Well here i am again iv been here and there and ever where on this forum trying to learn my way in to the higher ranks so im going to just ask for once since im so very tired of having goggel or whatever yelled at me. To the point iv been told on many a comment use your empath as a starting point learn about it and use it weild it well here i am asking.

What is empathic ability exactuly to start off with i know it is a base mental ability can be dormant and awoken or breed through years of mental enegerys in a human child.

I also already know that it works somthing like a receptor of others emotions and feelings whice with enough brain power put in to it can somtimes lead a person to be able to read others thoughts or just hit the target enough to make them spill the beans as well i know from experince.

And last but not least i also know that if a human has this ability and dos not know how to control it or shield from it then they lose complete control and there mental psychie is shatterd like glass on the hood of a taxi cab i also know this from having it happen to me i am only still alive because i learned to not block my empathy but just drown it out with certin things but there are times when my own demonic like rage (whice i have no idea where it comes from) tips to breaking point because of all the emotions i get hit with to the point that i feel like im not even in the world any more.

My question is simple i want to know the best and most effective notice i say EFFECTIVE methode of controling this and weilding it to my own gains if need be im not evil nor am i good but this ability could be used for somthing unique if i knew every handle i could grab hold of it see what i mean.

I also want to know how this could ability could be used in battle no doubt it could be used to sense rage or hostility from a person but i would need to know who it was coming from else not much good is it more so if i have a distance on this ability i could be feeling the emtions of an angery goat hearder in new zeland.
Pluse if it is possiable to weild it like a weapon against spirits or beasts much like a shriek spirit wails inside a persons mind to stun them so they can take the body or destory it.

understand iv spent my whole life knowing there is magick out there iv felt it all around me at all times as a kid it was so accute that i craved it like a drug somthing to have i needed i knew demons and monsters where real just like all the people who controled them i knew magick was there and pshycics where as real as the things going on in the news and that i was drawn to them i was at least hoping i was meant to be apart of that world iv read books here and there but i still trust in blind instincte alone much like a mage with a dowsing rod threw fate in to the wind hoping that stick would find water or what he was looking for.

So please help me out if you feel the need to put me in my place then do so i will not deny i dont know enough to have a valid argument against your statings i only ask for help please and that i be given a shadow of a doubt that im not some punk kid just trying to get rich quick of beat up on some bully with a curse that hurt me in the old grades im just me strange magick bent and hoping one day ill understand enough to have it be a full time gig well ttfn and thank you for an who help.

Higher ranks? Ranks of what exactly?



What is it you want to gain?



You could, of course, be wrong.

I would suggest you google TOPY, I think they are the people you are looking for.
You also might want to Google '1st Earth Battalion' as well.

Being empathic doesn't enable the empath to hear another persons thoughts. Being an empath enables you to FEEL what the other person is FEELING. A thought, is NOT a feeling.

Controlling it takes will power, focus, strength, and like any other divinatory self-tool, visualization.

Why would you want to use it in battle? What battle? What is this need to fight, and then to think that you can exploit your inherent gifts for violence? Are you all about this new "Sprititual War" that everyone has been talking about?

I think your incrediably unbalanced between the spiritual world and physical reality. I think you need to get your head back from out the clouds, because it's gonna bite you in the arse when you get a face full of reality later on. I'm not saying this to be a bitch, I'm saying this because I went through it, and I've seen others in this same position. Come back, and find your balance.

Namaste

This post has been edited by DollHouseKitty: Sep 29 2005, 09:30 AM

I will say as much as i can that im sorry and forgive me for being unclear in my wishes indeed i could have been wrong in those things for years i thought i really and truly was wrong but how can i be wrong when ever thing i knew to be true was belive by so many other people if im wrong in that assumption then i will learn that in due time.

Also battle fighting these are just words i choose to use and where misunderstood i will be more clear in my way of speaking please forgive me on the matter and when i said ranks i just meant to be apart of the paranormal community that life style i have no military meaning behind it.

what is it i would like to gain most easily put is freedom i would like freedom from just the simple bee hive manner of the world to as stuiped as your going to make this sound after you reply be like merlin was just out side the norm and enjoying the use of his ability to control more then just the path of his own life if you can understand this then im done.

i understand that it dos not allow me to hear others feelings i understand that im able to feel others feeling and i know a thought is not a feeling what i meant was that if i know enough about the person and am at least of some semi intellegince then i could come up with what they are thinking. Example i feel a person is sad and i know they have a bad home life but they are hiding there sadness then through common sense and my empathic ability i can assume that most likely its a home problem they are suffering from that is what i meant.

