I usually only absorb enough energy to attempt the task at hand ok maybe a little more but i have always wondered what would happen if i went on an energy draining spree without showing any restraint. What would the limitations be and would i be able to store this energy indefinitely or would i simply overload. Any ideas.

You can absorb too much energy, but it's not what it sounds like. It's difficult to define 'quantity' when it comes to energy, but you could discuss density or intensity, in their energetic context.

In any case, in most cases you will reach an upper limit and simply be unable to experience more energy than a certain level, which will gradually increase. In the case of those particularly pushy individuals (myself included) pushing past that natural limit can result directly in muscle spasms, increased blood pressure, and flashing spots in the eyesight often thought to be energy seen visually (false). If you know how to reach past your natural limits, though, chances are you'll know that you're doing something dangerous when it happens. Doing it is hard to explain, and frankly explaining it would be irresponsible.

Within the energy system, there is an optimum 'energy level' which is to say that everything must be in harmony with everything else. When you attempt to store energy in any of the centers in your body (all capable, but some are better for it than others), you must keep that harmony in mind, and excercise control over the energy that is there. The real issue arises when you draw in too much energy and then turn your attention away. Anytime you are finished with an act of magick, or any sort of energy manipulation, just make sure that you shunt the excess out somehow - grounding, generally, although I also like to shunt the energy out as a blessing into the wind, being particularly attuned to elemental air energy myself.

When you are wielding energy, initally you store it in the aura your energy system regulates. There is an active and passive aspect of this as with everything else. You store it as potential in the passive state, which becomes 'bloated' so to speak. if you were to fill yourself to capacity and then some, and hold onto the energy consciously and turn your attention away, the energy system, your chakras (major, minor, etc.) will absorb that energy in a similar fashion to the way water might move from one space to another to equalize pressure. It will follow the path of least resistance, and that means that the chakra with the closest frequency will absorb the energy the quickest, and that will determine what function the energy plays in your system. So for instance, you might do a solar meditation, and absorb energy until you are sweating, then sit around and watch tv. Solar energy is supposed to be associated with the Third eye chakra, I frequently associate it with my crown chakra. In the more traditional case, leaving the energy in your aura, and doing nothing constructive with it, may cause the excess to force itself into the third eye and cause it to be overactive. This would probably manifest itself - varying a little in the specifics depending on the state of the rest of your energy system - as personality shifts, you may become a bit more egomaniacal, controlling, "A.D.D.", you might become preoccupied with your daydreams, or space out a lot. That happens a lot to particuarly psychic teenagers.

When energy centers are overactive, usually the corresponding functions they regulate become hyper active, which can be as daunting as underactive centers. You can google some information on chakra activity, or possibly find some in the library here.

My method of balancing the centers is to start at the bottom and become aware of the extent of energy in the root chakra, get it cycling twice the speed of my heart (imagine a point at the edge of a whirlpool or wheel that is spinning counterclockwise, facing forward, passing the highest point at twice the rythm of your heartbeat) Then withdraw your control, but maintain your awareness, until your mind becomes more still. Perform this action all the way up to sahasrara. You may notice that when you withdraw control, the excess energy simply flows out into your aura, until all seven chakras are in rythm and balanced, at which point you ground or release the excess energy in your aura.

Coping with overactive energy, learning to control the energy, to the point where it is second nature, is the sign that your chakra is become accustomed to storing more energy.

peace

i find that when i keep drawing energy in, i reach a treshhold at wich i can draw in no more.
Its like blowing up a rubber tire with your mouth, you don't have enough breath to pop a car tire, perhaps there is a way to strengthen your capability of drawing in energy.
And then one might be able to draw more.
But i do not think it is probably dat you can damage yourself with it.

Aquiring greater skill in drawing in energy also brings greater control over the energy, trough the experience of working with it.

Thats why i always keep on drawing energy. This bag of meat will just have to cope with my spiritual growth, or die trying.
Either way, it is my thought that if my body is unable to contain me, i will have reached my goal and become enlightened. Then it will be my spiritual energy containing and keeping togheter the body.

Wich is an intersting thought (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) , but a long way to go. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/oops.gif)

The manifestation and side effects vagrant dreamer speaks about, are things i sometimes have, but i take them mostly of a sign of having made progress.
My opinion on these things is rather unique, since i kind of follow my own system. So vagrant dreamer is probably more correct.

Like Smoking fox said, it is good to take such manifestations of imbalance as signs of progress. Like growing pains. But, just like growing pains, it's good to tend your stress points in order to maintain focus and clarity. Growth and imbalance are intertwined, it seems.

peace

According to me, there is a limit to how much you can absorb.. but there isnt a limit on how much you can influence upon.. Its according to personal observation.. and as i am still novice in magick, it might be that i am wrong in the amount that one can aborb... but on the influence thing i am quite confident about that.. Remember snowball effect.. :-)



If you can make an atom collide and influence another atom, then you can influence the universe ;-)

I was a bit hesitant to post in this thread. I am not as accomplished an energy worker as our friend Vagrant Dreamer and I am sure he has studied energy theory more than I have.

