I was thinking about egregores tonight whilst walking home, and I thought... If we can create egregores or other spirits for ourselves via thought-forms, can we not use an object, or body of an animal or even human for these egregores to take place in?

I know this may need a lot of energy, but as we should take into account, the body's energy flows within the blood, and if the egregore knows how to take energy via psychic vampirism, then they can be vampiric egregores inside a body we have casted them into.

I get this thought from the concept of physically raising the dead (Necromancy), of using spirits and casting them into a physical body for as long as they can procreate the energy they need to stay intact within the physical. - Of course I do not encourage this as it is very rude and I see no reason to disturb the spirits who have transcended to the nether/underworld, but the "thought" of this created new ideas for me.

Thoughtforms are created in the astral and would need more energy to stay in a physical body and act accordingly with physical matters, so if one person would not have the energy to create such a being, cannot 2? or 3? or 10? or 100 people?

Once again, i'd appreciate your thoughts/views on this, those who have had experience with egregores and/or other spirits (primarly vampiric), and/or those of you who may know more than me on this matter.

Thanks once more.

*note: I made an extra post as this question did not fit in with my first, though they are similar, I did not want them to coalesce and seem as one question, for organization.

Ok first energy is not in your blood. Its everything, Everything you see ,feel ,smell literally everything in the world is comprised of energy. This is where the concept of the assemblage point comes from.
Seeing auras will verify this. everything is manipulatable energy. The present world you live in is only a reality because of the "belief energy" of all the world. Its easy to see reality is a bad term for here when you learn to slip your assemblage point or even use CERTAIN drugs.

The universe is all energy as well as us, does that make us one being? Yes it does, but are there not spirits from other realms, physical beings, animals (not to mention the different kinds), Plants, planets, elements, etc... One must delve into what the "energy" means in "smaller" levels (in more detail).

The spirit of the body which keeps it intact dwells within the blood flow, it is said (in Necromancy), that if you can raise a spirit into a physical body, it can feed on lifeforce via psychic vampirism to keep intact in the physical, since it would have no life force or (energy flowing within the blood streams). It is also said that one can escape physical death via vampirism and a strong will to stay within the physical body. Of course we know that the physical body dies when our hearts stop beating and the blood flow ceases in response.

Now to answer my question there'd have to be a deep analysis of this "energy" which is everywhere; and how to enthrall this energy within the physical body (the point of the egregore).

This post has been edited by DeathStalker: Dec 4 2006, 01:29 PM

When creating an entity you must be absolutely clear on every aspect of the entity from its functional purpose to how it “feeds” to survive. These beings are not intelligent and unless instructed will take the easiest path to fulfil a task and survive…this can lead to disastrous consequences (we need only to look at the story of the Prague kabbalist Rabbi Judah Loew and his creation of a golem). Though the process of feeding is somewhat vampiric you should really be in control of when and how it feeds and not give it free will. I guess the main problem of creating a vampiric egregore is that it may eventually grow to the point were you have no control over it.

The use of animals as housing for the entities is similar to the traditional idea of a witch’s familiar as a black cat, where the familiar is not the cat itself but rather the entity housed within the cat. There should be no problem housing an entity within animal as long as during the process of creation you specify how it is to feed so that it does not feed on the animal but rather on other external energies (unless your intention is to use the animal for the specific function of feeding- but this would be detrimental to the animals health, much like having a parasite). Theoretically this can be done with a human host as well, although I have never heard of any instances.

I’ve found it is more effective if the created entity feeds on energies associated with its function (i.e. an entity made to help a sports team win should probably feed off the energy released by the roar of the crowd). Such a command will ensure that the entity is most powerful when attending to the task for which it was created.

Giving an entity a life span is important as it representative of you (the magician/sorcerer) taking responsibility for your actions. If the purpose of your entity is to fulfill a specific task it would be wise to specify (at the time of creation) that it is to cease to exist once the task is completed. However, if your entity is assigned to an ongoing task (i.e. like protection) you can indeed instruct it to exist until your own physical death, in which case it would be wise for you to control the energy supply from which your entity feeds.

Greetings!
I will be brief. I think that the use of any vampirism in egregores is total lunacy. But that isn't the point of my response.

Form and Function follow one another. When you give an egregore the form of a wolf it will begin to display wolflike tendencies over and above its intended design. Archetypal forms will assert themselves...sooner or later, depending upon the depth into which you've gone into the creation.

Again, IMHO ...think twice before messing with the vampiric forms/attributes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lightning.gif)

Thanks for the imput guys, I just wanted to say that I would see not much point in creating "physical" beings anyhow, as it would do worse than good most probably. But I will, however, try it sometime in the near future. Expect my return to this post in a few months when i attempt this project (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dots.gif)

Sometimes the best way to learn/understand something is to do it, now since I doubt anyone, atleast in these forums, have tried casting a servitor in a physical body, i'll experiment and come up with details for you guys.

Of course, I will give them a task and a finite life, so nothing will be at major risk.

Greetings 'DeathStalker ,

I believe a good part of occult fun is walking the tight rope between skill and danger. Go for it! Report back your findings. Just remember that if you lose control things might get extremely ugly. So err on the side of caution and protect yourself at all times.