I understand it takes those things to do it but that still dos not tell me in what manner i should focuse them or in what way i should direct them or how i could tell if somthing is happing at all just along those lines will do.

like i said before also battle is just a misunderstood word there is no need to fight and i do not think there is some great battle going on im not incrediably unbalanced between the spiritual world and physical reality. Im very stuck in the physical reality and understand it but it dos not change my dislike for it i do not wish to exploit it for violence if you would read carfuly what i said i wish to learn ways i can use it to avoide danger or battles or whatever bad moment i could walk in to like i said if i could feel the anger coming from some one then I COULD DO SOMTHING ABOUT IT that dos not mean it would have to be in a negitive way you just assumed i would use it towards negative means the law of carma do not stop for any man more so me.



Life bite me in the ass along time ago when everone around me told me i was insane for beliving that magick or anything even was out there and then they had me commeted on my 15th birthday because i had put protection runes in my door way saying i had lost touch with reality no need to tell me im unbalanced i got that enough for doing the stuff most of the people do here on this site on a reguler bases i just asked fairly just incorrectly and im sorry you know nothing about me so i understand your point of out look on my comments and questions but understand im doing all that i can with nothing and ever body in my life against it so im not having an easy time with this.

Forgive the temper but it makes me very upset to be told im in balanced when im quite clear on the fact im very balanced took 2 doctors telling my family that before they would belive it.

On a side note i dont even know what a spirital war is so it would not be possiable for me to be apart of it

I did try reading your reply but the unusual syntax put me off.

Then i shall try better please forgive me for upsetting any one ill work harder and will not upset any one again

I don't think anyone is upset, hun. You don't need to worry about getting people in a tizzy over this kind of stuff, really. What simply happened was mediocracy and myself just couldn't understand what you where saying. From the way I see it, you where upset and just needed to get things out, all in one giant blurb. It happens, yo!

Namaste

I find your posts really hard to read because of the lack of , ' . etc.
It is a shame because I suspect what you are posting is probably quite interesting.

I'm not trying to give an english lesson here but when you type...



... I find it hard to read.



With the improved syntax people find it easier to read. You have not upset anyone, the reason we are here is to read and debate and share ideas.

Martial arts are a great way to deal with emotional problems of all kinds (empathy, unempathetic, emotional blockage) of course it has to be a good martial arts teacher, who can teach you something not some mcdojo that charges you a ridiculous price and then doesn't teach you anything. If you find a good Aikido teacher, Tae kwon doe teacher or a good chinese martial arts (any martial art with a spiritual side) teacher you'll learn to be able to create 'the wall' after a while, and it won't be made from sand either. So I find your metaphor of battle an apt one. The teacher must be able to teach you to protect yourself it's important as the feeling that we can't protect ourselves is so often the source of the emotional distress that you describe. All in all I recommend Aikido for you, as it's very spiritually (whatever that means) oriented and it will be the most easy for you to convince any your parents if they were leary of you learning a martial art. Trust me keep at it for two years and your parents and yourself will see a definite change in energy level and personal expression.

Remember though good teacher is the most important, Another thing is that occult players martial artists often are of like mind as well, so you'll often be mingling with people of more like mind.

This post has been edited by Bb3: Sep 30 2005, 02:36 AM

I will say as much as i can that im sorry and forgive me for being unclear in my wishes indeed, I could have been wrong in those things for years i thought i really and truly was wrong, But how can i be wrong when ever thing i knew to be true was Belived by so many other people as well, If Im wrong in that assumption then i will learn that in due time.

Also battle, fighting, These are just word's I choose to use and where misunderstood, I will be more clear in my future replys, Forgive me on the matter. When i said ranks i just meant to be apart of the paranormal community, that life style I have no military meaning behind it.

What is it I would like to gain most easily put is freedom, I would like freedom from just the simple bee hive manner of the world. As stuiped as your going to make this sound after you reply, I want to be like merlin was just out side the norm, enjoying the use of his ability to control more then just the path of his own life if you can understand this then im done.

I understand that empathy do's not allow me to hear others feelings. I understand that im able to feel others feeling and i know a thought is not a feeling, What I was trying to say was that if I know enough about the person, or use enough common sense, and am of at least some semi intellegince then i could come up with what they are thinking. Example i feel a person is sad and i know they have a bad home life, but they are hiding there sadness then through common sense and my own empathic ability, I can assume that most likely its a home problem they are suffering from that is what I meant.

