Reading through the maqlû tablets I noticed some similarities to Nec spells. I will post the similarities here as I record and find them for all to review.




The Necronomicon

The Conjuration "XILQA XILQA BESA BESA" or "A Most Exellant Charm
Aginst the Hordes of Demons" etc.




From the maqlû : In cantation Ten - Isâ Isâ (be off, be off”)

A circle of flour is laid down, and the speaker commands the ghosts and demons to de-part And adjures them never to return.







Translation of Incantation Ten by the Scholar Tzvi Abusch

[quote]Be off, be off, begone, begone,
Depart, Depart, flee, flee!
Go off, go away, be off, and begone!
May your Wickedness like smoke rise ever heavenward!

[quote]From my body be off!
From my body begone!
From my body depart!
From my body flee!
From my body go off!
From my body go away!
To my body turn back not!
To my body approach not!
To my body near not!
On my body abut not!
By the life of Šamaš, the honorable, be adjured!
By the life Ea, lord of the deep, be adjured!
By the life of Asalluhi, the magus of the gods, be adjured!
By the life of Girra, your executioner, be adjured!
From my body you shall indeed be separated!
eeeaaa

This post has been edited by distillate: May 13 2006, 02:35 AM

From The Necronomicon


"The Conjuration of the Mountains of MASHU"



The maqlû Incantation Nine: ŠadÛ liktumkumkunũši (may the mountain cover you)

A mountain stone is placed on the brazier containing the charred and sodden remains of the statues (made to represent witches in earlier rituals in the maqlû) . The speaker here expresses the wish that the mountain confine and pulverize the withes, whose separation from the living is herewith demanded.


Present in the ritual in the form of a mountain stone, the mountain signifies some form of the world of the dead (cf. kur and kur.gal) and may even be reminiscent of the cosmic Ekur. In any case, it here suggests a burial mound heaped on dead enemies in the open country, rocks piled over bodys or graves (for use of mounds in the burial of enemies).


Translation of Incantation Nine by the Scholar Tzvi Abusch

I found a lot more similarities, is there any interest in seeing them? If not I am not going to waste time typing them up.

Keep em comin brother!

Distilliate

Thats awesome bro. Give me a link where I can buy this book. Post some more!

This post has been edited by smasher666: Jul 13 2006, 01:27 AM

The book is https://www.eisenbrauns.com/ECOM/_1UX1C9QN3.HTM I shoped around for awhile and found a copy for 55 dollars. Sadly I haven't had time lately to post more findings.

Hello:
Please keep them comming both the english and the original sumeria.

Or quite a while I've been tring to find Tallqvist book on the Maqlu texts with no success. And even if I did I do not speak german..
So I really appreciate your efforts to present the sumerian magical encantations, which most 'academics' shy off and leave out of their selections of text being translated..

Thanks again
Traveller.

Hello all:
Does any one know the meaning of KANPA ? Like in Nec's
ZI DINGIR ANNA KANPA
ZI DINGIR KIA KANPA

I have been looking at the various sumerian dictionaries online like (http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/
) etc, and a reading book, and best I can come up with is:

ZI DINGIR ANN - A KANPA
ZI DINGIR KI - A KANPA

Remember, God in Ski KANPA
Remember, GOd in Earth KANPA


Simbols can be defined as:

si [Remember]
Dingir [God] (dont know how to make it plural though..)
an [Ski]
a (in)
KANPA No idea,

Have looked as ka, ka-an-pa, gan-pa, etc. but no luck so far.

Any comments from people knowledgeable in this area?

I wanto findo out to be able to write the prayers in the original cuneiform script, and need to determine the proper signa to use.

Thanks,
Traveller

I was always under the impression that ZI=Spirit and KANPA=Remember, It seems that Sumerian follows (at least in this instance) English rules of flow. SO, this is my interrpretation:
Spirit God of the Earth Remember ME!
Sprit God of the Heavens Remember Me!

I f I am wrong--please let me know any of you out there----I won't mind. Better the fool for a moment than a fool always for not asking................poor quote of a Chinese (I think!) proverb................


