian's who test my words will validate
them.Humbly, I
AMI will also add that I use INTENT and
WILL as two separate terms in the above post. In my
practice my INTENT and WILL are the same. If I
INTEND it is also my Magickal WILL to do so. I focus my
Magickal Will and my Intent is my Will. Humbly, I
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First I love for others to share their experiences
with the members of this forum. Thank you endor957 for
taking the time to share this with us. I will
have to agree with Master of The Abyss's post. One
should always give a dealline for the
operation. While it is true that the Goetics do
not have the same concept of time that we do, they DO
understand OUR concept of time. In my experience they
will adhere to deadlines as long as the Magickian
imposes them. If, for some reason, they feel the
timeline is too aggressive they will tell you and then
you can discuss alternatives. This is my
experience. Humbly, I AM
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Sharing
knowledge and resources in this Forum is a step in
the right direction. So is freely helping others
with Magick.
I have posted before that
I think that we, as
Magickians, owe the next generation as much of our
knowledge and techniques as we can pass on. A
living Grimoire. I feel strongly about
this.
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Solar Grounding
Ritual
Visualize yourself as
growing very large...huge. Grow until you can put one
foot on the Sun and the other on the Earth. Size DOES
matter! If you can see yourself bigger than the
Galaxies that is even better. See yourself in the
darkness of space with your feet on the two worlds.
Draw up power from the Sun into yourself and
re-direct it into the Earth. Just make certain one
foot (I have always put the Right foot on the Sun) is
firmly planted on the Sun and the other foot is firmly
planted on the Earth. You need to
feel the power rising up from the Sun into your body,
feel your body being infused by this energy, and then
feel the power flow down the other leg into the
Earth.Do this continuously for
about 15 minutes. At the end of
the 15 minutes, shut off the flow to the Earth while
still drawing the power from the Sun. Continue this for
about 1 minute. At the end of this exercise see yourself
shrink down to your normal size.Do this
exercise two to three times a day for the next week.
This exercise should make an immediate difference in
your available energy and should also ground you. I will
not tell you WHAT you will feel however I guarantee you
that you WILL feel the energy within you and passing
through you. Many are unable to do this
exercise for a full 15 minutes when starting. If you
are doing it properly you may need to do it for shorter
periods initially. Additionally, to call this exercise a
“Grounding” exercise is VERY misleading. Once you begin
this exercise you will experience some unusual things
that will open an entire new world to you. This results
of this exercise actually change based on YOUR NEEDS at
the time.
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What Kraig really means is that
it is not a good thing to treat Consecration of tools as
an assembly line operation. This detracts from
the working.Each tool or weapon should be
reverently Consecrated to its purpose without any
distraction of thought. Additionally, especially for
those newer to the path, the
Magickian should "inflame" themselves
specifically for the purpose at
hand. This process of a Magickian inflaming
themselves should have the SPECIFIC FOCUS AND INTENT of
consecrating the tool or weapon to its
purpose.I recommend that those newer to
the path do NOT Consecrate more than one tool or weapon
a day. Instead, they should
spend the entire day focusing their intent on the
Consecration of ONE specific tool or weapon.
In this way the tool or weapon will readily become
the extension of the Magickian that it was meant to be
and truly represent an implement of Focus for the
Magickian's Will.The time of day that
the Consecration is performed is not nearly as important
as the "state" of the Magickian. If performed first
thing in the morning then the Magickian has not had
enough time to purify themselves for the working nor had
time to reach the proper state of "inflaming". I
recommend late afternoon or evening for Consecration
operations. Again, this advice is directed for those new
on the path. The question asked was "would it be cool to Consecrate half of the
tools during the day and half at night." At least
that is the way I interpret the question. My answer as
to the best time of day is above. The Magickian can
do it at either time as long as that time has MEANING
for the Magickian.If the intended
question was whether it would be cool to Consecrate 1/2
of the tool or weapon during the day and the other 1/2
of it at night, my answer is no, it would not be
cool.Humbly, I AM
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Quote: Originally
Posted by Icosiel I have been doing
the LBRP twice a day for a week now, it seems to
have had quite a profound positive effect on me,
never before have I felt so alive, happy and at
peace.
Obviously, my next step it to
get familiar with the middle pillar. I have heard
many things about it's effects such as increasing
clairaudiance, clairvoyance, it can cause problems
if you're not mentally ready for it
etc.
Just wondering what advice
people have and what they experience from it
spirittually, emotionally,
mentally.
Hey my
friend!
If you haven't, I would suggest you
also incorporate the QC into your LBRP ritual.
Additionally, I would not rush to add other things
to the LBRP just yet. I usually recommend at
least a month or two with doing just the
LBRP or the LBRP + QC before adding the MP. ALL
are important. But progressing slowly has
advantages that are not immediately
apparent.
Humbly, I
AM
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Posted by IcosielI have been doing the
LBRP twice a day for a week now, it seems to have had
quite a profound positive effect on me, never before
have I felt so alive, happy and at
peace.Obviously, my next step it to get
familiar with the middle pillar. I have heard many
things about it's effects such as increasing
clairaudiance, clairvoyance, it can cause problems if
you're not mentally ready for it etc.Just
wondering what advice people have and what they
experience from it spirittually, emotionally,
mentally.Hey my friend! If you
haven't, I would suggest you also incorporate the QC
into your LBRP ritual. Additionally, I would not rush to
add other things to the LBRP just yet. I usually
recommend at least a month or two with
doing just the LBRP or the LBRP + QC before adding the
MP. ALL are important. But progressing slowly has
advantages that are not immediately
apparent. Humbly, I AM
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First
this is the The Lesser Key of Solomon Part I
Goetia of the Lemegeton by Aleister Crowley.
It is a Grimoire that contains the necessary
information to summon Demons.
If you
have to ask what this is then you are definitely
not ready to work with it my friend. I say this is
the spirit of friendship. This book is NOT to
be trifled with. The
summonings DO work and the experiences can be very
dangerous for those who practice
it.
I recommend that you spend a lot
of time performing the LBRP, QC, and MP prior to
using this book. You will find these exercises in
this Forum in the Library and read about them in
topics.
Study this book completely and
ensure that you are very familiar with it. In
addition, do not concentrate on the Sigils for the
Entities as that is often enough to summon the
Demon.
Humbly, I AM
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should have made clear that Crowley TRANSCRIBED
this version of the
Goetia.
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Posted by Master of the AbyssSounds like
your circle was no good and the entity was able to touch
you. This is not a big problem, since you banished it,
but you might wish to do a series of banishing rituals
over the next couple of days, meditate a bit more than
usual and/or emphasize being "pure" in whatever ways you
see fit, to purify yourself just in case the entity was
able to effect something in the brief time before you
banished.I agree with MoTA. Many
times these entities will test our Circle and what you
felt was that. I do not know how you did your Circle but
I fear that you failed in procedure. Banish OFTEN
over the next week and DO NOT attempt Evokation of any
kind. You should be doing nothing but energy workings to
build your energy. Perform the LBRP. You can also
perform the following ritual to build energy. I
hope this helps. Humbly, I AM
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That's
all I can find at this time from search on CM Forum. I
haven't quote anything from the repost or other forums.
Will someone fill in the blanks
pls.
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As
a foundational statement, ALL MAGICK OCCURS IN THE
ASTRAL. We may initiate it in the Physical but it
ALWAYS manifests in the Astral. If performed
correctly our Magick will then manifest in our
physical reality if that is our desire.
What is important to understand is that
when we perform ANY Magick in this Physical
reality we are simultaneously performing that
Magick in the Astral. We walk in both world
simultaneously. The same is true about the Circle.
The Circle exists both physically and Astrally (As
Above, So Below). Standing in our physical Circle
we are the Microcosm and exist simultaneously as
the Macrocosm in an Astral Circle.
We walk
simultaneously in both Physical and Astral worlds.
However, when we are just starting our Magickal
journeys we do not realize this. Our Circle serves
many purposes, but acting in one of its primary
functions it creates a bridge between the Physical
and Astral. It allows us to symbolically “see” and
“be in” both Physical and Astral simultaneously.
It also provides protection for us against forces
that could otherwise harm us.
The purpose
of this topic is not to discuss all of the
properties of the Circle or what is does for us.
The purpose of this article is to share my
understanding of the nature of the Circle. The
purpose of this article is to provide you with the
knowledge and tools to demonstrate to you that YOU
ARE THE CIRCLE and always have been.