I understand it takes those kind of focuses to do it, But that still dos not tell me in what manner i should focuse them, In what way i should direct them or how i could tell if somthing is even happing at all, or if my mind was making it up that is is mostly what i meant.

Like i said before also battle is just a misunderstood word, There is no need to fight and i do not think there is some great battle going on, Im not incrediably unbalanced between the spiritual world and physical reality. Im very stuck in the physical reality and understand It , But it dos not change my dislike for it. I do not wish to exploit it for violence, If you would read carfuly what i said i wish to learn ways i can use it to avoide danger, battles , or whatever bad moment i could walk in to like. I said if i could feel the anger coming from some one then I COULD DO SOMTHING ABOUT IT, That dos not mean it would have to be in a negitive way. You just assumed i would use it towards negative means the law of carma do not stop for any man more so me I do not seek to incure there wrath.

Its not easy for me to talk about this or even ask for help because, Along time ago when everone around me told me i was insane for beliving that magick or anything even was out there. Then they had me commeted on my 15th birthday because i had put protection runes in my door fram saying i had lost touch with reality. No need to tell me im unbalanced, I got that enough for doing the stuff most of the people do here on this site on a reguler bases. I just asked fairly just incorrectly and im sorry, You know nothing about me so i understand your point of out look on my comments, I understand the questions but understand, Im doing all that i can with nothing and ever body in my life against it. Im not having an easy time with this.

Forgive the temper but it makes me very upset to be told im in balanced when im quite clear on the fact im very balanced, Took 2 doctors telling my family that before they would belive it.

On a side note i dont even know what a spirital war is so it would not be possiable for me to be apart of it.

Im sorry for how i had acted when i wrote this, I hope its more clear im not a good typest. I really just want to learn everying i can with my ability and the full extent of things i could do weilding it. And I wish only to Help with my abilitys, and harm nobody through those means till later.

And thank you Bb3 for reading and replaying, I thank you I'v been teaching myself but have felt what you said to be true for long time just unable to get somthing like that at the moment. A teacher I mean.

Hope this was typed better and well enough to read ~bows~

Apologies for not reading the whole thing, but the main focus here is feeling in order to expand consciousness.

Spirituality always helps as well. If you can realize, understand, and feel your conscienceness outside yourself as well as in, You've done well.

The emotions and thoughts are one in the same for this type of work. You must feel the emotion, at first it will be hard as you might not understand most of it, but eventually you will get better and even more so, your subconscious will start to decipher them automatically. I suppose this is likened to telepathy. I mostly use it when healing with astral entities

Hope that was clear, write back if you need a better explanation

_ .Well as an Empath I understand what he means by hearing others thoughts; it’s not as strong as telepathy and it’s not as weird as it sounds. Feelings are in fact thoughts on some degree; if someone projects an emotion strong enough it can take the form of words, images or sounds in the mind of the receiver. I've experienced this, I've also thought I was naturally telepathic but I'm not. I've tested this with several friends, I've told them to not feel so much but just thing of something so that I can try and read their minds, I couldn't do it then. There were only small amounts of feelings and not enough to pick up as a thought. Its rare but it does happen when a strong emotions is heard clearly to an empath.

What is this new "Spiritual War"? I don't recall ever hearing about that, please share.

_ .I also agree that your gifts should be used to help and not hurt. I agree in non-violence but sometimes the world just isn't that cooperative; if you or your family is threatened with grave danger, use any means necessary to ensure the safety of your person and those dear to you. But a peaceful solution must first be attempted.

Remember, everyone is capable of dodging bullets. Just don't put yourself in a situation where you are liable to be shot.

Doftheunknownpath,

I was going to offer suggestion, but I can't read your posts, work on your grammar please. These paragraphs of sentences, make no sense to me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fie.gif)
I have had experience as a working psychic/empath and would kindly offer suggestion. Be more specific in your questions too...

Cheers,

Student at SAE World HQ
http://www.sae.edu
Australia

Before you cast aspersions it is well to check your own spelling. What sort of angles - right or cute?
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/oops.gif) Forgot to spell check, good call

C'mon guys...when life gives you lemons, make lemonaid! I too had trouble with the grammer, but if you feel out the post, you can get the gist of what our friend is asking. Rather than focus on his/her grammer (or lack thereof) use it as an opportunity to practice feeling intention in the words. Remember, there is no such thing as bad luck, only opportunity. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif)


The answer: Yes, empathic skills can be used in battle. First, connect, as you would to feel their thoughts. Then send them feelings and images of fear, death, destruction, etc. Watch em squirm. You can go further and use your link to essentially put a chokehold on them so they physically feel as though they cannot breath or are having a heart attack. This will freeze your opponent and allow you to strike them dead on.


