So on my blog I wrote down how I had ordered a human skull for a working that I'm doing, and Kinj said how he wanted someone to post a topic on the use of human bones, so, I guess that would be me. Does anyone here use human bones in their work? If so, how? I use ground up human bone in my goofer dust recipe, and I know other people try to contact the spirit of that certain bone in Necromancy. In Candomble I've seen skulls used to carry out curses. Bones are VERY potent in works that have to do with affecting the human body. Who else uses human bones, and how do you use them in your work?

.::Sempre Bene::..::Chris::.
-Fiat Lux

A bit morbid? Toughen up! I've also heard of divination using human bones, but they'd have to be of different gender, and ages. I haven't been able to find anything asside from chicken bone divination, but I'm still looking.

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-Fiat Lux

Although Im sorry i cant help you much, Im also interested in bones and their use (especially skulls) I was wondering if you could tell me what site you ordered your human skull, Ive been looking for one recently.

The only thing ive heard about using a human skull was an indian spell for invisibility.

Well, I have no intention of using my skull for invisibility. Aha. Anyway, search yahoo for "Tibetan treasures human skulls", I got mine from tibetan treasures Ebay store. The ones you can buy straight are expensive, but the ones you can bid on close at fairly low prices (I got mine for 150 bucks). Skulls unlimited is another place, but they're expensive there.

.::Sempre Bene::..::Chris::.
-Fiat Lux

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Saw this little page on skulls. Wont say much else, just check it out ;-).
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/6581/chronos28.html

This post has been edited by SangueDiNapoli: Jul 10 2006, 07:59 PM

http://www.khandro.net/ritual_skull.htm

Another link I found on bones, and skulls. I whipped up some new goofer dust last night with some ground up bones to use on the people living upstairs, since they like to make noise. Around 4 in the mornign I snuck upstairs and sprinkled it in front of their door. I have to say, it worked like a charm. I saw the lady a few mintes ago and she looks horrible. Sweaty, sick, she bruised her leg going back up to her place, and since cranky, everyone else is suffering. Much better with the bones in, let me tell you. lol. You can also use bones with some healing powder, and holy water to dress up a candle, if someone is having pains, or is sore, etc. I spoke with a Santeria practitioner I know in florida, and she was telling me that her godparents would write down the curse on a peice of paper, spill the blood of a black chicken on it, crumple it up, put it in one of the sockets of the skulls, and burn the skull as a sacrifice to the Orisha (Or ancestors), for them to carry out the curse. I've also heard of purifying, and keeping a skull as a way to invade someone's dreams.

.::Sempre Bene::..::Chris::.
-Fiat Lux

Wow...You really CAN buy anything on ebay. Here I thought virginity was the oddest thing sold, but this sure beats it:D

lmao! Trust me, I was just as suprised as you. They now have an entire skeleton up for sale. Well, that was about two days ago when I checked. probably already sold.

.::Sempre bene::..::Chris::.
-Fiat Lux

Bones, human or animal, retain energy very very well. One would be ideal to house a spirit such as a powerful servitor that you want to keep around or even better an ancestor spirit.

True. But one should take caution to try to cleanse whatever bones you have, try to separate it from any spirit that's attatched to it before using them for anything. Unless, ofcourse, Necromancy is your cup of tea (IMG:style_emoticons/default/diablo.gif) .

.::Sempre Bene::..::Chris::.
-Fiat Lux

Recent posts and links on where to buy skull is deleted for being off topic.

Hi,
I don't mean for this to be off topic but...
When shopping online and you come across "bone athame" or "bone rune set" for example and they never specify where or what the supposedly real bone came from.
- Is it a commonly known fact that commercial items advertised to be made from bone are made from a certain animal or are marketers being shady?
-Would you recommend the use of bone tools bought online or would you go with just the actual bone? (well I guess you're still buying it online lol)

Hope that's not confusing or off topic

Well, I have no clue from what animals they would be from, but bones are bones. No matter if they're from a human, or a chicken. They still belonged to a living thing. As for buying bone tools , or using a plane bone...It depends on the tool. If it's a wand, just buy a bone, and decorate it. If it's something like an Athame, then, unless you know someone who can turn a bone into a blade, I suggest you just buy a bone athame already made. Like Ashnook said, bones retain energy very well, so you can charge it when you get it.

