Ive read somewhere that if you close your eyes and visualise a temple with your astral eye, imagine light entering from above filling it with energy, this will give you extra energy. Just been thinking about conjuring energy for something other than myself to use. Does anybody know this way of working if so could you post here please?

Thanks.

I can't post much . . . but

I do (sometimes) work in an astral temple-space . . and sometimes either induce or invoke energy into that space.
An astral "temple" or personal magickal space can be an excellent addition to your overall work.
A couple of suggestions:
spend real time (alot!!) making the visualized (imagined) temple as complete, vivid and detailed as possible. The more 'real' it is (starting with detailed and consistant) the better it will be for you
spend real time (quite a bit) in your space . . personal workings . . meditations . . inductions, before turning your work there to more "outward" intentions.
Create a space that is consistant with you . . . don't worry about what others (authors) present or suggest. Those are THEIR spaces/temples, not yours!!!

it WILL fade with dis-use . . . but once well established, it will never go completely away . . . . .

IMO, these kinds of spaces don't occupy any portion of the greater astral, these exist entirely within your inner astral field . . . I've never considered a concern about intrusion or interuption . . . other then those that have been intended and/or invited
As such, the energy induced or invoked has a very "me" "mine" sense about it, which is different then that I've experience "outside". Although, it doesn't seem to be a draw against my personal energy . . . . I don't really understand, but thats my impression.

This post has been edited by palindroem: Oct 4 2006, 07:10 AM

So I guess your saying that your imagining with your astral eye (inside the head with your eyes closed) your temple and concentrating on it quite hard in order to do things with it or is it being visualized with your mind (with eyes open), although the only other thing to do would be an OBE to a temple which i guess is not what your saying. But anyway you say it fades out? I guess u've not found a way of making this last at all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

What I was wondering the most about this topic is the conjuring of energy for something else. Not too sure even what for just wondered someone elses thoughts on the matter. What to represent in the imagination for this task.

This post has been edited by Coffee: Oct 4 2006, 02:13 PM

(this is only congruent with MY personal experience/practice)

I work with two different forms of astral projection.
One where I develope my astral body (BoL) and project in it into the greater astral.
Another where I develop an astral context (environment) within my personal "astral field" and operate within that

For me, these are very different astral planes and methods of operating. In one I am pressing out of my "sphere of influence" in a body, in the other I am creating a landscape entirely within my sphere.
(sorta 'As above, so below'... and vise-versa)
These are very seperate phenomona . . (although I think they do 'bleed' into each other . . . somehow).

I'm not sure where the energy that can be induced in MY astral temple comes from (maybe the above 'bleeding'?) . . .
but I know that it can be directed and formed like any other energy (just in larger quantities). For example, I've used it for healing someone. (of at least to assist in the healing process)

No, I haven't found a way to 'make it permenant'. I'm not sure if there is anything truely permenant in an astral environment. I'm sure that if I continued to work with it for a VERY long period with great regularity . . . it would be less transient.

But, in both approaches . . . I start the work as an imaginative process. All is Mind. Thoughts are things. Imagination is the threashold to the astral.

This post has been edited by palindroem: Oct 5 2006, 08:47 AM

You say about a sphere, is this one youve constructed? How can you see it whilst in your body too?
How could you use it for healing someone, what are your thoughts on this?

(there can be a few more valid replies for this then there are people considering it . . . I Know Nothing!)
No, the "sphere" I refer to, often called the "sphere of sensation", is a label (in occult theory) for the immediate energy body of the magician . . . the aura. I tend to consider it (physically) the extent to which my etheric body extends. Its the "place" where my "self" buffers and interacts with the greater energetic world. . . and the transitioning mechinism between my energetic body and the greater astral.
Within it, my "sphere of influence", is my etheric body, my physical body and my inner astral. (I don't know how any "higher" energetic bodies co-operate in this model)
Its the personal environment that we operate within . . . its my interactive field for understanding the "real" world.
Its my lense and medium.
(???)

I don't really understand the part about seeing it (or at least I don't know how to reply to that)

For healing . . . ? . . . what do you mean . . . "it"...?

Sorry to keep asking questions but sometimes things arnt understood too well. You could say something round but is it an orange or tomatoe. I think I see things in a different way but then I dont really know anything myself.
Correct me if im wrong of course but when you say of the shpere that sort of sounds to me like the shpere I know of that encompases all bodies?
Although as I say I dont know myself, but then I see the gray energy around my body that extends only a centemeter as a body that hosts these other bodies that can exist anywhere across space and time. I've seen something that I think ive read too and that is that one day I was smoking a spliff and my mother walked into the garden, when I looked at her I saw a few inches away from the gray energy a different aura which had multiple colors, a few inches away from that I saw a 2D outline. So I guess to think that there are many parts of the aura that exist in other dimensions/planes. Not too sure what to think.

