Has anyone met in person or on the internet claiming to be something only to start coming off as being crazy as a near total nutjob?

Uh, yeah that accounts for about 70% or more of the people you'll ever speak with about occult topics.

However, let's keep in mind that the occult world, and magickal experience all together, can be extremely subjective in nature, on often times two people who are just very different in composition will simply be unable to adequately express their ideas in a mutually comprehensible fashion. Some people are just not good at simplifying what they experiece.

I could tell you all about my adventures with the time/space curvature of post-memory in technical details, and you'd probably think I was nuts as well. Truth of the matter is, we have to speak about things which don't translate into words easily in terms of metaphor and allegory, otherwise the details are lost in an inadequate attempt to confine ideas that transcend physical experience and structured communication all together, to a conversation spoken in words.

I've misjudged a few eccentric occultists as crazy until I experienced what they had tried to explain, and realized that i also couldn't have explained it to someone.

Try to find common ground in the basics with someone who seems like a crazy. usually if you go from there, you can make a better assesment.

Now, teenagers claiming to levitate, fight demons, and kill their enemies with their brains, should be carefully examined. Most adults, fortunately, grow out of that sort of thing eventually - teenagers, at least in my experience, are the ones most likely to make wild claims about paranormal experiences.

peace

Awhile ago I was talking to a guy who I know from another occult site, he seemed to know what he was talking about, until...the next time i met him was on myspace, it had been awhile since I talked, however, he didn't seem as sane was he was then, he talked about how he was a member of a races of being created by a race known as the elders and how he himself is made up of million entities, talked about how asouls could be destroyed and never come back and then claimed they everybeing in the multiverse was going to go back to sue. He also claimed that a being he calls mother he is the leader of his race was in a place he called "the outside" and how to created a universe(the universe creating part was the only thing that interested me) of he talked about before talking aboutt he other stuff.

This post has been edited by Radiant Star: Nov 6 2006, 02:38 AM

Allow me to step up on a soap box because this is a favorite topic of mine.

There are several reasons why an occultist would loose touch with physical reality.

They could be suffering from a late onset mental illness. Sanity and what is real is a matter of perspective. I'm sure some rational people who have experienced magick have been put into institutions. (In fact I know one. Which is a good reason "To remain silent.") However, a well grounded occultist can experience other realities, dreams, and visions but understands this information is not meant for everyone. They are cautious about who they share this information with and if they do they discern how much information needs to be imparted.

Let's say an occultist is working in a haunted office. It isn't prudent to tell every co-worker about the spirits in the lounge. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Simply keep some salt or other protection that looks like office decoration at your desk and if anyone mentions the problem then perhaps open a dialog.

However, serious time and universe altering magick isn't for the faint of heart. It takes a strong will and stoborness to do that. Not only to accomplish the goal but to stand your psychic ground and deal with it. There also has to be a serious need.

This is one reason why major workings need a begining and an end. Even if it is spontaneous. Steps are needed to ground the energy, re-focus and become aware our physical surroundings. Move the body to fully reintigrate. And take as much time to digest what just happened. So the unbelievable can be processed.

A shamanic break is one term for a period of time when a magician can't tell the difference between events on other planes and their own, or spirits from physical people.

It would seem there are people who get stuck in that mental state for a very long time.

Magick can also become addictive. Nothing like the rush of having the power of the universe pour through you. A way to keep that in check is to remember that everything we touch changes us and we change it. One of the first people I worked with would cast a spell everytime someone annoyed her. And when she had to deal with the consequences she got even more pissed off. There are the lunatics and there are the crazy egotists.

So many teachers and books emphasize balance, balance, balance. It is the occultists who do not keep the delicat balance between mind, body, and spirit who leap off the deep end.

This post has been edited by Masery: Nov 5 2006, 07:35 PM

Good question and replied dudes...

Me what i find sucks is that when you see someone needing like a magical help like a sort of incantation or exorcism, when you talk to that to the person, then you are like those evil sorcerers and people start looking at you with a bad eye. LOL. so if you want to help someone too who is not familiar with magick, i guess just tell him that you will pray for him etc. But here also you are limited as you cant do much without the permission of that dude.



Over here there is a bad regard to magick and rituals thinking these as an evil act. one the exorcim that the christian priest or any other religion priest does is considered a good thing. LOL....

This post has been edited by mystick: Nov 5 2006, 08:22 PM

I have been subject to being "crazy" almost all my life, so what the people here say about occultists is true. Just a few days ago I was contacted by a spirit which is a very personal matter to me, and certain things happened that if I tried to explain there would be always some jerks who will try and denounce me any way they can.

Face it, people are sadists, however, there is something you can do about them:

Ignore them, act as if they don't exist.


Sorry if I got a little too carried away, its just that i've gotten a lot of shit from people, in this stage of my life, I keep little to no contact with anyone, as I feel this is the best way for my particular spiritual growth.

And I really don't care if anyone wants to call me a fool for this post, because everyone is entitled to their opinion. And if anyone does want to comment, go ahead, you do not exist to me.

My ex-bf fits the bill. He was one of the best magicians/occultists I've ever seen. He's also currently on psychotropics like I'm on anti-asthma drugs. NOT GOOD. I don't talk to him anymore, I don't need his crap floating around (and believe me, 'crap' doesn't begin to cover the half of it), I've got enough of my own, TYVM. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bones.gif)

Other than that, I don't come across many of the batshit crazy ones. Now, the ones that are incompetent and it's clear nobody's home (Read: people who cannot make a can of soup or tie their shoes by themselves), hell, those I manage to find by the sackful. Dunno why...

