Greetings! It is of interest to note that the addition of salt to cold water creates a small magnetic field that, similar to magnetic recording tape, is able to be 'imprinted' or 'recorded' with your thoughts! Cold water (not necessarily ice water) holds this charge far better than warm/hot water. This effect is caused by ionic bonding between the salt and the H2O. Physics/chemistry...who'd thunk it?

That is very interesting Bym. I always wondered on the magickal property of cold water since it is used in consecrating/washing ritual tools also as a way to ward off possesion.

Since you mention that salt does things to the water, I am wondering about chlorinated tap water being better or worse and should one use bottled spring water?

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Just adding my $0.02 -

Here's a thought -

The holy water is actually created prior to the addition of the salt - generally one will have a vessel of pure water and a paten of pure salt. Each is exorcised individually saying something along the lines of -

"I exorcise thee, creature of water/salt, that thou may be free from all impurities" (A very simple adaptation from Agrippa).

In my opinion it is *this* stage that creates holy water.

When the salt and water are combined you are, in effect, combining elemental earth and water, just as you are combining fire and air when lighting incense.

Therefore, when one purifies, they are using Water and Earth, and when they consecrate they are using Fire and Air.

Just a thought.

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Todd

Okay this is something that I have in one of my books...its a bit sketchy because going by memory.

Take tree branches and burn down to ashes...the fire must NOT come from anything synthetic. Yu will either have to go native american on it OR light filter paper with the sun and a magnifing glass. Once yu have the ashes mix it in with rain water or water from a stream and boil for a while...filter water with filter paper and repeat 2 more times.

This was taken from the alchemy section of the book which I know NOTHING of...therefor I cant give any explanations as to why this or that.

Greetings! Technically Todd is correct when using the water in conjunction with the other elements in Elemental magic! Actually, running water is the best. Running water also dissapates static electricity too. The old tales tell of crossing moving water to escape 'witches' etc. (I discovered this as a youth when I ran afoul of a dark entity that was involved in a haunting) I've also heard about priests using rain water as lustral water which is then blessed to form Holy Water. The addition of salt helps keeping a 'charge' on the water. It can be omitted. The boiling of water with ashes will produce a weak solution of sodium hydroxide (lye) or, I guess, a hydrolized salt solution depending on the origin of the ashes. The crystalline structure of the salt may have alot to do with the magnetic fields produced as would the amount of the salt used. In the cleansing bath of some ceremonial rituals, sea water is used as well as the herb hyssop. Bardon claims that these form a 'fluid condenser' which will hold charges of energy in all its permuatations (depending on ingredients and usage). Suffice it to say you'll need water. Running water I've found, is best. Do Not Use Stagnant Water unless all else fails. That and your force of will/conviction will produce Holy Water. I take it we needn't go into the subject of projection of will and faith? Remember, in Magic(k) one must remain resourceful...when water can't be found, urine can be used!It comes from the body sterilized unless you are harboring an infection. I know, gross...but we, as humans (?), are spread across the globe, in all kinds of environs...make do! I'm starting to get faint from my rarified air up here and need to shut up now. I apologize! Peace. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/5.gif)

Some years ago, didn't a French scientist do experiments with
water that proved, [for him anyway] that water once contaminated
by any other product retained an element of that product no matter
how diluted it was, I believe he claimed water then had to have a type
of memory. Something which homoeopathy has always known of course.
he was rubbished in the usual way by his fellow scientists, and the subject
dropped out of sight.

If this were to have an element of truth, it could explain the `Holy Water'
effect, enough anedotal evidence has been produced over the centurys
on the healing qualities of holy or blessed water.

May be that `intent' has the same effect. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wizard.gif)

I was told by a priest that if you want to collect your own holy water that you needed to go to a place where two streams come together. Fill one bottle from one side of the stream, fill yet another from the other side, and fill one from where the two come together.

Take all three bottles (or whatever containers you used) home or wherever your ritual space is and just do a basic ritual and say something basic like "I excerise thee, O creature of water, ect..." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mf_popeanim.gif)

Cheers,

Benjamin
Student at SAE World HQ
http://www.sae.edu
Australia

This post has been edited by benrachor: Jun 23 2006, 07:33 PM

I actually drove out into the woods and found a place and collected my own as mentioned above. I then had a local priest at a church bless my water, I had (3) large 5 gallon buckets full. In total I had about 15 gals of Holy Water. I also had this priest bless some rocks I brounght back from the woods as well. I would put the rocks around my circle when I formed it, and used the holy water to sprinkle around as well.