PS---In a Chaldean Book I have--instead of "Remember me" it is "Conjure it!!"---so take what you will from that--I felt it necessary to state that............

This post has been edited by Suxur-Mash596: Sep 30 2006, 11:52 PM

Greetings Frater Eabatu,

You are 100% correct.

Also Dingir means God.

Zi Dingir Enki Kanpa!

Hi Traveller,

You might want to invest in http://www.amazon.com/Grammar-Akkadian-Har...6555262?ie=UTF8

if you are going to get serious in the study.

Here are some links to Maklu spells I got from distilliate a while back.

http://arutkural.tripod.com/sumstudies/sum-incan-1.html

http://arutkural.tripod.com/sumstudies/sum-incan-2.html

http://arutkural.tripod.com/sumstudies/littexts.html


Zi Dingir Ea Kanpa!

Those are actually from the Udug-hul (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif)

This post has been edited by distillate: Oct 1 2006, 10:29 PM

Thank you, thank you.
I dont want to intone something I really dont understand, and I have been worried due to the constant putdowns the Simon necronomicon has as a fake, and also if real, the fact that is a copy from sumerian gliphs to greek to letters english letters. Plenty of chances for words to get mangled.

It appears I was wrong in my above post. The PSD dictionary lists 'si' as 'remember' (an no other word) but I think I got it wrong.

The book 'A sumerian reading book' by C.J. Gadd (1924) has the following ending of a prayer (reading XXIII page 157):

zi an-na her-pad zi ki-a her-pad
In the name of Heaven, be it conjured! In the name of earth be conjured!

Where the 'zi' sign is different from the 'si' sign I thought of earlier (and also they skip the dingir, but thats no problem). Maybe Zi is some sort of gramatical contruction (BE it ..?), her-pad is 'conjured', and that leaves Kanpa as a possible 'remember'. I'm still trying to track it down. I think I'll go ahead an buy more books on the subject (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

So, now I got all the cuneiform signs for it except KANPA (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I looked at the links provided and the correlation of sumerian to Tamil language is very interesting. Also the same phrase shows up in one of their citations..60 zi an-na he-e-pa zi ki-a he-e-pa ( Be you adjured by heaven, be you adjured by earth) in sum-incan-2.html I'll try to track donw the original source and original cuneiform.

The search for Kanpa, and the rest of the encantations, specially Gibils since I am staring to entone it often continues. I'll repot on any progress.

Question:
1) How do I upload jpegs or images or imbedem in the post? I would like to upload the cuneiform of the incantation and probalby the names of gods I come accross. (If I hit reply I dont see any button or way to add an attachment)

2) Does any one know of a sumerologist (professor or student) I could correspond by email and ask questions?) (form example could 'her' really be pronouced as Kan and then we would have Kan-pad or kan-pa?)

Thanks,

Traveller.

Try contacting professor Tzvi Abusch, Ph.D. http://www.brandeis.edu/departments/nejs/F...nchor--Tz-21879

He has extensive knowledge of the Maqlû Tablets

This post has been edited by distillate: Oct 3 2006, 07:51 PM

OK, my quest for ZI DINGIR ANNA KANPA ZI DINGIR KIA KANPA continues.

Bought 'Devils and Evil Spirits of Babylonia' by R. Campbell Thompson written in 1898. In it he provides transliterations and translations of magical tablets but not the tablets themselves. The tables can be found at:
http://lib11.library.vanderbilt.edu/diglib...code=ABZU&auth=

The nice thing about some of this tablets is that sometimes they are bilingual and provide a translation on Akkadian. The phrase ZI ANNA KANPA ZI KIA KANPA in akkadian is:

nish shame(e) lu-ta-ma-ta nish irsitim(tim) lu-ta-ma-ta (cant show diacritic marks here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) )

So KANPA is lu-ta-ma-ta, sometimes spelled as lu-u-ta-ma-a-ta in akkadian. (But I have looked in akkadian dictionaries and have not found a translation in english yet). R. C. Thompson translates the phrase as: 'By Heaven be thou excorsised! By Earth be thou exorcised!

