Hello all:
I've noticed that the first pentacle of the Moon in the 'Key of Salomon the King (clavicula salomonis)' by S.L.M. Mathers, and the Nanna gate in the Simon Necronomicon are almost identical.

Could this mean that both are from the same (older) source, or the editor of teh Necronomicon used the Key of Salomon as reference?

Are the two magical systems (Key andNecronomicon) related? in oder words do the angels in the Key of Salomon have a one to one correspondence to the gods and other beings in the Necronomicon?

Thanks

I asked SImon this question a while back.

http://www.sacred-magick.org/index.php?s=&...indpost&p=15011

About your studys with the Lemegeton or the book within it The Greater Key of Soloman. Many years ago before I started getting much better results with the Necronomicon I was startled to find that one of the seals in the Greater Key looks very simular to the Nanna Gate. I am fairly sure that it was a moon spirit seal but do not quote me on that because I long ago turned my back on ceremonial magick as I began the transformation into the sorcerer I am today. It should be fairly easy to find in the Greater Key as it is the only seal that looks like the Nanna Gate. Any insight on that? It is well known that some of the seals in the Greater Key are also found in the 5th 6th and 7th books of Moses. Many of the seals in the Book of Moses are actually Egyptian in nature and not Sumerian. Ashnook tells me Moses died on mount Nebo. Deuteronomy 34-1 Deut 34-5. Any possible insight on the connection between the Necronomicon and that seal in the Greater Key?

I looked up the seal I am refering to. It is the 1st seal of Luna, Opens all doors and locks no matter what they are fastened with.
It looks like the Hebrew version of the Gate of Nanna.

http://www.sacred-magick.org/index.php?s=&...indpost&p=15061
Questions for the master sage Simon.

Deuteronomy 34-1 Deut 34-5. Any possible insight on the connection between the Necronomicon and that seal in the Greater Key?

I only noticed the similarity long after the Necronomicon was published. There is a reference to that similarity, I believe, in Gates of the Necronomicon which comes out later this year. Simon

On the four gates mentioned in the eighth chapter. I have long noticed that the 4 watchtowers or the north south east and west gates clearly oint to four gods by manner of describing thier attributes. My notes in my handwritten copy of the Necronomicon are the North Gate Silver Hunter from the sacred city of Ur is Nanna / Sin. The East Gate. The mistress of the rising star <Easten Star?> Queen of the Eastern ways very clearly is Inanna. South Gate. In the names of the mighty hosts of Marduk. Of course Marduk.
West Gate. Who else can offer protection to the priest from the underworld other than mistress Inanna? Of course Nergal. Any thoughts on the four watchtowers being 4 of the stars on the ladder of lights?

This is also mentioned in Gates of the Necronomicon. The entire concept of the ladder of lights is explored in much more detail, with referants to other occult systems from different cultures. (I am not trying to promote my book, here, though it may seem that way to some. Gates of the Necronomicon was originally supposed to have been published more than a decade ago, when Herman Slater was still alive, and the entire book was set in type and ready to go. What has happened to it, I don't know, but I suppose it will turn up one day -- a company was advertising it some years ago, but when they were contacted about it they dropped out of sight, so the book exists somewhere. The version coming out this year is based on that original manuscript, with a very few additions and virtually no changes.) Simon

On page 235 you hit the nail right on the head in a beautiful paragraph. It is one of your statements which shows how like minded we are possibly by being influenced by the same sources. The Elders. It also shows the good will you have towards this planet in general.
"One should always keep in mind that the Necronomicon magician is a unique type of occultist. Wheras most modern magicians see thier quest as a deeply personal one related to individual spiritual goals of enlightenment or individualisation the Necronomican magician has a broader social purpose and that is to defend this planet against the hostile forces that lie in wait both in the underworld and in the vast reaches of outer space. Etc

I feel this is an important element of the book, one that is usually ignored by its critics. Most grimoires reflect the greed and lusts of their intended audiences: get rich, get the woman of your dreams, obtain power over others, etc etc. Others, more dignified and altruistic, still emphasize the personal attainment of the magician. There is virtually no grimoire that insists on the social responsibilities of the magician; the two don't seem to go together. Yet, the thrust of the Necronomicon is twofold: one, the magician must prepare him/herself via the walking of the Gates and two, the magician must take responsibility for protecting humanity from the harmful forces being invoked by others. The grimoire appealed to my Sixties' sensibilities for that reason, for I struggled personally with this very issue: how to justify a personal, spiritual path when the war in Vietnam was raging and people were being slaughtered, and there was worldwide poverty, etc etc.? At the same time, how to devote oneself to helping others while, at the same time, ignoring one's personal salvation? Merely being a priest and performing the priestly functions was not enough. For those of us who know there is a deeper path, one that transcends the liturgies of the Church, it was impossible to ignore the reality of the occult technologies that not only existed, but were being misused by others: government agencies on both sides of the Iron Curtain. And we have to help the poor and the disenfranchised, no question. The Necronomicon seemed to present a mindset that enabled one to do both. Simon

I also liked your closing note.

