Marconus, to use a common analogy, it's Douglas Adam's SEP field - the "Somebody Else's Problem" field.

An alternative name would be the "vanishing from mind's eye" technique. I agree though - it's equal to actual invisibility in effect.

I used it all through highschool to avoid the "no hats in class" rule - I always wore a black beanie (it was useful, because I was trying to grow out my hair). In fact, there was only one teacher who ever got through the effect, and that's because he was specifically trying to find me to make sure that the rule was applied. In assemblies there would be teachers patrolling the rows of students to try and "enforce the rules" - none of them noticed. Mr Van however (good friend of mine, I might add, which is why he singled me out) always looked for me.
From this, and other applications of similar glamours/charms, I've deduced that they work on the principle of focus. That as long as someone's will is focused over a broad area, it can be avoided, but when specifically and intentionally focused on an abberation (which under a broad-focus would have been missed), the charm can be penetrated.

In fact, it got to the point that if I didn't wear my beanie, some teachers would accidentally mark me absent.

I utilise my own form of invisibilty when I walk through the city, and have to go past about 10 people handing out things or selling raffle tickets or somesuch. I can walk right by them, and they don't even look in my direction. It's great (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Those two invisibility posts relate to "Indigo People's Invisibility"... which is more a barrier or shield than actual invisibility... I classify those two posts as "Barrier and shield Magics"... Basically the same barrier as in the flea does not see the dog... the human does not see the planet... one does not see the trees for the forest, nor the forest for the trees...
Careful to not get caught up in the illusion... for it is a difficult trap to break out of, once established... it can drive one insane... Maintain the illusions outside the Being, and you will learn more, faster... and be safer, and have more fun at it... Always keeping in mind that you are not playing with a toy... What you are messing with is as real as it gets... and it is like power tools, not forgiving... Screw up, and yer history in a flash...

This section of the post has been moderated for unacceptable content. The member has then returned and removed the Moderators note. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE, and I will issue Official Warnings if this happens again. Mediocracy 4th April 2005.

Can anybody get a handle on the glands and threads invisibility thing?

Can anybody get a grasp of center brain and front brain, and especially the projected front brain item, where one explores the repeating mountain ranges...?

Edited for Roleplaying. Take your sexual fantasies elsewhere CosmicBrat. - Mediocracy

This post has been edited by mediocracy: Apr 4 2005, 12:32 AM

I've always wondered if I was an Indigo Child, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tomato.gif)

Yeah now that I think about it, nowadays I use the shielding method for a lot of things (keeping my stuff out of sight when I'm walking away from it, sneaking pass people I don't want to talk to, getting some space in a crowded room).

About the "getting some space" part, I've found that if you cast a shield in a crowded place, people seem to stay outside the radus of it. Maybe I should test this to see how far out people will stay. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wandwizard.gif)

This post has been edited by Marconus: Apr 3 2005, 03:37 PM

I know only two means to determine an Indigo...

I see a half inch layer of glowing purpley aura over their skin...

When I'm near Indigos, my legs are too rubbery to move...
I just telepath to them, "Greetings Your Majesty"... and I leave it at that...

The other determining factor is that the Numbs act as if can't see Indigos... even in a busy crowded scenario... It's as if Indigos live on other physical planes... and this one...

They are extremely secretive... I made love to one... Words cannot even begin to describe it...
We still don't have those words...

I was unloading a trailer... when an Indigo lass rode by on a motorcycle, and the rear wheel and snapped chain flew up at the rider... right before me... She ducked... the flying junk missed her by a foot... Everything in me reached to prevent her from injury... I sensed a strong cosmic tug, that nearly pulled me face down... as if my strengths suddenly wrapped her whole Being in a protective blanket, and I was dealing with the various momentums involved in the moment...

She stepped off the falling bike, like getting up from a chair, setting the speeding bike down in delicious slow motion... and quietly softly flowed away from the stricken vehicle, while remaining standing perfectly, and with a delicious peaceful love expression, while the bike slid to a halt...

Cars slowed, and just drove around her... as if they couldn't really see her... as if the Forces wouldn't permit them to see, nor interfere, nor help, nor penetrate her life in any way...

