Hey, I was reading a bit about egregores and I came across something interesting. There wasn't a whole lot of information on it but apparently there have been cases where if enough power is combined, like in the instance of a full-fledged coven, it is possible to create a physical entity. Does anyone know anything about that or know where I could find more information on it?

This post has been edited by Thorn: Oct 21 2006, 04:18 PM

Konstantinos's book "Summoning Spirits" has information on this. There is a spirit in his book which can teach how to create physical egregores as well.

I first heard about it in connection with Alexandra David-Néel and her time in Tibet.
Although I personally have no direct experience or knowledge of the rites required
it may be a useful starting point in your search.


http://www.mysteriouspeople.com/Alex_David-Neel2.htm

I must warn. For summoning any egregores, be sure to have them do what they must and banish them right after their job is done. Egregores are created to do what they're told, but after; they're free with their "free will" and the first person they'll attack once strong enough is the summoner, as he/she's the only one who has power over them.

Make SURE to banish after they're use is done as they can be quite sinister and greedy little fuckers as i've heard.




Also; you can find more information on this in these two books by Konstantinos:

"Summoning Spirits"

"Gothic Grimoire" <- Really good read.

Physical Egragore eh . . . .

Probably the most famous western type . . . the Golem of Prague
Can you (or I or anyone we know) make one . . . probably not . . . but wouldn't it be fun. What a great toy

This post has been edited by palindroem: Oct 23 2006, 04:36 AM

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My favorite faq from that site is:

" Can my golem be tried as an adult?
Contact your local authorities for the laws concerning golems. You may be considered liable for any destruction of property caused by the golem should you lose control of it at any point."

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Hmmm, thank god for insurance!

Hehe, I can just hear the call now: A=agent, C=caller

A: "Hello, $insurance company, this is $agent, how may I help you?"
C: "I'd like to file a claim."
A: "What is the nature of that claim?"
C: "Well, I created an egregore, and let it roam around too long without a purpose or somewhere to rest. It wound up trashing my house. Would this be considered an act of God, and therefore covered by my policy?"
A: "Sir/madam, I'm not certain that this would be covered by your policy. I can contact my supervisor, $supervisor will review the claim and get back to you within ten business days. Thank you for calling $insurance company and have a nice day."
*click, dial tone*

Konstantinos' Gothic Grimoire is a good read, if you can get beyond the "I'm so gothic my dog barks Bauhaus!" attitude. I'm an old school goth/rivethead and I find that attitude tedious at best. That having been said, he's one of the few writers in the Llewellyn stable that actually has something to say, and a lot of his energy work exercises are actually quite good.

I have read Gothic Grimoire and it does have a very informative chapter on egregores, although there's nothing more than a passing comment on making entities of flesh-and-blood, which I'm still trying to find more information on. If you know of any other books I might find something in please let me know:)

Very very interesting. I would love to make a real physical golem like the one described. The "from air" technique sounds really difficult, but I would be willing to give it a try if I could somehow find the right way to follow through on it. The other way with purified elements sounds alittle to simple to be effective.. but just incase anyone here manages to make a "Toy," let me in on it! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

My astral friend was an egregore, he is free now, he became a ------! He's always whit me, he tells me what i should do and what i shouldn't! And no, i'm not insane:P

P.S.: ------ is to avoid what he turned, since almost all of you guys wouldn't like to know what he is! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/knuppel2.gif)

This post has been edited by netzgewebe: Nov 10 2006, 08:02 AM

netzgewebe tell me i want to know!!!

side not you must like it being with you or something cause all yuou have to do is banish it!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

oh and quick question.. is it possible for your egregores to fight and argue with others if not your own (if you have multiples) when they are 'free'??