Hey Guys,
I just voted for Vassago as the most famous demon in another thread (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
I myself have never really communicate with entity's as im new to occult. I just posted my intro. Anyways I have always felt close to Vassago I guess. Maybe someday soon I summon Him.I recently started meditations [Void Meditation], you know when you blank your mind, etc. Anyways, how many of you have summoned Vassago? Did you see him? What methods did you use? Also,
If I do summon Him can I be his student? As in ask him to teach me things, work with me, enlighten me with knowledge, etc..Everyone says hes very friendly and nice to work with. Also if you want read my article on Communication with Entities:
http://glowingancients.tripod.com/X.rtf do tell me what you think. Maybe most people who talk to demons are being fooled, etc.
Also the Goeitc Demons are the demons allied with "Satan" rite?
Anyways, Thanks!

~father_satans_follower~

Did our answers on yahoo groups and Occult Forums not suffice? Well here goes again, the shorter form (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
You're link did not work.
They are only attributed with Satan to Satanists usually.
Vassago is a great teacher, however I recommend a good deal of groundwork in magic before doing evocation.
Please do not ask about that website that you do on all the other boards, it gets old.

http://glowingancients.tripod.com/X.rtf Ill just copy/paste the article. Do tell me what you think and no I never really learned anything good from Occult Forums. I just posted again there and what Yahoo Group are you talking about?

*This article might be offensive to some people. Let me warn you from now if you feel offensive at any point, stop reading. Im not saying that its not possible at all to talk to Enitities or something. Maybe some people actually do talk to entities such as the old Egyptian Gods, Angels, Dragons, etc.*

Alot of people claim that they communicate with entites, talk to them, etc. Well I think that many of them if not all are just talking to their own mind. They are just fooling themselves. Lets take an ordinary person who just maybe dedicated himself to the Ancient Gods (Enki, Hathor, etc). So he did the dedication ritual and then guess what. This person will probably hope alot of times in a day that "Oh I wish the Gods talk to me now! Im gonna hear voices soon!" This person will think about this alot during the day and guess what. He might start hearing voices. He might ask the Gods question and "get answers mentally.", but its probably his mind talking to him. If you hear voices its probably your mind talking to you, your subconscious mind. This person slowly starts to ask questions mentally to the Gods and sits and tried to wait for a response in his head and his mind talks to him and he believes some entity spoke to him. He was just fooled. This im sure happens to most people. Most people are just talking to their own minds in simple words. The subconscious mind is extremely powerful.

Many people also say that when they want to communicate with the Gods they have to be in a meditative state...I repeat Many people also say that when they want to communicate with the Gods they have to be in a *meditative state*. Now usually in deep meditative states the body is very relaxed, and therefore communication with the subconscious or the unconscious mind becomes very easy. Like during hypnosis the body becomes very relaxed and therfore any suggestions given is heard directly by the subconscious mind. So basiclly when the body is relaxed it is much easier to communicate with the subconscious mind and thats exaclty what people do when they think they are in a deep meditative state talking to the Gods.

People can learn how to actually communicate with their subconscious mind. There are many excercises to do this. Meditation is pretty useful for building a link with your subconscious mind. Here is some stuff I would like you guys to read too: http://www.psipog.net/show.php?id=36
Many of you might say well the subconscious mind doesnt know things we dont consciouslly know? Well lets look at some stuff.***A very good example I can give you is Remote Viewing. Its when you *Mentally* travel to other places, etc. You can now remote view to maybe Afghanistan and see whats going on there...MENTALLY. Remote Viewers are these days being used alot by Police especially to find people who have been kidnapped.*** Many people also use divination tools such as Pendulums. Who do you think moves the pendulum? I dont think some Entities sit next to the Pendulum and move it. Its your subconsious mind that moves it. You can ask the Pendulum questions and will give you answers. After enough practice you will become very good at it. You can ask it questions like "Is the playing card infront of me black?" The pendulum will say yes if it is black, etc..Your link with the subconsious mind actually becomes stronger while you use pendulums and im sure you have even read this on some websites. Another thing that I have found funny which I have read and alot of people do. Its a method of communication with entities. Like you print out some entities sigil for example Enki's sigil, or just write it yourself on a piece of paper. So there you have his sigil. Then you talk a pendulum and put it over the sigil and ask questions to Enki.......This really doesnt make sense to me. Its just a sigil! Just some lines on a small paper. Maybe it does have some "powers" but Enki doesnt live in his sigils and wont move the pendulum or something. He doesnt keep track of all his sigils {I doubt it}. I think a sigil is just like your signature except it looks a little weirder and stranger. To an ordinary person it might look like some odd shape or something. Nothing more.