She didn't need any help anyway... She pulled the bike and wheel off the road in seconds... recovered her bags in a flash, and turned to face the road as a luxury vehicle was slowing beside her... She waved and smiled, climbed in, and was gone... All in under three minutes...


And there I stood with that purpley rubbery legs syndrome again... mumbling, "Wow!"...
and a chin that desperately needed to be wound up off the ground, again...
wondering, "what is the chemistry behind the stunning purpley glow of an Indogo"...?

This post has been edited by cosmicbrat: Apr 3 2005, 06:40 PM

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Probably my English is not that good, but recent last posts on this thread "WHY SORCERY" have NOT been discussing anything close. In fact, I don't even understand the last posts but role playing and short stories which is irrelevant to the core theme of this thread.

CosmicBrat, I would like to respectfully ask you to review Forum Guidelines carefully because we do maintain the quality of these forums seriously and VERY closely. Role playing is not looked upon kindly on this board and drifting way off from topic will only get this thread get locked by our cold and warm blooded ModSquad who can be blood thirsty to suck repeated offenders dry from this forums (IMG:style_emoticons/default/004.gif)

A solution I'd like to offer you is to start a thread on the coffee shop where it is less moderated than anywhere else in the forum. You can *almost* do anything on the Void and Fight Club you may want to consider to start a discussion there. But while you're participating anywhere outside those forums mentioned above. Please do maintain the theme of the thread on topic.

Ok, I finished my little speech.
Please get back on topic guys.
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Can't you see the Sorcery in action, in those posts?...

But if that's how it's gottabe, then I'm outa here... BYEBYE!

CB, if you want to talk indigo - I'm starting up a thread on it in "Esoteric Discussion".

I see Sorcery as an innate ability... Sorry to use a D&D analogy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

I believe true Sorcerers just understand how things work, and seem to be able to manipulate reality (or reality hack) at will.

That's pretty much how I see Sorcery too Chalis,

Most mages (wizards, sorcerors, witches, etc.) have a natural tendency to practice magic. What makes the Sorceror different is while other mages usually follow a "What's good for the goose is good for the gander" attitude; thw Sorceror is making his own way, burning a new path for him/herself.

Chaos Mages are 21st Century Sorcerors in my Book. Therefore, I can call myself a Chaote, Chaos Mage, or Sorceror in the same sentence if I want to, because all three are following their own rules.

As a side note to Kinjo, get a book on American Conversation and read it. The posts here all deal with Sorcery to some degree or another. We aren't Role-playing, we're talking about what we have done with sorcery, you smuck (look up that word too while you're at it). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

EDIT - please read the forum guidelines regarding flames and insults. Also YOU might want to check an online dictionary, the words is Schmuck, meaning a clumsy or stupid person, the word "smuck" does not exist. - Mediocracy.

Now get off our cases and learn the lingo, rather than nick-pick like an old woman.

This post has been edited by mediocracy: Apr 5 2005, 12:35 AM

Leave Kinjo alone - he was only accusing CB of roleplaying.

Oh, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I thought it was a blanket accusation, so I was defending the opinions and viewpoints of others.

Sorry Kinjo. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blush2.gif)

This post has been edited by Marconus: Apr 4 2005, 10:52 PM

At the risk of angering the mods, schmuck also means something else... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

So, magick is the study and application of various esoteric practices/rituals etc, while sorcery is a more innate ability?

Would sorcerors use ritual/foci/tools etc?

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Well,

I would say that a Sorceror has more of an innate understanding of how magic(k) works. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) He's not going to shoot lightning out of his eyes or anything, but he could look at a complex ritual and figure out a simpler alternative spell that accomplished the same ends.

Yeah, sorcerors can use tools and rituals, they may not need all those tools, but if they feel they have to use them they could.

I would call a Folk Mage a type of Sorceror because they don't have to get a spell exact, they can adapt components and correspondences to their own needs.

