Hey bro,i get what you mean..i understand your point..Im not saying what i did was the right thing..But since i dont have a group down here where i live i post whatever work i do,either good or bad to the forum to gain insight from the more experienced ones.Anyway the fact that i only got to see the Goddess for a few moments before the fog consumed me i have already realized that its her way of telling me that yes i got her attention by taking the risk to see her(when she smiled) but i still have to do things proper(as in the proper gate walking) in order to reach her..and the only reason i probably didnt get burned from me jumping the gates was beacause of her grace shown to me..so for that i am thankful for..

Here's another perspective:
Doing it as a priest and doing it as a magickian are two different things.

I'm not so sure "gate walking" (a magickian's undertaking) out of order is a great idea, however, I don't think that going to one's deity directly is wrong. I mean, what is the purpose in worshipping a deity, and having to go through the realms of others to get there?

But there again, when I first met Ereshkigal, I was not gatewalking, I was merely attening my altar and sacrifices, and was brought to Ganzir by her, and given a sigil to use to access it directly with no intermediary gatewalking. I took this as s ign that as a priestess, I was not to visit the realms of others, but serve Ereshkigal directly. So I'd venture a guess that your headache was due to out-of-order gate walking, and thought she seemed pleased to see you, or at least pleased at your devotion, out of order gatewalking, or even gatewalking itself, may not be the way she wants you to come to her.

Here's an idea for those worried about new people coming in and trying something potentially dangerous such as this, you have enough posts to start your own blog. You could post such things there, and people can comment there on it. Thus ensuring more experienced people will see it, rather than neophytes.

I would have to agree with you on this point. since everyone I have taken that out of order adventure with is either addicted to drugs, dead, in jail, or locked up (crazy).

Edit: actually everyone I know who practice the nec and sumerian rites ended up crazy wheter they did it in order or not *shrug* maybe the mad arab is the prophet of that magic.

This post has been edited by distillate: Dec 19 2006, 05:55 PM

Greetings Dark Goddess,

It actually says very clearly in the Nec pg 48 that anyone may pass into Ganzir who has the formula whether thay have passed the other Gates or not.

So I would say your Ganzir experience was accurate however bears no weight on the covenant and rules established by the Gods for Gate walking the Spheres.

Peace.

Greetings 'OmNamaShivaya,

I am not trying to bust your nads.

What I am trying to do is warn you of the risk you have taken.

I know alot of Gate Walkers. I have seen some pretty good magicians screw themselves with the Gates.

My own brother messed up with the Gates and has had to suffer the consequences.

The problem is an accomplished Ceremonial Magician might think he knows his $h!t and not give the proper respect due to the Gate gods.

They will give a proper spanking for not abiding by the rules.

Inanna has pulled my a$$ out of the fire on more than one occasion. If anyone could save you from suffering bad consequences behind this it would be her.

This post has been edited by Edunpanna: Dec 19 2006, 06:15 PM

Please do not post one liners.

Ashnook

This post has been edited by Ashnook: Dec 19 2006, 08:38 PM

Leave those comments for Private Messages or Fight Club.

Unofficial warning.

Ashnook

This post has been edited by Ashnook: Dec 19 2006, 08:40 PM

sorry to offend you man. I walked my first gate on august 1st 1998( I know the moon was wrong but I was a chaos magician). I do believe it is a lie and you know that. I just think these people who walk the OTO path , then create religions should be exposed for what they are. Did you ever wonder why just having the necronomicon book in your possession has a supernatural power?

Thanks.

i hear you bro..So what do you think is the best way to contact Inanna,or shouldnt i attempt to contact her at all before walking the previous gates?

There is nothing wrong with evoking or invoking Inanna. A good way would be to simply write some invokation / evocations. If done in the right state of mind I am sure you could write something very pleasing to her.

There are plenty of priests of Inanna who do not use the Necronomicon. If you think its too much work or not appealing to walk all of the Gates in order by the formula given then I would say leave the gates alone. They can be dangerous if not respected. Besides you do not have to be a Gate Walker to serve Inanna.

Peace

Kool act of devotion :-) But dont always do dangerous stuff. Inanna is Kool and comprehensible so its okie... but sometimes to go to one gate one must be like purified by the previous gate... But for Inanna, as you are a priest of her, i guess you did not want to do the gate as such but only wanted to pay her respect, so that should be ok. Still Inanna indirectly and nicely sent you the message that you need to do a proper walking to her gate or to do all the other gates before :-)

This post has been edited by mystick: Dec 20 2006, 01:17 AM

hey guys i have been wondering about this for some time..other than the gates that we do for the gate walking of the zonei,is it possible to actually explore or enter into the four directional gates that we call upon for protection during our workings?Not much is written about this four gates other than using them for protection so i was wondering if there are realms there that we could explore and how we might go about doing it if possible.thanks in advance..