Besides that I'm not too sure what to think when it comes to the astral. I've been astral but here when I accidentally died before. I've been to the lower astral, but what are you refering as the greater astral?

Yes, these could all be what I would call the energy-bodies or "astral" body. I'm sure there are a number of energetic "bodies" for each of us . . . none really can be specifically related to "this" or "that" outside of our own relationship.
For ME . . . I call the energetic layer that extends just outside my physical (skin, hair, gas) etheric. Although it describes something in my lexicon . . . its just a word.
Beyond that, within that, and containing that . . . (for me), is the "sphere of sensation" or "sphere of influence" . . . its really just esoteric hyperbole for the phenomonal frame of reference or context of interaction between you (all your bodies) and the bigger world / greater context / macrocosm / reality.
My model . . . there is an astral environment WITHIN my set of bodys . . . and there is an astral environment outside my bodys in the greater context. That latter astral environ . . . in my lexicon, would be the Greater astral.
To me, the lower astral would be EASIEST to describe as part of the greater astral.
(I know . . . hence the easiest term . .)

Your questions are fine (though we may be wandering off-topic). I'm not sure I can really answer them, well enough.
Sometimes, even if we're talking about oranges and tomatoes . . . if its an esoteric discussion, the best we can get at is "its round" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I see what your saying and think it could be the same sphere or bubble! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Although ive heard of an energy egg too not too sure about that if its the same thing or not, could probably work higher up when refered to in a higherachy perspective.

Yes I have to agree that we have wondered off topic (wh00ps), although you say you can invoke energy for this, how would I go about doing so?
Besides that if anyone else is reading this topic it would be great to hear your point of view! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I was thinking more myself about using the astral eye, to visualize giving energy to something.

This post has been edited by Coffee: Oct 8 2006, 08:17 AM

This is kind of an older thread at this point. But, I was browsing through the sorcery thread and thought i'd offer my two cents. Hopefully by now you've started working with your own astral temple!

One method of actualizing the astral temple is to do as the buddhists do and create a mandala for it. This is a flat, two dimensional representation of your astral temple which, through your own devotion to the icon, becomes a sort of grand sigil which can 'house' your temple's resonance. Projecting into the icon afterwards makes getting into your astral temple very easy, and in addition to this, you can work through your temple's astral space symbolically by placing objects there that will, by your connection to the astral space, empower you. For instance, you might lay your mandala out on your altar and place a crystal at it's center, or a combination of crystals/sigils/etc., to create a sympathetic effect in your astral space, either before projecting so that the field will be there when you arrive, or simply as-is. This is great for self-transformation, but also for creating persistent magickal effects to be drawn on at will. As an example a crystal may be programmed to intensify an energy, and placed 'in' your mandala on top of a sigil to, say, encourage better tips from customers at your job waiting tables (example). This energy is in your temple, which you access while you work and channel into the bill, or the food, as you serve the customer.

Beyond this, methods for invoking energy into your temple abound vastly. You can do normal ritual energy raising there, like the QC, YHVH canticle, evocation. Basically, it is an astral ritual space where instead of briding your consciousness between the physical and astral spheres, you are going into the astral (the difference between inner and outer astral is a matter of gradient, it's the same space ultimately, but different 'altitudes') and working with energy there, which is more effective.

Any other thing in the astral can be called into your temple as a target. Any label - remember the customers? Calling up that concept, "All those people who become my customers" will invoke the 'mask' or 'label' of that title, and anyone thereafter who takes that title, is subject to that magick, see? - or target can be summoned there to have magick performed on it. Spirits, people, places, etc. You can make that as fancy or simple as you want. From placing a likeness of the person on your mandala - from before, remember? - and working with that energy when you arrive, to simply calling the person's name and their energy into the place. Usually that will take the form of a facsimile of the person themselves, assuming they have no protection which will interfere. Anyone with sufficient skill to shield their astral body, for instance, or anyone who is sufficiently devoted to a divine principle, is not subject to this summoning.

That's my bit.

peace!

Conjuring energy for something other than your self? I am going to guess you are talking about a spirit or servitor as you use the word something instead of someone. Whereas this type energy magick could be used in remote healing.

If what you are wondering is if a spirit can be fed through this type working the answer is yes.

I like to use the Sun Dance's FIre Bird wing flap to build up energy in this manner. Its a Shamanic practice and perhaps off topic here but its in my blog along with some shape shifting content.

Peace!

This post has been edited by Edunpanna: Feb 27 2007, 10:42 PM

greetings..i really like the works of the native american shamans.in my younger days i saw personally a medicine man who used to evoke the energies of the mother earth in his workings and every within his radius will vibrate with the feeling of earths energy.really wonderful..

I am so pleased to know that someone else uses this technique, and I would be most interested to know if you use a log as a podium or slate stone. Also do you prefer the sun at dawn or dusk, and does it work for you when it is raining?

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