I have a question. If people got so good at making psi balls and manipulating the energy of the psi ball, then could the person (later on the road with a lot of practice) make like a kamehameha attack on DBZ? (Dragon Ball Z) I'm sure not everyone knows what that is, so here is what I'm talking about. After practicing the psi ball a while, could someone make a stream of energy with it, to where people would be able to feel and see it? Imagine this from your hands. 0----------
Where the 0 is your body and the lines are the "stream" of energy. Could someone do it like that after a lot of practice? And I wonder the other "fighting" stuff you could do the psi ball! Like Zahaqiel wondered what would happen if you direct your psi to your fist and punch someone with it. I do too. Please share what you think about this. I cannot make psi balls yet, but when I do I would like to try this. (And if your having trouble visualizing what I am talking about, about the stream of energy, look at my avatar.) One last thing. What if you could make a force-field out of your psi against physcic attacks and stuff?
Thanks,
Chaos_mage

This post has been edited by chaos_mage4: Jun 20 2005, 11:01 AM

You can do all those things.... but the amount of POWER behind them depends on your inner strenght.... Psi balls are more along the lines psi contructs... so they can do a varity of things....

I like dragon ball z, but the energy those guys put out, its a bit over the top.
how many megawatts of energy do you think they generate to blow up things like that. they can create craters the size of new York, thats a huge amount of energy generated in a small time. To create energy to blow something small up like a small wall even requires energy in incredible amounts. Perhaps you could someday find energy enough to blow up a small single strawberry, and then even it would leave you tired and drained.

It may be theoretically possible, but physically you will have a hard time finding an energy source to power your attacks.

Dragon ball z is entertainment, lets just leave it at that. Dreaming of such things will only get you side-tracked.

The following I'm about to post may not sound like a psi or related at first, but I think it has some kind of relation that may be usefull to share.

I'll try to make this short but I have to tell a bit of background first which "may" help you understand what I'm trying to explain (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I was actively pursuing martial art since I was 14 and was a bit obsessed with it until my early 20's which naturally make me able to do some impressive physical feats with weapons or empty handed. I studied wing chun, karate, taekwondo, muay thai, jeet kune do, wushu, kali, etc until I am able to invent my own style of streetfighting. I am "famous" within my sparring circle for my lightning fast punches and for scoring the largest amount of hits. I simply "drum away" my points. That's my background for the following story.

About 6 years ago I was in Bali for holiday with my gf, we went to Time Zone where there's this punching machine. The one with the laughing skull you probably have seen. You put on the glove and punch the pad where it will measure your punching power. Back then, I usually come to Time Zone only to experiment with my punches (sometimes when there's no guard I'll even side kick it lol!
My "normal" punches has an average weight of 120 kg.

That time, I used a different punching technique I "invented" for my system of rolls of punches. It's a mix method of what I've found to work very well which produces the fastest and most powerful punch a person can deliver in the shortest amount of time. It's similar to Bruce Lee's one inch punch (probably is a version of it). So -without the glove - I simply make a stance in front of the punching machine, take a few seconds to relax, put my punching hand in front and close to my side, control my breathing and then finally "snap" my fist to the pad - in a one single concentrated power of my focused energy from twist of my hip, back, shoulder + mind focus on the target/pad. It's simply like a snap. It's like I gathered in all powers in my body and blast them into that one punch. The distance from my fist to the target is only about 30cm. I don't pull my hand/shoulder backward when I launched it either and my body always in a perfect balance before and after launching it.

The result? about 295 kg score for each 3 tries. That's more than double my normal physical punches!

So I think when implemented and related into chi ball burst you asked, the key here I think is similar to what I've experimented: a calmed focus, controlled outburst of concentrated power with the "perfect" technique (it took me years of "obsession" to advance my techniques)

Thanks for the replies, and I agree that I would get sidetracked, but I was curious. Good story Kinjo, and no I haven't heard of that laughing skull thing. It would be cool to get one though!
Thanks,
Chaos_mage4

Greetings!
I have seen a Tai Chi master knock people over from a distance of over 15 feet by using directed energy! In Bardons 'Initiation into Hermetics' there is a section dealing with the manipulation of the electric/magnetic 'fluids' to cause physical responses like explosions. It all takes time, study and PRACTICE! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Nice story Kinjo...very impressive! Someday I'd like you to meet my friend Maas, you'd both get on famously!

This post has been edited by bym: Jun 20 2005, 04:23 PM

Oh, that would have been cool to have seen that, him knock people over with it. But, it could come in handy one day. i.e. Someone is chasing you and you knock them over and then you make a break for it.
Thanks,
Chaos_mage4 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wizard.gif)

yeah, thats more likely than blasting people to little bits.

Much is possible, much can be done.