North Gate pg 101 This guardian is called the silver hunter. Clearly this refers to Nanna.

East Gate pg 102 Mistress of the rising star. Refers to Venus. Clearly Inanna.

South Gate pg 102 In the names of the most mighty hosts of Marduk. Clearly this Guardian is Marduk.

West Gate Spirit of the Land of Mer Martu. Protection is asked against underworld spirits. The sun sets in the West. The direction of Ganzir. Clearly this is Nergal.

Compare the 4 Necronomicon watchtowers to the Watchtowers of ceremonial magick.

There is a blind to the directional Gates in order to protect the system. I will not state on this forum what that blind is. Simon has admitted this to us and he is not saying what it is either.

Why try a crazy experiment with the directional Gates when you have already stated in another thread that you do not want to dedicate yourself to walking the Gates in the proper manner?

Are you just trying to be super cool?

This is not monopoly. This is not Spongebob Squarepants. There is an underlying danger with many types of magick. Even if you think you are super cool that still does not mean that you can manipulate a system.

Why try to manipulate a system? Ego stroking?

If you use the Goetia abide by the rules and regulations set down in the Goetia.

If you use the book of Abra-Melin the mage abide by the formulae therein established.

If you use the Lemegeton do what the Lemegeton says.

No one is super cool uber magician. No matter how long you have been doing this trust me it really is not that hard to insert your foot in you’re a$$. Pride comes before a fall. After the sky crashed down on my head several times over the years I have learned humility. With magick being humble and respecting the forces you are working with is never a bad idea.

The Mad Arab gives us the rules and regulations. He tells us that he screwed up and is doomed to death for not following the rules. He tells us the rules were established by the Gods.

So who is super cool uber magician? Obviously such a person is much more powerful than the Mad Arab was. Obviously such a person is more powerful than the Gods of the Necronomicon and the Bandar for that person has no fear of breaking the covenant. Will the Bandar not turn on you for breaking the covenant? Will the Gods not abandon you?

Is there something unwritten about the directional Gates? Absolutely. Perhaps it is something you should consider after properly passing the Seven spheres and Ganzir.

It concerns me a bit that a newbie might read this thread and experiment with this causing himself misfortune. Its like you are trying to be cool by posting ways to violate the system. If you want to try some off the wall experiments go ahead but do you have to post about them on the forum where some very inexperienced magicians might endanger themselves by following your lead?

Consider why Simon would even bother warning us about the directional Gates before you swim into very dark waters.



Do what thou whilt.

This post has been edited by Edunpanna: Dec 20 2006, 07:43 PM

I have to agree w/ Edunpanna--these experiments are not in the realm of wisdom. Learn how to do magick first before u try to experiment in very questionable manners. U wouldnt go and race a F1 car when u first get ur drivers license. U wouldnt fly a fighter jet right after u recieve ur flying license for the first time. So why and go mess w/ certain aspects of a system u just recently learned about. TRUST ME--DON"T PLAY AROUND W/ THIS STUFF!!!!! It will mess u up!!! I wasted 5 years of my life and Great Work messing around--don't u go and do that!! Stick by the book until u have a greater knowledge of the Necronomicon system--and by that time u will understand what u can and cant (or shouldnt) do. This is not a toy--this is not game--this can mess u up for life if u mess around too much! Just stick to the system bro, learn how to do things right before u go and experiment wildly....

Seriously bro..It was an inocent question,dont have to be so harsh with your words..i asked the questions on the forum because that is the only way i can learn since im coming from a country where nobody uses this system. All the knowledge i have, i learned from guys like you ashnook suxur, mystick and darkgoddess..i recall someone on the forum posting about how one should explore the four gates thoroughly before commencing gate walking,so this was to clarify my doubts..

Experienced guys like you, know more than others that the system itself isnt complete and the only way we can open up the system more is by exploring and that we do that by asking questions continually not by following blindly without thinking like many mainstream religions have been preaching.Yes blinds are there to protect the sytem but after a certain time they do hinder the workings of the system because of the limited knowledge we have of it.