The Necronomicon is a red flare lit at the top of a desert Ziggurat. The Necronomicon magician is a man or woman who has popped smoke to remind the gods we are here and to let them know the Earth is a hot LZ.

Exactly. Simon



Peace

This post has been edited by smasher666: Sep 27 2006, 10:34 AM

Hello All:
1) Has any one tried to use a gate (say the Nanars gate) in order to meet somebody? say person A and person B agree to enter the gate on Sunday at 10:00 pm. Would they see each other? could they talk to each other?

2) How long can you stay on a gate? I hear that after crossing the gate the first time you are sent back almost inmediately, but how about the next time? can you stay there and meditate for 1/2 hour? is so that could give enough time to synchronize appearances...

3) An experiment could be made in which person A and B agree on a time, and each has a secret phrase that only communicates to each other on the astral plane (to eliminate any wishful thinking of having 'seen' the other person) then afterwards they would contact each other on the phone and see if they got their phrases right. Any one up to the challlenge of trying?

4) I am not trying to diminish the religiuos experience here so if I offend, sorry; but this could have deep signiicance if the objective is to hold back the igigi and demons. A coordinated team of several persons that meets in the astral plane and then goes as a group to kick demon's butts outside the gate would be in keeping with the religious objectives (besides it would be so cool (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I apologize for the numerous posts, but I find all this very interesting, and also I am trying to get up to 30 posts so I can read the threads on the 50 names that I'm told are in the blog section

I plan on starting the rituals (that's why I cant experiment myself) but in the mean time I am praying to BARASHAKUSHU in the hopes that her cancer is still in remission (she will get the results on Friday).

Thanks to all (and to Smasher666 for the multiple responses to my other posts)

[ 1) Has any one tried to use a gate (say the Nanars gate) in order to meet somebody? say person A and person B agree to enter the gate on Sunday at 10:00 pm. Would they see each other? could they talk to each other?

My cousin and I have simultaneously opened a Nanna gate. We both circled 30 times and passed out at the exact same time. We did not see each other inside the Gate and we had totally different visions. I do think the gate experiance was better because we did it together. It was more powerful. Like I said we passed out. We have also tried walking Nebo gate at the same time from different places and we again did not see each other.

3) An experiment could be made in which person A and B agree on a time, and each has a secret phrase that only communicates to each other on the astral plane (to eliminate any wishful thinking of having 'seen' the other person) then afterwards they would contact each other on the phone and see if they got their phrases right. Any one up to the challlenge of trying?

It is possible to hook up in the astral. Inside a Gate I kinda doubt it as it is a totally personal experiance. Something that you must pass alone. I have hooked up with Ashnook in the astral before. As far as picking up each others phrases I doubt it. ALthough you will both have a simular experiance which will be really close because both of your minds reflect in the astral slightly different there are going to be just as many differences.

4) I am not trying to diminish the religiuos experience here so if I offend, sorry; but this could have deep signiicance if the objective is to hold back the igigi and demons. A coordinated team of several persons that meets in the astral plane and then goes as a group to kick demon's butts outside the gate would be in keeping with the religious objectives (besides it would be so cool (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Experimenting is important. I have been experimenting with the Necronomicon for almost 20 years now. The first 9 years of which I fell flat on my face and never even scratched the astral or the surface of the system. I learned by trial and error. And error and error and error. When I turned 22 I stopped being a greedy selfish power hungry evil bastard and the system magickally unlocked itself for me.

I apologize for the numerous posts, but I find all this very interesting, and also I am trying to get up to 30 posts so I can read the threads on the 50 names that I'm told are in the blog section

Nothing wrong with asking questions. And there is no such thing as a foolish question.

I plan on starting the rituals (that's why I cant experiment myself) but in the mean time I am praying to BARASHAKUSHU in the hopes that her cancer is still in remission (she will get the results on Friday).

Please contact me in private and add me to Yahoo messenger. I would like to help you with Barashakushu and your mother as would a few other people.

Peace!