Many
of us when first starting on our Magickal path
draw the Circle physically. We find a convenient
(or not so convenient) location, draw our Circle,
and perform our rituals. Following this process we
are usually, but not always, disappointed with the
results of our Magick. Our understanding at this
point is strictly confined to this physical
reality. But, since we are trying, the “Gods” take
pity on us and provide us with Magickal
understanding through Magickal lessons, books that
come into our lives at the right time, or insights
given to us.
At this point we usually learn
that we have to “Cast” our Circle. Usually, at
this stage of our development we still physically
draw the Circle. Once we draw our Circle, we use
our Dagger, trace our physical Circle, and
visualize drawing a flaming Circle overlaid over
the Circle we have physically drawn.
After
much practice, we should start seeing the flames
of our Circle and many of us also see a shimmering
wall where the Circle is. At this point we start
to feel proud of our accomplishments because we
can actually “see” our Magick working. We have
worked hard on getting our Circle “right”,
learning how to cast it, and how to create a
flaming Circle. After continued practice the
flames of the Circle become real and the wall
created by the Circle become equally real. At this
point many Magickians stop, mistakenly believing
that they have now achieved what they were
supposed to achieve with regards to the Magickal
Circle. They are content. They are also wrong.
Based on my experience and the experience of many
other Magickians there is a higher level of
understanding.
Many of us come to
understand that the Physical Circle is
unnecessary. Since all Magick occurs in the
Astral, why draw a Physical Circle? Is it even
necessary? The answer is no. We can cast our
Circle in the Astral and achieve the same results.
Many or us cast our Circles in our Magickal
Temples and start performing all of our Ritual in
the Astral (more on this in other Talking Point
Topics).
In the Astral our Circle is real,
achieves the desired effects, and is easier to
cast. Many of us still draw our Circle, but are no
longer confined by physical space. As it turns
out, the Physical Circle was never necessary.
However, many of us had to start in the Physical
and go through the process described in order to
finally come to the understanding that the
Physical is an unnecessary step. In order to cast
the Circle in the Astral you have to KNOW that you
can. For most Magickians this requires they
“learn” the hard way by starting at the “bottom”
and working their way up.
Now we are truly
Magickians! We are performing Magick in the Astral
and
Try this exercise for the
Circle. It will serve as training, validate what I
have told you, and make you KNOW it as truth.
Today, you probably either draw a Circle or "cast"
a Circle. You may draw or cast the circle with you
inside of it. You cleanse and consecrate the
space. You visualize the walls of the Circle. Most
likely you Banish as well. In all cases, when you
are effective with creating a Circle you "FEEL"
the difference. You FEEL the protective capability
of the Circle.
Now try something different.
Cleanse and consecrate YOURSELF. When this is
done, visualize a very tiny "period or ring" or
"bubble" within yourself. Expand this "ring" or
"bubble" which is your Circle out as far as you
desire while visualizing the walls of the Circle
and the "flame" of the Circle just as you would
the other type of Circe. Feel the Circle expand
unbroken and whole. When done, compare the
"FEELING" you experience with your new type of
Circle to the old type. If done correctly, there
should be no difference...except that the new type
of Circle may "FEEL" stronger! Use this new type
of Circle in simple ritual and validate for
yourself that it is just as effective. I want to
make it clear that I use a Circle, not a bubble.
Nor do I know any Ceremonial Magickians that use a
bubble. The only reason I mention it is because I
have heard of some that use this technique. When
it comes time to disperse the Circle...shrink it
back inside yourself so that the Circle closes
completely with no hole in the center. Make it a
period.
This will develop within you the
beginning of KNOWING that you are the Circle. This
new type of Circle can be created almost
instantaneously. Once you get comfortable with it
then in future years you will come into the
knowledge that creating even this new type of
Circle is an unnecessary step. By that time you
will KNOW that you were the Circle all the time.
However, DO NOT GET RID OF THE CIRCLE
until you absolutely KNOW this. Share with me the
results of your experiments!
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Above, So Below". So it is written in the Emerald
Tablet. And it's reverse is true as well. "As
Below, So Above". These are foundational truths in
Magick as far as I am concerned. So lets apply
these to your question.
When physically
drawing a Circle or creating one through the LBRP
we simultaneously create a Circle in the
Astral.
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there is no ONE way of creating a Circle or doing
the LBRP. There is YOUR way. Each individual has
their own. And many modify it after performing it
after awhile because it just "feels" better.
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Voice
Talking Point - The Great Voice
I would like
to talk about the Great Voice. I have seen many posts
about this subject but have not seen anyone describe how
to do a "Great Voice." So, I will share a technique that
I use.
When uttering the Great Voice it is
completely unnecessary to say anything aloud. In fact, I
find that this hinders the effort rather than helps it.
Others may be more comfortable using vocal sounds.
When I use the Great Voice I manifest the
vibrations of the words into the great void and FEEL
their vibrations resonating throughout the void. Okay,
what does that mean?
Visualize yourself in a
dark universe, stars and all. Make yourself LARGE in
this universe. Size does matter! Make yourself LARGER
than the Galaxies and your head touching the ceiling of
the Universe if you want to. When saying the words FEEL
the vibrations of those words within yourself. You
should feel these vibrations shaking the internal fabric
of your body if possible. Every molecule of your Body
should feel the Vibrations.
Believe it or not,
you will know when the vibrations are correct. When they
feel right release them into the void and feel the
entire void vibrate with the vibrations you have
created. In fact you should feel them echoing throughout
the void. If your words "shake" the void then you have
done it correctly.
Of course, I could just be on
drugs...
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Talking Point - KNOWING the
Magick
I, like many others, started doing my Magick
believing that it would work. I performed Ritual and
other Magick using knowledge I had gained from Grimoires
and other Magickal writings.
During my first
years of Magick my success was limited. At first I could
not understand why I sometimes succeeded and other times
I failed miserably. I always determined that I must have
done something wrong and that this was why the Magick
had failed.
Sometimes this was true. However, for
the greatest part, my failure to perform Magick had
nothing to do with how I did it. My failure was in not
KNOWING I could.
When Magickians first start on
their paths they do so believing that Magick is real.
Either that or they have become fascinated with some
aspect of the Occult. Most start to fulfill some desire
while others are just curious. I don't think anyone
starts with the intent of performing the "Great
Work."
What all beginning Magickians have in
common is a lack of confidence in their abilities and
the understanding of how little they know about Magick.
The smartest Magickians NEVER lose their understanding
of how little they know. What many have in common is
their "Faith" that there must be something to Magick or
others would not do it.
As a foundational truth I
offer the following. Magickians cannot do Magick until
they KNOW they can. They can go through the motions,
perform fancy Rituals, make pretty Temples, and dress in
nice ritual robes but it will make no difference in the
effectiveness of their Magick. They can have a mountain
of "Faith" and fail.
We are told that "if we have
FAITH the size of a grain of Mustard seed we can move
mountains." I will say that "if we have KNOWING the size
of a grain of sand we can move the World."
So,
how is a Magickian supposed to KNOW they can do Magick
if they can't perform Magick successfully to begin with?
The answer is simple. Actively practice.
By
performing the LBRP and other rituals we start to "Feel"
the results of our Magickal acts. We can "Feel" the
Magick inside ourselves after performing ritual and we
KNOW we have been successful. The more we practice, the
more we KNOW, because the more we practice, the more we
can "Feel" the Magick working within us. Over time this
"Feeling" of Magick grows stronger. We KNOW. As we grow
in Magick our "Faith" slowly gets replaced with
KNOWING.
As our KNOWING develops it translates
into other parts of our ritual and those rituals start
to become more successful. As we have more and more
successful rituals we start to KNOW our Magick is
working and that we were successful. We did the Magick!
Instead of believing in ourselves we KNOW our
capabilities. Instead of having "Faith" that the Magick
will work we KNOW it will.
It is at this point
that Magickians can really start to do real Magick.
Everything up to this point has been preparation.
However, most Magickians never think about the process
they have just been through. Most Magickians just KNOW
their Magick works. At this point "Faith" is no longer
an issue. It no longer exists. It has been replaced with
KNOWING.
IMHO, as all of us look back we can see
elements of this process in our Magickal growth. Often
without realizing it our Faith became KNOWING and along
with it came consistent Magical Success.
