Hey,i am new to the goetia but reading the posts in the forums i was wondering whether you guys work with goetic spirits not from the 72 spirits..such as those from the theurgia goetia?Cause there seems to be less information about them..Thanks..

Sorry, I've not worked with the spirits from theurgia, but I do know of another goetic not in the goetia. Her name is Izabael, and she's very friendly, I first made contact with her once by accident when I first got into magick. She came quickly, without much effort on my part, and she simply tickled my lip and left. She's mainly a geni and a spirit lover, but is directly descended from the goetics, apparently granddaughter of Seere. She will work with the other goetics to get you anything you want. She's also a faithful familiar. All she asks for in return is fame and glory.

I suggest that anyone that would like to work with her to look her up in a google search. Look in the cached web pages if they're not up anymore. The best way to make contact is through orgasm and semen on her seal. She's very gentle and won't abuse the relationship, heck I worked with her before I knew it was "bad" to give "demons" DNA! I've never had any problems that I know of because of her.

Well strictly speaking the Theurgia Goetia spirits are not "goetic" spirits if you mean "demonic" by that.

They are kinda dark and kinda light, like something between demon and angel, if you will. But they are very powerful in their energetic precense, so don't mess around too sloppily if you are not at least a little experienced.

Grab,

So would you say they are probably more or less dangerous than a goetia spirit? I mean, being more of a light nature, would you say that they can be much more testy if you ask them for something they feel they are above doing?

Thats great altpath, Im looking for the sigil on google. Im gonna try and evoke her, I'll let you know how it works out If that okay.
Im just goona do a LBRP and LBRH then stare at the sigil and repeat name, then scrying on a mirror. no triangle. I'll leave out the middle piller and bornless ritual. so I dont have to read from a book and just do what I know of by heart. anyway I'll let you know what I see okay.

that's good, scryer. I like her very much and despite what some might say, I'd recommend her to beginners because she's just so damn nice. I suggest you draw her seal using a wet bar of soap on your mirror. If you have trouble scrying with your eyes open, just do it with your eyes closed.

I do recommend you do the middle pillar, and take you time with it, taking about 20 minutes at least. Really get into it, because that's how I first saw her, while I was doing that ritual, during the circulation of light.

Yep Ive just finished drawing her sigil on my mirror with a bar of soap so its all ready for tonight. I didnt put the pentegramish star around the outside because its too hard to draw. is it alright using just the main sigil on the top on http://www.izabael.com. I havnt made a sigil to wear around my neck, Im not going to worry bout it. I feel stupid wearing a piece of parchment paper around my neck. unless you think its absulutly neseccary. so I got everything laid out and ready. I dont have a robe. and I had to leave my triangle when I moved but I'll just try it anyway. The soap on the mirror dosnt come out very clearly or nice, it leaves bits of chunks. I cant hardly see it. I need to get some kind of pastel cryon or something that can wip off from an art supply.

This post has been edited by scryer: Jan 22 2007, 12:39 AM

The symbol around her seal isn't necessary, it's just there because it has 7 points to represent venus. I you are planning an evocation then it would be best to wear the seal in front of you, and the pentagram of solomon on the back. But if you just try a scrying meditation with the seal and your mirror, then there isn't any need for all that.

The only thing I guess you should expect is that she will probably show up to you as a very attractive woman, possibly naked, and she might try to touch you. You will be using the mirror, but that doesn't mean she is going to be constrained by it, so be prepared for anything. Don't be rude, don't be scared, and it'll be fine.

Oh it all depends on the operator I'm sure. Some of them are more powerful than the Goetias I've encountered (and I've met a bunch of them), but perhaps that's due to other reasons. Perhaps I'm more sensitive to the TGs than the Goetias.

Nope, testy they were not, but then neither are the goetias. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evil2.gif)

Actually, I meant that some angels can be testy if you ask them for somthing they feel they are above doing.

And they can be tasty too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif)

hay altpath about Izabael, I did another one last night with even less results. But she appaired to me in my dreams, she seems to be easier to manifest in your dreams than in an evocation. yesterday when I went out some chick came up to me and asked for directions. and we had a whole conversation. I even think that woman are slightly more attracted to me. cool huh.
I like her alot, Im gonna evoke Mepsitahl next. I keep getting an urge to do that like shes calling me. but after Im gonna try Izabael again. maybe somepeople work better with certin spirits than others. I think Im more inclined to planetary spirits than any thing else.

cheers big ears thanks for your help (IMG:style_emoticons/default/victory.gif)

This post has been edited by scryer: Jan 23 2007, 07:51 PM

Now that's good side-effects (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

That's exactly why I encourage people to work with her. She may not manifest well during evocation, but I think that's more because she doesn't really seem to enjoy being constrained. The familiar that Izabael gave me doesn't manifest well either, but in dreams, she is very powerful and has been seen by my friends, and they have even spoken to her and asked her for favors, and she always comes through.

My avatar is her seal, so if you want to evoke her, go ahead. I can PM you her name if you'd like.