I have been using spells and envocations from the necronomicon for over ten years, and in that time i have created a room where i can do waht ever spell i need to do at that time.The book does tend to lead the user but a strong will is needed to act proper when doing a ritual.Before using the spells in the book,try reading some background information on the soemerians and the babyloniërs,that will help to show you a lot of quick anwsers.You will need to created a aray of sigels using the directions in the book,they will work better and safer.

Ashnook - this has been one loooong night! (laughs)

I want to let you know that I am still anticipating the answers to these questions regarding the Necronomic Pathway that I hurled up here a while ago.

These questions also are open to any other Mages (Priests?) who deal with this system.

Sup dood, one long night indeed LOL. Sorry about that.

1. There is no proper term for the paradigm revealed by the Necronomicon. Though, insanity could be a good term LOL. In all seriousness though, the book gives no specific term.

2. A practicioner of the Necronomicon could be described as a simoniconist. If you work the system in terms of seeing it as more than a grimorie, than one becomes a priest of sorts.

3. A map of where the Elder Gods reside would roughly be the planets that each god is granted authority over. The Ancient Ones reside in the "outer" spheres, or in other words, places where no map leads.

4. Ooooh, this is a tricky question lol. Essentially there are three groups in the Necronomicon. The Elder Gods (2), and the Ancient Ones. The Elder Gods compose two groups at the point where there are the gods of the heavens, and the gods (or rather godess) of the underworld.

a. Placing the Gods of the heavens in a hierarchy can be sticky but Ill try to explain. Anu is the father of Enki and Enlil. Anu is the oldest of the Elder Gods in the Necronomicon. Enki is the priests father (as a christian would take Yahweh as his or her father). As the ancient stories go, Enki's son, Marduk, became the King of all of the gods when he defeated Tiamat. So to put it all together, Enki is the priests head god, Marduk is the King of all gods (as they granted him this title after defeating Tiamat, even though he is much younger than some of the other gods discussed in the necronomicon), and Anu is the Eldest God (of the Elder Gods, other gods existed, but died in the Sumerian Creation story).

b. The underworld is pretty strait forward. Ereshkigal rules the underworld with Nergal at her side.

c. The head of the Ancient Ones is Tiamat, or, her male counterpart Kutullu (in Necronomicon mythology, though not in strict Sumerian mythology). Puzuzu and Humwawa (as well as the others) are a bit tricky to put into this catagory because some would more fit as simply being part of the underworld....though for the most part, fall under the catagory of being Ancient Ones.

5. While they do grant abilities and such, most of the Spirits in the book also reveal aspects of the Necronomicon and the cosmos. Do really know which ones despense the best knowledge on a certain field, you will have to summon and ask as many times, only the abilities or rewards they grant are listed in the Necronomicon.

6. No, each entity is skilled at a multitude of taks and information...most of which must be found out by the spirit itself, thats half the fun !

7. As a mage working with the book, you are just another magickian to them lol. As a priest though, you are (somewhat) master as you are tasked with doing the WIll of Enki and Marduk, their King.

8. That really depends on the level of growth that one achievs during this life time, but by no means does one become the plaything of the entities of the Necronomicon....unless of course one is stupid enough to become a slave of the Ancient Ones. At that point, all of Lovecraft's shit becomes a reality LOL.

I hope I was able to clarify a few questions, though I know some answers were a bit sketchy....if you need clarification on anything, just let me know brother.

There is major difference I see between the solomon grimore and the Nec. In the solomon you are commanding spirts and in a sense hiding behind the name of god when dealing with these spirts. In the nec it states you are pretty much on your own, you can pray to the Gods but the Gods are forgetful and may not acknowledge your prayers. Something to keep in mind before you attempt any of the rituals.

Do you really think the Gods will not be as likely to help you when you call he nec spirits?

Do you also believe that when working with grimoires you are hiding behind the name of God?

I am not saying your ideas are not founded in literature... but mabey a little illogical.

One should consider the hermetic ramifications of what you just said.