Ultimately, I would say what makes a Sorceror is magical adaptibility, the ability to use magic on the spot is a characteristic of Sorcery. It's like being the MacGyver of Magic(k). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tomato.gif)

Thats's my take on it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Greetings!
I am relatively new here and have been trying to follow this thread with but partial success. In my experience I have met many different magical types. Being somewhat of a rebel myself, I found more comfort in pulling away from organized magic and tried applying some of what I'd learned to my own modest talents. What emerged was what I call Shamanic Sorcery. Shamanism has some strong social ties and the sorcery here applies to the creative principle within. Frankly, alot of Sorcery comes from not wanting to be poured into(or out of) a mold. It relies alot on native ability and less on religous stricture. Shamanics teaches us that the world, and everything it entails, is 'alive'. Not all 'sorcerors' fully understand the 'magic' that they use. Nor do they necessarily understand the potential dangers.
Some small notes from the preceding thread(s): The term is nit-pick, refering to the meticulous combing of the hair roots to dislodge lice eggs. This is usually done with a nit comb. Welcome to life, it happens...
If what CosmicBrat says is actually happening then we are blessed indeed to have his presence amongst us. The blue ice from Pluto is probably frozen methane and would spoil the tea... Also, this talk of Indigo people...*sigh* please check out the website: http://www.indigochild.com/ I think you'll find that most of you will be in this grouping. Role playing has its place in society but is very counterproductive when one is really trying to sort out actual phenomena from wishful thinking. Not to say that roleplaying is bad...use it to develop creative thinking...THEN apply the ideas to more tried magical theory. Happy experimenting! ...and keep notes!

I got this on my mailbox sent offlist by member from one egroup I'm subscribed. Quite interesting and with her permisson I'd like to repost it here:

Hi

I am back

Sorry for the long absence I was having an annoying problem with my broadband.

It seems this topic has really taken off.

Here are my views on some of the statements.




That is the beauty of sorcery each practitioner only takes it as far as they want to, most of us though strive to take it one step further. Always pushing on to see what is over the next horizon. That is how we learn not only about what we are attempting but also about ourselves.



Twilight goes much further than AP, granted it is based on the same principal but what makes it different is the ability to afflict change.



By Glamour I do not mean Glamour Spells (sorry if I did not portray my meaning) True Glamour is achieved without the aid of spells. It is the ability to let others see you in “a different light” so to speak.
I do not do any preparation when I want to use glamour. I simply believe that I am what I want to be and that is the way I am perceived.




I have Never ridiculed any form of magic – in fact I use many kinds including CHAOS MAGICK to achieve my goals. The only difference is that I do not believe in the boundaries of different castes.



I do agree that what I do comes naturally but on the other hand if you wish to master something you need to do research on it. I might naturally be able to tap energy but if I do not learn how to control it I could cause myself serious damage.



I do use tools on the occasion but I do not need to. What I do manifests from myself therefore I am the tool.



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An interesting question, which I think throws some practical light on the discussion at hand.

If someone's workings are causing trouble in either the astral or the mundane world, the first step is fairly uncontroversial and exoteric, and is: Stop doing it.

A further response according to the mind-set of ceremonial magic would be something like: these forces are astral entities. They may not have rational minds or emotions like ours, but they do have their own agendas, which they will persue to the utmost (as do we), especially if granted the opportunity to act on planes to which they do not, in the normal course of things, have access. They can be kept in check by other entities more powerful than themselves. The best course of action is therefore to bind them with the appropriate sigils and names of power.

A sorcerer's response, however, would be more like: these forces are manifestations of pure energy, or energic resonance. They are neither creative nor destructive, except insofar as they are in the right or wrong place at the right or wrong time. At the moment, they are in the wrong place at the wrong time. As energy obeys the law of conservation, they cannot be destroyed, but they can be re-directed or balanced out with other energies (as in frequency waves, velocities &c). The best course of action is therefore either to send the power out into the earth itself or the whole universe (possibly using techniques akin to those practiced in Wicca ceremonial - it's not all fluff) or to perform a second ritual or ritual-series, using correspondances directly opposite those deployed in the original working; to take a very simplistic example, to carry out a water-based elemental ritual if a spell calling on the elemental power of fire is the one that's getting out of hand. (Of course, if the sorcerer in question invented the working completely 'on the hoof', he may have to do some research to find out which correspondances he actually used in the first place, which as far as I can tell is why most sources reccommend at least some degree of preparation.)