One thing I would like you guys to read is Chapter 10 from the book "Out of Body Experiences: How to have Them and what to Expect". This wonderful book is written by Rob Peterson. Below is the chapter in red taken from http://www.robertpeterson.org/chap10.html


CHAPTER 10
The Small Still Voice Within
One cold day in early 1980, I was waiting at a bus stop. At that time, I had about a dozen OBEs to my credit. I thought about my favorite television show, "Kung Fu," which always had tidbits of wisdom sprinkled throughout the show. The Shaolin masters in the show were always portrayed as kind and humble, but above all wise. I wished I could be wise like that. Then I remembered a story in the Bible about Solomon (1 Kings, 3: 5-13). In the story, God offered to give Solomon anything and Solomon chose the gift of wisdom. Solomon was rewarded well for his choice. I wondered what it would be like if I were wise: "If I were wise," I thought to myself, "I could probably think up any question and look inside and find a truly wise answer there."

If I were a wise man and someone asked me questions, what would I say? I started to fantasize, asking myself philosophical questions and making up answers, pretending I was wise. Suppose they asked, "What is love?" I paused to think. I'd say, "Love is the binding force of the Universe." If they asked "Who am I?" I would answer, "You are a spark of God's divine Light."

My bus wasn't there, so I continued with this daydream. I asked myself more questions. Each time I'd look deeper into myself for the answer. After a few times I was surprised at the answers I came up with; the answers didn't seem like me at all! At the time, nothing seemed out of the ordinary, so I didn't even write about it in my journal.

This "wisdom" game was a lot of fun, so the next few days I practiced whenever I had free time. Instead of asking specific questions, I started asking myself to "Say something wise." This also gave me unexpected results, such as:

Perfect love is never selfish. It's wrong not to love at all. It is better to love someone and selfishly desire their love. It is still better to love someone, and desire to give them your love, asking nothing in return. It is best to love All That Is unselfishly, and recognize everything as a part of that creation, including your loved one and yourself.

Upon closer examination, I didn't exactly make up "words" in my head when I asked myself questions. I got a jumble of thoughts, feelings, words, sounds and images, and I "translated" this jumble into words. Then I said the translated words to myself, and somehow they made sense. Later, this translation process became so automatic that it was just like "talking."

I had learned to ask myself questions, and come up with answers, but I was very skeptical about it. It seemed as if I were pretty much "making up" the answers I wanted, even if the answers often had a lot more "insight" than I thought I had. The answers just came to me from the top of my head. They only came when I asked, and often they were the first things that entered my mind after I formulated the question. For that reason, I viewed this all as a "game" I was playing, never taking it seriously.

Then the inner source of wisdom started to develop a personality of its own. Very gradually I started noticing that I was sometimes getting "answers" without asking questions. I started getting advice and reminders from within, which would come out of the blue.

I noticed that the answers addressed me in the second person; instead of receiving the message, "I should park over there" I would receive the message, "You should park over there, Bob." Also, the answers started getting more specific. Messages like, "You should park over there" became "You should park over there, because there's more time on that parking meter than this one." Later, these things turned out to be true. At first I thought I might be going crazy. Crazy people heard voices. But as I said before, I wasn't really hearing voices; I was just getting impressions and translating them into words. Then I began to worry about spirits.

So one day I decided to probe a little deeper into this issue. One day after I left work, I went for a short walk and started asking this "source" some new questions:

Q: "What is your name?"
A: "You can call me anything you like."
Q: "Do you have a name?"
A: "Names are not important; wisdom is important. Remember, the message is important, not the source."
Q: "Are you a spirit?"
A: "No, not as you think of it."
Q: "Then what are you?"
A: "Someone who has your best interests at heart: I am you; another part of you."
Q: "Why are you here? Why am I hearing you?"
A: "My job is to help you in any way that I can, to help you become more aware, to see that you pay attention to the lessons that you are learning."
Q: "If you're me, than why do you address me as 'you'?"
A: "That's to help you tell the difference between your own thoughts and my messages."

Because of some book I had read, I started calling it my "inner voice." For months I distrusted my inner voice. Sometimes I would take its advice and sometimes I would not. Time after time, my inner voice proved its guidance was sound, but still I would not trust it. And because I was afraid of what people would think, I never told anyone.