Im not trying to be a super cool magician like you said,or trying to give ideas to exploit the system,im sincerely trying to learn.You said that newbies may read the posts and do destructive stuff to themselves..More than likely they will only destroy thmeselves when they explore into unknown territory which i admit i did with the inanna gate thing but.Guys like you already have hidden knowledge of the system particularly the directional gates so instead of making something a forbidden fruit by hiding the information why dont you guys make the unknown territory known.Why not explain the significance of the directional gates and then explain the dangers.Then im sure people wont try and do things stupidly..

The necronomicon book has been around for ages in many bookstores but not everyone has read it,not everyone has logged into this forum,so people who are reading this particular post had of course been fated to..

P.S i have all the respect in the world for you bro,but someone with your experience and stature shudnt have to resort to petty name calling..Peace..

Greetings 'OmNamaShivaya,

I believe the blinds are in place for a reason and that the Sorcerer naturally understands these blinds as he / she progresses through the system.

I am not trying to attack you. As you can see in your reputation menu I think you have made some smart posts.

However don't walk barefooted in snake country. The venom is difficult to extract.


Peace!

The way I see it you can walk those directional gates. Whether you do is in entirely up to you. Yes I know follow the system its there for your safety, however, if you feel drawn to walking the directional gates then you should do it. I realize it may seem to some that I'm being irresponsible recommending that he try it, but if it hasn't been written as forbidden in the book, then I see no reason why he shouldn't do it. The blinds ah yes back to them. I hate blinds they are there to make you think. But that doesn't mean I have to like them. Now as for eperimenting with the system. Everyone here has to some extent tested this or some other system and having done so has either been burned or successful. He's asking questions so he doesn't get burned no matter how off the wall they may be. OmNamaShivaya, if you do choose to walk those directional gates please write about it either in a blog or here. Your right most people don't mess with the Nec. or even utilize this forum so your doing well posting questions. If I might make a suggestion, you should look into the Tattwas or tarot for ways to perform a pathworking. Then utilize that method to walk the directional gates. It can be as easy or as complex as you desire to make it. Just be on your guard. You won't know what to expect so expect the unexpected.
Good luck.
gmcbroom

I was just thinking of one more thing. OmnamaShivaya, whether you choose to pathwork the directional gates or walk the other gates there is one thing I highly recommend. Learn the banishing methods pinned at the top of the Necronomicom forum. Don't just think they'll work. KNOW THEY'LL WORK. With that down you may not need to worry about whether or not you have a bander or not. To utilize your bander is perfect protection but many have have used the Nec. without them. Just my 2 cents.
gmcbroom

Greetings 'OmNamaShivaya,



Sorry if I have come off as a dork hole. I am not trying yo sling mud in your eye.

Peace!

This post has been edited by Edunpanna: Dec 20 2006, 08:02 PM

its ok bro,i understand your concerns and i respect that.We may have different ways of thinking but no matter what,we will still be fighting side by side when the time calls for it..Peace..

To gmcbroom,thanks for the comments bro..Other than the methods of banishing posted i also use a banishing that i have used successfully from a hindu method,its a mantra and prayer to the Lord Surya,in other words The Sun.There is a statue of the sun god in my altar and i utilize his blessings when working with the Nec..Sort of utlizing the Statue to invoke the essence of Solar rays to blast my area of working. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/angry_pissed_off_emoticon.gif)

The reasons my questions on the directional gates arose was because in Ceremonial magick i use the elemental tablets of earth,air fire and water on the four corners and to my knowledge they are areas that can be explored as the four different realms of elemental beings.This i realised while i was meditating on the tattwa cards recommended by konstantinos as i was looking at the blue circle of one of the tattwas and meditating on the name shaddai el chai the blue cirlce started swirling around and i saw figures of a great king and also a few other elementals in the card itself.

anyways coming back on topic,in the working of the Nec we invoke and open the four directional gates correct,but since they are so powerful and not to be meddled with,how come we never close them after the work is done? in a proper gate walking itself we are open to attack by the demons and stuff because we travel to their realm right?so isnt it possible that by opening up this four gates without understanding anythin about it,these same entities could also enter into our realm if left unchecked?almost like an open door to our realm..

the banishing you do is real kool :-) thats great. :-) i am impressed.



As for the directional gates issue, you could try think well about it. Like for instance, do i know the consequences, do i know whats on the other side? if not, then it could be not a good idea of doing them right now.... Progress more and work with the names of the spellbook and some will guide you with your projects. Try asking Aranunna if what you want to do is good or not...