Completely non-magical responses are also possible, and usually extend to making an appointment with a qualified health professional or gettin' on your knees and prayin' to Jesus. (Obviously everybody loves these, and finds them exceptionally helpful. The Loris, however, does not reccommend heedlessly activating forces you can't control and whose workings nobody fully understands, such as the Church, or the mental health system.) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mf_popeanim.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drugs.gif)

I hope this is interesting, or at least useful. Any thoughts?

PS - If anyone in this hypothetical scenario is having any actual trouble with nasties of any kind, I've often found the LBRP instantly and thoroughly useful, and never heard of it doing any harm.

PPS - I only included the third sets of responses for completeness and comparison, and so that I could use some smilies. Obviously everyone's beliefs are equally valid in the absence of solid scientific confirmation with a comprehensive theoretical base (and yes, psychiatrists of the world, this means you too!) and far be it from me to bash. [COLOR=purple]Makes a libation to the spirits of not-getting-spanked-by-the-moderators.

This post has been edited by SlowLoris: Jun 26 2005, 12:02 PM

hmm,

if you do not want to send it into the earth. Then you might try to condense it into your solar plexus, it may be a bit dangerous if it is much energy.

Another technique that i often use:
Send the energy into a big stone or rock. when you need energy later you can draw from that rock. I have one such big rock in my room which I use for many magical workings.

Just place your hands on the sides of the rock and send all the energy into it. See and feel it flowing into the stone.

I will take a picture of it once i am true with the current working, i don't take pictures of a work in progress, since i believe it may disturb the magick.

I agree alot with what Bym is saying. I would define a sorceror as a medicine man or wise women of the 'highest' degree. There are many shamans out there but I classify a sorceror as a shaman with the ability to use power that exceeds the average. Is there a difference a between a sorceror and a wizard? Well, its a difficult question that I would probably just shrug off as extraneous... However, for frivolities sake I'll say that a sorceror draws more from the earth while the wizard draws more from the stars.

I'm not sure how ridiculous it is to classify things like sorcery into groupings like death, life, yaddah, yaddah, yaddah. For instance in Tai Chi Chuan there are 8 forms of attack and five strategies. Most masters excel especially in two, three or four of these techniques that they find they perform well. That's all they ever really need to win a battle. So I wouldn't discount such a theory nor would I take it to heart.

Now I do think Smoking Fox makes an excellent suggestion about using a stone or rock. Find one you have an affinity for and you know will work well with you. If you live in the right place you may not even have to buy something.

This post has been edited by Bb3: Jun 27 2005, 03:09 AM

This is all very interesting! Could it be that I have at long last discovered the source of sensible discussion on the Internet?! *touches wood*. Next stop, El Dorado and the Fountain of Youth!

As to definitions of sorcery, My understanding of it is as a broad term encompassing many different sub-sets of magic(k), and denoting something like: "Causing change, in accordance with will, by nonphysical or indirect means, through the use of correspondances and directed to a specific purpose for the benefit of the worker in the mundane (mortal) plane." (This sets it apart from traditional Ceremonial Magic and spiritual alchemy, which seek to purify and improve the 'soul' or 'pneuma' of the worker on other levels; most Neopagan and especially Wiccan worship rites, which seek to benefit the Earth or the Universe as a whole entity; and deciding to get out of your armchair to make a cup of coffee, which is an act of magick according to Crowley's definition but clearly not what we are talking about here.) To take specific examples, a Voodoo hex would be an act of sorcery, as would a modern New-Age candle-burning ritual to bring success in a job interview, as would an Ancient Egyptian fertility rite - although all of these workings may (or may not) involve other factors, such as worship, petition to the Gods, psychological and 'self-help' techniques and so forth. (Of course, they are only truly acts of sorcery to the extent that they work.) I'm not aware of any sources which define sorcery as a rank or grade of practitioner. Many languages have words for magicians who practice techniques of shamanism or witchcraft for 'black' purposes (or at least, very dark grey ones), and this is often translated into English as "sorcerer"; see Aradia, Gospel of the Witches by Charles G. Leeland for one example of this, and Chronicle of the Guayaki Indians by Pierre Clastres for another, but this is obviously to over-simplify matters immensely.