One day my inner voice started speaking with me, saying, "Why do you constantly fight me?" I replied, "I just don't trust you; I've heard of stories where insane people murder and later say that 'God' or 'Voices' told them to kill. If you ask me, any kind of nonverbal communication seems really strange to me; if anyone knew I talked to a voice inside of me, they would lock me up." My inner voice replied, "Have I ever told you to kill people? No! Have I ever told you a lie? No! Have I ever given you any reason to mistrust me? No! Has anything I've said ever been wrong? No!"

It continued. "Always remember this: It is okay to listen to your inner voice, and it is okay to take its advice, but always, always use your own judgment. You are not allowed to use me as an excuse for not taking action, or for taking an action, or for not using your own judgment. As long as you use your own common sense and judgment, you aren't going to murder people, because common sense tells you that murder is wrong."

"I am here to give you advice and helpful hints. I can give you answers to any questions, provided those questions are not part of your current lessons. For some lessons, you must find the answers for yourself."

"What I am asking is very simple. Try an experiment: try trusting me and taking my advice (while still using your own judgment and common sense) for one week, without fighting me. After one week, if I've lied to you or misguided you, feel free to ignore me. However, if my advice has been good, you can take this as far as you want."

I agreed to the experiment, and I started following the advice of my inner voice. One week passed and my psychic awareness increased. I decided I would continue to trust my inner voice until it gave me reasons to distrust it.

That was the beginning of a new cooperation between me and my inner voice: It started giving me more advice, helping me interpret my dreams and reminding me of things I had forgotten. For example, one morning I had gotten my motorcycle out of the garage to go to work when my inner voice said to bring my bag of tools with me--"It'll come in handy today; You'll regret it if you don't." So I got off my motorcycle, walked back inside and got my tool bag. I asked my inner voice if my motorcycle was going to run into mechanical problems. It replied, "Your motorcycle is fine." "Then why should I bring tools?" "Trust me. You'll regret it if you don't." Later that day, as I pulled into a parking spot, I noticed a man with a stalled truck. I asked, "Having truck problems?" He said, "Yeah. You haven't got a Phillips screwdriver on you, do you?" I got out the tool bag and gave him a screwdriver. I was glad I had brought the tools, and I thanked my inner voice. It was right--I would have regretted it if I had not brought the tools.

My inner voice is often fond of helping people. For example, one day I went to my credit union, but I arrived ten minutes before they opened. I walked down the street, wondering what I should do to kill the time. Then my inner voice asked me to go into MacDonalds, which was in the opposite direction. So I walked to MacDonalds and went inside. The man in front of me ordered some coffee, but his speech was very slurred because he was deaf. The man repeated himself several times, but the cashier didn't understand. I knew a bit of American Sign Language, so I acted as translator to allow him to speak with his cashier. After I left the restaurant, I felt good inside. My inner voice congratulated me for a job well done.

My inner voice also provided me with "psychic" information I could not have known otherwise. One day I decided to eat lunch in the cafeteria. I stood in line trying to decide what flavor of yogurt to buy. Finally I decided to get blueberry yogurt, so I picked up a container. Then my inner voice said, "Boysenberry." I asked my inner voice, "Do you mean I should switch?" It replied "That's okay. Eat what you like." So I decided to keep my blueberry yogurt. I sat down and opened it, and there was boysenberry flavored yogurt inside! The carton was plainly marked "Blueberry" and the carton was deep blue. But the yogurt inside was purple boysenberry.

My inner voice carefully guided my actions, and it always worked out to my advantage. This journal entry from 1985 shows what I mean:

02-09-85 Sat

More "Psychic" events. About a month ago I found out that Boston (the rock group) had a member named Barry Goudreau, who put out an album. Since I'm a fan of Boston I tried to find the album, but it was out of print. I went to every record store I knew in the Minneapolis and St. Paul area, but nobody had it. I told JO that I'd mail her a copy of the album on cassette tape if I ever found it. Well, I was going to mail another tape to JO today, and my inner voice was very active.

