Stealing someone's soul is possible but involves high black magic which you will not find that easily in any way.You can ask some demons about that and if they find you worthy they may tell you about the methods.Method generally involves ability to destroy your victim and then capture its soul by means of a special ritual.Accounts of this practice can be found throughout history of all parts of the world.

Soul stealing nowadays is big business, but from what I have heard, the main problem is what to do with the soul once it has been taken. I remember talking to a chap who had bagged a few souls. His main gripe was that the longer he had had them, the heavier they became and that he was astounded at the amount of space, time and money each soul required in order to keep, maintain and pacify the needs each soul.

Eventually the souls became demons. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/922.gif)

Then you get some people who have a soul catcher. It is usually a small bowl made of wood. When an errant soul wanders too close to the soul catcher, the gravity of the bowl scoops the soul up and flips it lightly into the air where a passing breeze usually guides the soul back to where it should be.

The owners of Soul Catchers are very powerful sorcerers and are worth while cultivating as friends. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


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Tell that to Faust! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evilB.gif)

To be serious for a moment though, you can buy human souls on ebay. Sometimes you can even get them for five or ten dollars.

Satan doesn't steal souls. I haven't heard of any entity or even supernatural being, in that matter that does steal souls. Infact I wouldn't see the reason. Only a human would want to in my honest opinion.

Anyone out there that does want to steal souls is worth hunting down in my opinion! What reason does one have to do that? Only selfish egotistical Diabolical needs as far as I can figure! So that is why hunt the bastards down!

But that is my pissed off opinion..............

I tend to follow VagrantDreamer on this one. If the soul is purpose then stealing a soul is usurping another of their ability to develope, choose or use that purpose on their own. Sadly billions give their souls to religion or even political organization and what not. While the intentions of any established organization is not necessarily bad, in principle they are taking and molding people's purpose in life according to their paradigm. One who steals souls manipulates others into giving them their souls in exchange for something (salvation, wealth, happiness ect ect). The reason one would want to "steal" souls is gain control over others to amass power, authority, glory, their own agenda (they may think they're helping people by taking control over them). Cults are notorious in the ways they gain control over others - psychology and drugs often. But all it takes is coersing a person to devote their purpose to another. Doesn't mean they can never gain their soul back though. Sometimes people realize the empty promises they were offered and pull away to regain their own purpose in life.

Hmmm lol since I have started this post my views about the whole soul stealing has changed, I originally wanted to do that to ensure loyalty, forgive me for my cynical point of view but if someone gets their soul stolen then I believe it is their fault. It is always their choice in the end, but at the same time I cant help to think that I am actually stealing souls on accident. I have a "group" I dont necessarily want to call it a gang or a cult or anything because we dont do random acts of violence and I by no means trick people into joining. I love to write poems and speeches, and it has attracted many people who sympathize with me and my beliefs, some of them are more devout to me more than others, yet that is not my goal, I only wish to have power in numbers so I can change things, but consequently I end up getting those people who for lack of a better phrase "in love" with me.


But this brings me to my point, what of girls who fall in love with men who dont love them and abuse them yet they seem bound to them even though it is illogical, have these bastards stolen these girls souls? What of dictators such as hitler who with his amazing ability to sway people with his speaches to commit acts of violence that was before never dreamt possible, did he in fact steal all those peoples souls? lol forgive me for writing so much but I just got over a broken hand and not being able to type for a month nearly drove me crazy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fie.gif) lmao...well please give me your opinions (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hypocrite.gif)

You seem to be basing your beliefs and thoughts on "free will", and the "grey matter". You seem to also understand the universe clearer for the fact that nothing is black and white, but everything is inbetween, also known as "grey". I share similar if not the same beliefs on the matter.

You seem to have more of a LHP approach to the topic itself, interesting. Though i've never thought ot stealing souls, simply because of selfish reasons as to what the soul would do to me lest something goes wrong and he/she's freed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/oops.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fie.gif)

As is said: " nothing lasts forever ".

If you agree with what I believe I actually have created a profile on myspace dedicated to my group if you are curious... But besides that I have completely stopped with the whole soul stealing project but I have another idea but will save it for another topic.