Enjoy.


Makavelli

ah... hello.

Believe it or not this thread was one of the reasons why i decided to join these forums. After doing a quick search i determined this was as good a place as any to post my thoughts on the subject.

I am an empath, although, i'm not a very good one. Having said that, i have a few techniques for improving empathy, and i'd be happy to explain what I understand empath to be, and a describing a few uses of it.

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What is empathy?

In as short a form as possible, empathy is the ability to experience the emotions of another being. I commonly refer to empathy as a talent; While this isn't the most accurate word to describe it, it works because the various mundane aspects of empathy can be taught to anyone, but some of the magical aspects of the discipline don't seem to be able to simply be acquired. The exact reasoning behind this is a subject for an entirely new thread. There are many traits which will greatly help any empath, but i'm going to specifically site honesty as being the most valuable. While other common virtues rank high on the list (Inner Strength, Sincerity, Introspection... Etc), Being honest, in all aspects of the word, will allow yourself to experience the true power of empathy.

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Some mundane skills which will help you develope empathy:

- Be Social: Aside from the obvious extra opportunites to use the discipline, you'll have the ability to become familar with a larger number of people. Personalities are diverse and individual idiosyncracies exist from person to person, even between similar people. Another thing that this will help alleviate is shyness.

- Body Language: Learn to read body language. Actions speak louder then words. People masking body language will start to become more obvious because they make a conscious effort to mask their body language.

- Role Play: As any psychiatrist can tell you, Emotional interaction is very complex;Iin many ways it is very similar to a positive feed back loop. Being able to walk a mile in another person's shoes helps you understand them. alot.

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The begining magical aspect of this discipline is the ability to read a person's eyes. An individuals eyes are the doorways to their soul. At this level, you really don't experience their emotions, but you should begin to develope a greater understanding for the person you're reading. Something that should be noted, it takes a relatively high amount of trust for a person to allow you to look directly at their eyes for a sustained amount of time. With some practice you can read a person's eyes extremely quickly.

The next level is the ability to know certain things. Personality traits, mood, and immediate intentions are all things that can be sensed at this point, but are in no way the extent of what you can just know about a person using empathy. As a some what obvious side note, overt emotions are much more distinct, and thus, much more easily discerned; Some times your first inklings are the most correct. For most people, this is level that most focus on. I believe most people don't develope the art further because they preferentially use it as a tool to get to know those around them, and, thus, preferentially prefer to develope the speed with which they can utilize it. There is, however, one last level to empathy.

The final level of empathy is the ability to determine what another is feeling without having had any physical contact with the person whatsoever. Allow me to qualify that a bit. Spirits and ghosts can be encountered at any level, and empath can be used on them, but at this level you can begin to feel them, even if they are not actively trying to interact with you. Such beings are over powering to empaths. While i have personally experienced this i don't recommend it. i find that i much prefer the other application of this level of proficiency: empathy with those you care for. Many scoff at empathy, but the first time you awaken because a loved one is crying, and i don't mean anywhere close, you'll quickly develope an appreciation for the art. In order to get to this level you must be very familar with the person in question. I am only "intune" with my immediate family members (My Parents, and siblings).

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What and where empathy is useful, and when it is not:

I find empathy to be quite useful in getting to know and understand those around me.

Without hours of explanation: i tend to utilize my empathic ability most when i am in doubt. I have been hurt by this practice, but it is my natural tendency.

Empathy is incredibly strong but it does have it's draw backs. Doftheunknownpath provided an excellent example. Even the freindliest altercation will involve feelings of contention. Contention leads to anger, anger leads to violence. Using an empathic gift will at least double the amount of anger a person is experiencing (not that i really think anger can be quantified).

Strong emotions are over whelming. I have acquired a very detached personality as a result of the talent.

any way... i thinkk that's sufficient. talk some if y'all got any questions.

This post has been edited by Qcks: Aug 12 2006, 10:22 AM

This is an article I wrote a while back.



Most very strong empaths and telepaths don't last long... Their psyches normally get fractured in a billion different paradigms of personality or they suffer from psychological angst that drives them mad are into self destruction. The most common are drinking, drugs, and sex with some suicide thrown in. A lot of empaths store emotions and personality traits and re channel them. I picked up the anger of a mass murderer. I am angry. I recall that emotion and bits of that psyche on top of my own anger making it seem "demonic". An empath or a telepath's personality can be warped. Depending on the scope of the gift, the personality traits of others can be picked up and assimilated into your own.