First I had to go to an office-supply store to find a mailer to mail the tape in. I went and found a perfect-sized mailer, and was going to buy one, when my inner voice said, "Get two!" I asked it, "Why? I'm not planning to send any more tapes for a while." My inner voice just said, "Just get two; I'm sure you can find a use for the second one." I was in a hurry, so I didn't argue with my inner voice, I just bought two, without any plans to send another tape. When I went to the post office, I got the best parking spot, when all of the other available parking was taken. My inner voice suggested before I left from home that I should make some copies of the latest MSPR [Minnesota Society for Parapsychological Research] newsletter. So after I left the post office, I went to the University to make more copies of the newsletter. As fate would have it, I couldn't find a parking spot except two blocks away from the print shop. My inner voice said, "Park here; it's not that far to walk." So I parked there, and started walking to the print shop. On the way, I noticed something interesting in a shop window, so I looked at the shop. It was a record shop, a very tiny one I didn't know about and one I'd never been in. My inner voice said, "Go in. The newsletters will wait." So I went in. It was a very small record shop, but there was a section that said "ON SALE." My inner voice said, "Go over there and look in the "G's." I replied mentally, "Oh come on! I hunted in every record store in Minnesota for Barry Goudreau's album; this tiny store won't have it, and they wouldn't have it on sale!" But I thought, "Oh what the heck, it doesn't hurt to look." Sure enough, I had been very carefully guided to find Barry Goudreau's album, and it only cost me $2.19! I told the shop owner that I'd been hunting high and low for that album, and had been to almost every record store in the Twin Cities, and couldn't find it anywhere. He said, "Really? That's interesting. And now you found it on sale."

Then I made the copies of the newsletter. I came out of the print shop and I remembered that I never fed my parking meter. My inner voice said, "Don't worry about it. Go over to JRCA and buy some tapes to record the album." I argued back, "But my parking meter is expired, and JRCA's tapes are not as cheap as Best Buy. I could go to my car, save myself a ticket and get tapes at Best Buy for $2.00 each, whereas JRCA tapes are usually $2.50 each." But my inner voice insisted that I go to JRCA. Despite always arguing with my inner voice, it always knows what is best for me. I went to JRCA, and asked "How much are your Maxell UDXL-II's?" The man went and grabbed four tapes (I wanted to buy four tapes, but I didn't tell him that!) He told me the tapes were $1.99 each! I only had $9.00 left, so I had just enough money to buy four tapes! I got back to my car. No ticket!

My inner voice has been responsible for much of the "psychic" information I have received. In many ways, it seems like "cheating" because I don't have to work for this information; it's there for the asking.

I also found out my inner voice had a sense of humor. One morning I wrote down an out-of-body experience and I lost track of the time. When I realized I was running behind, I left in a hurry. I bolted out the door when my inner voice suddenly interrupted, "Hey, Bob, you forgot to lock the door!" I ran back, locked the door and thanked my inner voice. My inner voice jokingly replied, "You'd forget your body if it wasn't attached!"

I've also been helped by my inner voice during my out-of-body experiences. For example:

07/25/82 Sun - OBE #80

...I used the same swaying method to get out of my body again....I was stuck to my body. I thought about it some more. I figured that the only way I could move was to close my eyes and trust my feelings. So I closed my eyes but immediately thought, "No! If I close my eyes, I might fall asleep!" If I have been reading for an hour, and I close my eyes, I will usually fall asleep. I can tell how likely this is to happen to me. So although I had started to move, I decided to open my eyes, and I saw that I was again in the same place. I thought of another way: if I could change my vision to purely astral vision I should be okay, I thought. So I lifted my arms out in front of me, and I tried to see clairvoyantly. I heard my inner voice clearly say, "Practicing clairvoyant vision here will greatly help your Earthly clairvoyant vision." I looked at my arms, not astrally, but clairvoyantly, as if trying to see a spirit from the physical world. My arms were transparent when I looked at them that way. They looked like transparent, dark black, filmy shadows. I studied them for a while, then blacked out.

Here is another example of my inner voice helping me during an OBE:
10-31-82 Sun - OBE #83

...Another thing happened last night. It was like a lesson from my inner voice. It wanted to teach me the difference between clairvoyant vision and out-of-body vision. So first it showed me a place clairvoyantly, and it said, "this is clairvoyant vision." Then it showed me the same scene with out-of-body vision. I remember some of the differences. First, although both pictures were clear and vivid, the out-of-body picture had more of a sense of depth. I could tell my spatial location, because I had normal depth perception. In the clairvoyant vision, I saw the same things, and I could tell it was three-dimensional, but it was more like a photograph, where some particulars stood out more than others. In short, the clairvoyance was like looking at a regular photograph, only some objects in the room seemed somehow emphasized. The out-of-body vision was different in that I was in the picture.

My inner voice has been one of the most beneficial forces in my life. Amazing things can happen if you begin using this tool. Your inner voice has always been there; all you have to do is listen inside.