.::Sempre Bene::..::Chris::.
-Fiat Lux

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol_2.gif) Where to buy bones , for magical purposes, is off topic on a thread discussing human bones!? OMG! What a site. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol_2.gif) You have no clue what the hell you're doing do you? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/baby.gif)

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I already posted two sources. If you insist on giving negative opinions of which no one really gives two shits to hear, instead of asking why it was deleted, then don't post.

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Chris, refrain from making comments like this and use the report (!) button instead. ~Kinjo

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"The Bone Game
By the Silver Circle

This games is known by Western North American Indians, as the 'Stick Game', the 'hand game' or the Bone Game. Shamanistic power and seeing are utilized in this game. It may be played by only two individuals, but most commonly, there are two opposing teams of at least sic members each. In the game, the teams take turns attempting to 'see' the location of a bone or bones hidden by the opposing team.

A person designated as the 'see-er' or 'pointer' tries to locate the marked bone within the hands of the opposing team, while the opposing team tries to prevent the person from seeing the hidden bone.

Before beginning the game, the teams should select a first 'see-er' and back-up 'see-ers' should the first not be successful. Next 'hiders' and back-up 'hiders' should be selected. It is a good idea also to appoint a referee to ensure all of the rules are adhered to and to keep tract of the scoring process.

Before the game begins, team members may decide to sing their power songs to help awaken their guardians, however, once the actual game begins, no talking or singing is not allowed between team members. Non-verbal communication must be used to indicate when someone is volunteering to be a new see-er or hider.

See-ers often work with their eyes closed. Sometimes a see-er may even turn his back on the opposing team, in order to see more clearly. Experience is the best teacher to find out which way you see best.

Team members must also decide on how they can help the seeing process. For example, all the members might touch bodies, leading to the see-er, to create a cone of power. The team that is hiding, must disrupt the seeing process, by singing, shouting, dancing or whatever else they wish to do to disrupt the see-er.

When both teams are ready to play, they line up facing each other, about four feet apart. A line should be indicated between the teams. If indoors, this can be a cord, or lighted candles. It is against the rules for any part of a team member's body, to cross the line. If this occurs, a counter is awarded to the opposing team.

Any object can be used as counters - from feathers to sticks. Each team has three or four counters, and this is placed inside the line in front of the team. The object of the game is to win all the counters. A team has to win not only the opposing teams counters, but also it's own.

Two bones or sticks are used. These must be as much alike each other as possible. Chicken wish-bones are good for this. Wrap a black thread or string around one bone. This is the bone that the see-er must pick out.

When the game begins, the hider must turn his back on the opposing team and shuffle the bones around in his hands. When he is done, he should turn back to face the opposing team, and stick out both of his hands in front of him. His team then starts a disruptive process to prevent the other team from seeing clearly. When the hider is ready, the referee should begin beating a drum.

The seeing team remains quite, and concentrates on providing a shield of tranquility around the see-er, and sends him power to help his seeing. The see-er must pick out the marked bone in the hiders hand. This is done by the see-er pointing to one of the hiders hands.

If the see-er is correct, the team wins one of the opposing teams counters. If the see-er is wrong, his team looses a turn, but does not surrender a counter to the opposing team. In other words, counters can only be won by successful seeing, not unsuccessful seeing."

aye, human bones can be very useful for the art of necromancy. Now tell me, i ne'er thought baout this but is't a crime to rob graves and take the human bones out for magickal use? I've been highly considering doing thus.

-Why would you do this? Would you like someone, without your consent before dieing, to rob your grave? You can buy bones legaly on many web sites. Yes, graverobbing is a crime, it should be obvious. You better make sure if you do go through with such a thing, that no one sees your face, because, if it were one of my family members, or friends you were graverobbing from, I would hunt you down. Stealing from the dead isn't going to give you any points with any high & mighty (In their heads) magicians & they wont be extra 'special'. You can buy small human bones for less than 20 bucks.

.::Sempre Bene::..::Chris::.
-Fiat Lux

This post has been edited by GaiusOctavian: Sep 25 2006, 09:43 PM

I work with human bones quite a bit. I work with the dead that owns the bones, as uposed to just using the bone as a spell component. I also make necklaces out of the human bones, so I can sort of take the person along with me for a specific magical task, some graveyard work or help with my tarot readings. Not all bones contain a lot of presence, also you have to get a bone that is owned by a dead that actually wants to work with you, not all of them do. Then there are various processes to strengthen the dead. Fortunatly these aren't generally known, or dead folks who donate their bones to science would be pestered to no end, and be errand boys for magicians lol.