On to controlling forces by means of sorcery; and perhaps the above has already indicated the nature of the key which I am about to suggest. Just as mundane forms of energy need to be transformed, transported, transmuted and contained in order to turn them into work, so does 'magical' energy. One of the first laws of magic is that "like affects like" (which is, interestingly, one of the most significant conclusions of modern quantum mechanics, but that, I feel, is another story). Thus, we can cause Change A to occur to Subject X by causing Change B to occur to Subject Y, insofar as B and Y are similar to A and X. To illustrate with another example: say I have a friend who has a headache, and wants me to help him to ease it. I could do so nonmagically, by fetching him an asprin and drawing the curtains for him to have a nap. I could stand there willing, with all the energy of my being, for him to get better - although my experience has always been that the only effect of this will be to give me a headache too. Or I could do it sorcerously, through correspondances: I might, for example, take an apple, which is associated in many cultures with the head, and cleanly cut into it, removing any blemishes or bad spots, with the intent that they affect the 'bad spots' in my friend's own head. Remembering my astrology, it occurs to me that Aries is associated with the head, so I perform the working at the Hour of Aries which I find in my handy Sorcerer's Almanack (the compilation of which has become so much easier since the arrival of the internet!). This leads me on to Aries' association with Mars, so I may use an iron knife and a red apple, and an anointing mixture containing oils of pepper and pine. (Obviously, not if it's a stress-induced headache!) The more correspondances build up, the more the apple (Subject Y) has 'in common' with my friend (Subject X); the more 'like' each-other they become, and the more I can affect him through the likeness. Of course, I've deliberately chosen a benign example which makes it sound like a species of home medicine or kitchen-witchcraft (it's not, since I'm not offering him any lotions or potions or direct 'treatments' of any kind; we don't even have to meet during the entire process), but the basic principle goes all the way back to the highest and most exquisitely complex workings of hermetic alchemy and ancient miracles. Workings of great power can be completed at a seemingly insurmountable distance using this basic truth. Him that has eyes, let him see!

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eh? what happened to the rest of the topic? did the mods delete it?

"Send the energy into a big stone or rock."

Why does it have to be big? (Yoda) Size matters not, only in your head it does(end Yoda)

I find that small rocks seem to have the same energy capacity as big rocks, and plus also they are easier to carry around, I myself generally keep excess energy in my ring.

One ring to rule them all, one to find them, one ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cc_hang.gif)

Greetings!
I don't think that size can necessarily be construed to affect the holding of energy. In the physical universe atomic structure can dictate the absorbtion of energy. A small piece of plastic holds far less energy than an equal sized piece of quartz. Which is also true (in this incidence) of psychic energy. How something is structured can tell you volumes about its ability to conduct energy. Something to ponder. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Here is one of my views on the practice* of sorcery:

Sorcerers/sorceresses are masters of emotion, and use this raw energy with intent to bear upon their will.

They are shape shifters with the ability to go through personalities the way folks go through underwear#. This flexibility enables them to easily resolve 'problems' that cloud the minds of their, more rigid, fellows, and allows them to access certain skills that would usually not be available to them. They have no set personas, but often assume a default one for those who hold their love, and for general interaction with others. They assume complex and often controversial behavioural patterns to amuse themselves and others. They are practical jokers. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol_2.gif)

They have no gods, as they are in perpetual contact, with that, which is commonly termed, 'the divine'. They need not invoke 'divinity' as it courses through them constantly, and they harness aspects of it at will.. if so required. This connection allows them constant access to what is commonly termed, 'the akashic records', enabling them access to knowledge that is not yet their own. Their spirits are filled with bliss.

Sorcerers/sorceresses cast no spells and have no use for props, as they've transcended the need for psycho dramatic stimulation. When they desire something, they simply will it into being, manipulate their physical or internal environments... or for a moment merge the astral and physical dimensions, resulting in immediate manifestation and thereby eliminating the time factor. The merged astral and physical dimensions I collectively refer to as, 'The Twighlight'. 'The Twighlight', is a dimension in its own respect.

They are efficient in dealing with hostile entities, and don't have to cast circles and hold aloft intricate seals before they are protected.