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Hey my friend! Some people are
comfortable with building their view of the world piece
by piece and then defining the sum of the results as the
view. I have always been the
opposite. I create an umbrella structure
into which each new piece of information I receive is
fit into this evolving view of the Universe. In this
way the structure must, by definition, change if new
facts emerge that disagree with it.I have found this to be invaluable in my
pursuit of Magick.One of my foundations
of learning Magick, and life in general, is the
following question that I ask myself. Given that this exists, what must
have occured to produce this
result?This results in there
being no blah. There is only AHA! Some people
cannot fit the facts into their world or Magickal view,
so they either disregard the facts or force them to fit
in ways that are nonsense. That is sad. Yet we see
this every day. Humbly, I AM
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a person's structure of reality constantly
changes, because of new information that enters
it, then that person can only be certian of one
thing...change. In that scenario, MAYBE
is the only possible position on anything.
Flexibility is too rigid a word.
Those that dogmatically hold to the
"My way or no way" path have rigid structures that
they refuse to change. They often ignore
facts because the facts do not fit their
definition of "reality". Because of this they
rigidly hold onto something TOO
long
The difficulty exists that as
we practice or study long enough, and become sure
enough of our own interpretations, we all run the
risk of falling into this trap of rigidity.
That is where I have found that the question that
I ask of myself becomes really
valuable.
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I would not equate Magickal Burnout with an
Abyss experience. In my experience they have no
similarity with each other.
Magickal Burnout
is where the Magickian loses motivation to go forward,
to continue growth. This occurs to us all and occurs
MANY times in our growth. It is
actually a test of our WILL to persevere and the
Magickian that overcomes this only grows
stronger.
The Abyss experience occurs
in all paths as far as I can determine. It is triggered by growth. When the
Magickian's growth reaches a certain point the Abyss
experience is triggered automatically. While the experience can be triggered
intentionally I do NOT recommend this for any
Magickian.
The Abyss
experience results in a complete transformation of the
Magickian. When the Magickian
SUCCESSFULLY crosses the Abyss they emerge not only
strengthened but also destroyed. What they were
they no longer are. They lose that which previously had
identified them and become something new. The experience
is different for each Magickian and terror of the Abyss
is also different for each Magickian. That said, the
result is the same for ALL Magickians. Ego is destroyed.
That and much more.
How do you survive the
Abyss? Become NOTHING. Only by becoming nothing can
the Magickian hope to emerge as
EVERYTHING.
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The greatest insult to a
person is to be ignored. I have seen this in
these Forums and it disturbs me.
Your posts,
as well as the posts of many females and other male
members, I find intelligent and very worthwhile. If
others miss this, then that is their loss. While I do
not comment on every post that does not mean that I do
not find value in them.
The comment about the
newbie issue does have some merit. If one goes back to
last summer (a year ago) you will remember that newbies
almost NEVER posted in the CM Forum or, if they did,
they were shot down fairly quickly by the experienced
magickians and armchair types. Although many of the
moderators did try to stem this it still occured.
Newbies used to be flamed constantly.
Compare
that to today where the majority of the posts are made
by newbies and the more experienced Magickians attempt
to help. Where flaming rarely occurs. It is the attitude
that has changed and not the Forum itself.
Again
I will say the following. This is YOUR Forum
and if it needs changing then YOU need to change
it. I say this to ALL members. The attitude that changed in the CM forum
was brought about by a few. You too can do this.
Did we lose a few members in the CM forum? Yes, but not
very many. We lost far more due to the hacking that has
occured. Nor am I taking credit for it. It was the
concerted efforts of many moderators and members that
brought about this change.
Should the CM forums
and the other Forums change? Of course they should as
they should reflect the values of ALL members and not
just a few. And I think this is an evolving thing and
that the Forums will always change to reflect the
membership.
This is not meant to be an open
license for anarchy. However this is a Forum for ALL
members as long as they are respectful of others beliefs
and are willing to participate. As long as they do not
attack and are open to other's ideas. This is not
idealism...it is fact.
One issue that exists
today is that it is very difficult to respond to every
post, PM, and email. I get TONS of PMs and emails and I
try to answer all of them. So do many other Magickians.
Most of these ask for advice that requires detailed
answers. Some are just to say hi! And I welcome and enjoy ALL of
them. However, sometimes there is not enough
time in the day and, in my case, sometimes my medical
condition prevents my response to posts. However, that
does not mean that those posts are not valuable or do
not have merit. They do.
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Originally Posted by
LadyHydralisk I've noticed a trend
amongst ceremonial magicians, and that is the fact
if you're not male, you get condescending
attitudes or automatic assumption you want to hit
the sack with the first eligable male (female
ceremonial magicians are hard to come by, it
seems)
If you're into demons, death
spells and other weird things, they might respect
you but want to have very little to do with you.
(Thars just somethin wrong with that thar
female)
Of course it's all very
subtle and if you point it out I am thinking it
will be denied that this glass ceiling is there.
If I use a male alias, the difference is like
night and day in how I am treated. Fortunately,
unlike the business world, you can advance by
screwing demons instead of stuffed suits (well, in
this case robes)
I think its pretty
funny and pretty sick too
What do
you
think?
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have noted with amusement the number of different
replies to this topic. As the Lady said
Quote:
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Originally Posted by
LadyHydralisk well yeah satan forbid
this thread actually stays remotely on
topic
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I did feel the need to make a few comments on the more
prevalent themes I have noticed. The themes that have
emerged are as follows.1. Penises, the
Circumcised Penis, Hygiene, and Pleasure.2.
Breast size and adequacy.3.
Intersexuals.4. The Cartoon
Network.5. High versus Low
Magick6. The Phallic symbology of the
creative current of Magick.7. The purity and
imbalance of Yin and Yang.8. The Gender of
Magick9. THE REAL TOPIC
QUESTION.My comments are as
follows:1. Penises, the Circumcised
Penis, Hygiene, and Pleasure. I have never noticed
that the fact that I was circumcised affected how I
treated women in magick. That would go for my hygiene as
well. Since I have always been a solitary magickian I
guess that would mean that my relationship with my penis
has always been solitary as well. 2.
Breast size and adequacy. It is possible that breast
size can affect vibratory effects in ritual and I have
always considered myself at a disadvantage in ritual
because of this. 3. Intersexuals. I am not
certain they are more guilty than anyone else of
discriminating against women in CM. 4. The
Cartoon Network. Frankly, I was unaware that the
network or the show in question discriminated against
women in CM. Thank you for bringing this to my
attention. 5. High versus Low Magick.
Personally, I do not hold with any definitions of High
and Low magick as I do not think they exist. One name
just sounds more impressive than the other.
I think that many of us when
we first start out like to be impressed with ourselves.
Let's compare a Ritual that uses a candle and words with
a summoning. Compare "Last night by lighting a Candle
and saying the ritual words of a spell I created magick
to increase my love life" to "Last night I summoned the
Demon Sitri into my midst and Commanded the Demon
to increase my love life". Which one sounds more
impressive? Hmmmmm....Lighting a Candle...Summoning a
Demon?
The method does not matter...it is
the RESULTS that count.6. The
Phallic symbology of the creative current of Magick.
One could equally say that the Circle represented the
Vagina. By immersing ourselves in it we provide the seed
which gives birth to Magick. And I,
who for years have known that I am the Circle, have
really been a vagina all this time! Now that is a
visual isn't it? 7. The purity and imbalance
of Yin and Yang. In many of my posts in the old OF I
said that magick was about balance. That is true in many
forms. The symbol of Yin and Yang is in perfect BALANCE.
What does that say about the
importance of both the Female and Male principles in
Magick? 8. The Gender of Magick.
As Above, So Below contains no references to Gender. As
Within, So Without contains no references to Gender.
Magick is without Gender and EQUALLY
available to all.9. THE REAL TOPIC
QUESTION. Now, what was the original question again?
Oh yeah. Discrimination in CM. Well, in this Forum it
HAS existed and it is worse I think in other Forums.
This area of Magick has been dominated by males for so
long that they think that women cannot perform
Ceremonial Magick. That is simply NOT
TRUE.There are some VERY
talented female Ceremonial Magickians both present and
past in these Forums. In fact, there are very talented
females in ALL paths of Magick all throughout the Forums
of OF and other Forums as well. Many of these females
are more talented and powerful than many of the males in
this forum. The reverse is also true. Many males
are more talented powerful than many of the females in
this Forum. Discussing this makes about as much sense
as discussing virginity among whores...it really is
meaningless.