As for the previous posts about forcing a completely subjective experience into a little box so others can understand, that I completely agree with. And I don't trust those who don't take the injunction to Be Silent to heart.

This post has been edited by Darkmage: Nov 5 2006, 10:26 PM

This is probably because I was raised Catholic, but the first person I thought of was ME. Honestly though, for a guy who gets rid of his anger and hatred by summoning demons and making profane sigils, I think I'm pretty sane and rational. As sane and rational as that kind of guy can be.

I find that in most cases people with issues are mistaking the "subjective" for the "objective" and vice versa. Magick is about developing the power to choose which causal links to open and which to close. There has always been a solid logical reasoning behind adhering to the old adage of "ignorance is bliss".

Quite true. Trying to "open" ALL "causal links" which is a really good way of saying it, will drive you absolutely batshit. Another way of saying it is "you need psychic defenses." Gaining knowledge is part of the goal, but you can't just go the whole way at once. Every shock to the system is followed by problems, and then by growth. I don't see it as "subjective versus objective" but what I do see is that people see things and they don't know how to filter the information. Part of being an occult nut and surviving is developing a skepticism that the normal person doesn't have. Not the kind that makes you unbalanced, but the kind that's a foundation. I see it as pragmatism: this is bullshit but it works for its purpose right now. That's zen too. That seems to be coming up a lot tonight.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/ac42.gif) Well said.

Too many people in this field also fall into the trap of silly superstition, seeing meanings and/or omens in things that usually have nothing to do with them. Just because someone studies the occult is no excuse to turn the critical thinking faculties off. If anything, it's a reason to strengthen them, so the student can separate the truth (such as it is) from all the BS floating around out there. On top of that, it forces the magician to take responsibility for his or her actions. This is something that seems to be sorely lacking in many groups, not just those who study the occult or religions. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yawn.gif)

The real trick to being nuts is to be happy with it and not to worry about what people think about it.

The other trick is not to decide that something is the whole truth and to be open to there being truth on both sides; it allows enjoyment of believing in 'Great White Demons' and disbelieving in them enough to stay grounded when you need to be such as when crossing the road or chopping the veg.

I enjoy companionship with entities on the 'other side' and my life has been enriched because of that but in the physical world they do not exist in that I cannot sense them with my five senses.

I had a funny little comic strip just run through my mind of an entity on the 'other side' looking down at us and saying: "Don't worry they're not real and they don't last long either, look at all those graveyards"

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On the flip side whats disturbing is the sheer number of nut bears who actually believe the riddiculous stuff people claim. I mean really you think the things people claim make them nuts think about the number of just plainly stupid people who live in world of harry potter (or pothead in my case) who actually follow the craziest, most irrational ideas.

Humans are suppose to be evolving towards a higher form of intellectual being, you'd think at least. But from what I've seen, it would seem that mass tracks of the human race are de-evoling back into primates. Maybe homo-superior is reserved only for a few people.

Not sure that we are any more deluded than past generations really, some are just live their delusions in a different way, as in some viewers apparently believe the characters in soap operas are real, enough to tell them off for perceived wrongdoings on the street lol

My thoughts are that we just get to see them more, I mean the standard of TV and the types of people they show and are inclusive to be polite about it, but we are privy to more stupidity of all kinds from what people to believe right through to behaviours that years ago would have been frowned upon and not allowed to continue. So its no surprise that we have these people in the magickal world really.

Of course I say this as if I am totally within the norm in society, I doubt that many people hearing that I talk to things I and they cannot see would think so (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Well we are insane, you and me and most of the members of this forum, ask a standard doctor, tell him of your occult intrest, I am sure he could werify that you were absolutly coko. Insanity is described as seeing the world different from the sientific and religious norm of the culture that that person live in, we all fit the bill. Also one man`s insanity can be another man`s revelation. I have met nutjob occultist plenty of time, some were just playing it, making a cool persona of an ultra powerful magick user online, but many of them belive in what they did, belived dearly and then, who are we to say their belifhs as worthless or insane, they are just eccentric.

"Silence"

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I think it's very important to be silent about things related to occult experience in most cases. Especially with those not initiated.
I had a time where i was sky rocket up in the sky and wanted to share my experience with everyone. What i learned was that my experience lost mutch of it's personal value to me when i shared with what i will call Zero point personalities. I was just like someone has an energy that is vibrating in a very simple minded reality, and that my multi dimensional view could not be expressed in their sphere. And also that if i did it would be like kicking someone in a door, that me myself just had started to open. Would it be a right thing to do in respect for someone else, to kick them into a reality that is not been searched for, or wished for. I ended up in arguments with zero personalities, they where claiming i was a scizofrenic nutcase. I had to ground myself, start to think about what i needed to share, and with whom.

I think that when we are trying to express our experience to people who are not ready, or are not willing or intrested. You will sound like a deluded fool. Who gives you the right to change another persons destiny, by kicking up that door. Maybe it's just not fit for them to recive such a knowledge, maybe it will frighten and expose hidden fears.

There is mutch power in silence. Silence in itself is a principle of magick.

I agree, but i've stopped my contact with the physical world all together so I don't really have many to talk to. But that is true.

me = "total batshit crazy" (i totally love that description)

i've been called every name in the book, and some that weren't

i actually dare to believe that i can change physical reality as i see fit, and not 'within reason' either, then i dare even further to try and do it

no meds, no drugs, just sand and sky and sun and sea - and the moon - and lately coffee, lots and lots of capuccino stimulation of the synapses

muhwahahahaha

e.

This post has been edited by esoterica: Nov 25 2006, 12:24 PM