As far as the sumerian gliphs, I've compared them to Deimel's sign list available at:
http://www.cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/LAK/index.html

and ZI is sign 468, KAN is 644 and PA is 423

C.J. Gadd's reading book (1924) uses the same signs but transliterates as ZI=zi, KAN=he, PA=pad and translates as:
'In the name of heaven be it conjured! In the name of earth be it conjured!

Moving ahead about 80 years get get from the online sumerian dictionary at:
http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/nepsd-frame.html

ZI=zi [Life] first sign, KAN=he2 [BE], PA = pad3 or pa3 [FIND]

So far I got Exorcised!, Conjured!, Adjured! and of course, Remember!. I dont think the experts really know what it means,
But now I know how to write it in cuneiform (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (maybe later, after I figure out how to do it, I'll post the images of the cuneiform signs.)

If I figure out anything else on the meaning, I'll write as well. I have the Uddug Hul book on order an hopefully I'll get more info from there.

Traveller.

From the ePSD:

Kan-Gate, door

Pa-Branch, wing, or frond

Hmm, lets scratch Pa and go with "Pa e"

Pa e-"to cause to appear"

So perhaps a possibility would be "To cause a/the gate to appear?" Surely demanding that a gate or door appear would fit with the many uses of "Zi Kia Kanpa." Perhaps calling the spirits of Earth to cause their gate to appear around you. "Zi Anna Kanpa" would roughly mean "Spirits of the sky, cause your gate to appear!" This is of course assuming that Pa should really be "Pa e." To be honest, I would not doubt it.

I have been thinking forever that Kanpa means remember. I also believe that in the forward the spells translated Kanpa is given as remember. Thanks for clearing this up guys. I like to know exactly what I am saying.

Zi Dingir Ea Kanpa.

Ah, I tend to think when it comes to Sumerian, there are many alternate meanings to each word---but Ashnooks explaination tends to hold water though---but remember works as well. Keep in mind the Mad Arab says a number of times " the Gods must be reminded of their oath, for they are faraway."

So both meanings work, and the possibiltiy that they are simutaniously being used w/ the word KANPA.

This is after all a long lost system we are all trying to unEarth---so all ideas sholud be thrown out on the table I say!

I have been piecing together the full magic of these tablets over the past couple months. I think I have devised a great ritual to banish any hex from a witch, or any problem from a demon, or to gain back the favor of the personal God you may have angered. I will post my full ritual (which I am still in the process of testing) when I am sure of the results and accuracy. This ritual will work wonders for anyone using the necronomicon.

Brother, if ur ritual is accurate-I would love to use it as I am currently entrenched in some BS caused by a spell by a Sorceror. I dont think his spell worked on me personally, but he attacked a nother to get to me---now that is cowardly.

This post has been edited by Suxur-Mash596: Nov 1 2006, 10:06 AM

The whole ritual (Maqlû )was designed to be used against unjust sorcery and calls on the courts of the Gods in your favor, but it can be altered to winning back he favor of the personal God you may have angered., or extinguishing a demon. So in your case no testing would be needed.

What I find interesting about it is it seperated in to a series of rituals to be performed at certain times of the day and includes Gods on all sides of the panthean to come to ones aid. For instance the beginning opens with an invocation to the Gods of the night sky, then introduces the heavenly court of the skygod Anu and the Netherworld of Ereskigal. Second divsion in the Ritual is in the cosmic and divine area of the Enlil Circle (the Ekur). The third divsion is Shamash (and Girra), and his Daughter of the morning sky (goddess of dreams) along side them is Ea's (Enki) temple Which introduces Ea and Asalluhi (Marduk) in the Subterranean Apsu.

This post has been edited by distillate: Nov 1 2006, 02:18 PM

UPDATE still working on the akkadian. This ritual will get you out of any jam according to the akkadians.

This post has been edited by distillate: Nov 8 2006, 02:24 AM