Hello all...
Well I want to know if the following can be true.. The facts are as follows:

1) i did a bet on a horse in a race
2) in that race the hot favourite looked in superb condition and keen to gallop...
This caused me to be anxious coz i was afraid that the favourite has a great chance of winning..
3) i somewhat wanted the favourite to lose.. i have never done any occult or similar thing like that before... When the horse was running the race, I imagined the heart of the horse and i like of imagined my hand pressing against the heart of the horse... like to stop it from running that fast .... Eventually the favourite won the race and i got angry... coz i lost money.. Normally races are fixed and you just get angry on the way the jockeys make a fool of the betting public...
4)well waht happened later frightened me.. the horse was in superb condition before the race but sohrtly after the race, theere was an announcement stating that the horse had died of a heart failure shortly after it won the race...
I was sad and really wished it was coincidence of what happened..
Can someone enlighten me if such thing is possible or not that it could have been due to someone doing such things in imagination and this comes true??

What do you think happened? There are times when the line between successful magick and coincedence are indeterminate. It 's a little weird that you made this recent post.



I would invite your own interpretation of these events, but remember
Be careful what you wish for....

This post has been edited by chaoscrowley37: Dec 13 2005, 01:07 AM

the quote about action and reaction is true.... i stated what i consider as true but as you know, i dont think that what i imagined on the horse was real... The thought that came in my mind was in response of the fear of losing my bet...It frightened me when i learnt that the horse had died.... There was nothing deliberate about it.. I set this post to know if this could have been beacuse of somekind of psychic element etc??? or it was simply coincidence...
However There is something that i would like to state... For me Coincidence does not exist except in the dictionary..

So what are your other choices? You deny coincidence....allright then you killed the horse. Magick can be performed without specific intent and in a capricious manner.

Spend your time doing something less stressful than throwing away money at the track.

my other explanation is that the what happened was due to a real problem on the part of the horse...
Dont get angry... i wantd to know if this was just an overlapping of 2 events that made me feel one is the cause of the other...

what i want to know is that can something like that be achieved? to control by the mind without any prior practice etc?

Who can say? or rather who can prove it either way?

I once saved a dog from choking to death when a firmly wedged stick was lodged sideways in its throat and the the poor thing was so tense and scared that it was coughing and choking and desperate, as was the owner.

I cannot say exactly what I did, but it did involve energy work and the dog just suddenly relaxed and the stick came flying out of its mouth.

The friend who I was with also prayed (being a Christian) so I consider it team work when I look back.

I am not angry but your posts are contradictory in nature. Look at the definition of coincedence from Webster's Dictionary. (I will quote verbatim)

Coincidence--an accidental and remarkable occurrence of events, ideas, etc. at the same time, suggesting but lacking a causal relationship.

Yet after my statement that it may be only coincidence you state that "coincidence does not exist to you". Then you wonder if it may be coincidence although you use the definition rather than using the word.

People can do things without training or without intent. All people perform magickal acts throughout the day, we study magick so that we may have control over these events.

Sporadic acts of magick can be helpful in the situation but they lack reliability.

I only made the statement that you killed the horse because you denied coincidence leaving the option that you had caused the heart attack. If you have two choices for how the situation unfolded and you deny one then you are left with the other.

If you wish to ascribe the situation to overlapping events then you can no longer deny coincidence. This was the point I was trying to make.

This post has been edited by chaoscrowley37: Dec 16 2005, 03:40 PM

Greetings

Nothing in life is coincidence.

The power of thought is an extremely poweful force. Without the power of thought there would be no manifest plane.

The 'simple' light bulb began as a thought in someone's mind; the thought was worked over and over and over until it was a astral plane reality ... next the thought became the blueprints written down on paper as the universe began the balance between the realities. The mental images took shape on the drawing board. Very soon the drawings gave way to the prototype light bulb. Today every dwelling in the modern world (virtually) has numerous light bulbs ... the universe finalised the balance between the realities with the working model first created in the mind as a series of thoughts ...

The human mind is responsible for numerous acts throughout this existence.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/blush2.gif) Used to purposely 'summon' images of away football teams being unable to score against my home team. At first I thought it was coincidence when open goals were missed and easy chances not taken. But a run of home wins which extended as long as I concentrated then ceased when I lost the interest .......... Blackpool FC were once 14 points clear at the top of the old english third division. They needed about 5 or 6 points from their last five games ..... they lost them all and missed out on the play offs!!!

Coincidence? I don't think so!

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How about the following equation...