Dude, I'll tell you what I have told anyone else who is starting out---Call ARANUNNA! He is the teacher spirit and vizier of Master ENKI. He will lead you in the direction suitable for you and only you. He is friendly as well--and a great listener. A kind spirit indeed!
But my suggestion is to call upon Aranunna. Once you feel comfortable, Marutukku should be next!

Good luck bro!

I take it from your posts in this topic you that your God's or even God had provided these astral lands for you to explore. When you stared off what did you have to do to go to these places e.g. praying etc. I found recently that as ive been reading about cosmic ordering if youve heard of it and have had a couple of experiences with Astral Projection. As I dont know of anywhere to go I guess i'd just wait to be shown somewhere as youre describing. I'm christian so I guess things would be different for me. How soon after you prayed did it take to do so, or is what you do deliberate?

Thanks.

Greetings Coffee,

The places being described or talked about in this topic are Gates of the Necronomicon. In short they are "realms" of various ancient Gods that we work with. You could say that an elaborate prayer, or ritual, as well as other objects are involved in unlocking that sphere in your mind and soul.

It's my guess that christians wouldn't use the same places in Astral travel?

I think it is very silly to assume that the rules are different for anyone simply because they are Christians. Rosicrucians for example are Christians with very open minds to the occult. However I would very strongly discourage a Christian from working with the Necronomicon if that Christian is viewing the Necronomicon forces as evil are not in one accord with the Bible. It would be extremely foolish to open the Necronomicon with that frame of mind and could prove to be ones undoing.

Yes i would agree that entering the book with that frame of mind would be very bad for them, but probably more so for the ones they love.

This post has been edited by Wickedone: Dec 18 2006, 04:35 PM

What do you think of this ?

If we take the Necronomicon literally there is no end to the Gates. The stars themselves are gates. I think passing Adar and the Gates as a whole has opened my mind up toward the survival of mankind.

People in the past with minds like our have been persecuted for thinking outside the box.

The combat is within the self as well as within the Gates. The demons that we confront are our own demons as well as the demons of mankind.

My family is something I have long forgotten. So these words ring true for me.

The battle of the self does seem connected to the battle for survival of Ki in many ways.

Peace!

Those words are from simon, I think we can all relate to it once we decide to take the journey. Even know me and simon don't see eye to eye on things it is nice to know that he is practicing the magick.

PS: I still see the Nec as a great peice of choas magick.

This post has been edited by distillate: Feb 9 2007, 03:49 PM

Greetings 'distillate' ,

It certainly has some Chaotic elements. Perhaps there are some connections. Anyt links you see?

It is good to look at things from a different angle. Which I know you do!

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Peace

It is interesting Chaos Magic, Ritual Magi, Ceremonial Magic, and all the wonderful words we use to describe a process of being effective in self-development. Whether an individual is casting a spell, or trying to see the future, it all comes down to trying to develop oneself. Sometimes though, depending on where the person's mind is, it can be whimsical or effective.

What Simon is commenting on is the need of development of true self and survival in this plane and beyond.

What is the system of GateWalking? why is it given such importance in the Necronomicon?

The GateWalking process is a system used to enable one to fully develop the astral body. The benefits of a fully developed astral body encompasses all aspects of life. Thus, as the Priest passes each Gate they are given the key to understanding and unlocking a part of their own psychology that was once ruled by outer forces. How so?

First, we must consider what is the astral body? Different than popular opinion, tha astral body is the complete mechanical composition of our thoughts and emotions. We were born with these tendencies and that's why natal charts look so awe-inspiring because of their accuracy. Yet, regardless of how accurate these natal charts can be, they also show us how much in prison we really are. How controlled we are by outer influences. Our bodies have certain mechanical tendencies and so do our thoughts and emotions. Our thoughts and emotions are just as real as any physical matter. To refuse to believe such, is to only believe what the five senses reveal to us. Does the world still look flat to you? Yet the same outer forces that rule our being can be unlocked by going within and effectively mastering the inner elements that are influence by the outer force. Every prison has a Gartekeeeper right?

The ironic thing about all of this is that our being is not a physical body, nor a thought or emotion. For the most part, if an individual goes through life uninitiated, then they go through life with no emotions or thoughts that come from within, but thoughts and emotions that are sent to the mind and heart by outer forces. Isn't that how the future can be predicted.?

The GateWalking system takes us on a journey of observation. Observation of the thoughts and emotions that we posses, but are not fromus. From there we are able to allow the spark within to grow and become strong (Isn't it important to first feed the Watcher? a.k.a. The Observer?) -by being able to escape the psychological prison. Meeting the Gatekeepers and Walking through various parts of our minds and hearts to become rulers over them, when so long we were ruled by them. This is why most of the dangers described in the Necronomicon and other serious forms of magic are not for the weak-minded. To destroy what they have not yet possessed, real self, can be a real tragedy.

