If you are beginning in working with Psionics I'd suggest going to www.psipog.net as it has good articles to start you out. Plus I suggest trying out psi balls to start you out so you can get used to manipulating energy than you can go to other areas but this is only a suggestion you don't HAVE to start out with psi balls*. It may take you awhile or just a few seconds to get psi balls as it all depends with each and every person's own ability.

Well good luck to you on your journey in Psionics! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

*Zahaqiel's interruption: KI balls! Ki! Not psi! Psipog has this nasty habit of taking something old, and making it "brand-spanking new" and all their own. "Psi" in this usage, corresponds to ki (or chi or prana), as does all energy manipulation - hence why it is also advisable to look into some of the soft-form Japanese martial arts if you really want to get good with ki.

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psi is proper....ki/chi is an eastern term....its age is debateable. the greek letter psi is used in most western magic tradition to classify a host of phenomena. If your argument runs true, then stop using the flaming "k" when you say MAGIC(K)....it's a Crowleyism! 'hack, hack!'
psipog site is excellent!
manipulation of chi can be obtained in any number of eastern disciplines.....besides Martial Arts! Tai Chi masters are awesome to behold!

Yes there are many names for energy or whatnot. So I choose to use psi as I'm pretty familar with it. But ki sounds right too but I guess whatever floats ones boat I would say...

I tend not to use the "k". In fact, I only use it when people make the arbitrary distinction between slight of hand and magic - I don't see much difference.

Making PsiBalls - the one thing I can do right now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/victory.gif)
Relax and cup both of your hands near each other, close your eyes and imagine intensely a ball of light starting to form denser and condensed between your palms as you focus your attention more into it. Remember, relax! After a minute or so doing this, you should begin to physically feel this magnetic ball in your hands. There you go. Your first Psi Ball (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Making Magick Mirror:
Astral Workings Articles Read up on Scrying.

Well there are a few points to making energy balls from my experience. First thing is that it will help you in energy manipulation so you will be able to go to the other areas of Psionics like telekinesis. Secondly you can use psiballs for pretty much anything that is within your own ability. Such as using a psiball to send a message to someone far away. Well that's what I've found what psiballs can do, most likley they have MUCH more purposes that I haven't come across yet...just go to the website I've provided and read the articles there about psiballs.

About Scrying... many surfaces can be used... If you want to make a scrying mirror (which yes technically is a magic mirror Snow white style) take a peice of Glass and paint the back of it black... Inexpensive scying mirror... you can etch some sigials or whatnot into the mirror if you feel like it. As for Psi Balls or energy balls I close my eyes and focus in between my hands sending energy...( be it whatever energy you feel like releaseing at the time) through the centers of my palms, you might feel an elecrtical sensation going down your arms and through your palms, then again you may not, some do some dont. You may feel the energy in between your hands it will feel warm, then again like before you may not feel anything... just know it is working. As soon as the ball is to you liking release it... Its known as rude to throw it, expecailly at people...

My two cents,
Justice

Hey I'm into this sort of thing .... I visualise a ball of energy which I build betwen my two hands ... I increase the ball of energy into a form so powerful I cannot push my hands together .... I once threw one of these resultant balls at a friend during a workshop and she was sent flying into the wall .... we then built an energy in the same way then sent it into the ground as roots of a firm oak tree ... we had other friends trying to push us off our feet which they found to be very difficult to do ....

Try building the same type of ball of energy then casting it into an open flame imagining the ball is a very flammable substance ... the more powerful the visualisation the greater the resultant effect ....

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I used to get friend's children to imagine the same balls of energy and then conjure up all kinds of different things to do with the ball of energies ... the serious side to it was we would introduce the children to their own auric fields and their own biochemical energies ....

One friends child imagined the energy like a hand and used it to open a door

This post has been edited by Mr_Merlin: May 6 2005, 03:03 PM

Do you need a lt of belief that it's there? All I get is heat and no "effect"....

Belief WOULD help by, in my opinion, DOUBLE the effects of the psiball being there. And by "no effect" you are reffering to the magnetism feel right? If so just keep practicing, the heat you feel is STILL an indicator that you are succesful at making the psiball.

The BEST thing to do in my opinion is to keep practicing until you get it! Well good luck to your training!

I have to counter the word belief slightly...

At first its a matter of belief, but belief isnt enough. It's not about belief in the energy ball youre making, its a matter of knowing your making it. Then when you get more advanced in skill, its a matter of knowing that its already been made...