Horse + Steroids = Heart Attack

Remember, What the Thinker Thinks, the Prover Proves. You can find evidence to support any hypothesis if you look hard enough.

Interesting phenomina that crops up in the experimental method - the experimenter effect.

The basic gist of it can be described like so:
If one experimenter is given a mouse and a special diet to give that mouse, and told that the diet will make the mouse better at mazes, and another experimenter is given a mouse with that same special diet to give it, and told that the diet will make it worse at mazes, the first experimenter's mouse will be better than the second despite the fact that they may as well be physically identical.

Generally it's explained away as having to do with "subtle cues" given by the experimenter and so on, but basically there's no real hard explanation as to why it happens. It's just a manifestation of belief as a bias on the experiment.

Obviously the experimenter effect involves a more hands-on approach to it all though... but just thought it might be pertinent.

thnks guys well i thank you all for having tried to enlighten me...
I can also add that if you believe something can be done, then a great deal of the job is already done....
Well may be my concentration is getting to develop coz sometimes when i'm relaxed i get the sensation that one gets when someone puts a finger in between the eyebrows...
i feel like something opening on my forehead....
well thnks for the replies

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If anyone has anything else to add about their experiences of magick affecting animals, maybe how they behave during ritual, we could continue in that way.


Off topic but pertinent:



That happens a lot to people when they are starting to develop; it is often a sign of progress and another of those little things that you might like to put in your magickal journal.

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kool then... well see my other topic where i talked about the after effect i get when relaxing..
well it does not occur now but it happened...

Be careful.

I have been writing about theories of BurnCasting, ChaosModulation and ZD.

To check and see how powerful your healing/killing abilities are,
experiment by trying to kill/increaste growth speed of yeast cultures.

The same yeast that people use to bake bread with.
Add 1 tspn to warm water and 1 tspn sugar to warm water.

Experiment with different methods of trying to kill the yeast.

Compare results with yeast that you did not try to kill.

Then send me a PM of the results, if you want to.

It's best to get a real empirical and scientific understanding of things, IMO.

Read my first reply on a suggestion of how to stolidly prove whether you have powers or not.

Much like a baby learning to walk, it takes time to master and develop natural ability.

Your fear & strong emotion during the experience, your fear of loss--Fear easily leads to anger. Fear leads to a destructive act, often. That fear energy was probably specially programmed--the emotional energy was being burned and added to the ZDoutput, but your thoughts and visualization programmed an exact behavioral pattern for the ZD energy, and as the energy was burned, parts of it were released with nothing to hold them back, and they altered reality in this way.

^General idea of the quantum mechanics here, if it did happen that way.

Many humans have this ability, but some have it more then others.

"Luck" is a very important survival tool, and this was "naturally selected" during human evolution. Theoretically.

the horse is an animal with a very complex mentality to the point that they can sometimes feel things that are very hard for a human to feel.......don't feel bad, but I belive, that ven thought it was not your intention you definatelly killed that poor horse, plus, you said that you were feeling angry, or afraid at the moment, when people get angry there is a lot of energy force at work, it definatelly triggers something powerful inside you...next time control your impulses and your thoughts

That is like saying that a butterfly's fluttering wings caused a hurricane on the other side of the world. Grief victims think about that. Oh my god, I wished him dead and it happened. Their thoughts had nothing to do with it, furthermore, who is to say that other people had the same idea. Do you honestly think that they did not?

If thoughts could kill in that way, then Bush would be dead, the war in Iraq would be over, and all Osoma, or however his name is spelled, would have been killed. Seriously. A lot of people hate them, so why aren't they dead?

You are either over estimating yourself or beating yourself up over the head for something that you did not cause. If a person really has the ability to kill random things and people with "un practiced magick", then do us a favor and rid the world of terrorist and criminals. Let us say the FBI's most wanted, for example.

Do you know the specifics of how the horse died? What was its diet? How was it taken care of before then? How were its genetics? Was it poisoned? Was it worn out? Was it spooked? At the same time, you could have been thinking whatever it was that you were thinking.

Thoughts are abstract things characterized by brain waves driven by electrical activity that can be measured in the terms of a field. If that is not the case, someone think them up a car and see if it manifest. If you argue the astral concept, that is on a different plane of existence that has no affect on this one. If that was not the case, we would have purple backed dragons walking around wouldn't we?

If you would like to see if it really happened, run a controlled experiment. Isolate the variables that were going through your head and the emotions and so on and so forth and try it in a different situation with the same dynamics. It was coincidence.