However I am pretty good at energy manipulation. At one point I was drawing in so much energy I would pass out. Eventually I learned to retain consciousness when I enter this drunk with power state.

Ocasionally I will draw down as much power as I can with the intent of bettering the Earth etc. It is kind of like exercise or building muscle. The more you work out the stronger you get.

In the beginning certainly I had limits. I would get horrible migrane headaches. Also due to my high energy level I can never sleep without sleeping pills.

I do not believe in limits. My mind just does not work that way. The truth is different for everyone I guess.

Peace.

This post has been edited by smasher666: Sep 9 2006, 07:47 PM

thanks for all the advice but it raises another question. I experience a lot of the side effects mentioned every day of my life. Does this then mean that i am functioning at maximum. I only ask because i am not trying to push the limits at the moment.

I have a very serious sleeping disorder due to my high energy level. On the other hand everything in life is so much easier for me because I am so optimistic and energetic. I look much younger than I actually am. This is due to Psi Vampirism which is a form of energy feeding. Of course it is only one way I power up on energy. Eventually after you have become so accustomed to feeding off energy all the time you start to do this unconsciously. This used to bother my wife as me draining her would make her tired. Eventually this turned her into a Psi Vampire herself. Already being very accomplished with Rieki she has become quite good with it. There is good and bad with everything. You just want to keep things under control and develop on an easy pace.

Peace

Within the seven chakras and the various lesser energy centers, which all have functions relevant to and reliant upon the seven major ones, there are receptors for every kind of energy available to the human experience. Everythign that happens in the gross physical plane, has it's parallel energy in the astral. What the physical body experiences, the astral body experiences. Depending on how your energy system - affected by your health, your spiritual awarenes, your personal power, your mood (and alternately affecting those things in return) - is functioning, you'll handle all of those energies in different ways, and the consequences of that interaction become manifest as your actions.

So, I'm of the opinion that any sort of imbalance can be adressed through the seven chakras. The Cause would be anything outside yourself which might have come in, been handled inefficiently or too efficiently by the chakra responsible for dealing with that frequency of energy (remember, everything is energy, this is everything outside of your own perspective). Maybe you break up with a lover, and because your heart or root chakra is low in energy, you experience withdrawal because of your inability to be secure or to have closure after the energy they brought into your life. On the other hand, if they are overactive, you may become angry or become distrustful of relationships all together.

Physical ailments, as well, I believe, correspond to chakra imbalances. I would includ imbalances due to invasion by entities as well, based only on my instinct, though - the chakras regulate all of the functions of the body and the various dimensions of consciousness within the ego. If your chakras are balanced and empowered, I believe you can be well defended against any infection, and it is my instinct that infection can be dealt with by sapping the biological entity responsible of it's vital energy, being that it is so within the scope of your influence. However, that is not a theory I have, rather thankfully, been able to test on my own health since I thought about it.

In other words, the fact that you experience such things every day does, in my opinion, mean that you have imbalanced chakras. Remember that consciouly tapping energy for a purpose is one thing, but you're bombarded by energy that will enter your context and be assimilated by the chakra that corresponds to it's overall vibration. For instance the energy of having to pay rent (youhave to aquire one concept[energy] called money, and then direct that energy[structure] to a cause in order to sustain a situation[network of interconnected energetic structures manifest in your life]) It's like an equation, and in order to deal with this issue, your instinct towards it will rely on your Root chakra, where your sense of security emnates from, which will respond to this energy of having to pay rent according to how balanced it is. Remember that your previous experiences, energies which you have assimilated, have all played a part in conditioning your energy system to have a sort of 'baseline' vibration where it will generally hover, if not directly affected by some energy positively or negatively, until you do groundlevel work to raise it (changes to the structure of your consciousness and/or astral body and/or physical body for, generally, the better).

If you are experiencing anything outside of your calm, balanced, peaceful self, then something is imbalanced. But, remember that imbalance is how you know that you're growing, as well, and we're always growing, so there's always a natural imbalance. It is our own intention and control that balances our energy system, it does not happen on it's own. Your own consciousness is the 'order' aspect of your existence, the structure that is the root of your being (relative to your three bodies) and therefore balance and harmony must come from the conscious willing for it to be so.

if anything is out of order, then, find some sort of sensory method to determine which chakra it is. My technique offer is to simply focus your attention entirely on each chakra individually and identify it as a sphere of white light. Holding the intention to observe the balance of that chakra, allow the light to gradually shift into the spectrum between red and blue, red representing fire, positive, and blue representing water, negative, as well as all colors in between. If the chakra shows very blue, aquire fire energy with each breath until it is more purple. (there's a thread elsewhere on the board dealing with aquiring elemental energies, posted by kinjo, I believe, that I found to be as effective as my own regular technique so I'll save words). The contrary of course goes for a chakra that appears to be too read.

of course, any two points of reference with a gradient between them will suffice, it doesn't have to be visual, but in any case it's going to be incarnation of positive/negative fire/water light/dark.