I know the Gods like courage but not stupidity. So use your brain a lot along with courage :-)



I agree that its by asking questions that one gets answers or by experimenting. Its good that you ask first rather than experiment. Just put a notice before you post that this stuff is something real dangerous and unpredictable etc and you are only asking questions to experienced ones who might have more knowledge on that.....



regards



mystick

I dont get all upset for nothing here bro, its a matter of watching out for any new folk using the Necro. Like I stated earlier it is dangerous to make up rules--for there already are rules in place. Follow Mystics advice--call ARANUNNA, he is a great teacher and vizier of Master ENKI. He is good in matters of self initiation like it says in the text. I am telling u this for ur own good, not to be an a$%*#!* or something. I dont want to see u end up locked up a home or something. I would suggest a good healthy dose of ARANUNNA advising for awhile and u may start to see why we say it is not good to mess w/ things that arent totally understood.

Btw--the directional seals from the Necro are cosmic in nature in my opinion and they have a value more complex than just the earthly element it corresponds to. This is why we were cautioning u against messing w/ them--they are not completely understood. Anyways u dont need to mess w/ that stuff to understand the elements anyways. U can do that by just observing nature and understanding the relationship each element has w/ one another.

EX: Earth over Air= suffocation
Water over Air=humidity
Fire over Air=vapors

Go on and on like that and suddenly the elements all seem to compliment one another. There are safer ways to get to understand the nature of things--try to find these and use them. Down the road when u have a better grasp of how things work using the Necro then u can figure things out.

Laterz.....

While the directional gates correspond to four of the Gate gods, they are also "cosmic" in a sense as Eabatu put it. They are there for protection, but there is also another, much more important, reason. The images used in the directional gates were designed in such a way as to interact with the sub-concious mind to allow our concious mind to more easily work with the forces that we are invoking. Becuase of the complexity of this, as well as the obvious danger of interacting with the sub-concious mind before one begins to know what is there, an exploration of the directional gates early on in ones path is, at best, down right dangerous. While the original question was a very valid question, the material it concerned is a dangerous material if explored with out the correct frame of mind. I whole heartedly agree with and applaud your thirst for knowledge and experimentation, but let those experiments be controlled experiments for quite some time.

The Necronomicon is riddled with images and key words that are used for the sole purpose of unlocking primordial and completly untapped parts of our mind. You could read 1000 books and theories. You could search every blog, post, and website concerning the material. This would only give you a glimpse of the path that is ahead of you or anyone else who picks up the tome. What we view as real has now become the surreal in every aspect of the word. Straying too far from the beaten path before one has a very solid grip of every aspect of their mind and every aspect of their soul could have devastating results.

It is obvious that you have an interest in the directional gates. If you would like to investigate them at the moment in time than I would suggest that you observe them and go no further until a much later date after fully initiating yourself fully into the system. Open the directional gates once every two days and keep a journal of it for around three months or so. Even this has it dangers though. If at any time your journal begins to become more sporadic or dark, cease the endevour at once. Let us not forget was the Mad Arab says on page 98 of the Necronomicon, in the "Book of Calling."

Your Brother in Light,
Ashnook

Greetings OmNamaShivaya',

The book of calling instructs us to close tha gates via reading a part of the Magan text dealing with Inanna.

Hi!

IF you get a chance read the maqlu tablets, the whole rituals explores all realms (gates). But is suppose to preformed by a priest.

Greetings 'distillate,

I did no know that any of the Maklu tablets contained anything concerning the gates. Most of what I have read seemed to be spells intended to either curse or heal. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mf_popeanim.gif)

U got any links or sources etc?

The rituals are to be performed at certain times of the day and includes Gods on all sides of the panthean to come to ones aid. For instance the beginning opens with an invocation to the Gods of the night sky, then introduces the heavenly court of the skygod Anu and the Netherworld of Ereskigal. Second divsion in the Ritual is in the cosmic and divine area of the Enlil Circle (the Ekur). The third divsion is Shamash (and Girra), and his Daughter of the morning sky (goddess of dreams) along side them is Ea's (Enki) temple Which introduces Ea and Asalluhi (Marduk) in the Subterranean Apsu. It is all based on the preist ascenting to the stars and visiting these gods.

If you can find the article buy Tzvi Abusch called "Ascent to the Stars in Mesopotamian Ritual" it explains it. If you can't find it try emailing him, he likes people who are intrested in his work. He also has the best english translation of the maqlu, but he won't give it out (IMG:style_emoticons/default/angry_pissed_off_emoticon.gif)


http://www.brandeis.edu/departments/nejs/F...nchor--Tz-21879

This post has been edited by distillate: Dec 21 2006, 11:23 PM

I have been a priestess of Inanna for almost two decades but have never walked any of the Gates. I use the Necronomicon mainly as a "prayer book" and have mostly been pleased with the results.