Hi Spellcaster.

If you are just working with the 50 Names, then you shouldn´t need to make a sacrifice, or use any tools except a candle, a box of matches, and the Spellbook.

The sacrifice and conjuration of the Bandar would only be needed if you were going to walk the Gates or the Zonei. You would also need to make a sacrifice and conjure the Bandar if you wanted to use the Book of Calling to summon the dead.

If you´re gonna do anything like that though, I would reccommend you read the Necronomicon very thoroughly, and copy it out into an order that will make sense for you, as everything you are asking is listed in the Nec.


Dannum Lamadu

are there any banishings that I shuld know or is LBRP enugh?

As it says in the Necronomicon, the LBRP won´t work. It´s a very different kind of energy here, so you´d be better on using a clearing invoking planetary energies rather than elemental.

There are about half a dozen banishing rituals in the Necronomicon. You´d probably be best with them. If you are just gonna work with the spellbook, you could probably get away with daily LBRP, plus the occasional LRH. It does depend what you want to do though.

Witch planet shuld i banish? Or shuld I banish all planets with LRH?

The ones in the Nec. are great but a faster one is posted at the very top of the Necronomicom Forum. I hope that helps.
gmcbroom

It so happens I happen to have created an effective banishing similar but not the same as the LBRP. Look in the BANISHINGS THAT ACTUALLY WORK thread, in there about10 lines up from the bottom is my ritual--Lesser banishing Ritual of the Arra Star. Believe me--it is very effective in using these energies of the Necronomicon. The reason for that is u r invoking those energies in that ritual. Go and take a look and give it a try--u dont NEED a ritual knife for it--but it does help.

Aye a good ritual which Eabatu performed before me in Florida a month ago. I strongly recommend.

Gee thanx, a lot. I'm about to try this stuf this week if I get the chance (must get the proper tools, and stuff). But looking foward to it. Shuld I use the goetia method or just the one in the necronomicon? witch one is more efective?

Well what do you think? Considering you are using the Necronomicon it would be a good idea to use the Necronomicon method. The Goetia is something else w/ another energy to it, if youre starting out it would be counter effective to cross energie like that--they may cancel each other out of make for much undesired effects. Forget the goetia and the Enochian magick stuff for now, you are using the Necronomicon and its Babylonian/Sumerian magick system--a system which precedes the Goetia and Enochian magick.

Ok. Tnx Ebatu, for makeing this clear to me. Shuld I know anything else since I'm a beginner with magick? Witch spirits shuld I stay clear in the necronomicon, I don't wanna get hurt. So just how is necronomicon dangerous?

If I might make a recommendation. Avoid the Urilla text in the Necronomicom. Other than that I'd say check out the 50 names of Marduk and there are a few other gems in there. In all the Urilla text is the most dangerous part dealing with the ancient ones and such. So until your ready for them, avoid it. Good luck.
gmcbroom

Ok so if I just work with the 50 Names I'll stay alive? So all of the spirits are friendly? No harm done what so ever if I don't sence them? The only experience i have in magick is sigil magick, so I want to make shure that I'm gonna be safe doing this.

This post has been edited by Edunpanna: Jan 29 2007, 10:24 PM

Greetings Spellcaster,

We have some nice 50 names threads in which invocation is discussed. Search the Nec threads for these. And yes the 50 are not going to mess you up unless you treat them disrespectfully.


Peace

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You have been given much advice on what to do and how to go about it. As you move along in your path, you will adopt some of the this advice and other parts you may discard. We are always in motion so that is okay.

That being said, you need to get a decent background in cerimonial magick. Read through Summoning Spirits and other texts while working the spellbook. Work the spellbook verbatim. As you progress, your magick will as well and you will be available to move on to other topics such as banishings and tools. Take it one step at a time.

You need to begin practicing the Middle Pillar ritual and the LBRP. Whether or not they deal with the Necronomicon and whether or not you intend to follow those rituals is irrelevant. Both will provide you with the footing that you need to branch off into working with other rituals.

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Ashnook hit it on the head, get a good magickal foundation established, learn how to see magick for what it is--internal alchemy. It isnt about spells and whatnot--it is about self change and in the process other things will arise--u will know these things as you progress.