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Originally Posted by
LadyHydralisk If you're into demons,
death spells and other weird things, they might
respect you but want to have very little to do
with you. (Thars just somethin wrong with that
thar
female)
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wish there were far more ladies doing these things. I
imagine the Demons wish so too. I think they must be
tired of seeing ugly old farts like me all the
time.
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Originally Posted by
LadyHydralisk I've noticed a trend
amongst ceremonial magicians, and that is the fact
if you're not male, you get condescending
attitudes or automatic assumption you want to hit
the sack with the first eligable male (female
ceremonial magicians are hard to come by, it
seems)
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not remember when I asked all of you ladies in CM to hit
the sack with me but I am on drugs and my memory is
faulty. I just hope it was as
good for all of you as it must have been for
me!
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Originally Posted by
LadyHydralisk If I use a male alias,
the difference is like night and day in how I am
treated.
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condescending attitude is true as I have noticed it as
well. However, as with anything else RESPECT also plays
a role. In Magick there actually exists a more equal
playing field than in many other areas of life. Either you can do it or you can't.
If you are female and you are successful in Magick I
guarantee you that you have my respect and, I have
noticed, the respect of others. That said, I have noticed that women seem to have to
prove themselves BEFORE some will listen to them while
men seem to get the benefit of the doubt even if they
are idiots. We need to change that. Want to help? If
so, then do NOT stand for it. Do NOT accept it. Either
confront it or get one of us moderators. While that will
NOT stop all of the subtle discrimination it will
address a lot of it.
Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by
LadyHydralisk Fortunately, unlike the
business world, you can advance by screwing demons
instead of stuffed suits (well, in this case
robes).
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have noticed that the Demons seem to be in a better mood
lately!
Quote:
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Originally Posted by
LadyHydralisk (female ceremonial
magicians are hard to come by, it
seems)
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there are probably a lot of reasons for this I would say
that this is changing. Female Magickians such as
yourself and and all the other very talented females on
the Magickal path in this forum are changing it. And
that makes me happyFinally, I will say this.
If any of the ladies feel that they are not being
treated with respect in the CM forum please let me know.
While I have not been on the Forums that much lately I
DO NOT put up with this. Neither do the other moderators
in the CM forum. It is a forum open to all as far as I
am concerned. I apologise if I have not moved in the
past to stop this behavior but I will pay a LOT of
attention to it in the future. Humbly, I AM
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vanity is a plight of the individual. Not of the
Great Work.
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started with this portion of the post to emphasize it.
It should be remembered when reading what
follows.
Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fell Watch
your thoughts; they become words. Watch
your words; they become actions. Watch
your actions; they become habits. Watch
your habits; they become
character. Watch your character; it
becomes your
destiny.
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and every thought becomes action at some level. They
become REALITY whether or not that is the intention of
the person that thinks those thoughts. Because
thoughts manifest, they are able to shape the world of
the individual and the individual is moulded by this
changing reality. IMO, All the in between
words are unnecessary. It is the manifestation of
thought that changes the reality. Thoughts do not evolve into our destiny
they CREATE it.
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Originally Posted by Fell I am
sick of hearing this argument that all acts are
magical. And anyone wanting to throw "will" at me,
any act of will is a magical act... well sure. But
pure will requires absolution of the ego, and I
can guarantee you that not one person on this site
has accomplished such. Perhaps in states of
trance, as many of us have, but I notice very few
applying this to their overall goals in
development. My focus has always been ego
abolishment, as I see it as a disease and I know
will = intuition and that the overall program that
is me lies beyond the ego. I give up my
individuality in small chunks in order to free up
my will/intuition. My will, hence, is not my own.
Yes, it is my
macro-program.
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because an act is mundane does not make it less
magickal. When a flower opens its petals we
consider it beautiful but mundane. However consider
this. Can we make the petals of the flower open by using
our WILL? If we cannot then we should ask which magickal
power is greater. That of the flower that opens the
petals effortlessly or that of the Magickian who fails
to make the petals open through the focus of Magickal
Will? Which is the greater truth
and power; The flower's magick that thwarted the
Magickian's Will or the Magickian's belief that the
flower was mundane?A child that stands
for the first time or that takes its first steps has
performed powerful Magick. The
child has imposed its WILL on an unwilling and
previously uncontrollable vehicle and has brought about
its INTENT through an act of WILL. If
that is not Magick then what
is?
You say that
pure will requires the absolution of the EGO and go on
to say that no one on this site has accomplished this.
We need to be careful not to impose
our limits on others. Such statements
could be considered vain and could be viewed as the EGO
emerging. I submit that we cannot judge the Magickal
state of another unless we KNOW it. That person
that we consider mundane or lacking growth could easily
have been a powerful Magickian in a previous life and
their growth could actually be far superior to ours. I
would also submit that by making this statement one is
really saying that they have
not yet seen evidence that a person like
this exists here on this site. This could be true. Or
it could be eyes that cannot see. Who's limits are we talking about
here? Again, we must be careful about imposing
our limits on others.
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Originally Posted by Fell I would
say that any sliver of thought or literacy,
anything read, is moot in light of the Akashic
reference. Let's say for debate's sake that the
Akasha is applicable here. Then anything read is
useless as it's already contained within the
hierarchy of consciousness at some point. The
level of access any given person has to the
Akashic library is dependent on their progress
towards true intituition, hence ego abolishment.
Ego interferes with intuition. So I could read all
I want, but it is my ego that will either hamper
or harness that
knowledge.
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is true that the EGO and INTELLECT are often the enemies
of growth. That said, reading and study are powerful
ways to start the breaking down of both EGO and
INTELLECT. Failure to study is a
failure to act. By your own admission you
studied much prior to initiating practice. And, I
submit, that study was ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY to bring you
to where you are. One cannot
sit around and "wait" for enlightenment or
Magickal growth to strike them. One
has to act. Study, practice, more
study, learning, insight, and assistance from others all
are necessary to bring the Magickian's growth about.
For, in truth, all real knowledge is learned in the
Magickal Realms (Astral) and it is there that the most
powerful lessons are absorbed. It is
that knowledge that we bring to this
Physical Reality.
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Originally Posted by Fell On the
other hand, it is my nature and true will's
disposition which will see me through to my
nature. If it requires something for the program
(the true self, the Great Work) to function
properly, sans ego, then it will intuit that
knowledge, but more likely to proffer forth
experiences that will shape a personal relation
with such knowledge on a much more relative and
subjective
level.
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this intuited knowledge that drives the aspiring
Magickian to READ, STUDY, and DISCUSS Magick. It is
through these mundane actions that additional
experiences become available. And, while it is true
that experiences occur as they are necessary to achieve
our growth, they are only part of a larger energy in our
lives that you would call TRUE WILL that is continually
shaping the individual and preparing them for further
growth.
Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fell Take
the sexual abuse of children: almost always they
refer to "another place" in which you go. This
sidereal place is an esoteric experience, privy to
those in states of trauma and those experimenting
with whoop-dee-doo occult texts, as well as New
Age books, or even learned through the combination
of psychedelics and any number of fictitious works
by the likes of Clive Barker, Iain Banks, Graham
Joyce, Tom Robbins, Isaac Asimov, Frank Herbert,
R. Scott Bakker, Mark Z. Danielewski, Lewis
Carroll, and a whole host of
others.
| This
place they go to is a place of THEIR creation. And,
often, that place becomes a prison from which they
cannot escape. There is no
universal place where the abused "go".
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Originally Posted by Fell What is
practise? It is the application of the theories
provided in these occult texts. And that is all
they are until put to practise: theories.
Untill it is proven, and in a
phenomenological-type world which contemporary
magic holds dear, all is simply a refraction of a
subjective experience. Lessons may be passed along
in this inter-subjective tapestry in which we
share experiences, but overall magic is the act of
imposing oneself on the overall matrix, onto the
inter-subjective tapestry in which we're all
tied.
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say this much differently. Magick is not theory. It just
IS. It is real. It surrounds us in all that we do.
When we practice we are taking what we believe to be true and validating it.
Practice
is our method of overcoming the limitations that our EGO
and INTELLECT often put on us.
The more we practice the more REAL the
Magick becomes for us. After time, we no
longer have to believe; we KNOW. That is the intent of practice and its
ultimate result.
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all you want, it's not going to change much. The
book is simply one of many possible experiences
with which the Higher Self is going to bring about
its lessons to the shell which is experiencing
this time-space via the ego. Yes, literature
works, but it is simply one
method.
| How
can one place a higher value on one part of learning
over another? ALL are
necessary to bring us to where we need to ultimately
be.
Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fell You
take one bimbo from some top-forty club and give
her a book on anything remotely spiritual. Hell,
you take her under your wing and spend day and
night teaching her. If its not in the overall
macro-program for her at that point, then your
efforts will be all in
vain.
| Is this
observation a true reality or is it vanity and EGO?
One should be very careful when "judging" the level
of another's Magickal growth. Viewed in this one
lifetime our evaluation may be correct. However, when
viewed over many lifetimes the answer may well be much
different. It is a mistake to judge another's true
growth unless one has seen it in its
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Originally Posted by TaylorE I've just
started up school again. I'm currently pursuing my
ph.d in Literacy, Rhetoric, and Social Practice.
One of the projects I'm working on is the Literacy
of Magick. i'm currently reading William Covino's:
Magic, Rhetoric and he discusses two models of
magic practice.
One model is the
arresting practice of magic, which restricts
access to knowledge and learning. I tend to think
of dogmatic magickians as arrested
practitioners.
The second model is a
Generative practice of magick, which encourages
critical thinking, questioning the systems of
discourse as well as other systems and utilizing
magick as a way of challenging and changing the
systems.
I've some other books I'll
be reading soon, but I've been mulling this idea
of literacy and magick for quite some time. So I'm
curious what are your thoughts on what literacy is
and how, if at all, its applicable to magickal
practice?
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your post you mention Literacy and question what its
application is to Magickal practice. You also divide
Literacy into Arresting and Generative Practices and
supply definitions for both. My response will probably
diverge from others that may post in this Topic. So will
my definitions. First, we must separate Magick
from the paths taken to discover it. Magick in your
examples is the goal that both Arresting and Generative
paths are pursuing. Because of
this, both the Arresting and Generative paths are
nothing but vehicles. They are not the
destination. In the same way that Ritual is a
vehicle and not the destination, so too are ALL paths of
practice leading to the discovery and manifestation of
Magick in our lives. In all cases, these paths and
practices are the vehicle which carry us to the INITIAL
destination which is the MAGICK ITSELF. It is
through these paths and practices that we come to know
the Magick. Upon arriving at this initial
destination, a new and different journey begins.
This journey is beyond any path and
outside of any vehicle that enabled the journey to begin
with. However, this journey is also a vehicle
and the destination this time is not so clear. In
this case the destination becomes a method of
understanding the Magick in our lives, the Magickal
foundations of our universe, and Magick's influence over
time and space as we know it. In
this journey, we are not learning so much as we are
evolving. And in this journey the difference
between Subjective and Objective learning
disappears.It is during this journey in
Magick that we come to understand that the path to get
there was meaningless. However, once we begin this
new journey, we recognize that the journey in
Magick IS meaningful, has structure, and has many
levels of understanding and knowledge. If the
definitions you provide describe the vehicles that bring
us to the Magick then a possible definition for the
vehicle that is Magick is AWARENESS. It is during this journey that we truly
become AWARE of both the Magick and our place and
purpose in this new reality.
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nearly got killed due to sloppy magickal
workings?
By what? Demons (or
figments of his
imagination)?
| Specktackular, It
is obvious from many of your posts that you consider
Magick to be a MENTAL exercise and not a real one. This
is simply not true. The only figments in magick are
created by those that have not practiced.
The entities of Magick exist and those
who believe otherwise have just not experienced them
yet. The Archagngels are REAL. The Astral is REAL.
Crowley almost dying is
not a unique experience among Magickians. It is a
REAL phenomena. I AM
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I would look within yourself first. Were you
centered? Was your mind really on the work at hand? Were
you distracted by your NEED? Crowley once said
that we should never lust after the result. He was
correct. It is the magick that is important. If the
magick is done perfectly the result WILL
occur. Perhaps grounding yourself, centering
yourself, and not worrying about the result will bring
you to where you desire to be. Humbly, I
AM
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I
have seen Demons. I have talked to Demons. I am
not insane. I have also seen and talked to other
entities. MANY Magickians have also done this.
There is more to our world than many
suppose. Either we are ALL deluded or others need
to enlarge their perception of
reality.
Humbly, I
AM
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Your
description of a Demon is ACCURATE. It is impossible to name the Demon
you encountered with the information you have
provided. There are more Demons than you
can count and its identity is really not
important.
Doh is correct in her
advice. Someone has
directed the Demon to attack you. This is not an
idle event. PaulS and his advice is also
sound. Within the Christian religion are
methods to thwart this kind of attack.
I am going to suggest something that
will surprise you. The next time you encounter
this Demon tell it that you are not its enemy. You
are a friend. Ask it to tell you why it is
attacking and then LISTEN to the response. Then
thank it and ask it to leave.
Demons
may respond to those that control it but that does
not mean that they have to like it. Most times they do not. You
can often convert this Demon from attacker to
friend and end your problems as well. You just
have to be willing to try.
Doing this
DOES NOT MEAN that you are embracing Demons or
being Un-Christian. Nor does it mean that you are
giving yourself over to Demons or Satan. You will still be Christian, still
have your heart and soul belong to your God, and
yet gain a new understanding of the Universe
around you.
I wish you well my
friend.
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First I would like to say that I am Ceremonial
and I DO NOT buy into the preaching, the forced concept
of magick, that has been posted by ONE person in this
topic.As I said in my first post (many
years ago it now seems) the Magick that Chaos Magickian
uses, IMHO, exists within other structured ceremonial
paths as well as other magickal paths. Chaos Magickians have removed the dogma
and have freed themselves to expand the boundries of
Magick and its practice. NOTHING IS REAL and
that includes the prisons that bound Chaos Magickians in
other Paths.One person has gone on and on
about Chaos and reality without ever understanding or
STUDYING Chaos Magick. I am equally uncertain whether
this person has EVER really actively practiced
anything. While I may get flamed for this, I
SEE the structure in Chaos Magick. IMO, it is the
foundational principle of all Magick. It is based on
INTENT, FOCUS, and WILL. That of the Magickian. This
is NOT a complicated concept although at least one
person desires to make it so. If
this is true then this concept is contained in ALL
Magick and ALL Paths.Magick does not
lead to breakdowns or pyschosis. People do. Either
they approach Magick being already unbalanced and the
Magick magnifies the problems or they tackle a higher
process than they are ready for. In
neither of these cases in the Magick at fault.
And this issue exists in ALL paths of Magick and even
religion as well. How many unbalanced religious
people have we known? I submit that there are
many. In an earlier post I said that I was both a
Ceremonial Magickian and a Chaos Magickian and that I
was unable to seperate the two. What I meant by that is
that I recognize what I consider to be foundational
principles that are contained in Chaos Magick because I
use them myself. Humbly, I AM
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Originally Posted by Froclown "I
SEE the structure in Chaos Magick. IMO, it is the
foundational principle of all Magick. It is based
on INTENT, FOCUS, and WILL. That of the
Magickian." I AM
Thus, the only reason to seperate
Chaos magick from Thelema at all, is that Chaos
magick refused to believe in the obvious, that
there is a real reality, you have a Real body out
in this real world, and that your thoughts, and
beliefs do not directy effect this
reality.
Magick
changes reality only indirectly it focuses the
Will which promotes action rather than laziness
and procrastination. Thus, magick does not make
money myseriously appear out of thin air, it makes
you motivated to go any and get a job!. Actions
alone effect Real relaity, thoughts and beliefs
can change the way we see reality, but they never
change what is really True about
reality.
