Hello everyone!

So those of you that work with Enki, tell me

Is he a Necronomicon God?

If so is he based upon the Cannan (I think) God of water?

Is his personality anything like the Cannan Enki?

Thanks!!

Greetings 'Saul de Plume,

Yam was the Canaanite water God. ENki is Sumerian / Babylonian / Chaldean.

Here is a link to Enki thread. http://www.sacred-magick.org/index.php?showtopic=2305

This post has been edited by Edunpanna: Dec 26 2006, 07:50 PM

Ah I see, my book lumped them all together...that book was actually very unreliable I guess... but it was green...

Greetings 'Saul de Plume,

Its not a bad lump sum. Ea, Enki, Nudimmud, Yam. They are all pretty much the same God. The Turkish called him Hizzir long after the fall of Babylon. He was turned into a saint after the rise of Islam. Its all very connected.

Peace!

Well, seeing as how this is an Enki thread...might as well put in my own two cents:

For Abwoon sake, make sure you keep his libido down when invoking him! It's even worse when you are doing it alone! For men who have experience doing a full invocation, you know what I mean when he speaks with your mouth to a woman, using his usual charms on saying how much he loves "Teaching," right? That guy is impossible. In my experience, he likes to party, but tries to respect the invoked's preference for alcohol, and for action. When drunk though, OH MAN. What a hoot. (joke) For some reason, I believe the good Enki has a pondering interest in the modern behavior of abstinence (/joke)

Man, this guy knows how to correlate modern math and science with magick (thought impossible) with less than a blink of an eye, and with even less effort. My brain simply reeled with electrical surge when I was bothering myself with a magickal theorum (once it was down on paper, I calmed down though. Thanks, Enki dude! YOU ROCK...but my head still hurts!).

@_@ what a funky man. He's got more game than a professional POV porn cameraman. The best way I can describe my experience whith him (and in no way limit him to the properties of the adjectives describeable in this lower plane), was similar to that of a super straight-A cross between MacGyver and the studliest college frat football star in existence...that is the closest way I can describe him, however remote.

Intense.

Not to say though, in his calm times, he was most zen. He had the same proud feeling as those kung-fu Taoist Immortals you see in those martial art legends. Sorta like lord Raiden in the first mortal kombat movie.

Anyone who had experience with him had a similar feeling?

Your observations are most interesting, WyrdScience. In my very limited experience calling on Enki, I have found Him to be fatherly and protective. I wonder if He appears differently to males and females, or if perhaps He appears in the form which is most suitable for the particular person.

just an offhand here, but it is becoming apparent to some, although i'm not convinced yet, that the intensly physical 'dude' we know as enki isn't, or wasn't, a physical being at all, but a very old and very powerful jinn! - there is data to believe that ihvh=enki and iblys=enlil, and this also makes sense, as the whole covenant/burnt offering/sacrifice process speaks to that as more jinn than physical - if the anu are all just jinn, then it all makes complete sense

just my whacked 'tree fiddy', ymmv-airdc

e.

So you say but...



I still consider this comment to have more weight. Both are true, but your statement is instancial (based on a matter of instance and individual circumstance) where Penny's carries more of an ambivalence of which may be accepted to include your comment as well.

All the better, though, that you gave us information on his Jinn-form manifestation.

Greetings,

Enki appears in many cultures under many guises. He is Vishnu, Neptune, Poseidon, Thoth, Mercury, Hermes, Pan, The Horned God, Keyote etc.

He is the element water and its power to make the Earth fertile and give birth. The rain is the seed of the union between him and Ki.

There is no way that a spirit so great that he encompasses one of the 4 elements could be a Jinn. He is too powerful.

I do agree with wrdscience however.

He is a shape shifter and can manifest to anyone in any way he sees fit.

Peace!

Three things to remember about Enki

1He talks in riddles. He answers questions with questions. Like a Shao lin monk. He is always testing you. If he asks U a question it is a test. If he asks U to do something it is a test. With him everything is a test. Because he is trying to make you a great magician and a great warrior.