I've read up on jing techniques (although not much). It's sort of like condensed ki, and where ki can alter the body's harmonies, jing can physically interact with objects (so you'd get that blast effect you were looking for - only you wouldn't see the attack, but meh).

If you know how to focus ki (similar to Kinjo's story, but individual techniques can vary), then flow ki down your arm while block off the flow at the wrist (bending palm 90 degrees to arm) - basically making your arm a tied off ki-hose. As it fills up, visualise the ki being drawn into the bones of your arm, and then the bones shrinking and compacting the ki. Once you have the condensed ki with enough pressure behind it, release your wrist, and see what happens.

I am not that experienced yet, but it would be interesting to see what would happen with that.
-Chaos_mage4

I always thought psi balls were more just a single type of construct, and that if you programmed a construct to go and bowl someone over, with the right amout of psi energy within, that you could. I highly doubt you would need to worry about DBZ energy blasts but im not sure if you could make it visible to others. with enough practice, however, you can make it visible to yourself.

Nothing is possible everything is permited. I think this one phrase sums up what i believe about your post. Everything you can dream of is possible. However it could take lots of lifetimes to accomplish. Since I have been practicing telekinesis I can make my energy take a solidified form. I dont know if this will help you any but I tried.

Forgive me...I seem to have uncovered a rather significant gap in my oesoteric world view. What is this 'Dragon Ball Z'? It sounds like a transliteration from some Eastern technique, but the interpolation of the Western letter Z is perplexing me.

Chaos Mage 4, I must confess to being rather troubled by your last post. Perhaps you would consider investing in a personal attack alarm? (I assume that your being regularly chased by people who mean you harm is not as a result of any deliberate criminal activity on your part...)

What? You don't watch weekend cartoons? *laugh* Dragon Ball Z is a cartoon show on TV that was/is popular with a wide range of ages... It is a Japanese anime' style cartoon. Its significance with esoterica is very occult......... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I would just like to mention one general point.

Whenever you are manipulating your Chi you must exercise caution both
for yourself as well as anyone else you are working with.

Never end a Chi session without recovering lost Chi and balancing it within your
system. Chi travels along pathways though the body just like blood, when you are
pooling your Chi or focusing it to a particular location or purpose you must afterwards return it to its original state and location.

Physically rubbing the body will help to smooth the Chi back into its original
pathways, perhaps ask your partner for a quick back rub, and then give one to your partner in return. It sounds silly, but if you lack the maturity and seriousness to
do this then perhaps you should not be trying to manipulate Chi.

If you practise alone you can smooth down your own Chi, start with the belly and
rub upwards into the chest, then rub downwards to your lower abdomen then continue to your upper thighs and then calfs. Then rub your shoulders down to your finger tips. When you are finished meditate while standing upright with your arms at your sides for 2 minutes. After meditating clap your hands together a few times and your Chi should now be flowing and functioning effectively.

Your Chi is part of your life force, so please be careful. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Now having said that all that let me also say: yes! Chi can be used to move people.
I've pushed people over without physically touching them. I've even knocked people
down to the ground. I've manipulated people while I've been hiding in the bush so that they walk where I direct them ..without them knowing it of course.

My instructor almost made a student walk off a cliff once.. he stoped at the last moment. The student said he actually FELT the instructor grab him with Chi and force him to stop walking forward.

One more thing.. the more powerful and proficient you become at using your
Chi the more you will realise how similar it is to "The Force" from Starwars.

Sounds insane, but its true.

I can honestly say "yes, its true" from personal experience.

It is always the most ridiculous sounding posts at first. Then for some reason they end up with someone who can push you over a cliff, literaly.

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Psi is all around us and I am sure it its at least POSSIBLE to do DBZ type stuff but EXTREMELY unlikely. Unfourtunatley the human race has just begun to actually take psi seriously and I believe it will take many many many generations before we even begin to be able to knock over a building. And as for the Star Wars things I agree with you, having the power to move things with out touching it and having psychic premonitions have all been proven. The only thing I would disagree with is with the sith lords ability to shoot lighting out of there hands. Like I said it's at least POSSIBLE but not likely. I do how ever use that visualization in my psi practices and it actually works quite well.

Anyway I hope this helps (IMG:style_emoticons/default/banana.gif)

Once an ex gf of mine knowing I practiced Tai Chi was kind enough to record a show on the discovery channel in which footage of an older master was taken of him shooting jing with enough power to be seen, he shot it at a statue, which seemed to absorb it. Having studied Chi and Jing, and knowing of the diffrent types of power that have been noted by the tai chi masters (not that I've accomplished any feat of this capacity myself) I believe it was his intention to be non destructive, but it showed me that if nothing else, that manifistation of our Chi to Jing to the power of actual visual manifistation in a single life time is possible. I do firmly believe that as soon as we believe anything to be impossible we inherintly limit ourself.
†Christopher Raven†

i know this seems a bit over the top but if some one put enough energy into it would they be able to transform like the dbz people do? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fie.gif)

The question becomes, "What happens to a body that condenses and stores a significant amount of energy, then releases that energy all at once?"