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times in my Magick I HAVE needed money, HAVE done Magick
to receive it, and HAVE HAD that money appear in
completely bizarre ways that had NOTHING to do with my
physical efforts in this reality.Right after
I married the first time we desperately needed money. I
was in the U.S. Navy and about to go on cruise in 5 days
and was in the position where my wife would be left with
very little money to take care of her. I did not
perform Ceremonial Magick...I performed what I define as
Chaos Magick. I performed Magick that
required that money be provided to us without death or
injury coming to anyone. We had just moved
to Virginia. I had moved from Hawaii and she had moved
from New Jersey. My household goods had already arrived
but hers had not. Two days after I performed my Magick
we were informed that her household goods had been
destroyed. I later found out that two hours
after I performed my Magick her household goods were
destroyed in a fire that started INSIDE the moving company's trailer
while on the Company's property parked in the parking
lot. I was insured for household goods at 100% of
replacement value. We got paid $26,000 U.S. Now
although it is true that the Law of Unintended
Consequences hit me, and that this was NOT how I wanted
to get the money, the fact remains that money
appeared directly due to the Magick that I had
performed. My Magick DIRECTLY affected THIS Physical
Reality. Those that would
call this coincidence just do not understand
Magick.The lessons to be derived from
this factual experience is that Magick CAN CHANGE
PHYSICAL REALITY and that one has to be very careful to
ensure that unintended consequenses are FULLY negated in
Magick. Thus, your
statementQuote:Originally Posted
by Froclown Thus, magick does not make
money myseriously appear out of thin air, it makes you
motivated to go any and get a job!
is false and does not match the
REAL experience of others. This statement is not
grounded in correct Magickal Theory or Practice but on
an incorrect interpretation of Magick. I could
provide many other examples but I think this one will do
nicely. Your statements are grounded
in THIS PHYSICAL REALITY and until your REAL experience
allows you to accept the FACT that there is an entire
Magickal reality out there that affects this PHSYICAL
reality AT WILL then you will never be on the same
Magickal level as many who have posted in the
topic.Humbly, I AM
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would go so far as to say a man who thinks that by
wearing a special suit and performing certain
movements saying the right words, he can compel a
rock to float, in the same way that a conductor
commands an orchestra, is a psychotic and deluded
individual)
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freely admit that, under your definition, I am both
psychotic and deluded. However, your statement makes me
question what you are.You preach incessantly
about True Will which was popularized by Crowley. Yet
in all of your comments about the capabilities of Magick
you ignore many of Crowley's Theorums of Magick. I
will list a few. These Theorums I supply are numbered
for MY convenience and not in the order that Crowley
gave them. The highlights are mine as
well. 1.Magick is the Science and Art of causing
Change to occur in conformity with Will. 2.Every
intentional act is a Magickal act. 3. Every failure proves that one or more
requirements of the postulate have not been
fulfilled.4. Man is
ignorant of the nature of his own being and powers. Even
his idea of his limitations is based on experience of
the past, and every step in his progress extends his
empire. There is therefore no reason to assign
theoretical limits to what he may be, or what he may
do.5. Man is capable
of being, and using, anything which he perceives, for
everything which he perceives is in a certain sense a
part of his being. He may thus subjugate the whole of
the Universe of which he is conscious to his individual
Will.6. Every force in
the Universe is capable of being transformed into any
other kind of force by using suitable means.
There is thus an inexhaustible supply of any particular
kind of force that we may need. 7.A man may learn
to use any force so as to serve any purpose, by taking
advantage of the above theorems. 8.He may attract
to himself any force of the Universe by making himself a
fit receptacle for it, and arranging conditions so that
its nature compels it to flow toward him. 9. There is no limit to the extent of the
relations of any man with the Universe in essence; for
as soon as man makes himself one with any idea the means
of measurement cease to exist. But his power to
utilize that force is limited by his mental power and
capacity, and by the circumstances of his human
environment. Crowley clearly understood that
there were NO LIMITS TO MAGICK BUT OUR OWN. There are NO
limits. Our reality is subject to
our Will.Practicing Magickians
( You are speaking to many
here) KNOW that Magick can change our physical
reality. Many here create Sigils for just that
purpose. They do other Magick as well. They see their
results manifest in this reality all the time. Your
laws of Physics are constructs of THIS REALITY and not
the Magickal one.
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Froclown Magick is about manipulating
beliefs and
perceptions.
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you have described is STAGE MAGIC, not true Magick.
True Magick is about manifesting
our WILL and INTENT in the Astral and Physical.
Your comment is typical of “Arm Chair”
Magickians. The difference between you and I
is the difference between BELIEF and KNOWING. You
believe. I KNOW.
The gulf that exists between us cannot be crossed in
this topic. I will leave you with this tale about
an Egyptian Magickian that others may have seen before.
This Magickian was obviously deluded and psychotic,
either that or the scribe that recorded this event
was. If this Magickian could hold back hundreds
of tons of water (700 years before Moses) then I don't
think a tiny little rock would be a problem, do
you? Humbly, I AM
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Originally Posted by Egyptian Magick by
E.A. Wallace Budge Chapter One Later on
in the history of Moses' dealings with the
Egyptians we find the account of how "he stretched
out his hand over the sea, and the Lord caused the
sea to go back by a strong east wind all that
night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters
were divided. And the children of Israel went into
the midst of the sea upon the dry ground; and the
waters were a wall unto them on their right hand,
and on their left." When the Egyptians had come
between the two walls of water, by God's command
Moses stretched forth his hand over the sea, "and
the sea returned to his strength," and the "waters
returned, and covered the chariots, and the
horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came
into the sea after them."
But the
command of the waters of the sea or river was
claimed by the Egyptian magician long before the
time of Moses, as we may see from an interesting
story preserved in the Westcar Papyrus. This
document was written in the early part of the
XVIIIth dynasty, about B.C. 1550 but it is clear
that the stories in it date from the Early Empire,
and are in fact as old as the Great Pyramid. The
story is related to king Khufu (Cheops) by
Baiu-f-Râ as an event which happened in the time
of the king's father, and as a proof of the
wonderful powers of magic which were possessed by
the priest called Tchatcha-em-ânkh.
It seems that on a certain day king
Seneferu was in low spirits, and he applied to the
nobles of his royal household expecting that they
would find some means whereby his heart might be
made glad; but as they could do nothing to cheer
up the king, he gave orders that the priest and
writer of books, Tchatcha-em-ânkh, should be
brought into his presence immediately, and in
accordance with the royal command he was at once
brought. When he had arrived, Seneferu said to
him, "My brother, I turned to the nobles of my
royal household seeking for some means whereby I
might cheer my heart, but they have found nothing
for me." Then the priest made answer and advised
the king to betake himself to the lake near the
palace, and to go for a sail on it in a boat which
had been comfortably furnished with things from
the royal house. "For," said he, "the heart of thy
Majesty will rejoice and be glad when thou sailest
about hither and thither, and dost see the
beautiful thickets which are on the lake, and when
thou seest the pretty banks thereof and the
beautiful fields then shall thy heart feel
happiness." He next begged that the king would
allow him to organize the journey, and asked his
permission to let him bring twenty ebony paddles
inlaid with gold, and also twenty young virgins
having beautiful heads of hair and lovely forms
and shapely limbs, and twenty nets wherein these
virgins may array themselves instead of in their
own ordinary garments. The virgins were to row and
sing to his Majesty.
To these
proposals the king assented, and when all was
ready he took his place in the boat; while the
young women were rowing him about hither and
thither the king watched them, and his heart
became released from care. Now as one of the young
women was rowing, she entangled herself in some
way in her hair, and one of her ornaments which
was made of "new turquoise" fell into the water
and sank; she ceased to row, and not herself only,
but all the other maidens ceased to row also. When
the king saw that the maidens had ceased from
their work, he said to them, "Will ye not row?"
and they replied, "Our leader has ceased to row."
Then turning to the maiden who had dropped her
ornament overboard, he asked her why she was not
rowing, whereupon she told him what had happened.
On this the king promised that he would get back
the ornament for her.
Then the king
commanded that Tchatcha-em-ânkh should appear
before him at once, and as soon as the sage had
been brought into his presence he said to him, "O
Tchatcha-em-ânkh, my brother, I have done
according to thy words, and the heart of my
Majesty became glad when I saw how the maidens
rowed. But now, an ornament which is made of new
turquoise and belongeth to one of the maidens who
row hath fallen into the water, and she hath in
consequence become silent, and hath ceased to row,
and hath disturbed the rowing of those in her
company. I said to her, 'Why dost thou not row?'
and she replied, 'An ornament [of mine] made of
new turquoise hath fallen into the water.' Then I
said to her, 'I will get it back for
thee.'"
Thereupon the priest and
writer of books Tchatcha-em-ânkh spake certain
words of power (hekau), and having thus caused one
section of the water of the lake to go up upon the
other, he found the ornament lying upon a
pot-sherd, and he took it and gave it to the
maiden. Now the water was twelve cubits deep, but
when Tchatcha-em-ânkh had lifted up one section of
the water on to the other, that portion became
four and twenty cubits deep.
The
magician again uttered certain words of power, and
the water of the lake became as it had been before
he had caused one portion of it to go up on to the
other; and the king prepared a feast for all his
royal household, and rewarded Tchatcha-em-ânkh
with gifts of every kind.
Such is a
story of the power possessed by a magician in the
time of king Khufu (Cheops), who reigned at the
beginning of the IVth dynasty, about B.C. 3800.