Yet in Walking the Gates with true sincerity, we become master over those outer influences, namely our minds and hearts and the stars they relate to. It is only by this that we hacve true will. It is only then that we can create true change. It is only then that we can perform true sorcery!

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You hit it right on the head bro! I happen to think once one gets going on this path the gate walking happens each and every moment in life I have noticed. One is forced to deal w/ the shadow side of the self and the lessons of each gate are imparted onto thee before one even walks the said gate. I think if one recognizes these things when you do walk that gate it is easier to discover the lesson for thee inside of it.

I couldn't have said it better!

I will be 33 in may and from the age 15 i had numorus copies of the simon book . and i will say that with or without the necronomicon life has it's gates to pass. Necronomicon however mgnifys them many fold and lines them with the more pertanent things we NEED to know . Mankind is failing at what it was put here to do and dwawing darker forces here , whatever you call them Anciant Ones or satan or well you get my point i feel the necronominos gates are to reteach us what we long ignored as a race , in hopes that the few may stave off the ingorce of the many and the terrable price that ingorance will exact
for those who would no see the books power and perpose as no more than a hoax all i can say is use it for what it was intended for and you will find in your walkings that the only hoax is what we as man have made of this world that the gods made for us, and maybe a way to make things right with them again

Just my 2 pennies on why walking ALL the gates are so important.

And remember we can never hope to hold power over the gods, that leads to bad things
seek the gates instead for what they CAN inpower you to do , and thats help the gods help us to help our selves

This post has been edited by papatwilight: Mar 31 2007, 02:41 AM

"If the aspirant is brave, honest and righteous enough to fully develop (as was already mentioned: brave=despite intentional setback, honest=true mettalic content, and righteous=like good herb), and this is in Their view, not from the human perspective, then the Gods will one day stand together. And that perspective changes too as the aspirant evolves, as ever more delicate manipulations are revealed." That's what i'm getting. As usual i have no idea where this is going. The data is confusing (perspective?), so give me a shove in the right direction if needed, please.

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Very interesting.


I compare the idea of humans gaining a form of immortality to the concept of Ascendants in the Malazan series of books by Steven Erikson. Men can evolve to something other than men, and then even into gods if conditions are right. A qoute from the series

"Sorcery could be the ladder to Ascendancy - a means to an end...'"

Heaven is being created as we speak. Just think about it.

I have not passed the gates so perhaps i misunderstand, but wouldn't the survival of mankind be found in selfless acts instead of the preservation of the self. Not that you couldn't have your own identity as a selfless being. To me the Nec gradualy moves you to a darker road. I feel that it is possibly left handed entirly. I think there is a great play of symantics.

However i do know that it works very well, but when I have used Nec magick for good it only turned out bad. I am very intrested in the Nec but i suppose that i have not learned to work it properly.

There is a broader range the energies of the NEcronomicon are using. To use it for "good" on one small matter by which that "good" disrupted another greater "good" somehow down the road. And byt hat process it disrupts another "good" even further out. So in turn by not utilized foresight by using magick to do one "good" the other grerater "goods" have been disturbed and possibly annhiliated all together. remember that by using magick you are in turn working w/ "charged magickal currents"===kind of like the astral is a sea, by using magick you are taking the momentum of one currnet and ,by your will, are directing it another direction. So if you direct the current in the improper or in efficient direction you are sending disruptive waves out and in time will return to thee.

My point is, "good" and "evil" become subjective when dealing w/ the nature of the universe. Its all cause and effect, the good understanding of probability.

Its a book of mainly exorcisms against demons. It was written for the preservation of the universe. Sure it has some demons listed in the Urilla text but only enough information is given to really screw you up. To me its the same theing as the Torah or Koran.

I guess its all a matter of perspective.

Peace!

A man of knowledge lives by acting, not by thinking about acting, nor by thinking about what he will think when he has finished acting. A man of knowledge chooses a path with heart and follows it; and then he looks and rejoices and laughs; and then he sees and knows. He knows that his life will be over altogether too soon. A man of knowledge has no honor, no dignity, no family, no name, no country, but only life to be lived, and under these circumstances his only tie to people is his controlled folly. Thus a man of knowledge endeavors, and sweats, and puffs, and if one looks at him, he is just like any ordinary man, except that the folly of his life is under control. Whether his acts were good or bad, or worked or didn’t, is in no way part of his concern.

Knowledge is means to an end.Ultimately all knowledge ceases in the Infinite.