Belief is enough to get people to do the exercises. Its not enough to get results. You have to KNOW... You know the feeling of a ball in your hands, You know the heat the energy creates...

Believing is basically having faith. Faith proves nothing. This is a form of science. There for it is a KNOWN art. Take you hint from science and KNOW...

Sorry if this turns some ears, or upsets someone. That was not my intention. My intention was simply to assist. I did so as I KNOW how. I passed on KNOWledge given to me.

And Wiseone is right. Belief helps, but after so long, belief is not enough. Belief can lead to doubt... If you doubt you will be unsuccessful...

Another thing Wiseone touched on that is correct... Practice. Practice all the time. whether physically or mentally. Practice in all things makes perfect... A good example is the LBRP ritual. When most start it they often dont get tangible result or any result. The more you do the ritual, the more you know it, the more it becomes a part of you subconsciously. And the more you do it, the more you will notcie things begin to happen...

Magic is all BELIEF ... if you don't believe in anything you do then it won't totally work ....

This is where the wondrous Magic Child Within comes in !!! If you can retain the child .. and the imagination ... then you are half way there to success ... a child can accept and believe things more readily than an adult .... !!!

Thats true initially as I said. But eventually its all about KNOWING... Beleif gets replace by it. And once it does, then the real fun begins...

A good example. During evokation, its not simply enough to believe that you are god.

you have to KNOW with authority,

Shikes ... I never thought of it like that .... yes !!!

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Excellent debate ... or excellent verbal slathering .... !!!

Can see the sketched deity coming out in you ... that sketch was you incidentally????

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First then you have to have belief ... then you must play the part with absolute conviction ... as if you were really that being ... yes ...

yes ....

Like us human beings .... we are a soul ...

In a body with a name .... the body has a personality all of its own ....

We then are made to BELIEVE that is it ... that is all we are ....

then we all play it with absolute authority 'cos we believe in the part implicitly ...

So all human beings take part in a ritual then .... the ritual of material life ...????

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TY-TY... Curtsey, Curtsey.

The sketch is Isis, Goddess, Priestess, Woman. To me there isnt much of a difference.



Yes and no. First you have to believe... Then you dont play the part, you are the part.

How many religions of the world tell us that we are gods? The bible does, amongst many others. I beleive (here comes the belief twist that connotates doubt) that the phrase is "oh, ye of little faith. Do ye realize that we are all Gods? Made in his image AND likeness." Its really been too long since Ive read it for me to be quoting it. But you get the jist of what I am saying.

And hopefully now you can see how belief can lead to doubt. And when you doubt your own magick you are sending energies out into the cosmos that can sabotage your magick. YOU MUST KNOW. Knowing comes with time however...

A good example are the gifts you have. You KNOW you have them. If you said you believed you had them, it becomes a double edged sword.

1. belief in this sense denotes uncertainty and could lead to doubt.
2. it would mean that you werent sure of their existence, hence another form of doubt.

Here again, we dont play the part. We BECOME the part. Through knowing. And its not what we believe as far as having a body with a name. Its what we KNOW. We KNOW we are body and personality. But you failed to list where that personality comes from... The personality is the only internal part of our minds and spirits that shine through to the outside worlds...

Since these things are ours, we KNOW them intrinsically. For they are part of us. We dont believe we have a personality, we KNOW we have a personality.

As far as all people taking part in a ritual, yes all do to a point. The ritual of life. Some of us expound on that and take it to then next level is all.

*Eyes widen...*

Woah... then my obsessive RolePlaying has defenily paid off...

So If I KNOW that Iam the legendary UniOne, then I will BE the legendary UniOne...

At last, my two year goal has finally been reached... Now I AM the Uni...

Role Playing does pay off in magick... It helps build imagination, which in turn helps strengthen visualization, which when combined with the proper energies is the key to the majority of spells, incantations and rituals...

as for the rest of your post, I hope youre trying to be funny. Thats all i can say without seeming disrespectful.

YOU are YOU. You are not some character in a roleplaying game. You might believe in this character, but deep down you KNOW its just that. a character.

True... but I have tried to complete the process of Unification, the ability to wield the powers of light and darkness in unison... For two years, I've been altering my personality to be better at the balance of these two forces....

I roleplay as myself, well, more like I roleplay what I want to become... the legendary wielder of light and dark...