Note, however, that balancing an individual chakra is not the same as harmonizing all of the chakras, although seven individually balances chakras, I beleive, will naturally, gradually harmonize if you maintain their individual balance.

Excercises of this nature, towards the ends of attaining constant balance and harmony within and amongst the chakras, will virtually eliminate dis-ease from your three bodies. On the other hand, allowing yourself to experience and fight off disease is a different path to harmony - the first path of maintaining balance by controlling the state of your own energy is how you learn to defend yourself from dis-ease, and so defended, the path of confrontation teaches you to wield the energies in your life as weapons to battle your way through the energies that will inevitatbly assail your life. As always, balance is best, so it is best to learn both methods.

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So, in conclusion, yes one or more chakras can be in overdrive even if you don't consciously pull in energy. To much intellectual energy (frantically dedicated a textbook to memory the day before a final exam, for instance) will throw the third eye into overdrive and you can experience a headache with the pressure that gathers there according to the sudden intake of energy. Breath, clear your mind, balance the third eye, and let the weight of the information[energy] thusly consumed, be digested by your energy system and become a part of your consciousness. The headache goes away (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wizard.gif) just like that.

okay i'm done...

peace
peace

This post has been edited by Vagrant Dreamer: Sep 11 2006, 12:34 AM

I think it is important to consider the source of the energy, as well as the amount. Energy drawn from a different plane, higher or lower, affect the target differently than energy drawn from Assiah. Drawing energy from above can overwhelm and bedazzle reducing concentration. Energy drawn up tends to reinforce primal elements in some.

motsie

is there a way of determining where i am drawing energy from if i am doing it subconsciously as i have come to the conclusion that i might be doing this.

Is it then possible to determine where you are drawing energy from if you are doing it subconsciously. And also is it possible to stop doing it when you do not realise that you are. Oh and thanks for the advice on Chakras i found a rather interesting book on the subject or rather it found me when it arrived in one of my boxes. It was a bit confusing at first although that may be because it was in german but i think i understand the basics now. Will definitely be doing more research.

when you sleep, your astral body and energy body become active. your chakras open up and they have their own system of drawing energy from your nearest surroundings.. energy is all around... so that comes to the conclusion that if you sleep near a powerful source of divine energy :-) it purifies and energises you much better...

Try sleeping in your TV room and try Sleeping a a prayer room.. you will have better sleep in the prayer room.. :-)


i have not read the posts above posts but my reply is for your question set directly...

P.S According to what i read from Robert Bruce, chakras can be opened and activated by energy exercises. But the other way round is not really feasible. that it closing the chakras... chakras opening and absorbing and chanelling energy is as automatic as breathing. you can stop inhaling for some seconds but ultimately you will inhale ;-)

This post has been edited by mystick: Sep 12 2006, 07:16 AM

You are the energy. All you are doing is recycling it. Breathing is subconsious. You do not have to programme your liver to digest or produce enzymes or plan the length that each hair must grow on each day. So producing, using and determining energy is subconscious.

If it were not for our imaginations, the world would be without words. Words are energy and words are all human, ergo .... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blablabla.gif)

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I liken energy absorbtion to a spunge sucking up water. A spunge absorbs liquid. But it can only absorb so much before the pores become satuated with water and can't hold any more. At which point the spunge simply stops absorbing water. People are similar to spunges in that they can only hold so much energy. And once their capacity is full they simply can't hold any more. They may try to absorb more but they would ultimately have to release some energy inorder to gain more. Unlike spunges, however, people can train themselves to have a greater capacity for energy. IN this respect I think the amount of energy one can hold depends on how much training one has had to hold energy. But there is little, if any limmit to how much capacity for energy one can have. It all depends on their experience and training at it, thats the limmit.

On another note I do think that while people can hold so much energy I think they are used to holding a certain amount. That most people don't carry a full capacity and they are used to this. When people try to carry more energy than they are used to they are affected by; too little same difference. I'd imagine people who start carrying more energy tend to feel overwhelmed and people who carry less tend to feel drained. Both can be a result of magick practices. I think when people start out in the occult they don't always realize that they are learning to manipulate energy not just around themselves but in them too. So they experience an indescribable sensation of becoming overwhelmed or drained because of their practice in the occult.

What sort of energy is it you are absorbing? Is is real energy or just a thought form?

The type of energy realy depends on why I need it, what I am going to use it for and where I am going to obtain it.