hello i didnt know where else to post this
but it seemed to be the right place

has anyone besides myself awakened the otherkin inside of them


otherkin are people who believe or feel their spirit is not of this earth

What was your experience like, if you dont mind me asking?

"otherkin are people who believe or feel their spirit is not of this earth" -- bleachXlight

I think that it is human nature to think that you are not of this earth and sometimes, when you look about at the squalor and depravity, it is good to think like that.

However, there may be some people who are genuinely not of this earth but I don't think that they would readily admit being otherkin as I am sure you know how paranoid governments get when faced with the reality of (intelligent) life elsewhere in the universe!

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edit: also it might be more comfortable for Otherkin to have this thread in The Hive as it offers a modicum of privacy.

This post has been edited by Alafair: Sep 7 2006, 03:50 AM

The Soul is energy. Formless, sexless, shapless. You likely are remembering a past incarnation as an otherkin, and you are attaching to this memory. If you were of a Magickal race (elven, fae, etc) you likely lived a very long lifespan, and thus you associate yourself most closely to this past lifetime than this current one. What, may I ask do you associate with as "otherkin"?

Can YOU define what Otherkin are, and then I might answer that.

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This post has been edited by Alafair: Sep 8 2006, 11:54 AM

Actually there are people who in a past life were not human but some form of spirit. An early mentor of mine once told me that some retarded and aultiustic children were not human in the past life but some form of spirit in the spirit realm. On first inspection it seems there can be nothing to validate such a claim. However he taught a healing technique which I have found very effective in stimulating the minds of retarded children.

Also I have heard much about Earth Bound Angels. Albeit not on this forum as of yet. Earth Bound Angels are humans that are part divine. These people although not creating bad karma seem to suffer much more than the rest of us. The suffering of the Earth Bound Angels is said to help pay some kind of debt for mankind as a whole. These people are said to have special powers such as healing.

Proving that a person is a reincarnated other world spirit is of course impossible. However it is probable this could actually happen and often has.

That actually makes a great deal of sense... It seems to me that when we are outside of our temporal context, that is, 'in between' lives, the chunks of experience which do not take place incarnate as a human being on earth, could create psychological preferences towards the incarnations in which we managed to save a bit of identity after death. If some of those incarnations were as spirits, or entities other than human, then naturally when the soul is incarnate and recovers pieces of these lives, it creates a division between the context of the current incarnation and one's 'true' self.

I'm a shifter, myself - often categorized alongside otherkin, often referred to as 'Were' or Therian - 'phenotype' panther, and used to strongly identify with my animalistic side.

However, I found that allowing that portion of my consciousness to define who I was took away from the human experience of this incarnation. From my past experience speaking with other shifters (none of whom, I should mention, were people I actually met in person, save for two) a lot of individuals of this temperment call this period 'Integration'.

For myself, it became unhealthy to see myself as 'above' or 'beyond' this world, and to identify my own soul as 'outside' the realm of human experience. I found that it lead me towards a sense of superiority and hubris amongst my peers, and ultimately alienated me. Once I began to understand more of what it meant for me, what strengths and weaknesses is gave me, I accepted myself as fully human in the sense that I am as human as anyone else, and subject to the same regulations therein - I was simply aware of a broad spectrum of the experience already a part of my consciousness, and part of that awareness connected me to the animalistic energy included in my being.

I'm curious - in what fashion does your being Otherkin affect your consciousness that you are aware of? I am curious because speaking with other shifters helped me narrow down what was the 'classical' human awareness within my own scope of awareness, and which parts were the manifestations of my animal consciousness. I found that it became the best way to exemplify what I meant by 'shifter' when the subject arose.

peace

Interesting association of "shifter". I have always found the ability to shift can be a learned skill. In fact, it is told that many Druid Priests could shift. The ability to shape shift would not necessarily make one Otherkin. Although, if you are a Changeling, shifting (through use of Glamour) would come naturally. The term Otherkin has been tossed around a lot in the last 10 years. I have usually heard it used to describe those who considered themselves Elves, Fae, Dwarves, Dragons, etc reincarnated into human form. While I do not discount this theory, I theorize that the soul has not true form, but is only shaped by the will of it's conciousness, and that it is possible that one could have held and existance as an "otherkin" but they're soul does not differ from one that is incarneted as human (save specific knowledges gained through otherkin existance).