Cheers,

Benjamin
Student at SAE World HQ
http://www.sae.edu
Australia

Does it make a difference as to the historical significance or location of the water? For example, I have holy water from the Jordan river. Can the source affect the potency either? Just food for thought (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wandwizard.gif)

Yes! I would boil the water as I should imagine it is extremely potent at present. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/922.gif)

Probably the source of the water does affect the efficacy, but in this instance, through the collective mind of the millenium of believers of the "power of the water of River Jordan". That does not mean to say that it is not powerful water. I know for a fact that in our Cathedral the Priest or whoever was responsible for topping up the holy water font, used tap water and then blessed it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evil.gif)


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I'm interested in how water can be infused with intentions. There are many books about "message's in water" and when different words or intentions are focussed on the water the pattern and design of the water changes. So as in holy water, I do suppose the energies are sent into the water in a similar fashion by whoever is invoking the higher energies. Also, the water in places may hold/carry the energies of consciousness from the surrounding people's "vibes" as in a city, etc., according to information I've read online about messages in water.

I have done reiki on my own water before drinking.

Here's a link to just one site about these messages in water.

http://www.wellnessgoods.com/messages.asp

I believe we are all able to connect to a higher power and bless our own water rather than having to go to a priest or other person of various faiths or external source to "charge" the water with positive energy.

This post has been edited by SunAum Peace: Jul 13 2006, 11:20 PM

I saw a very interesting documentry on quantum physics. In the documentry they should water molecules blessed by a buddhist priest. The molecules resembled snowflakes when looked under the microscope. On another cup of water a researcher taped sayings to the cups of water. Things like "im going to #@^%* kill you". The molecules were all dispersed discolored and messed up as opposed to regular water molecules.

The documentry is caled "what the bleep do we know' I'm pretty sure it can be rented at blockbuster or any large video store.

I have that! I should watch it considering ive only seen part of it

I know one way of maikng holy water...
Fill a cup with rainwater. Take a pinch of salt and say, I bless you in the name of the earth, and the divine. then trow it in the water. Burn down a stick of incense, and say I bless you in the name of air, and the divine. Puy it into the water. Light a candle, and drip the wax in saying, I bless you in the name of fire, and the divine.

place your hand over the mixture and say:
In the Salt of the eternal wisdom
Blessed be thou
In the water of preperation
Blessed be thou
In the ash which the new earth springeth
Blessed be thou
In the flam of inspiration
Blessed be thou

Be all things be accomplished through the ages,
SO MOTE IT BE!

P.S. I found that is helps if you put a crystal in it and leave it outside for the full moon...then it is charged double! lol.

I believe there are also certain springs that have healing properties. On top of my head is Lourdes France.

I found this article: http://witcombe.sbc.edu/sacredplaces/lourdes.html

LOURDES, FRANCE

In 1858, a fourteen-year-old peasant girl named Bernadette Soubirous had a series of eighteen visions of the Virgin Mary who appeared in a niche in the grotto of Massabielle near Lourdes, a village on the Gave de Pau river in the foothills of the Pyrenees in southern France. The first apparition occurred on 11 February 1858.

During her ninth apparition, on 25 February, Bernadette claimed to have been directed to a spring that had hitherto not existed in the grotto. Its discovery by Bernadette, witnessed by hundreds of onlookers, was eventually declared miraculous. Later studies have shown that the water is pure and contains chlorides of soda, lime and magnesia, bicarbonates of lime and magnesia, silicates of lime and aluminium, oxide of iron, sulphate of soda, phosphate, and organic matter. Otherwise, it is believed to contain no therapeutic ingredients.


The Miraculous Spring in the Grotto at Lourdes
Photograph © Daniel Masson

Subsequently, however, the water was claimed to be capable of healing the sick and lame. Of the many thousands of pilgrims who visit Lourdes every year, some claim to be have been miraculously healed. It is estimated that the spring has produced 27,000 gallons of water each week since it first emerged during Bernadette's visions.

My question is probably the most ignorant on the matter, but I did not know where else to post it, so here it goes...

How does Holy Water work exactly? What about Holy Water makes it work? Or is it meant to store energy just as crystals do?

I ask because I have never come across much information in the occult about Holy Water, only some biblical references.

Disregard that question, I found out why Water works so well against etheric matter, just as metal and esp. silver do.