Skinwalker

I believe most people working with grimores (such as the goetia) are like mafia bosses sending out demons to do their dirty work. And yes most of the time they are hiding behind the name of god(father). I think you may have misunderstood me, when I say the gods are forgetful, the gods from the nec/sumerian are what I am refering to. That is why most of the incatations in the nec say "remember!" after the gods name. As for the gods in the solomon system of magic helping you when dealing with this current of magic.. it depends on what you consider "help"

This post has been edited by distillate: Apr 8 2006, 08:10 PM

Well I can say personally about half of the magick I do is evocation. I do not really get your comparison to a mafia boss. This is probably because I do not see a big difference between working with evocation and other forms of low magick. A Mafia boss works like a general commanding his troops. You will find even with a familiar spirit it is rarely that type of relationship a person has with an earth bound spirit. It is usually much more like a give and take situation. It would be more comparible to a used car salesman trieng to bargain a deal than a mafia boss simply using someone esle to do his own dirty work.

Also this discounts any concept of an initiatory cycle within the grimoires or even the necronomicon. Part of the purpose of evocation (if not the purpose entirely) is self improvement, introspection, and learning about the self (often the parts of self many would be scared to touch). In this way it is not dis-similar than most magicks.

I also know at least in my personal experience in evoking spirits, I do not ever "hide" behind the name of God. It is this concept that seperates the dabblers and the initiated. When you use barbaric names in invocation (names of God) you are calling an inner part of yourself as much as you are calling an outer force. You the magickian are supposed to be the one in control. It is by the force of my own concentrated will that I contain a spirit within the triangle, not any name of "God". The concept that one is paying another to do his dirty work also discounts the true nature of sucessful evocation. In my opinion Evocation is one of the hardest, and possibly most effective systems of magick to work with. There is truely nothing more scary than looking yourself in the mirror (especially when a daemon looks back at you).

The point I am simply making is that you have to seperate the superstition from a grimoire or any system of evocational magick in order to fully work the system. If the magickian is working a system of evocation he must first truelly understand what he is doing by evoking an entity. After that, names of God, and "help" are merely trivial. A good magickian could call any entity in the name of Goofy and Donald Duck, under the supream guidance of master Pinochio and get really good results. He could also use Hebrew God names to control and restrain the spirits of the Nec.

Skinwalker

Skinwalker

I comprehend the comparison with a Mafia Boss because evocation does seem to be about commanding evoked entities to do something in the service of the Mage – or else.

Something does not ring right regarding using Hebrew God names to control and to restrain the entities explained by the Necronomicon – because those entities do not seem to me to fall under the jurisdiction of the Hebrew God.

I get how you might have said that, in the attempt to emphasize The Mage is the one who controls whatever entity is evoked, Skinwalker. However, saying it like that did not initially emphasize that sentiment for me. Instead, it seemed (and still does to some degree) to me that the suggestion is: one can use the God of one paradigm to control the entities of another.

And that seriously is dubious to me.

I'd like to add my two cents worth please...
It should be noted that there has been quite a discussion and alot of foot shuffling about the hierarchal use of "god-names" here in reference to the Necronomicon. What has been noted is that not all banishing and constraining formulae used in standard Judeo-Christian Magic has ANY effect on the Nec entities....AT ALL! By research with those who use the Nec it has been also noted that the use of strong SOLAR formula does, indeed, have some of the required effect. For what it is worth here...

found that out the hard way years ago. Although the simplist ritual IMO to perform when things do not seem right is the LBRH. The LBRH is basically the "take this and call me in the morning" of the Nec.

This post has been edited by distillate: Apr 10 2006, 02:45 PM

The Magickian is God.

Skinwalker:

All that statement seems to me to do is imply discounting both the hierarchial structures of - and that which uniquely differentiates - deities and other entities referenced by distinct paradigms.

As such, my point still stands regarding the dubiousness of the suggestion that a God which one paradigm references can control deities and other entities which a different paradigm references.

To make this relevant for the Necronomicon: How can any God (whether the Magickian ostenibly either is, or is not, a God) referenced by any paradigm that is not the one that the Necronomicon explains have any authority whatsotheever over the deities or other entities that the Necronomic paradigm explains?