I grew up around horses, and I can tell you they are very violent and very dangerous. When a horse feels fear or anger they charge at you and attempt to kill you. To be truthfully honest, animals have what is called the hind brain and the mid brain. Those are the parts of the brain that responsible for most of our "primitive" emotions. Those are tied to your basic survival instinct. Animals are more equipped to deal with sudden strong emotions that humans, due to the fact that about 80% of our brain is made up for the fore brain or the cerebral cortex. Emotions are connected to instinct and survival. If you projected any type of emotion to the horse, it would not have cared or it would have responded violently. It would not have dropped dead. Most people make the mistake of thinking of horses as cute, tame little things that are easily spooked. No, they are not.
I had a horse tried to stomp me to death because it got spooked and I was holding onto its lead rope. I helped my grandfather out on the ranch. The first thing they taught me about a horse is don't stand behind it, due to the fact that it will try and kick you to death.

If you are on a period, you can not be around a mare. They will think that you are a female in heat and try to mount you. When they can't, they get pissed and try to kill you. A mare ran a friend of mine up a tree in that type of situation. A animals first response is fight or flight. Most of the time its fight.

A horse's diet can contribute to its state of health, too.



That is a miss application of what quantum mechanics says on the subject.

The whole thing is coincidence. To me that goes in the basket with the law of attraction. If people were able to manifest things with their thoughts alone, why is there hunger? Why is there war? If that is the case, he should be able to think , "Hey, I want a mansion", and get it. If people were able to alter reality in such a way, why can't I teleport by visualizing where I want to be? Why can't fly through the air like super man and materialize things out of thin air? Being as I am, experienced, and studied, I believe that consciousness can play a hand in influencing matter, but the affects are not THAT spectacular.

This post has been edited by telempath: Nov 20 2007, 01:27 AM

I am pretty much with telempath on this.

I have a decently long history with horses. I totally respect them, but I don’t like them much. I have broken horses, and raised/trained a few. I learned how to care for them properly and in somewhat barbaric ways.

What they are currently doing to race horses chemically makes the training of Lipizzaner Stallions in the 70’s look tame. Think of it like a WWE wrestler on super roids, and their inability to say they are feeling bad about anything.

It is so bad, it is pretty much standard with every race horse. Any race horse bought and not given anything (steroids), but still worked out is expected to loose 10% of their body weight in three weeks.

There is no control on this type of thing, some states are thinking about it, but it would mean that a nationally noted race horse will never come to their state. A few European countries have made laws, but it looks like they are not enforcing them, or the EU is holding things up…not clear on it as I am not up on it too much.

There are so many other factors with racehorses that I would never imagine you killed it. You and everyone else may have been a slight contributing factor (0.00001%), but not the cause. I could go more into it, but I don’t feel the need.

We (residents of earth) don’t work that way. We are more robust then that. Even well focused, trained and disciplined minds targeting very easy targets have had no results in producing a kill.

That is not to say Magick/PSI can’t kill, but it is not as simple as mentally stopping the heart, or bursting a blood vessel in the brain.

Hi Guys,

well you would have noticed that my first post on this topic was like 2 years back. When now i think of all other stuff that have occured since with the use of Magick, spells and mostly hatred and curses, i really believe it is possible. sometimes you have spirits to channel your will sometimes you have like the avalanche effect. you just need to go to the right place and hit the snow to create an avalanche. similar with the closely coupled astral and real world. but i never got to have like a good proof of it. certain curses work so well and some even after amplifying with spells and calling upon great ass kicking spirits and still without 'apparent' effect.

But to those who work regularly with spells and entities mostly lower ones (more linked to the earthly world), you would surely find that such things are very possible.



e.g of knowing about that energy chanelling with a simple case is like for instance you can look at your computer screen for 30 secs without blinking or tearin but if you look at someone eyes for that long, you surely will water your eyes at least a bit. once i was using a spirial to meditate and force my eyes open without blinking for 10 mins minimum. no need to say you had complete red eyes after but this made the eye field of action more strong. on several people i tried, their eyes watered in 30 seconds and one gurl had her eye pain and she had so much tears as to seem like crying.
this is a tiny example. there are cases when curses can lead to much serious stuff etc.


so if the correct things are triggered, i really think such energy can be channelled to have those results.



regards

mystick

This post has been edited by mystick: Nov 21 2007, 01:42 PM

I am quite certain about the influnce on animals their nervous system is not as complex as humans and they are easier to manipulate,plus visualization if focused can be a very dangerous tool,I know because i tried it on cats and dogs,they are also easier to communicate with telepathically,the equation is
strong emotion+thought or mental picture=supernatural act...

But dont go on Killing horsies please ..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)