To think is to believe is to KNOW... I KNOW how to BE the legendary Uni-One, I KNOW who the Uni-One is...

I am the legendary Uni-One... The Uni-One is me... I am already this... It's just taken me too bloodly long to relize it...

But killing doubt is a pain in the butt... stupid brain... It thinks tooo much...
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This post has been edited by UniOne: May 11 2005, 07:41 AM

I agree it is not about believing or even faith, it is about knowing, absolutely knowing,
you never question what you know.

As for using energy balls, well they do make fantastic weapons (IMG:style_emoticons/default/black eye.gif) LOL

I have become quite adept at forming them one handed, and launching them
at a target, oh and baby Dragons love to eat them as well. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif)

This post has been edited by Saintgeorge: May 11 2005, 08:09 AM

Greetings!
UniOne, I'm waiting for a reply to my PM. Your revelations are interesting but they don't belong in this thread. Move them to the Coffee House or a Blog but keep them out of Psionics and in a Forum better suited to your situation. Capiche? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/diablo.gif)

Belief is a good tool, but don't let it become self-delusion.
Belief is a tool of changing the way you interact with the universe, not the way the universe interacts with you. Example? You can believe you can fly, but that isn't going to stop you becomming pavement pizza after jumping off a tall building. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fie.gif)

Like any tool in magick you should not become reliant on it, nor should you be unwilling to set it aside. The best banishing is laughter, stepping outside your magickal paradigm and becomming a rationalist who KNOWS that the demons that are attacking/tormenting you are just a fiction, a figment of your imagination.

Roleplaying is hard to define, but for me it is best described as the act of trying to fool others with false stories of great magickal experiences, demons hunts, trips to hell etc. Paradigm shifting is the act of stepping from one belief to another for the purposes of magickal progression. The first is delusion, the second a powerful tool.

This really deserves a thread of its own, so I may split this off into a new thread if it gathers enough interest.

Oh... yall can delete all my posts here... I don't need them...

heya, just saying when i started psi balls they werent cupped and were about five inches apart, just last night i made one about a foot in width, drained some out of me and went to sleep right afterwards

Can I just say sorry about this but you are right and wrong. Depends on view your view though. If you have in mind a scale of one to ten then knowing is at ten for your belief.

Thanks.

Can I say that you are already that much a part of the world if you didn't exist with a body.
And the universe can change with you.

This post has been edited by Coffee: Oct 9 2006, 05:12 PM

There are different ways of creating energy/psi balls and just wondered if anyone know what the difference makes?
Thanks.


Justice_Angel :

I was wondering about your mirror that you send energy through and wondered why you chose to do so?

I read that website they all lie and are lying there I never seen anyone make a real visable psi ball it would take a lot of energy you have to learn how to drink energy from the universe and space.

Do you see ki anywhere in there. If I recall correctly, ki is the name for a subtle form of energy which flows through the subtle body via meridians, while "psi", as indicated above. has a totally different meaning. You can argue that they are different names referring to the same thing, but that would be done through inference and the original creator's of the term merely coined it as a way to describe all of those nifty little abilities.

The author was correct. PsiPog blends esoteric thought with para psychological thought, but this is done so as not to provide such a steep learning curve. As far as psi balls and ki balls, I have only seen a few people make them successfully. I have the ability so see and percieve energy and feel it. A lot of the people who say they are making balls of energy are just making balls of air or their own imagination. PsiPog works on the basic foundation, such as sensing and learning how to get the energy to flow, but for people who are naturally gifted, it sucks. Seriously, if you are already a strong empath or a telepath and are trying to keep from being overloaded, the best information that is on the site is "shield" and depending on the case, that is not very good. Or let us say that you are generating and sending out too much energy. The most helpful information on that site is ground. They don't deal with the psychological aspects of it at all. Trust me natural psions suffer alot of angst. It is a good site for people who don't have any experince at all and are working to develope it, but bad for people not in that category.



Can't make a "psi" ball visible, but I can make my energy visible. I captured it with my webcam during a failed TK attempt (I suck at telekinesis micro pk is my thing). Not only that, I showed a family member of my and they said my hands seemed to glow. I took pictures of it and asked people what they saw and they said they saw an outline of my energy. Anyways, I am not sure if that is my energy on the recording or something else, so I am hesitant to show people, LOL.

This post has been edited by telempath: Nov 17 2007, 03:44 AM