You can buy human bones legally. However from what I hear ebay no longer sells human remains. If you are going to go pestering the dead by the use of bones, I recommend buying from a site where you can see the bones, or get them in person, then you know which ones you would be the most in tune with (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif). I have to say that using them to house a different spirit, or as a spell component is kind of rude as that bone is attached to the person who's bone it is, and vice versa. I also would like to learn about human bone divination. I have been given some hinters, but they aren't quite what feels right for me yet. I am thinking specifically about having the deads themselves help with the divination, and having a number of bones. However, just because they are dead doesn't mean they are any better at seeing the future usually.... Perhaps based around the chicken bone divination a bit. Where might I find more information about chicken bone divination?

Athena

I'd love to, but it's rather cost-prohibitive for me. I've found models work just as well though.

I have a rabbit skull on my altar though, a kid I used to babysit when I was a teenager was out hunting w/his grandfather, found it, and brought it back to me. I dunno, I'm not a rabbit person but it seems to resonate well with me, probably because most of my gods are Egyptian and have the animal heads.

Even if human bones weren't cost prohibitive, I'd still have to work really hard to use a skull with a straight face and not recite Hamlet, Act V, scene I. "Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio. He was a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy..." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I know I'll get flamed ad infinitum for this, but.......

Isn't this sort of unethical? Would you like it if somebody got your skull from ebay and used it for sorcery? Again no offense, but...

This post has been edited by r9999: Nov 23 2006, 08:47 PM

I agree with you. On the other hand, I'm planning to give my skull to someone in case I die. (seriously).

Actually GaiusOctavian, that Bone Game first came from Harner's The Way of the Shaman . . . just to give props.

I've never used human bones, but I have used animal's . . . though only those that I've found (been "given"); turtle, deer, bear.
As animal spirit contacts, ancesteral objects, and "spell" conponents for deep-past and Earth. They've been very effective.
(a bit of divination attempt with a turtle shell too . . . playing with the I Ching origin idea . . . but nothing really came from that because I was unwilling to destory the shell just for a practice reading lol)
Though, for necromancy, I can imagine that human bones would be particularly useful.

I wonder if for divination ("throwing the bones"), if animal bones would be as acceptable as human . . . or is that type of divination actually a form of (anthro) necromancy?

This post has been edited by palindroem: Nov 24 2006, 07:26 AM

A lot of cultures use sheep or camel knucklebones for divination. I don't know much beyond that, unfortunately.

There's a strain of African black magic that is essentially a form of necromancy. I forget exactly what it's called, but it's also practised a lot in Central and South America almost as an adjunct to Santeria, even though the two come from different sources. I want to say "Palo Mayombe" but I'm not sure if that's correct. Basically they select a human skeleton from a graveyard, place it in a casket filled with earth, and feed it. Then the spirit that was the original owner of the bones can act as a familiar/servitor.

I could be wrong, though, so don't quote me on this...

I use animal bones as the physical anchor for servitors. Havn't tried human bones yet, but I'll get around to it eventually...

That's "candomble" and I have practised some of it (never using bones or other things like that). Very very serious stuff so be careful- I'm serious. The person who taught me some of this died of cancer last year after falling in poverty and having two kids die before her in accidents. I'm planning to donate my body for research, though I'm afraid of some other stuff however (it being used for research on things such as cloning and other unethical things- who knows). Candomble is equated with Satanism in South America, and it's all about posession and consulting the spirits. You serve as a medium, you offer sacrifices (not human obviously), you use old mysticism coming from of course Africa. It comes from Babylon, all the way back. The names of pagan deities are even the same

Iemenjar=Ishtar

Oxala=Baal

annunaki in general= exus or more commonly orixas.Disembodied spirits, no distinction between human and demon/angel.


Candomble in it's Quimbanda version is very secretive and rarely taught to outsiders, in South America people who practice candomble/Umbanda are regarded as "Macumbeiros" (that's Voodoo practitioners with a negative intonation), and are usually regarded as inferior socially. Still, in Brazil for instance, the speaker of the house consults a "Mae de Santo" (that's a sort of pagan priestess, they are almost all women though men have no restrictions to it- sort of confirms that stuff on women being prone to witchraft, no offense there).