2 You must be humble with him. If you show pride he will turn his back on you. Give him the glory always. Know that it is he and not you that has the power and he will give the power abundantly. Be thankful. Be respectful. Be humble.

3 If you want power from Enki then use wisely the magick that he gives you. If You use it to do evil that magick is lost and will not return to you. If you do the right thing the power will amplify and return to you. But always return some of the magick to the
master so that his will may be manifested on Earth. You must give to him to receive from him. As long as he knows that U will not waste the power and that U will return the power to him he will give you power unlimited. But if you abuse it he will take it away.

and all the above are the markers of a jinn - an insanely powerful jinn, like the upper limits of the heirarchy - he could even be the top dog (and the xtian use of him as jehovah is highly amusing, but the position is correct) - so are there jinn which are greater than a single element, perhaps combining the flow of them all - just digging, no offense meant - i am seeing something here, like a waterfall of 'the force' or whatever - ah, the vision in the biblical revelation/apocalypse where the force of the astrological workings of the 24 seniors (the 12 signs and their overlaps) are finally combined into the 4 (super-elements) before the throne, and at the feet of the one, whom i think is enki

Greetings,

He was the greatest God of Sumeria. In the first recorded history of this planet in the earliest writings of humans he was a God. You can not name a God from any region of the world who is older than Enki. I do not see the wisdom in calling a God Jinn. For example I do not call the moon Goddess of the witches a Jinn. From the simple fact that people worship Diana as a Goddess in my eyes makes it extremely rash and rude to call her a Jinn. Many people today worship Enki as a God. His name is recorded through out history as a God. No where are their any writings which call him a Jinn. He is my God. I would not bother to worship something as low as a Jinn. That would be foolishness. Contemplate just on how many members of Sacred Magick worship Enki for a minute. Are their beliefs false?

This post has been edited by Edunpanna: Feb 5 2007, 01:28 PM

Um, where did you get the idea ENKI was a Djinn? I have NEVER seem ENKI called a Djinn anywhere! ENKI is a GOD.....plain and simple! Its like calling the Super Bowl just a game---its much more than that. So I would suggest re-thinking calling MY MASTER ENKI a djinn--its insulting and disrespectful.

Sorry Esoterica, but I find it baffling that you find Enki a djinn, and even more baffling that you seem to insinuate that YHVH is also one. For a start, would this mean that Enlil and Anu are also djinns? How about Enki´s relations? Enlil? Anu? Tiamat?

I don´t think Enki is the only god that demands sacrifices either. I´m sure that a lot of obeah and santeria practitioners would like to argue the point with you, as well as some thelemites (Fraternitas Saturni for example). And as for having a sense of humour, I think gods like Pan or Loki could argue against your point there? Or are they also djinns?

You really haven´t given any evidence to say that Enki is a djinn except for the fact that he behaves like a god (no, really?). From my experience of Enki, he is a pure divine emanation, comparable to Chokmah. He is a powerful god, and he is a kind god, but a god who will test practitioners who can be tested. I don´t see Enki as having the malevolance of a djinn, or the futility.

Enki means Lord of the Earth, which I think would be a strange name for a mere djinn. Could you please elaborate as to your evidence?

Zi Dingir ENKI Kanpa.

nyechna

Although classification of entities is somewhat difficult (Beelzebub use to be a god to his worshippers in the ancient times yet today he is considered to be a demon) it is ridiculous to call Enki djinn.

Ugh . There is no way in hell that Enki is a djinn. It's one thing to debate his identity among different religions, but calling him a djinn is dead wrong. He is not even anywhere near that class of entities. Saying Bandar is a djinn would be accurate. But not Enki in any way shape or form.

Enki is the embodiement of selflessness; I have never met a jinn who fits that description. I would also like to point out that the Sumerians believed that Enki fashioned mankind from clay. NOWHERE in jinn mythology is there ever a mention about a jinn creating the human race.