Eabatu is right on here. Asking questions is great. Ask away. It's how all of us learn. But sometimes it comes down to 'put up or shut up'. So dive in. Find out what you can through experience and work and then ask around. When I first started on the Path of the Necronomicon I had a lot of questions. Some of them were answered, some weren't.
After I threw myself into it, many many of those questions got answered.
But more importantly, I had new questions. Deeper ones that allowed me to progress. Learning about a path is a wonderful endeavor, and by all means ask. But learning by the answers of others and finding out for yourself are worlds apart. So dive and in explore.
Peace,
Nosotro

This post has been edited by Nosotro Tehuti: Feb 2 2007, 05:24 PM

Ok guys I got my nec and the spellbook from amazon. I made my Agga Mass Ssaratu (didn't summon the watcher,yet). Now I got some questions:

1. The mandalas for the four quadrants, are they made with flour of are they painted on something or are they engraved on something

2. Can the Copper dagger of Innana be made of an circut board; I'm into electronics so i got some copper bords extra, but the thing is that the boards aren't fully made of copper just the sides (between is a plate of compressed glasswool witch is werry hard)?

3. Can I use a knife instead of a sword to summon the watcher? If so do I still need to engrave the simbols and stuff that was pointed out by Smasher666?

4. When passing the gates, do I need to go trough each gate in order to get to the gate that is next?

5. It says that a messenger will apear as I open the first gate. Is the first gate just that or will i enter trough a gate into the nanna gate and then pass the gate.

6. What is the point of entering a gate, besides mastering that planet (gate) is there a task to do there?

7. the invokations mentioned in the nec that we must make for the three gods that we worship, how shuld one be composed?

8. On ashnook's nec page i downloaded the simon tape. and there simon explains most of the stuff but i have a question about some stuff aswell: The festing period, Ash said that 13 days is enugh and simon says 28 days. Also simon didn't mention the quadrant mandalas and their usage.

9. How does one sumon the Bandar after the first summoning

(huh, unusual 9 questions, on japanese the number nine is called Ku - witch also meens nothing, or emptyness. Can't stop seeing simbols everywhere i go and in everything i say and/or do. Am I going nuts, or is it that normal? I guess that I am going trough that becoming a magickian phase)

1) You can just draw the four directional seals on paper and the Mandel on a bunch of construction paper taped together.

2)Try it....Im sure it wouldnt hurt! Except urself (physically) if you dont fashion it right for use--like anytime u grab it u dig ur skin into it....but magickally I should work.

3)Sure--use the knife until u can get a sword...just remember to feed ur Bandar.

4) PAY ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The answer is in a number of places!!!!

5) When ur ready to walk we will talk---not ur concern now. U need to learn how to use magick first.

6)Enter it and u will see, but in reality each gate is an aspect of urself. So a task is indeed to be done--for ur own improvement.

7)Make something that is relevent to u and ur relationship w/ the 3 watchers---for it is to get ur mind and spirit in one w/ the 3 watchers.

8)Minor details....not essential. The fast is for devotional purposes and also if desired altered states of consciousness--in my opinion.

9)If you dont bansih him he is usually around. Call him and he comes. He is there to work w/ you.

(The process of becoming a mage is a long and painful process so dont think this is all easy and happy--there will be retrospective insights that will hurt--but those are there to help you see what must be done. This is a path of devotion a dedication. Dont let the delusions haugnt or mislead--just try to keep an eye out! It will help)

Rinky dink--LMAO!!! Sorry Imperial--some of us arent wealthy and we make do w/ what we have! I have found its the will and devotion that is important--not the price tag or shininess of ones tools. I happen to think the tools may in fact be blinds, but that is another thread (possibly). But I do agree w/ u as far as the gate opening up above you--I didnt experience that either. I think each person experienced their gate walking differently because it is such a personal thing it is visualized how the gatewalker is supposed to see it. For Nanna gate I was put before a mountain valley cave.

And as far as what is taken from the gate, it is an ongoing process that does not end once u leave that gate. Once a link is established one can tap inot its current for whatever means you deem neccessary. i happen to use the current to learn what aspects of myself are related to the said agte and try to improve those using the powers of that gate. I think that is what the gates are for, the conquering of the self from the deceptive "free" will. Everyone cant do anything--its not in everyones nature to do so. I guess this all falls under Crowleys "Do what thou wilt...". I always took that statement as do what is appropriate for you and only you. If you do that all falls into place quite well.