You will probably not go super saijin.

However, when I am in any sort of confrontation, gathering and projecting that energy is the first thing I do. In the initial practice, my 'classmates' as it were, all experimented with this sort of thing. The presence of the individual suddenly becomes more real, and seems to attract all of one's attention. The extreme level of energy pouring into the atmosphere from the individual can easily warp one's physical perception of them, enough that they look menacing, bigger, sometimes posessed of an unearthly attractiveness depending on the purpose...

So, while you may not have a glowing aura of fire, long blonde hair, and a doubled body mass, you can certainly suddenly 'transform' yourself in a similar, but perceptively based, manner.

When you encounter a person who's *cough* "Power level" is extremely high, you may find that they easily hold attention. Power is a magnet for the faculty of attention. They may seem somehow incredible for no reason, you simply feel that they must somehow be more than normal. We take for granted the actions which we do that release that energy and deprive us of our own power - nothing overly esoteric or 'magickal' about it in the general sense of the word (Personally I see everything as magick, I'm impressed by atoms...) Usually they consist of fear, doubt, hubris, and lack of compassion...

peace

Chaos. I am not sure exactly what a psi ball is. However I do know of a long distance healing technique in which healing energy is compacted into a ball and then sent to the person in need. It might not be the same way exactly that Veegeta or Goku would do it but it is kinda close. I have always liked that cartoon. As for anything like their fighting technique you could actually do that stuff in astral combat. The physical laws of the astral world are much less limiting than they are here.

It seems like there is more to the magick world than I thought! I never thought that I'd encounter a post like this, though of course I've thought about it, though I'd like to say that this is very interesting. Can anyone direct me to a good guide on psi-balls? I'm interested into what goes into creating one of these...

Forceflow: www.psipog.net

They have a good guide to work their with...

As for turning Super Saijin I have one such technique that may work, depending on the energy...

*Note!* I AM NOT RESPONCIBLE FOR ANY INJURIES OR FATALITIES THAT THIS MAY OCCURE!!! THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR THE UNCOMMON PRINCIPLE OF "COMMON SENSE"!!!

Required: Knowledge about Kundalini Releases, Psiballs, and Aruas

Kundalini Rage:
1. Create a psiball
2. Focus on the divine energy that is involved in the Kundalini Release
3. Focus on any and all emotions that trigger outburst of power (angry, rage, hate, etc.) and put them in the psi ball...
4. Send the psiball above your head, then down your crown chakra and following down your spine to your Kundalini Reserve (between the anus and the groin)
5. Allow the energies to mix there..
6. When the energies fully mix, then have the psiball travel up your spine and out of your body...
7. Then, infuse the psiball with the power in your arua...
8. Allow the psiball/ Kundalini Energy to remix with your core energies...
9. Contiune magickal practices...

Be forewarned, the energies in this usually do not mix well, nor do they blend well together... There is a lot of energy in this BUT AS WELL AS ITS SHARE OF HAZORDS!!!

Just be careful guys and gals... And do take care...

Is this also called "Energy Manipulation"? What kinds are there? How can one learn how to use them?

Ok my friend, dont get me wrong I think everyone of us has asked or at least pondered this question, yes I think its possible I think ANYTHING is possible....Do I think its likely that humans well be able to do it in our generation? NO. I mean, think of the part of our brain that lets us perform psionic phenomenon like you would a muscle......when you dont use it it loses power and mass...if any of you have ever had a cast on your arm you be able to relate to that...I remember when they took my cast off and I screamed cuz one of my arms were have the size of the other...lol, and that was only after 3 weeks...well now think, if 3 weeks of non usage of a muscle can do that imagine GENERATIONS of non usage, it is a struggle to get a simple thing such as a piece of paper to move or a pencil...but I will not discourage you from trying...shoot, if I ever see you on tv as the true super sayian I'd be pretty happy lol. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/respect.gif)

Infact i came upon a video that is rather incredible. A Chinese grandmaster uses Psi Energy to throw a man 15 - 20 feet away.

here's the link:


http://youtube.com/watch?v=f89uwL3dxRY

Hi all, newbie here and my first post, just came across this post on psi balls, can you make these balls using elements, fire water etc , or are you visulising maybe pure white energy, also is this maybe a psi ball punch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQdJf-rTVFo

Mark

Honestly mark, it -may- be real, but truth be told, you just can't trust anything off the internet. So until someone knocks me out without touching me, I will remain alittle skeptic on the "PsiPunch."

It makes good viewing clockkeeper, im also new to this subject so maybe alittle niave, but having said that if is possible to conjure up demons and spirits, the punch looks possible.
Mark