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| Grab |
 Jul 14 2006, 09:16 PM
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QUOTE(Cornelius @ Jun 9 2006, 09:00 PM)  Planet: Saturn Why Saturn? Gremory is a Duke, and therefore should be a Venus spirit. QUOTE Mantra:
Gomory - Goom - Kultoy
Invite her to come with:
Kullotoy Goom Ardat Kum Kum Kum Where did you get this, and how does one use it? QUOTE Corneius' Quiz:
Search the Link with... GOMORRAH ! Finally someone more than ME who makes this connection! :-)
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"I just came here to get laid, and all I got was this lousy Great Work"
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| stevekent |
Jul 19 2006, 12:20 PM
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QUOTE(Seraphim @ Jul 17 2006, 09:24 PM) Hi all,
Alright, well I have never worked with Gremory. But you mentioned wanting 'to bring someone to you'. If you mean romantically, then try Hagith. I don't work too much with Goetia as I find it to be a bit 'unfinished', so I am pretty sure Hagith is goetic. But if you do work with her, be careful of how you do so. When asking for her assistance in bringing somebody to you, word the request very carefully. She tends to give the magician EXACTLY what he asks for.
Good luck Hi Seraphim, Thank you for the information, please can you provide more information if possible ? Warmest Regards, Stevekent |
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| Nosotro Tehuti |
Jul 19 2006, 02:49 PM
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Hey stevekent,
Sure. You see the Goetic spirits have no concern for human emotions, or more importantly, human morality. When you ask for something and they agree, it means they're going to give you exactly what you wanted in the easiest way possible. Now, this is an extreme example, but it will illustrate my meaning.
Say you evoke a goetic because you need a large sum of money really quickly. Well, the spirit agrees to help. The next day your mother is killed in a car crash and you find out she had a huge insurance policy. You get your money.
Like I said, that's an extreme example and one not likely to occur. But when working with entities like the goetics, one has to be very careful. It's not they are evil, they just don't recognize any difference between good and bad, as we do. But don't let me discourage you from working with them. They can be very helpful if the rituals are done right.
blessed be.
P.S, don't worry too much about the proper directions and times. These spirits exist on the astral plane or otherwise. Those instructions on the proper direction, moon phase etc... are solely for the magicians benefit. I always just evoked them whenever i needed to .
Blessed be.
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ILAT ENKI, IMHAS INA LIBBU INE SU'ATI AMELNAKRU MANNU EMU SHU GUSHTUKUL ELI INA DINGIR!
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| Nosotro Tehuti |
Jul 19 2006, 06:56 PM
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Stevekent,
Yeah, Amon can force them to, but I strongly recommend you not do so. But that is my opinion. Forcing someone to have romantic interest in you is generally considered black magick. This is your choice of course, though. As for assuring that Amon does comes to you, I can't really offer much. It depends mostly on your level of power and ability. Generally if the incantations are done correctly and with strong intent, the spirit will come. As for you being able to percieve him, that's another matter. You said you just started in Goetia, but have ever done evocation of another kind?
If not then you probably wont see or hear the spirit too well, unless your experienced in skrying or astral travel. And not to sound like a jerk bro, but I do advise against forcing someone
to be attracted to you. It's like magickal rape. Very bad juju. Even if it works it will come back on you ten-fold.
Seraphim.
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ILAT ENKI, IMHAS INA LIBBU INE SU'ATI AMELNAKRU MANNU EMU SHU GUSHTUKUL ELI INA DINGIR!
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Jul 19 2006, 10:21 PM
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QUOTE(Seraphim @ Jul 20 2006, 02:56 AM) And not to sound like a jerk bro, but I do advise against forcing someone
to be attracted to you. It's like magickal rape. Very bad juju. Even if it works it will come back on you ten-fold.
Seraphim. Ten-fold? I thought those wiccas thought it was three-fold? There's an inflation also in the astral now? If you give a dozen roses to your target, you influence the targets feelings. If you speak smoothly to your target, you influence the targets feelings. If you use clever psychological tricks, you influence the targets feelings. If you do demonic love magick on your target, you influence the targets feelings. Where is the difference? Please respond.
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| stevekent |
Jul 20 2006, 06:58 AM
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QUOTE(Grab @ Jul 20 2006, 05:21 AM) QUOTE(Seraphim @ Jul 20 2006, 02:56 AM)
And not to sound like a jerk bro, but I do advise against forcing someone
to be attracted to you. It's like magickal rape. Very bad juju. Even if it works it will come back on you ten-fold.
Seraphim.
Ten-fold? I thought those wiccas thought it was three-fold? There's an inflation also in the astral now? If you give a dozen roses to your target, you influence the targets feelings. If you speak smoothly to your target, you influence the targets feelings. If you use clever psychological tricks, you influence the targets feelings. If you do demonic love magick on your target, you influence the targets feelings. Where is the difference? Please respond. I totally agree with you there Grab. Seraphim, I will deal with Gremory first as this entity specialises in what I wish to achieve and make Amon part of my workings afterwards. |
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