The copy of the story which we possess is older
than the period when Moses lived, and thus there
can be no possibility of our seeing in it a
distorted version of the miracle of the waters of
the sea standing like walls, one on the right hand
and one on the left; on the other hand Moses'
miracle may well have some connexion with that of
Tchatcha-em-ânkh.
Egyptian Magick by
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Originally posted by LadyHydraliskI
absolutely love Crowley, I always will!
How could I fault him for the same mistake I made: being
too trusting? They always say it's the infernals you
have to watch out for. The worst they've done to me is
give me physical burns, inadvertantly. On the other
hand...these entities...connected to my deck, who are
considered to be harbingers of the New Age in many parts
of the world almost killed me, purposefully,
vindictively, in the most cowardly ways possible, when I
refused their goodwill. Not very parental, I assure
you. Because you indicated you wish to know more,
and because I really have no way of putting into words
my own experiences with Horus, let me share with you
some more of what I AM wrote. I feel it may be of
importance for research purposes. I am sharing this now
because I deliberated for days to come to a conclusion:
on whether I had the guts to share it or not, in public.
Not because I am afraid of repercussions, but because I
wanted to be sure it was the right sources telling me to
uncover this. So to prologue the story: I am not
s***ing you when I tell you that I AM saved my life not
two weeks ago. For that I am grateful because he was in
great pain, and that pain was extended in order to offer
aid to his fellows, instead of finding his reward in the
afterlife. On the phone he told me he wanted me to post
more because I could get away with saying things he
could not. I promised I would return as soon as things
slowed down around here (They have NOT, as fun as it
is!) I will try to live up to that promise. It is enough
to know that when I say the things I say, I mean them in
utter seriousness. I do consider the weight behind what
am about to say. I AM did not want to be known as a good
magician. In fact he would not admit to me that he was
an experienced wizard, even after I pestered him about
it for months. Other good people, friends of I AM know
the story I am about to relate, but I think the facts
stand for themselves, without anyone having to relate
their perspectives. I say this because I will take on
and defeat the FULL force of the backlash, whether from
the OTO or any guttersnipes who dare come within five
heartbeats of my astral space. I post it, first, because
I think the truth cannot be hidden, because I feel
outraged at I don't want anyone else involved in the
problems. I also think it depicts wizardry at it's
finest: the capacity for mercy, humility and reason
while at the same time, weilding source-driven power. I
am outraged with what happened with the CM library and
the OTO temple. I feel compelled to say this. Still, I
am closing my eyes and wincing when I hit "Submit
Reply"...  Ah only the thunderbirds outside my window
right now could compel me to endure this kind of torture
:P This is one of the more pertinent letters from
I AM pertaining to Horus, the OTO etc that I wanted to
share.
Quote:
"He (Horus) has
been destroyed now and Osirus is in self imposed
exile. Ra was not happy with what he found out
about this world on his return. One shouldn't lie
to Ra...it is
unhealthy.
Thelema IS laced with
poison in my opinion. I really enjoy Crowley in
his early years. However, when he went to Egypt
and was given the Book of the
Law through his
wife things gradually started to change. The Book
of the Law is good
BTW.
Crowley started a slow deterioration
brought about by Horus. And his Magick started
becoming more and more bizarre. So did his
rituals. In the end he was abandoned by Horus, a
broken Magickian, and one with few powers in my
opinion. Others would violently disagree but that
has always been my
feeling.
Modern Thelema treats what they
practice as a religion..and it is...a religion of
Horus. That is
sad.
I did not tell you about what happened
to me after meeting your Demon. When I met your
Demon I did not abuse it and did not harm it. I
just told him that I was not his enemy, that I was
a friend, and that I gave him license to depart
immediately. He
did.
Well about a week later I was sitting
on my porch when who shows up unannounced but the
Demon. He told me I was about to be Magickally
attacked. I thanked him, asked his name, and when
I started to give him license to depart he stopped
me. He told me that since I had not summoned him
then I should not give license to depart. In
hindsight I
agree.
Remember the commotion with the O.T.O
over the CM Library? How they claimed copyright to
ALL of Crowley's writings? Well, they attacked
me.
There were 9 of them acting
simultaneously and many of their Senior Magickians
were participating. Their attack was intended to
be in two parts. The first was to make me into a
quivering mass of fear. The second was to destroy
me. They also sent one of the biggest Servitors I
have ever seen against
me.
I felt it start and reacted against
them. I grew large and focused my intent on the
Servitor and it disintegrated (only way I know to
describe it). I found the link and directed my
attack down the link. The attack stopped
immediately and it threw them in disarray. I then
followed up with additional attacks. I stopped
only when I felt they were unable to continue
ANYTHING.
I went back later. They had erected a
protective shield. It is the first time I have
ever seen and heard a shield shatter. When I
appoached and focused my intent the shield broke
like glass. I immediately heard the word STOP. I
asked why I should. The voice responded that they
were no longer attacking me. I asked if that was
supposed to make me feel better about the attack.
The voice then said PLEASE STOP! We will NEVER
attack you again.
PLEASE.
I told them to NEVER bother me or
anyone associated with me EVER again. If they did
I would finish what was
started.
Naomi, these were powerful Magickians.
They were shocked that I felt the attack, shocked
that I WAS ABLE to attack them, shocked at the
damage I did to them, and shocked that their
Magick was ineffective against me. When I went
back they were stunned that I broke their shield
without effort. They were scared. No one had
successfully attacked any of them for many years.
Their power individually was great yet it was
swept away as if it was nothing. It was swept away
even with 9 of their most powerful Magickians
involved. They were reeling from the fact that I
swept away the combined ritual efforts of 9 of
them simultaneously. Their view of their Magickal
abilities was destroyed as was their
confidence.
Naomi, I am telling you this first
because I thought you would be interested given
the topic of Thelema. Most importantly I am
telling you this to show that the O.T.O. CAN be
withstood successfully WITHOUT HARM to the
Magickian. I am telling you this to give you
strength when encountering an attack by multiple
Magickians
simultaneously."
Just the
facts...
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Quote:
Quote: Originally
Posted by Caradoc Hey I AM 
I know everything's hectic
at the moment trying to get up and running again
but when you get a few minutes could you post
something on the personal relationship with
archangels theme?
No rush. I just
thought I'd remind you as you could easily forget
with all the crap that's been going
on.
PS... hope this didn't sound
pushy or critical, it wasn't meant
to.
PPS.. Thanks for recovering this
Kinjo, it was a good topic 
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am glad you have reminded me Caradoc! Today I
would probably recommend the LIRP to facilitate
conversation with the Arch Angels. This would be a
prudent approach and one that would be accepted by many
Magickians. However, this is NOT how I did
it.Years ago I had finished the LBRP and was
meditating on the Arch Angels and the role they played
in the LBRP. As my thoughts revolved around these
entities I wondered if I could contact them directly.
Please remember that this was years ago and I was in a
place that was in the middle of the Bible belt. There
were no occult bookstores and no other Magickians that I
was aware of. So after giving thought to how I would
contact the Arch Angel of my choice I decided on the
following. After performing the LBRP I focused my
INTENT on Gabriel and told him that I wanted a direct
conversation with him. I told him I wanted to know him
and asked for him to provide me with guidance on how
best to contact and converse with him. I told him I
wanted to have a personal relationship with him.
I did this every day for about a week and
enflamed myself each time I asked. He answered. I will
not share what he answered but he DID answer. And he has
continued to answer ever since. And, in truth, he
actually answered me the first time even though I was
too dense to realize it. Each Magickian needs to
choose what works for them. The only advice I will give
is to NOT make it too complicated. I hope this
helps Humbly, I AM
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Originally Posted by
Deckard
This is in
follow up to a topic from before the first hack.
My original question was how to get the spirit to
manifest. I would repost it as a quote here but my
save was ‘destroyed’. I received excellent tips
from Ashnook, Master of the Abyss, I Am and others
(pardon if you are not mentioned).
While I
now enjoy the fruits of your advice, I am having
trouble with control of the spirit. Here is part
of the following morning’s
journal
Amazing…Orobas made his presence
known before the first sentence of the call was
finished by communicating. It was the most unusual
method I had ever encountered. Pictures, words,
sentence fragments. sometimes vague, but quite
understandable. I began by asking what he could
achieve but he interrupted me by demanding
…
You may correctly assume I am working
with Goetic entities. I have read most of the
posts in these past three iterations of
OF.