What exactly is an inner voice? Some people may believe it to be a spirit guide. Perhaps some of today's "trance channels" are merely talking to their inner voice, then doing the same sort of verbal translation. Personally, I believe the inner voice is a communications link to your oversoul, or higher self.

My inner voice is notoriously honest and blunt. Once I asked my inner voice, "Why didn't you communicate with me before that cold winter day?" It replied, "Why didn't you listen to me before?" I asked, "Why don't you talk to me more often now?" It replied, "Why don't you listen to me more often now?" Then it struck me: Why don't we all?
END OF CHAPTER 10.


Now lets look at something. This person practises alot of Astral Projection, and therefore he practised relaxation alot because to astral project relaxation is very important. And what did you read above in my article? When a person is relaxed, the body is very relaxed, and therefore communication with the subconscious or the unconscious mind becomes very easy. Like during hypnosis the body becomes very relaxed and therfore any suggestions given is heard directly by the subconscious mind. So basiclly when the body is relaxed it is much easier to communicate with the subconscious mind. So this person had probably developed a link or good interaction with his subconscious mind due to relaxation and meditation. This person started talking to this "voice" which he thinks is some spirit guide, psychic events started happening etc. One more thing I would like to say is that when people do start astral projecting psychic events do start happening. You can ask this yourself on any Astral Projection forum on the net. I think these psychic events start happening due to the subconscious as I explained above.

Many people also say they have dreams about the Gods and communicate with the Gods in the dreams. They say when the Gods came in their dream it was some sort of a "sign". Dreams are only dreams. If you keep on thinking about something alot, or are obsessed with something then you will dream about that particular thing. Let me tell you something from my own personal experience. When I saw the JoS a year ago and a few days before I dedicated I asked Satan to show me if he was real/to show me his pressence. And I really meant it, and asked Satan to give me a dream. When I went to bed I had a dream...In the dream I was sitting on my bed in total darkness. The lights were not on. Then I asked Satan to show me if he was real or to show me his pressence and I felt something all over my body and the lights started to go on and off...This was offcourse all in the dream....Let me also remind you in those days [when I came first across the JoS] I used to think about the Demons and Satanism alot,and I mean it. I always went on www.joyofsatan.com read about Demons, Meditations, etc. It was all very exciting for me at the time that there was such cool stuff. I also tried to look for signs from Satan or the Demons. Usually when people ask for such stuff they will go subconsciouslly looking for them. You will have dreams, hear voices, etc....
One sign I had was that I was next to a building and I saw a baphomant or inverted pentacle on the wall. Once I was lying in bed and I asked Satan to show me his pressence and I felt very weird and scared....probably because I was expecting something to happen and my subconscious mind did something.
When people also summon demons at night the demon sometimes appears in their dreams and communicates with them. I read this somewhere on JoS. Well duh! You summoned a demon you were excited and you summoned and waited it was a precious moment for you then you went to bed and there you have some dreams about the demon you summoned.

Im not saying that its not possible at all to talk to Enitities or something. Maybe some people actually do talk to entities such as the old Egyptian Gods, Angels, Dragons, etc. This is just what I think..NOW. Just saying that most people who claim their interaction with entities are probably fooling themselves. Maybe some day in the future I might myself dedicate to the Ancient Gods, etc....And talk to them myself..... I would love to hear your comments on this article as this is my first article. You can reply to this post and tell me your comments. This article is open for debates/arguments, etc.

Thank You
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Good article (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) It would be awesome if you did more posts like this...
Awefully Atheistic viewpoint though. It also doesn't take into account for such things as physical manifestation, or when 5 or 6 people call the same entity and get the exact same info, that was not known previously.

Athena

Thanks!


Many people see things in the physical that arnt even there like go to a mental hospital. The mad man will tell you he sees snakes infront of him or cats or whatever even though its maybe only some phobia. If you really believe in something, and think bout it alot, you are likely to see it or hallucinate.



I dont know much about that..Im new! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fie.gif)

~father_satans_follower~

This post has been edited by FSF: Aug 24 2005, 01:04 PM

a phobia is the conjuction of alot of fear systems in the brain where one or more gets stuck on the fear causing in extreme cases very powerful halucinations intended to make the person flee or to avoid the danger, since a ritual or a voice in your head isn't related to fear it is unlikely that anyone would have a respons like that, though it is possible in a few but in the magnitude of this situation very unlikely.

I'm trying to understand how you write on the idea of evocation being simply a person talking to himself while previously admitting that you have never performed the act of summoning. Would the following statement have any validity if I made it?

"I think climbing mountains is really easy. It's just walking up a big hill."
"Maybe someday I will climb a mountain."