They have a great understanding of the way in which the universe moves, or as some would the term it, the law of 'cause and effect'. Thus, most of them have skill in clairvoyance and are also able to manipulate 'the flow' in a way that doesn’t disturb it. They have a knack for being at the right place, at the right time.

Truth does not exist, there is no such thing as good and evil, and morals are taboo, and often seen as limitations to transcendence, depending on the situation.. of course. Their behaviour is sometimes questioned by those around them. 8) :twisted:

They have no fear of death, as they are aware of their cosmic immortality. Life is seen as a game, and is accepted in its entirety with all its 'ups' and 'downs'. It's a journey full of folly and decisions. They are therefore a relaxed folk, with little stress. Nothing really bugs them, as they don't allow themselves to be caught up by the mundane in life. They have never really lost their 'inner child', but are mature enough to get serious when the situation calls for it.

They are masters of folly% and use it to travel between realms as they see fit. A sorceror/sorseress has a great sense of humour and enjoys playing the fool, being silly, and imitating other people's behaviour for laughs. They are not 'pack animals' though, and prefer to do things alone, yet they're far from antisocial. They are sometimes impatient and irritable, and prefer it when people get to the point.

As an interresting side note, many sorcerors/sorceresses are former witches, magicians, or both.

Hope this sheds a bit more light. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wizard.gif)


(*) Sorcery is not a practice, but a constant awareness.(#) This would often lead to the perception that they are insincere.(%) Thus they make great actors, stage performers, or comedians.

i would add that sorcerers usually have a purpose in life, something that they are put here on earth for, and they understand the workings of that purpose's environment easily and implicitly, and that everything in their life has led them down the path of doing this one thing.

they know the truth behind religion and magickal dogma, and they have left the forest and can now see the mountains.

which of the mountains is yours, and why were you created to climb it?

look with your eyes, and listen with your heart, and you will find your purpose.

see raw power and dark energies - by Nightcloak in The Library Of Knowledge at: http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/tomekeeper/types/sorcery.html

and "understanding the twilight" - http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/tomekeeper/re...es/twilight.txt

E.
"sorcery is the engine that powers all magick"

This post has been edited by esoterica: Feb 11 2006, 12:46 PM

Thinking about Sorcery, what do others think on these points?

1)What distinguishes sorcery from other paths of magic? Specifically, what distinguishes it from ceremonial magic?

2)What is the goal of sorcery?

3)What tools are involved in sorcery, as well as practices?

4)Generally, I've heard that sorcery is more of a "dark/LHP" practice, however I think this idea comes from the belief that sorcery is concerned with the outcome of events, not how you get there(i might be misinterpreting that. but that's why I'm here!).

5)Why practice sorcery instead of other branches of magic?

6)What are some resources for the beginner in sorcery, or to get an idea of what it is? Books, websites, articles, etc?

Greetings! I've merged your new thread with that of an older thread. Please take time to read the older material. It may not be sensible to you but you aren't managing the site. Tough. All it takes is alittle initiative and some patience to bother to read what has been printed before. - MOD SQUAD

I did read all of it before posting, I wouldn't have made the thread otherwise (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Then you can see by the posts and the posting dates how much interest has been generated here. It has been the stance of management to lock down duplicate posts or threads (which yours is...). I have endeavored to give you space to try to ressurect this thread. Good luck!

On another note, Welcome to the Forum! I didn't want your first posting here to be locked as a duplicate...consider this a welcome aboard present! Off-topic: Do take time to familiarize yourself with the posted rules, etc. Check out the Library!

Sorcery has had quite a muddled time for any number of reasons, the least of which is the definition itself. Noone can seem to give a clear and concise meaning. There are well over a half dozen sites on the internet that are all too willing to give you their interpretation...yet they all disagree to some extent. Some simply state that Sorcery is the use of Magic amd/or mental ability brought to bear on the users self and universe in accordance to the users will and generally without the use of spells or magic ritual, ie by natural talent. Some consider Sorcery to be LHP working. There are many variations on the theme. If you read the aforementioned material then you can kind of see what I'm refering to. Perhaps your efforts here will be the necessary impetus needed to spark some interest. I leave it to you and whomever wishes to discourse upon the subject. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)