Look, I'm new here, but I couldn't resist in adding my oppion to this topic: Stealing souls is quiet easy...bits of your 'soul' or spirit is contained in your hair, your skin, your nails, your bones, your saliva, etc: Collecting bits of these things is like collecting bits and pieces of a person/s soul. It's known that you have to collect these things to cast a simple spell on a person. If you are wanting to contain a soul, the jar or bottle idea someone mentioned is a good one. Suprised that no one mentioned the hair and nails thing. Anyways, that's enough for now, I've got to go to work. New here, so have a little patience with me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Well in my humble opinion, and in my personal experience I only need to visualize the person in my mind while meditating on that person....Ive never needed to have something physical of theirs...in fact to be honest I think thats kind a creepy (but then again there are plenty of people that think im creepy too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evilB.gif) lol)...the farthest Ive ever gone is a picture and that has always worked fine..

Actually, what you're referring to is an application of the law of contagion, and doesn't actually constitute the acquisition of a 'piece' of someone's soul.

A person's soul is not their body, nor is the body the soul, although it is the soul of the universe that ultimately results in the manifestation of a body, which is energy given structure, pattern, and ego.

However, if I cut off my fingernail, that fingernail only retains my impression through it's unique similarity to my physical context. Genetic code, proximity, connection to my energy by nature of the means by which it was produced, etc. Having it doesn't mean your magick is garunteed to get to me - that depends on your ability to utilize the law of contagion, and on my ability to be aware of and in control of my energy, and changes in it. It also doesn't mean you have a part of my soul, although with the proper knowledge and ability, perhaps you could get my soul that way - I highly doubt it's possible to just yank a soul directly through a weak link like that. Even with blood, i think what you're really looking at is just a particular part of a system within the 'target'. If anything could get you a soul it would be the person's blood, though. Being that it represents the vitality of the body - again, though, not a piece of soul.

peace!

I agree stealing souls is easy. Anyone who reads this I just stole your soul. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uglyhammer.gif) Thank you for participating. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pirate2.gif)

Assuming youve given your soul/purpose over to somebody how would you go about taking it back?

I had a conversation with a voice in my head after staying up 3 days on speed and not eating and the voice told me it was the devil and that I had sold my soul to it.

He then said if I wanted to get rid of him I would have to go to South America and purge my soul. When I asked how id do that he replied "With a plant". I automatically thought Ayahuasca.

Then again I knew about all these things so Im pretty sure that was just my subconscious spewing out information from my mind.

Greetings Xochipilli',

Amphetamines and lack of sleep are not a good combination. Most meth / speed actually can cause a state called Drug Induced Psychosis which is like temporary Schizophrenia. This can last for many months after you have stopped using drugs.

Speed is the devil bro. Don't get me wrong because I am not preaching. I have done enough myself to sink a battle ship. However that was years ago. I learned my lesson and moved on.

Don't take anything the devil says seriously. Of course anything he says is a damn lie. So even if it really was Mr. Lucifer then basically he said he does not have your soul and the is no need to go camp out in the jungle. Understand that it would just be un-Satan like for him to tell the truth about anything.

Peace!

My $2 after following this thread for a while:

Why bother? There are easier and more efficient ways to get what you need. Control over other people is an expensive waste of time. Better to control yourself and let everything else fall into place. And if people aren't loyal, well, welcome to the human race. Just make sure you cover your ass and all will be well.

Why would the devil TELL you how to get rid of him??? Doesnt that sort of beat the point of owning a soul in the first place??? And of all the dieties I would think Lucifer wouldnt be the type to tell you how to save yourself....hes more of the (go kill a bunch of puppies and Ill think about giving your soul back kinda guy) lol no offense to the satanists out there...couldnt help it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/banana.gif)

Because it was not the devil it was a demon or neg. You can sell your soul in many ways. Look at a cereal killer one in particular mentions that as he (graphic warning) rapes his dying victims the ground he does it on becomes "sacred".
By no mean do you need to be extreme like this but i think as a lucid dreamer its much easier to loose your soul if you choose. Many times the temptation is there and the offers come in many easy ways. Just look at the offer set before Castaneda in the art of dreaming. He can spend however million years with the inorganics (sorry its been awhile and the exact years elude me) in return he can never leave. Sound familiar? It should sound a bit like hotel california. You can check in but you can never leave. The same applies he was offered women knowledge or whatever he wanted but in the end his soul would be lost. remember the learnings in the art of dreaming though. In that realm you cannot lie but they played good mind games none the less. The offer from the death defier was likely close to the same thing. In return for part of his energy he was given a gift of power.