Its true that djinns do show several qualities that Gods posses like shape shifting, invisibility etc, but thats mostly due to their characteristic of being able to manipulate the elements they are composed of... like for instance water is a liquid and flows, so does mercury.... but these are compltete different things...



From Djinns do have powers and as you go above in their hierarchy so does the power... but its similar for humans too.. some people who attain siddhi in several stuff or able to arise their kundalini have more powers that others... but still we wont be as powerful as the gods so wont be the djinns...



Even djinns have had to be spiritual to Gods so as to grow in power...

It is very wrong to consider Enki as Djinn. Enki has taken the form of humans to come to earth when it was needed. may be the same he did for the djinn community...



Yet no djinns can have as much power as Enki and that i dont say as armchair but through expereince. Esoterica, do not get obsessed with this wrong belief as you could mess up any good ideology you have made up throughout your lifetime...



mystick

Greetings
And wow do you have your wires crossed comparing ENKI to a jinn or middle eastern elematal a lesser sprit .
ENKI was and is a god and as such their are parallels of ENKI in many other cultures.
Theologically the conceptions in the necronomicon are gnostic in nature and as a god this nature is seeming beyond
your capacity to comprehend.

Try becomeing a Baptis or something

Nebo

Not really.Fully realized human is more powerful than any god or djinn.As much as some gods may be powerful,wise and whatever,they are confined to certain spheres and modus operandi by the very aspects of what they are (god of "insert functions here").

Not at all, my opinion.. Fully realised human can be much better understanding of action and reaction and thus the universe and can also better handle elements.. But eventually Gods, talking about the universal conciousness manifesting as Gods, are the base themselves who cant be exceeded....

regards

mystick....

Greetings all.

First of all, i would personally not call Vishnu/Enki/Poseidon a djinn..Never ever..He is one of the oldest divinities in the world and i respect him as such.However esoterica does have a point in that djinns can wield alot of power almost like a divine being.Many underestimate the power of djinns..

There is a grp of djinns in the hindu concept that are insanely powerful beings and the five most powerful ones "pancha-boothams-" meaning- five Great Genies are actually the rulers of the elements of fire,water,earth,wind and air respectively.They OWN these five elements and unwield all power over them.The deva Agni for example,who is the fire god, is a master wielder of the element of fire on earth and people pay homage to him for that but he doesnt own the element of fire,The Great Genie of fire owns it.Surely then,there must be some djinns with similar powers as divinities,or at least the five great ones must have equal or even surpass the power of some divine beings.

And about humans being as powerful as gods,the Buddha once said that Humans are superior to any heavenly being and that even the devas envy us humans.Reason being,you could only achieve absolute enlightenment i.e Become a Buddha ,as a human,no other race or class can do that.Some Maha rishis in written history have surpassed even the great gods in power such as the Rajarishi Vishvamitra who created another heaven with his powers and Vashishta who was considered greater than the devas.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif) No wonder! I always had a hunch that Humans were the "middle ground" of the entire universe (not necessarily the middle/center, but "middle-men"), but this blows my mind, and also helps reaffirm alot of past notions I had about ourselves.

Whoa... I finally found the words and cohesion I have been trying to find to describe my feelings for humans for so long!

Too bad we're so easy to break and corrupt...but until then, I guess...