ROFL. Every post made here has signified much truth, there is really no room to debate LOL. Evokation is indeed a process by which one advances the microcosm and uses evokation to further unify the micro and macro...but one must remember that even the most advanced magickians, from time to time, evoke an entity with the sole purpose of telling it to do something. I would also like to comment on the above mentioned "the gods are forgetful". The Sumerian Gods value stregnth and WIll above all else. If one were to evoke the most benevolent entity from the Necronomicon and get scared sh*tless over it, calling upon Anu wont do much good. If the magickian, on the other hand, is confronted by an agent of chaos and calls upon Anu to help him fight his foe....the prayer would surely be answered. SkinWalkers correlation of the Magickain and God is correct, but must be fit in the proper context. The magickian is only God if he or she realizes that. That realization comes from iniatory work and contemplation on ones higher self.

As usual Ashnook has spoken wisely.

I understand what is being said about the banishings referencing the introduction to the book. Having chosen Enki as my master I only use the banishings in the book itself. The only really important thing about a banishing is that you believe it works. So for a christian perhaps reading some psalms or for a ceremonial magician perhaps the lesser banishing ritual.

If you have abandoned your previous notions to god and embraced the Necronomican and embraced its gods then keep it simple and stick with the text. There are many wonderful exorcisms and nice prayers in the book. I will list some here.

In The Testimony of the Mad Arab part two their is a very beautiful prayer. Pg 205 in its entirety and the first six lines of page 206. It calls the 7 planetary gods for assistance and almost seems to be a confession of sin to right things with the gods. After all before we ask the gods for assistance it is only right that we ask for their forgiveness of errs. This is a powerful prayer. Use it!

The preliminary purification invocation of Ishtar / Inanna on page 110 goes along with this sense of purification. If we are pure spiritually and mentally before magick working we are less likely to get into a tight spot where we need to start banishing unwanted spirits. After all it is our vibration rate which attracts them and the power of our ritual.

The exorcism on page 99 is to be used at the place of calling. It is short and sweet and just as effective in any situation to cleanse your home. SImular to the aga mass ssaratu we burn bread while saying this. <Note that the Maklu text in its entirety is to be said over the aga mass ssaratu as the bread burns.>

However as far as protecting and exorcising your home none can be as powerful as The exorcism of the crown of Anu. pg 78-79 This exorcism is written with passion and to be said with passion. NO EVIL IN THE WORLD OR UNDER IT OVER THE WORLD OR INSIDE THE WORLD MAY SEIZE ME HERE! This is written beautifully like the prayer on 205 sounds like a poem.

pg 80 The exorcism Barra Edinnazu for spirits who attack the circle. A very powerful way to send a demon to the desert.

The exorcism Zi DIngir pg 81 Not exactly my favorite as it takes careful concentration to say correctly. Although much can be said for careful concentration in ritual.

pg 86-87 The exorcism against the possesing spirit. This may be intended to cast a demon or sickness out of a person but lets not over look it as a powerful exorcism as well. There is just something about ordering demons to sieze one another and eat each others bones that is in harmony with me.

If trying to exorcise a demon or sickness from someone use pg 88 The exorcism Annakia as well.

pg 91 A most excellent charm against the hordes of demons that assail in the night. First read this in english from the preface so you understand what you are saying then recite in Sumerian. Depart from my body in shame! From my body flee! Once again a work of beauty.

The Necronomicon is slap full of banishings. Of course you have to believe they will work before they are effective.
I speak only for myself and all should do as in their mind they think is right. As for me the day when I can not find an effective banishing in the Necronomicon might be the day I need to go get glasses!

So BE IT !

8. After this lifetime, what happens to the practitioner? Does one become the plaything of Necronomiconic entities one bossed around during this lifetime? Does one move beyond their sphere of influence, taking abilities gained from galavanting through the Gates, and progress to other places withinthe cosmic scheme for continuing growth adventures elsewhere? Does one come back to this world? etc..

What you expect is what you get. Read the Tibetian Book of The Dead. The Tibetian monks are wise in their knowledge of the world between worlds. A master like Crowley could easily manipulate the afterlife. I can not tell you what will happen to you when you die. But as for me I will go before my master Enki to recieve further orders.