If one wishes to write about another's experience he would do well to attempt the experience himself. The idea of whether a "demon" is actually real or a psychological construct has been discussed by people who have performed evocation for many years. Personally I feel that sometimes the demon is actually there and other times it is imaginary, and both are equally valid. Ultimately it lies in the realm of the unprovable for now. Magick doesn't need to be explained, it works and that's all I need to know. Since your article deals with psychology I will leave you with this quote.

"Our own hopes and fears may be grounded in 'realities' that are recognizable to others, or they may be 'purely imaginary', but the joy or anxiety they bring is the same in either case - what we experience is real to us, if not to other people, and has its own validity, equal to, though different from, the 'reality' that is generally acknowledged."

"This attitude towards the reality of the psyche contrasts strikingly with that to which Jung (Carl Gustav) often refers as 'a nothing but attitude'. Those who hold this point of view continually belittle psychic manifestations, especially experiences which cannot easily be connected with outside events, and refer to them disparingly as 'nothing but imagination', or 'merely subjective'."------
Introduction to Jung's Psychology by Frieda Fordham

This post has been edited by chaoscrowley37: Aug 28 2005, 01:24 AM

Greetings FSF!
I've read the essay and think that you've done a decent job of laying it out. It deals with a subject that most here have thought about any number of times. And then I must also agree with both Athena and ChaosCrowley37. You put forth an interesting idea but need to be able to back yourself with experience to sound convincing. I think that what you say (perhaps that the voice and pictures are being supplied by our subconcious), IMHO, is partially correct. I do believe that we are able to tap into the subconcious...as well as interact with entities outside of the human realm. One of the goals of magic is to become cognizant of ourselve(s) (ie, the Holy Guardian Angel) and bring them into accord. This is also known in other cultures/faiths/practices, etc. as a goal/step towards enlightenment/understanding. This should be, again, IMHO, the primary focus...for if we don't know ourselves then how can we know one another? I fear that I'm failing to articulate my thoughts...KNOW THYSELF!
Vassago has nothing to do with Satan or Satanists, unless they are trying to invoke/evoke it. The Goetic entities are not Satanic in origin. It is of my belief that some are not anymore. I've never held with the belief that they represent various subconcious facets of our mind. But then, as with alot of Chaos theory, there is something to the idea that the Goetic entities are now more than they once were, just by people believing in them and trying to e(in)voke them. I do believe in the Collective Unconcious. All this and a buck fifty will get you a cup of coffee (*sigh* remember when it was two bits?).
There is just so much that we need to explore and Magic is but one. I wish you great Adventures! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wizard.gif)

This post has been edited by bym: Aug 28 2005, 07:18 PM

I am sort of curious though, why in the HELL would you summon Vassago if you don't beleive he exists?

Athena

Hey chaoscrowley37, thats pretty good. Good way to argue im glad a smart guy like you is discussing my article. I never said Ive never summoned any Demon, did I? I dont recall every saying that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


Athena, when did I say that I dont believe Vassago doesnt exist?

~father_satans_follower~

Well I guess if someone wanted to prove that the anomalies that take place in the triangle are not psychosomatic, then one could just as easily set up some ghost-hunter equipment about their temple room.

If you get evp's, drops or rises in temperature, infrared readings etc, then it is physical phenomenon...Perhaps...

Previous Post:

"I just voted for Vassago as the most famous demon in another thread.
I myself have never really communicate with entity's as im new to occult."



How else was this to be interpreted?
chaoscrowley.txt

The problem I have with that 'article' is FSF has no direct experience of any of this. I'm seeing a lot of rehashed theories from other people about relaxation, meditation, contacting the subconscious etc.

I might be more interested in people actually relating experiences rather than stuff they read in a book.

Hello! Its simply english I meant I havnt talked to any entities that doesnt mean I dont believe thet exist (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
I will summon Vassago soon probably in a months time and write my experience.

~father_satans_follower~

But if you contact with demons very often the his characeristics pass to you o simply developes your inner powers. And for make the job what do you give to the demon, an apple, bread, rice or what and I like to know if the demon make negative karma.
Thanks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/help.gif)

It's not the 'Demon' that creates negative karma, it's your actions. Which leads to the question of whether or not you are in control. The Demon is a part of you, the knowledge that he/she passes onto you is already known by you, but subconsciously. He/she merely brings it to the surface, into consciousness. Therefore the Demons characteristics are your characteristics, just unbridled. Your responsible for your own actions.
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