Smasher666: Do you possibly have a link to more information regarding the Angels you speak of?

My source is a book written in Turkish. It is a really good book if you know how to read Turkish. My wife is Turkish so she does the translating. It is loaned out to a friend right now but if you want I can get the title and possibly there is an English translation of it. I had never heard about Earth Angels before but many things in the book make perfect sense so I am willing to believe that some peoples souls might be a little more divine than others.

As to the mental retardation and Atuism of people who previously lived in a spirit realm. I learned that from oral tradition. A Shaman who greatly influenced me at a young age. I am sure his source was Papago / Pima Native American oral tradition.

Peace

Well, this is the reason that I no longer generally identify as primarily a shifter. But, as i understand it, assuming the essence of any god/creature/etc., on the spiritual level is the same thing as being otherkin/shifter - people who naturally identify as Otherkin or Shifters have this quality inherently from the beginning, before training and exploration into any such art.

Being a part of the universal source, the consciousness of creation, I have access to memories of any form of existence, if I can identify what i'm looking for. Being able to access memories through exploration, of a life as a dragon, elf, badger, or little julie nixon down the street, I may as well be their reincarnation (even though little julie nixon is still living).

However, when we come into this incarnation, I think that the structure of your ego, which at its essence is your incarnation, is going to naturally have a sympathetic vibration to some scope of the experience within existence. Since you are, thus, an extension of that mode of energy, those structures which together make up the pattern of a 'life' which we interpret as memories of a life outside and, we therefore assume, before our current context. If you are born into an incarnation in which one or more of your three bodies shares a sympathetic vibration to the part of creation which is an elven/draconic/etc. existence, then your consciousness has direct initial access to those 'memories' and you assume a context relevant to those memories, and this manifests itself as self-identification as otherkin, shifter, earth angel, etc., ad infinitum...

I think that this predisposition is worth transcending, personally, because no matter how broad your scope of context is, bigger is better.

But, in any case, anyone can become otherkin, if being otherkin means having memories or feelings of a past life as another 'fantastic' species; similarly for shifters, therians, etc. Identifying oneself as either naturally implies an innate quality to the experience. Not all people are born with such a predisposition, and so a label evolves to create a social partition.

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yeah.

peace

I never heard this term otherkin prior to surfing these forums. I have always used the term Elementals. My definition is based on whether a being is a balanced energy on this plane, Assiah. Elementals can be beings with a point of origin in a higher or a lower plane where there essence is balanced. In terms of superiority, it's not something to be intrinsically proud or ashamed of. It is just different with different strengths and weaknesses. Humanity and animals are balanced on Assiah, angelic and demonic beings aren't.

One difference between humans and elementals is that humans will eventually evolve as a species. Humans who do not separate their consciousness from that of general Humanity, the sleepers, will progress towards transcendence. Obviously, this will take a long time. This is the gift given to those who don't choose Free Will. Guaranteed evolution is not the birthright of elementals. The results they achieve are dependent upon their efforts and desires.

Likewise, humans who choose to consciously direct their development, give up their free ride to evolution. In the course of pursuing magical attainment, due to the changes wrought in the practitioners balance over time, the similarities between non-sleeping humans and elementals becomes less. The pitfall of directing your own course is the very real possibility of devolution.

The primary application of this understanding is the recognition that some beings have a significantly different energy balance and consequently, their spiritual and energetic needs are different. It is evidence that one magical path does not fit all. This is often forgotten in the rather impersonal world of psybermagick where options are presented without consideration of the nature of the potential user. In my opinion, this inability to assess the nature of the audience is the greatest weakness of this type of magical forum.

motsie

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Although i do think that for the self-motivated magician, a forum such as this actually offers a very wide range of options and possibilities. By concentrating so many different paths, opinions, theory, and practical instruction, into one locale, I believe there is something relavent to the vast majority of people included here somewhere - if not black and white information, then certainly some good information on how to start. It is of course up to the individual to discover which information works and what doesn't, and which portion is going to be compatible with him, but excess education can be overcome with careful observation, I like to say.

We do lack a particular area devoted towards the analysis of subjects such as the one at hand, although i think pseudoscience is perhaps the best location given. Maybe Cryptozoology depending on the individual's take on what otherkin are.

peace