Peace!

Any one who has questions about the system please feel free to conatact me.

Yeah I'm a newbie to the Nec also lol, but yeah an altar is mainly for a place for tools and other things, so I wouldn't think that an altar is a neccessity. If you want an altar, then that's fine, and I would follow the instructions of Ashnook, but if you can't include an altar, then I wouldn't worry too much about it.
~Christopher

This post has been edited by chaos_mage4: Jun 27 2006, 07:54 PM

I want to break some spells I made before but I don't know what to do. Can burning a seal cause something bad later? Has anyone got any knowledge about this?

Consider what that magick did for you, if anything, and determine the key element in it's function. Remove that element from your life, magick broken.

If you don't yet see magick's effect in your life, one method I used to use was to recunstruct all of the same elements as the original spell and perform the same spell backwards - semantic components altered to unwork the magick, of course, if there were any.

If the magick affected others, the most effective way to banish it would be to simply tell them, but that takes balls - and people can be unforgiving and ignorant about those things, which means there would probably be hell to pay. On the other hand, you might deserve it.

Basically, the more thoroughly you purge the magick from your life, the more banished it is. Personally, I feel that elements of a spell gone wrong or now obsolete will remain if you only deal with one part of it. How would you purge anything else you didn't want in your life?

peace

Actually in the second part of the testimony of the mad arab in the necronomicon it is reccomended to burn things to destroy spells. If U find cords of knots or seals of your enemies the Necronomicon says to burn them to destroy the spells. "May thier wickedness rise unto heaven as smoke. May thier cords be burnt thier knots broken. May they melt like honey and wax. Thier spell is destroyed." Say this and burn the seals. Even if U made the seals yourself. THis is a way U can break your own spells without experiancing any repercussion. I will try to find a page number for U later when I have more time.

Yes Burn Them! And by all means make sure that U conjure the fire God Gibil.

Peace

Thank you very much guys. I'm planning to burn them.

I've been using the Simon Necronomicon for 18 years without any special tools. I have had excellent results with the basic spells in most cases, although I have found that I usually must perform them twice in a row to achieve the desired objective.

I am not a seasoned magichian, and I was wondering at what point of magical development would it be good to start working with this book.
so what should i already be able to do before practicing Nec magic, any tips exercisies for getting started in this current?

Some basic magick theory is always good as well as the ability to send and recieve energy. Some knowhows about evokation is also necessary as well as the theory behind evokation. When you getting ready for the gate walking, youll need to work on astral projection. A bit about Sumerian and Babylonian mythology will come in handy as well.

Has anyone here successfully used the book but supplied there own format? For example used the Apple Love spell without walking Inanna gate first? I realize it isn't wise but people excel through experimentation. So has anyone altered the Books rituals by omitting steps etc? Utlizing it like a Chaos magic. Or even better made there own rituals using the Book as source material?

gmcbroom

Ceremonial magicians using the Necronomicon as just a Grimiore often experiance bad results. Using the Necronomicon as a part of Chaos magick I would find very foolish. Or at least very dangerous.

In my humble opinion when working with a system follow the rules and work within the guidelines of the system. This is the only way you will learn the system and access its power.

Peace

What about following the rules but adding other elements, like say sex magic? After all didn't the babylonians have sacred whores?( not trying to be crude)

Absoublutely. I make my own spells and rituals sometimes I just always do them within the peramiters. Sex magick is totally cool to. Try drawing the sign of Sirsir upside down over your navel before making boom boom.

Inanna is the Goddess of Love and war. Of Harlots and soildiers. No problems there.

This post has been edited by smasher666: Aug 19 2006, 12:19 AM

U can start using the Necronomicon at any time. U do not have to be a seasoned magician to experiance good results.

Sweet. I know this is a bit off topic here, but do you have to walk the gates first before using the sigils of the 50 names? In the spell book it doesn't mention walking the gates, but in the full book of the necronomicon it mentions that walking the gates is a prerequisit.

This post has been edited by Enigmius: Aug 19 2006, 12:45 AM