Quick note--as far as what kind of a bowl you will need for the Agga Mass Ssratu--I am using this cooking bowl now-glass. It can take the heat real well, have been using it for about 3 months now and I have no reason to thing another 3 months isnt in its future.

Imperial, I dont have a robe, nor did I use a mandal (last gate) nor do I use a double circle. In fact all I got for the most part is my will, knife of ENKI, Agga w/ a candle burning in it (as I had sacrificed to Bandar just before then) the cardinal "lamps" (green, vanilla, red, and blue candles) w/ the directional (traditional directional seals) along w/ the appropriate 50 names spirit on the inside facing part of the candle. Its not a fancy temple I use--its my room--so i gotta make do w/ what I have. Would I like a proper temple to do these rituals in--sure! But I dont, so I use what space i have and what tools I ahve and invest my "faith" in my ability and will. So far my "faith" has been invested wisely.

Greetings Imperial Arts,

What Brother Eabatu is stating, is that this Path is NOT ceremonial magick. This is magick of the self and it's relationship to creation. Tools are not in any way required for this. You say that you should get the very best tools you can. Well... we already have them.We were born with them. Our tools our are hands, hearts, minds and willpower. They are the purest, strongest tools possible.
What is the power of a simple copper knife to that of the flesh? The flesh is strong and the will is stronger. Combined they are a pure connection to the forces of creation. Do we not have iron in our very blood?
And further, I highly doubt gaining a religious tool through theft is a very auspicious beginning to an endeavor of communing with the Gods.
As far as being uncertain about what was going to happen in your Necronomicon working, well that seemed to have defeated you right there. This isn't '' i'm going to hide in a circle, clutch my sword and spit barbarous words so the spirit will be nice to me''. It's a system of faith in what you are doing, respect for yourself and the Gods/spirits, and having the balls to face the cosmos with nothing but ourselves. What were you so concerned about? I SERIOUSLY DOUBT if you f'ed up a few words or didn't have the correct visualization that something horrible was going to happen. Did you think Pazuzu was going to pop out of a box and bite your head off?lol

Now, I have no problem whatsoever with folks using all kinds of tools and circles and wands, whatever. If it makes you happy, go for it. I just believe falling into the trap of thinking you need help from a piece of metal or a chalk circle in order to do your Work will eventually turn you into a magickal eunuch.
Nosotro Tehuti.

Greetings,

Eabatu and Nostoro you are both following a Shamanic type path I think with your sorceries.

Imperial is actually quite experienced with Ceremonial Magick. In practicing Ceremonial Magick the tools are very important.

For each tool an elaborate concentration is done during which a piece of ones self enters the tool as it attunes to our vibration rate. The more these tools are used during ritual the higher latent charge the tool retains. The tool then begins to amplify our magick.

I have a lot of tools and robes etc. Just the psychological effects of preparing for ritual is great for me. When fully prepared I am like a different person. I forget about my physical life and immerse myself completely into what I am doing. In my daily life I occasionally have doubts etc. After putting on my robe and cloak and drawing the sword I have no doubts. I enter a mind state in which I believe nothing on Earth over it or under it can resist the magick that I am doing.

Sometimes I come to a point in life where I hit a low. I may be depressed or tired. I do not during times like this have the energy to manifest my will properly. During these times I can always pull down energy through one of my tools and replenish myself. Just touching a tool during a troubling time seems to empower me.

Spending a lot of time and dedication making tools should not be held in contempt but applauded. After all the more you concentrate on such an object the more powerful it becomes. The most important time for the tool is the time during its creation. So taking a lot of time and care to do it right is extremely wise. All this attention to detail during its birth forces our essence into the object. Which makes it an extension of ourselves.

It is true that you can do the Necronomicon rituals without a lot of tools or garb however I do not believe that doing that is fully experiencing the power.

Imperial,

The passage regarding not spilling ones seed can be for the most part disregarded. I have been having sex on a regular basis for years during the moon of purification.

From the book of calling.

Thou must abstain from spilling thy seed in any manner for like period of time, but thou mayest worship at the Temple of ISHTAR, provided thou lose not thine Essence. And this is a great secret.

