Hello i am new to this forum, but not the path.

I am not so much interested in Marduk and his spirits,
but rather the energy of Chaos, the Great Old Ones,
Outer Gods, and the energy of Death and the
corresponding names to call these things. I never
have been great with the sorcery part but without
first casting with sorcery (words, sigils, ritual, etc)
it is much harder to master and use art without.

I am wondering if there are specific words to trigger
Great Old Ones and Outer Gods, and seperately
the powers of Death as well. True Chaos and
Necromancy are my primary interests and
coincidentaly the hardest things to gather true info
on. I am looking for help from experienced wizards
here, if anyone knows anything.

There are a great many barbarous names, and some of those will provide links to those primeval forces, but in my opinion those primal, pre-existent powers are without names - they are those that were before there were names.

Rather, their 'names' are found in the dark sensations a the core of your soul, the primal urges that once ruled the psyche of man, and the void outside of existence, beyond even the astral. They are the Uknowable in Castanedas trinity of Known, Unknown, and Uknowable.

To worship them is to invite the inevitable end to which all existence must eventually go. To work with them is a dangerous game that rightly was marked with the stigma of insanity. Sanity is this realm of reason and order and structure and light. Their realm is beyond insanity.

peace

See thats what my first instinct was, the power words would rather be to trigger a connection on the Chaos plane within the soul to conjure such forces, but i thought i would ask if suck trigger words may automatically gain the attention of Chaos. As far as death goes i think there are more sorcery techniques to connect with it, any information on Necromancy could serve purpose as well.

Furthermore, i hope to help in pioneering a usefull system
in the powers of Chaos, its energies, principles and entities.
Maybe someday we will all make use of a connection with
the primordial. I have some relationship with Nyarlathotep
myself but he does not give up secrets easily. Learning
through experience is always best anyway.

The old ones reside in the Acausal, they are without time and space, completely distinct from what you would understand of any spirits. Acausal itself is associated with chaos, as the Causal is order (cause effect).

And Death (Azrael) has not much to do with the Old Ones, he's grey in my opinion and he's a very nice angel. There are rituals to work with him, but you have to first gain an understanding and appreciation of the entity, the first step is to build an empath for him and to "not fear" him nor his essence (the death essence).

Anyways, I'm not here to tell you right from wrong, I'm a believer that we learn from our mistakes (and those vary from person to person), so experiment, but keep your eyes and mind wide open.

The Lovecraftian Old Ones, or Outer Ones, have never resembled death to me. They are used to call in insanity and various properties there of.

Haha i dont get the whole judgement thing, but yes i do view Necromancy and the energies of Death quite seperate from Chaomancy and Chaos, though some Chaotic entities have Death energy within their realm. I dont seek the Old Ones too much by the way, which are described as the barrel like creatures which travel in the spaces between and found themselves here on earth before us, save maybe for some divinations and the like. I do work with Great Old Ones like Cthulhu and Outer Gods like Nyarlathotep. Now im sort of new here and dont know if there is an animosity toward Chaomancers, but what does one see in the powers of law, of such opressive nature. Chaomancy offers the freedom to grow spiritually as great as you may, contact insanely powerful entities, and tap into unfathomable energies. It suits me to continue to serve its purpose. People should always be free to practice their own path. Now why woulld someone have their eyes fixed on a fellow Wizard with such inquisitory feelings?

As for the Necromantic Practice, the Sorceries i seek are words and such that invoke the non-entity fields of Death energy, as
well as Angels of death and Gods of Death. I would like to do some practice with Necromancy that will allow me to conjure Death angels as well as freely use Death energy fields to construct my own spells.

May we all find enlightenment,

Frater Mikael

Have you worked the Imperinomicon? I have some interest in it, but have yet to find anyone who has worked the system.



You may want to study some of the more "native" magicks such as ancestor contact. It is my understanding and experience that *some* of your ancestor spirits can connect you with those energies. When working with death energy, do you ever experience a change in mood or attitude?

Wonderful to make your aquaintence Frater Mikael.

Chaos and Necro energies can both affect my mood at times, yes. I am interested to hear, what is the Imperionomicon?

I did not know bloodline magicks can connect me to such energies.
Is there any materials i should look into?

Nice to make your aquaintance as well.

Let me know

This post has been edited by FraterMikael: Jan 21 2007, 07:42 PM

My appologies for the lateness in response Frater Mikael. Try to get ahold of a copy of "Communing with the Spirits." The author outlines a decent enough system of Necromancy in which he instructs the reader to begin working with his/her ancestors as a means to connect to the forces of death.

The imperinomicon is a manuscript that was written, I believe sometime in the 90s, as a sort of grimoire of Lovecraftian Outer forces.