This post has been edited by r9999: Nov 24 2006, 10:42 PM

Oddly, some of African religion has ben veneered with Roman Catholicism. The priests have heart attacks all the time in S.America when they see their flock ocasionally giving tributes to Mary as "Iemenjar" so they can fit in with others. It's funny actually. As a kid I used to think "Hey, who the hell is that figure using a blue cape those guys are worshipping by throwing flower reefs into the sea? That's no mary!!". Lol ! Also odd that a white boy such as myself has more knowledge of Africa's old religions than most American blacks. Also, I'm actually interested alot in the "Quimbanda" facet of Candoble (two facets- Umbanda and Quimbanda) since my knowledge is superficial Umbanda at best. Quimbanda is regarded as the Satanism of Candomble and is very hard to find somebody who can teach you (though if you look in the right places plenty of Umbanda people, also Kardecists, ie: people who follow Allan Kardec's teachings but mixed with this African religion). Also, this is really interesting- just like in Babylon, Satan (Enki or exu- exus/orixas is a broad term for disembodied spirits which are presumed human or otherwise, exu means betrayer of his people to be specific though) is not a "bad guy" but more of somebody not on right terms with "the lord" (here Oxala which unfortunately has become correlated with Jehovah and or Jesus Christ). He is said to speak with his followers as a handsome man who loves cigars, fine wines, and women (!)

This post has been edited by r9999: Nov 24 2006, 10:42 PM

Hello. Depending upon the working, it is not a good idea to use just any old bone let alone skull of a deceased person. Most real Necromancers and Nigromancers tend to use bones of people they know the names of. That way you can be safe from the angry Spirit of the deceased from coming back onto you.

There are deserte cemeteries where you can find a name marker and then dig up to your heart's content. Make sure you wash and cleanse the skull before using it and if you plan on keeping it, you should have a ceremony performed over it to ensure that the owner of that skull is willing to work for you.

Powdered bone is excellent to work with however I only buy mine from a bonafide Palero that I happen to know personally. I don't trust the stuff you find in botanicas any more than I trust them to give me real Graveyard Dirt besides which like everything in the ATR, there are correct and incorrect procedures one has to perform to get such items.

Most of the crap you read online about getting dirt from graves is useless BS and can get you the enmity of a pisssed off Spirit. It's just some worthless 'Hoodoo lore' that is incomplete. It's far better to make the acqaintance of a real Palero/Palera or barring that one who practices Esperitisimo who would have need for said product. If we were in Europe, there are some old lodges there that are dedicatd to the art and practice of Necromancy that could accomodate in this area.

But generally bones bought from supply houses have very little ashe when compared to getting your own.

Have any of you uever used the remains of a person - as in cremated ashes - for any sorts of workings?

What about animal skulls and bones? Bears' claws? Shark's teeth? Dinosaur parts?

All the Best,

In Tibetan Tantric Magick human bones are symbolic of Impermanence. Tibetan Buddhists put the bodies on hilltops (funeral) and let vultures eat their loved ones. Why? Because the physical body is deemed to be a complete illusion. To symbolize this, many tools in Tibetan Buddhism are human bones, including two pieces I have -- one, an oversized bone-handled OM MANI PADME HUM prayer wheel I use as a wand. The idea is the pratitioner must come to realize physical bones represent only the illusion of real life, that real life is in other planes of existence, and bones have no inherent power or tangible reality. However, the symbolism is powerful and the tool, although an illusion, connects with the other planes because the subconscious recognizes the nature of the universe at a true mind level.

I've never felt the human bone handle to be in any way unclean. (No Tibetan cares whether their bones are used this way after death. Since we believe we've been reborn countless times, the physical world (illusory) bones we leave behind (times thousands if you believe in rebirth) are nothing of value, because we've left behind so many skeletons. Some of the most beautiful Tibetan artifacts are made partially from human bone.

In our country(philippines) witches and healers use the human skull to get a spirit to teach them charms, spells and hexes. you should check out my post called "witchcraft in our country"

ive got bones but does anyone want to buy them email me at jlxsolutions(at)yahoo(dot)com may take a while for me to reply since my own internet just got shut down and also i have to find a new appartment since i got evicted..just tell me what you would be ready to pay and how to send and i,ll fix it