Most information seems to center
around;
1.Knowing I have the right to
command
2.Threat and curses of the
spirit
3.Vibration of holy
names
4.Exerting my will on the
spirit
5.Some suggest offering tribute in
various forms. (I would think to let the spirit
ask for something after it agreed to do my will
and make it conditional on success of some
request)
I would very much appreciate
advice on those 5 points as well as others that
have worked for you. I welcome specifics but do
not wish to be thought a ‘spell beggar’. I would
be grateful for any offsite links or information
of any kind. I feel further evocations would be
detrimental until I have a better grasp of how to
control ‘them’.
Feel free to PM me if you
deem any of your answers too sensitive to post.
Thank you for your
time.
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friend! First, I would like a little more
information. You say that the Goetic interrupted you
with demands. Can you be more specific and lay out the
conversation as you remember it? Second, you
discuss what you feel is a lack of control. What
happened that gave you this impression? As a
quick response to your questions I will say the
following. 1. When "Commanding" the Goetic is it,
in my experience, critical that you have embraced your
"DIVINITY". That is NOT the Christian God. It is more
knowing that YOU are God. When commanding as "GOD" these
Entities pay attention. KNOW that they are there to
answer you. 2. In my experience threats and
curses are unnecessary. If you have embraced your
"Divinity" correctly the Entities already know you have
the capability to compell them. IMO, threats and curses
were included in the Grimoires because the authors knew
that many who used the Grimoires would be inexperienced.
In hopes of not offending anyone, if the Magickian is
fully capable threats and curses are unnecessary. It is
only the inexperienced Magickian that needs these.
Instead, try talking to them as EQUALS. I think you will
be surprised at the response. 3. The vibration of
the Names is not something that someone can tell you.
However, you will KNOW when you have vibrated them
correctly. There will be no doubt in your mind. Using
the Great Voice will assist you in achieving the
vibrations you will need. 4. By definition, the
Goetic has appeared BECAUSE of the Magickian's will that
it be there. Again, embracing "Divinity" makes the
Magickian more than they are. Done correctly the Goetics
WILL respond. Again, in my experience, the Goetics
respond very well if the Magickian KNOWS he or she is a
God. 5. As far as tribute goes I will say the
following. ANY tribute must be acceptable to the
Magickian. It must be something that the Magickian is
WILLING to give freely. A Goetic's first demand for
tribute OPENS NEGOTIATIONS. They can ask for the moon
but often settle for a picture of it. Understand? Blood
sacrifice, or the offering of any body fluid, is
unnecessary in my experience. Many Goetics will attempt
to bend you to their will and tribute is one way that
this occurs. You need to be in control at all times
during the negotiations. These Entities WILL test
the Magickian. They will test the Circle, test the
Magickian's control, and test the ability of the
Magickian to discern truth. However they can also be
very helpful. If Magickians are in control of themselves
then they are in control of the Ceremony. Just
my few thoughts. I look forward to the responses of
others. I hope this quick answer proves
helpful. Humbly, I AM
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It IS important to always validate what the Entity
tells you. And regardless what others might say the Name
and Sigil are UNIQUE to that particular Demon.
Additionally the appearance is also a unique identifier
in my experience. This is true for ANY Entity that is
summoned. When reading the Goetia notice that a
UNIQUE Sigil and Name of Calling are associated with
each Demon. The magickian does not randomly call for
"Fred" when performing a Goetic operation. The Magickian
calls for a specific entity using a UNIQUE Name of
calling and a UNIQUE Sigil. If the Name of Calling and
the Sigil that the magickian uses are the correct ones
for that entity, there is only ONE Entity that CAN
appear if the Ritual is performed correctly AND THE
MAGICKIAN IS IN CONTROL. I have not had an experience
where this did NOT occur. That said, after the initial
summoning the Magickian may not care if an underling is
sent in subsequent summonings so long as the magickian's
requirements are met and it was AGREED to by the
Magickian. There are MANY magickians in the Forum
that have successfully summoned Goetics. They have
detailed their experiences not only in this forum but in
the previous forums before they were hacked. You need to
listen to them. The summoning experiences these
magickian's have shared ring TRUE to others that have
summoned successfully. These magickians have CREDIBILITY
concerning Goetic operations. I submit that those who
actually do summon these beings REALLY DO know what they
are talking about. Those that do not summon these beings
can only guess. Finally, a successful summoning
experience is MORE than just evokation. A successful
experience: - requires that the magickian had
control which means that the "hostile" actions of the
Demon, if they occured, CEASED on command of the
magickian. - requires that the magickian
successfully communicated their desires to the Goetic
and that the Entity acknowledged those desires.
- requires that the Demon PERFORMED the
requested action within the SPECIFIED time period or
ANSWERED correctly the question(s) given to them.
- requires that the Demon departed when given
liscense to do so and that NO ILL EFFECTS remained after
Banishing. There are other elements but you get
the idea. Humbly, I AM
Quote:
Originally
Posted by Kaymon How close is the actual
goetia you have today in comparrison to the one
Solomon used? or the one that Agrippa used? It is
very likely that seals in the book are not correct
anymore, repetitive use of sigils down the ages
has most likely changed the way they seals look,
too much of a curve here and there, a rough
mistake of circles get the idea? tiny mistakes
that may have been repetited again and again and
more mistakes made so that the goetia seals you
have today does not look like anything you have
today.
Perphaps you do not summon
demons but other entities? Try and except that
possibility as there are more entities than just
demons. I will also except the possibility that
everything I have learnt to believe about
ceremonial magicians could be wrong and that they
actually do summon
demons.
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I will relate an early experience that I had with a
Goetic summoning. When I was first starting years ago I
performed a summoning experience and used a "Goetia
SEAL" from Waite's "Cermonial Magick" book. The Entity
did answer the summoning, CORRECTED the SEAL, and then
granted my request. Waite's book, as I later learned
from experience, had many of the SEALS drawn
incorrectly...presumably to protect the innocent (BTW,
let this be a caution for members that wish to contact
Goetic Entities...you do not want to use Waite's book
for your reference). In this case, the Entity provided
me with the correct SEAL and it did match the actual
Goetia. From an authenticity point of view this worked
pretty well for me. I have found that the Entity will
ensure you have the correct SEAL if it really
matters. From that point on I used the SEALS
found in the Goetia and I validated them with the
Entities that I summoned. I also discovered through
these experiences that "close is good enough" when using
SEALS. Do not misunderstand me, we need to get the SEALS
as close to accurate as possible. That said, I found
that the Entities responded even if I drew the SEALS
badly (I am not an artist), corrected me when I did
something wrong, and that it validated in other
sources. I would also like to address something
else. I wish we could throw out the Christian concepts
of "Good and Evil" , "Heaven and Hell", and "Angels and
Demons" when discussing the Greater and Lesser Keys of
Solomon. The Goetic Demons can heal and do many
other "GOOD" things and Angels can RUIN your entire day,
or someone else's for that matter, by doing "BAD"
things. In my experience, the Christian concepts of Good
and Evil do not apply when talking about "Angelic" and
"Demonic" forces. I am not even certain that the human
mind can even comprehend their full nature. I just know
that how we view good and evil and how "Angels and
Demons" view good and evil are very different. It
is my opinion, based on my experience, that Angelic and
Demonic forces are just different forces with different
methods of action. I do not view the Entities of the
Goetia as Demons (Not in the Christian sense). That is
just my personal opinion. I will leave it to the
religious among the members to argue whether they
correspond to the Biblical account of Angels and Demons.
That is NOT a discussion I am interested in
participating in. Simularly, many Demons
(Non-Goetia) today are the Gods of yesterday. When one
religion supplanted another, the old Gods tended to
become Demons. If this is all it takes to make an Entity
a Demon then we need to change our definitions, or at
least our understanding, of Demonic forces. I
hope this makes some of my views more
clear. Humbly, I AM
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On developing Astral
Sight:
You are ALREADY in the Astral, You just do
not know how to see it
Hold your hand
out in front of you Look at your hand Slowly let
everything but your hand go black When you do so you
should see an energy outline of your hand and your
energy hand as well. When you see that... Then
SLOWLY bring the color back... If done
correctly.... You should now be seeing in the
Astral The trick is to NOT LOSE SIGHT of your hand as
an energy hand Keeping your hand as an energy
hand allows you to see the rest of the Astral energy
when you bring the colors back Is this ALL
clear? DO this exercise until you see the
Astral When you are successful you should see
everything glowing either greyish or greenish but VERY
distinctly
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