Ok in the temple of Ishtar soldiers paid temple prostitutes for some personal worship time.
So the Necronomicon is saying its ok to have sex if we worship at the temple of Ishtar and do not lose our essence.
Many women have the spirit of the Goddess within them. My wife for example is in truth a priestess. Her body is the temple of Inanna. By connecting with a priestess I connect with the Goddess in the sacred Hieros Gammos. So love making with her is permitted during the moon of purification.
What is meant by not losing ones essence? During the Moon of purification one should not masturbate or fornicate with frivolous women. Once chosen by Inanna there can be no other the Necronomicon states. And so it is against the covenant to be with a woman that the Goddess is not present in.
If one does not have a mate and can not contain ones self then masturbation is permitable so long as the act is done while thinking of the Goddess. The seed is then sacrificed to her and not lost.
The seed spilled with a lover returns to us in their affection and adoration. We have not lost our essence in this manner.
If no strings attached type sex is performed we lose our essence as that person does not return what we release to us.
I realize that many on the forum may have sexual orientations different than my own. The same rules apply regardless of preferences.
If you follow this manner of self constraint the gates are walked just as easily as if you had not spilt your seed at all.
Realistically though a man younger than 50 and especially a young man will have a very hard time not spilling ones seed for 28 days. For a young man this could be impossible. And so we must read between the lines to see through this blind.
As far as inscribing Nebo Gate on a Palm Leaf it also says that it can be written on fine parchment. Many occult supplies sell parchment paper which is just a really fine grade of papyrus like paper. Howe ever I have found the seals just as powerful on plain white computer paper.
Also the seals etc are supposed to be made on the metals of their sphere etc. Although I am currently working on those type of projects in the past I have always used just plain white paper. Using the metal etc makes a powerful amulet. Writing the signs in any manner connect us to the power of the particular gate.
Again we encounter a blind. The difficult in obtaining the proper metal etc put doubt in the mind of the pupil that the gate can be opened without it. The instructions are true to common sense in making amulets or pentacles. An experienced with other systems should see right away though this blind.
As far as being uncertain during ones first Necronomicon rituals goes….. I read the Necronomicon far a few years before I ever attempted anything in it. Initially I was afraid of it. There was no magick forum which I could log into to ask questions about the book. I had never met anyone who had walked the gates although my Brother, Cousin and a couple of friends were working with the Maklu text.
Yes I was afraid to try it. I have no shame in that. Fear often leads to proper caution. It is in the act of standing up to ones fear and accomplishing what needs to be done that is true courage. If something is dangerous and you have no fear of it you are not brave you are stupid. I was very cautious with the book for many years until one day it unlocked itself for me.
I actually stole my first copy of the Necronomicon at 13 much like Imperial stealing his copper for his knife. This is funny in that the Necronomicon claims to be a stolen manuscript. I do not condone theft but seriously when we were kids didn’t we all shoplift a little? Stolen objects may have properties more suitable for a tool than a bought tool. Consider this the time that you obtain a tool is its time of conception. If the object is stolen then we went through some trouble and risk to obtain it. Again I do not condone theft. What I am saying is we are probably all guilty of this crime in our youths.
We all have our own method of doing ritual. If we view our technique as superior to everyone else’s technique we close our minds to creative thought. There are many ways to skin a cat. If we examine others ways with an open mind we can always find something which could be helpful.
Even if one has no faith whatsoever that a Necronomicon spell will work. If one pays attention to detail and makes everything necessary the magick will still work. During the process of making the tool we gain a faith in it which we may not have had as beginners in magick.
Also making the gates and seals has a powerful subconscious effect.
So in short while tools may not be necessary they are quite useful.

May Anu Save us all.

Greetings,


I feel the need to clarify some of the things I stated in my last post.

First off, as I said, I have no problem with tool use. None whatsoever. What I was trying to say was that I feel they can become a trap if misused. It's like having a locked door in front of you. The tools always allow you to open it whenever you wish. But then suddenly the tools are taken away and the door remains locked to you because you have no method of opening it.
Also, when speaking of tools, it wasn't my intention to include sigils/talismans/amulets in that category. It may be a fine distinction I'm making, but somehow they never felt like tools so much to me.

