Okay here is my question. Has anyone here ever used the Goetia without any protection? Just your aura and your will. Has anyone here known anyone else that did that? What happened?

i think you should have a seance to see what happened to them... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
that if you really want to know... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/book.gif)

I have and nothing bad happened to me.
The thing is that you must NOT use the names of jhva, yahweh, elohim, or any other xtian god names. Also DO NOT use the clavicle or blasting rod, and you will be fine.
Most Importantly invoke or evoke them with Respect, and they won't hurt or kill you. Simple Enough?

This post has been edited by Sparkles: Sep 17 2006, 11:39 PM

You are right.My advice to people that will attempt such evocations or invocations is that,if you are not experienced,use the modified ritual equipment,such as robe and pentacle,like black robe and inverted pentagram and similar since it will help you to achieve right mind set for more easy evocation.Call them in the name of higher demons but without threats and create appropriate atmosphere for evocation they like when they feel at home.

Okay thank you both.

Yes I have, many a time. However I don't recommend this approach for newbies, or anyone following a particular magical path that *does* call for protections and a circle. There are hundreds of different techniques for calling these spirits. However I recommend for the first 5 years or so choosing a good one that is tried and tested over the years and sticking with that. After you get to know the Daemons and more about magic, then going further with experimentation and so on could be a good idea if that is your path.

Athena

I summoned Dantallion without a circle, and commanded him to manifest in the name of "Yeshuvah." He really did not seem to mind. At times he would ask me rather personal questions of my thoughts and other times try to test my Will. Each time I simply lifted my Solomonic sword and said "Tetragrammaton." What names or method you use to call the spirits are less important, imho, than how much of their conciousness that you call. For example: If you summoned Asmonday to a semi-physical form without a circle, you had better be ready. On the other hand, calling him astrally into a mirror or your third eye would have less risks. Even if Asmonday were to not attack one, it is likely one's body would FEEL like it is being attacked because of the foriegn energy penetrating your aura with the absence of a circle. Though again, evokation to the astral would likely not produce these effects or at the least it would drastically lessen them.

Ok . . . (thanks Athena and Ashnook !) . . .
I take it you've both evoked goetic entities with traditional protections initially . . . then later in your magickal "careers" evoked them without (?)

After dropping the overtly protective devices, did you notice any "hard feelings" or disgruntled attitudes on the spirits part for originially being called "traditionally" ?
(both of your replies almost speaks to this . . . I just thought I'd dig a bit deeper for everyones edification)

Phil Hines suggests( *article*) that some goetic spirits actually prefer, even may need, the whole traditional evocational setup.
Granted, everyones experience is different and dependant on thier own proclivities . . . but I thought I'd throw that out as an experience of a magician thats definitly not an evocation novice. whatever (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by palindroem: Nov 13 2006, 02:08 PM

Both myself and my students have found that at least an apology and glass of wine was in order lol. After that, things went much better. By much better I mean more consistant results.

Athena

I've never used a circle, never will.

Does that mean you just...essentially go through the motions with all the necessary equipment and *never* use a circle? I assume, then, that entitys respond better to you respecting them as opposed to coming down all ...high and mighty?

I have had no problems without a circle. I use the Tarot mostly now with great success.