This post has been edited by Enochian: Dec 2 2006, 06:36 PM

Neophyte, Ego is the worst thing a magician could have. He will nwver aquire great powers.One can very easily take your soul and there is nothing you can do to prevent it. Noone can protect you and not by using magick but just using advanced technologie.

You totally made me smile! I'm not in any way new to what I do, but I'm new on the site.
AS for stealing souls, I've never tried. I know you can in fact fragment a soul, often this is a completely selfless act. I know souls can be destroyed (I have no clue what people here believe, but I know what I have seen), so I guess they can be stolen. I know what it's like to feel completely empty, so I wouldn't have it in me to steal anyone's soul. Hope this helps, let me know if you find anything else.

~Beast

I have yet to read the entire post. But i could not help from reaing the topic to think of Dommer. He swore (live interview) that when he raped and killed someone as he raped them that he could feel there soul leak out. And that the ground he performed this on was sacred to him after.

You can steal a soul for purposes of good or for purposes of evil. And yes it is possible to lose possession of your soul. But the thing is, you don't lose your consciousness in your soul. It's kind of like being sold into slavery. You are still you, but you no longer have any freedom.

Wha...? Let's consider that phrase for a second... you can steal a soul... for the purpose of evil certainly... but the purpose of good?

That's contradictory. If it were a 'good' purpose, why would you need to steal it? Stealing implies taking what is not yours, what is not owed, secreting it away from the person/place/thing who owned it. What good purpose could you have to steal a soul?

That sounds a bit like the idea of 'the ends justifies the means', which is an evil statement in and of itself, according to most philosophies.

care to explain that viewpoint?

peace

I can only think of one Vagrant and its only myth. A race of elder beings used crystal stones to hold there spirits after death to keep there soul from going to a rather evil god. But thats not takeing it thats allowing it to be stored in a harmonic stone.

Other than that i can think of no way that takeing a soul would be good.

Well vagrant, what about someone who is already evil? Say a child murderer, and you stole their soul.....I mean doesnt the ends justify the means....A totally unlikely situation I confess but then again so is stealing souls to begin with.

mmm, having never been in the presence of a person who was that evil, I can't confirm it for sure, but somehow I think those people have already given their souls up to the void, hence the twisted purpose they have taken into themselves.

And even if they do still have an intact soul, i'm not sure that's the sort of soul you want any sort of attachment to.

And in most cases, the ends does not justify the means. It is the means, not the end, that will usually mess you up by the time you get there.

What it comes down to is that 'stealing' a soul, comes from a position of ego. Stealing implies taking from someone/something for oneself, for whatever purpose. Outside the ego condition, such an action does not exist. Even if it is from someone judged 'evil' by those, it is also worth mentioning, inside the ego condition.

There is a better way to deal with that situation. If you are going to attempt to steal a soul, you're going to be fortifying the ego, seperating yourself from the divine, and thus pushing yourself to a lower density. Ultimately, it does you more harm than good.

You could argue the altruism of sacrificing your own nearness to divinity (in whatever form you choose to see it), by incurring such a condition on yourself by stealing the soul of someone you've judged to be evil, but in the end it's just selfish martyrdom, and what happens when you aren't rooted to a body anymore? The weight of that stolen soul is going to be a more realistic hinderence then.

You could say the ends justify the means in that case, but realistically there are other ways to go about meting out justice to evil doers, that would be just as effective, and far more selflessly altruistic.

peace

Like a bullet.....lol
Stealing a soul. I can give no better description than to say your stealing a little piece of god. Somehow i dont wanna be standing in front of him telling him i stole little pieces of him while in turn killing his children. No thanks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

yes. good point. Appropriation of the soul by bully-boy tactics (usually cowardice). Usually an employer who has you by the short and curlies but more often than not, politicians who steal the identities of an entire country to satisfy and puff up their little selves.

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Jesus died for us, a bunch of murderers and betrayers that mostly hated him. So no the ends dont justify the means. No one can take a soul anyways so it matters very little.
Lucifer and God take souls and we are non of the above.

This post has been edited by Enochian: Feb 2 2007, 02:18 PM

OK, I dont believe in god, therefore what you just said means absolutely nothing. And I really dont appreciate you adding in the whole "Jesus died for us" bit on the side, what the hell does that have to do with the topic above? I come here to discuss my opinions on subjects related to magick, and also, I was raised with a bunch of christians, studied their religion and Jesus and Magick dont mix very well, in fact last time I checked practicing magick gives you a one way ticket to hell...Nothing against you, I just am extremely opposed to christianity in all forms.