Imperial. You asked if it was better to simply put faith in the gods or use stuff from the book to test it's validity. Well. That's actually a good question.
The fact is, you should do both. The Necronomicon isn't just a number of printed pages stapled together. It's unlike any other grimoire. It's almost like a living entity that searches out your intentions and thoughts. The book is not a book for dabbling. It's and all or nothing book.
I'm not really saying you did anything wrong in your experience, just that you got pretty much the proper results for the context in which you used the book. Experiences with the Necronomicon need be to built. They are by no means an instantaneous event.
Attempting to enter a gate to test the book is not going to generate any profound experience. Nor will simply calling a Fifty Name just to see if they appear. There is no harm in doing so, but nothing special will come of it. When it states in the book that there are horrible consequences for messing up, that's a blind. It's meant in way to teach the aspirant of the path to pay attention to what they are doing and to devote their time to learning the background of their Work.
I practiced this Path for many months before I attempted to open a gate. I'd worked closely with the incantations, the Bandar, the Fifty Names. Then I opened the Gate and had a very deep and personal experience.
In a sense, the Necronomicon is a book of foundations.
You take what it says, you absorb and then you create. You build your own ideas and methods and your own understanding of the faith presented. It's why I say it's not a book for dabblers. It only opens to you with time and experimentation and actual faith in the entities involved. It's a Priests/Priestesses book.

And lastly, a night in the woods dabbling does indeed sound much better than your alternative. I'd take a date with Pazuzu over such any day.LOL

Peace, Enki bless.
Nosotro Tehuti.

LMAO--ur point is well taken in the fact of not wanting to make things up and hear about "moon men". Yes--this book can definitely inspire some long-winded stories that are fanciful delusions. Thats the huge abyss that presents itself to the new initiate of this type of magick--or in actuallity all magick--as Im sure you may have dealt w/ in Ceremonial Magick. I had some very unrealistic ideas about what the gates were in my early days, steming from the "mad arabs" descriptions of the gate walking process. BUt after many years of reading up on Crowley, the Qabalah and the Tree of Life I got a better understanding of what the gates REALLY were--in my eyes. Others may experience a totally different vibe--no--form of the current. We have people over in Asia using the Necronomicon and also near India--using it in an eastern type of manner. This book seems to be an introduction (in my opinion) to the deepest level of the Divine Current of the Universe. Once you start really digging into this one finds the energies are quite primal and unrefined--hence their inherrit danger. Also why it would be wise to learn some Ceremonial type magick in the initial stages. A ritual like the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram is vital in training ones senses and also to building "magickal muscles".Or the Middle Pillar Ritual. Of course--me being all about the Necronomicon and Sumerian/Babylonian Magick- found a way to Necronomiconize those above said rituals. But a solid investigation into what the Necronomicon REALLY is and does is vital to its proper use.

well you shore got things clear for me.

so here is one more question how do i command one of the 50 names to appear in the mandal of calling? Is there a txt to read from the nec whrer it say's so?

I will say it again, the 50 names spirits DO NOT "APPEAR" or "MANIFEST" to your normal senses. The Mandal is an energy centering device--but not neccessary. ONCE AGAIN--the 50 names spirits DO NOT appear to your eyes, they work inside your mind.

This post has been edited by Eabatu: Mar 17 2007, 12:01 AM

Spellcaster, think of it like this. The 50 names if done by the spellbook method will appear (or not) in a mental evocation. Trust me you'll know what I'm talking about when you do it. For me I could feel the hairs on the back of my neck rise when I called them through that method plus the candle flames did move very stangely . Now I won't speak of how they appear because to me it was more of a feeling they were there than a full blown physical manifestation. Keep in mind I HAVE NOT walked the gates yet. So it's probably more profound if you do walk them than if your like me and use the system as I do. If you approach it as a priest you'll likely get a stronger reaction than if you approach this system as a ceremonial magician as I do. Approach them with respect and you will have nothing to fear. As for commanding them to appear this is not the Goetia or enochian where you constrain them to appear through the names of God. The 50 names are aspects of Marduk who is a God. You can't command them to appear and expect a good reaction or any reaction at all. We call them spirits but in truth they are not. They are divinities or aspects of a single divinity, thus commanding is out of the question. You ask or plead but do not command. Now as for what to say to call them. those instructions are in the spellbook which you can find at Amazon, Barnes and Noble or the internet. Good luck with your journey. Ultimately, you'll find the answers you seek. Have faith.
Remember,
To Dare
To Know
To Will
To be Silent

Greetings,

Gmcbroom is exactly correct here. When you call on the Fifty Names it's pointless to try and 'command' them to appear. When you decide on calling one of the names, draw out their sigil on clean white paper and write beneath the 'word of power/calling' listed for that name.

You then lay the drawn sigil out before you and meditate upon it while you recite the incantation given in the text
Peace,
Nosotro Tehuti.