like i said - just digging, and no offense meant, and i am not defiling the gods, just, with their help, exploring their energy, and it is the gods themselves, including enki, that have spoken of these things to me - i've gone much, much worse places than this before, sometimes swimmin in pig sh!t to discover some single pearl that was cast before swine and trampled - and i must repeat this is not my idea but something that i am being shown, and that is still developing - perhaps this is the effect of aquarius, or just some ideal of this strand (or my brains are still pudding from the shift) - whatever it is, i've got it in my teeth and i'm not letting go (for that is my existence - to delve and to learn) - perhaps it will only remain an occult secret someday, hidden away in some deep dark safe at the bottom of some temple, but i will follow the trail i am set upon, or wither and die if i don't - oh and i often am led into things from the back door instead ofthe front, or an obvious and recognizable side entrance - and also many of the things that i have been led to, have never been wriiten of before (or even now :wink:, existing only in the universal subconscious for those brave enough, or the fool enough, to 'go there') - all that being said, if you wish to continue delving into this cesspit of human belief, then best open your mind, hold your nose, and grab a shovel (and some boots too, cause this stuff is deep) , but the thread did say 'discuss'

anyway, if it is truth that only humans can 'ascend' to the heights of god-hood, perhaps that is why humans were made in the first place, perhaps we are the 'fertile ground' needed for god development - there was once an episode on stargate where they stumbled onto a time-accellerated ascention-provoking area, and maybe that's not a physical place, but a race of people filled with the elemental forces (some say just air and fire but i say all) of 'life', cause when you die, four things come out of your body (the fifth being spirit)

still the distinct feeling is there that it is all 'jinn', now not so much jinn as we know the jinn, but super-jinn, a high race of super-elemental beings - everything, from our souls to the anu to diana and hecate and persophone and jehovah and all the 'spirits which cannot be seen' and the invisible god, gods and goddesses assigned to the planets and earthly forces - all of it could be these super-jinn

the 'jinn' are a race made of 'smokeless fire', and they are a heirarchy (they have a 'king')

indeed the jinn have a very great king, and a rebel 1/3 under iblys (who some say is 'satan' or 'the devil'), and the 'ruh-anu' (the old spelling) are the children of the jinn with earthly women (as in nephalim)

the xtian vision of john gives the description of the throne as a flow of power from the one (as in king), to the four elements, to the planets, to the stars - in a heirarchical nature, aligned with astrological knowledge of the time

now we have this problem that arises and we keep confronting here, somehow associated with babel and abraham's defeat there (from whence the defeated flew in v-formations, like migrating birds, to the land which would become ancient egypt), but i haven't seen that part yet - although it looks like the ancient egyptians went from nomadic cattle-herders to the greatest civilization right after that, with the help of the anu (and the rhu-anu) - that all the things of the earth are given different names by different people, alomst as if their communication with one another was suddenly cut off

now we come to ptah (quite possibly the biblical logos or 'word'):

"Thus it is said of Ptah: 'He who made all and created the gods.' And he is Ta-tenen, who gave birth to the gods, and from whom every thing came forth, foods, provisions, divine offerings, all good things. Thus it is recognized and understood that he is the mightiest of the gods. Thus Ptah was satisfied after he had made all things and all divine words."

(Ancient Egyptian Literature, Volume I: The Old and Middle Kingdom translated by Miriam Lichtheim)

ptah's words from the book of the dead:

Here offer the four cakes of Ra, and the offerings of the earth. I shall come forth. My tongue is like that of Ptah, and my throat is like unto that of Hathor, and I remember the words of Atem, of my father, with my mouth. He forced the woman, the wife of Geb, breaking the heads near him; therefore was the fear of him there. [His] praises are repeated with vigor. I am decreed to be the Heir, the lord of the earth of Geb. I have union with women. Geb hath refreshed me, and he hath caused me to ascend his throne. Those who dwell in Anu bow their heads to me. I am [their] Bull, I am stronger than [the Lord] of the hour. I unite with women. I am master for millions of years.
Sekhmet Standing Behind the Seated Ptah

-- The Chapter of Making the Transformation into Ptah, The Book of the Dead

so this shows that ptah controlled the elements (he breaks the heads of those who are near him in geb, which is the earth), and that he was able to have sex with earth women - this threw me off for a monent, cause how could even a super-jinn work that magick, but if the normal jinn can have roohani, or human-ish children, then he could too i assume, but his super-jizz would probably make them odd, just as some say the rhu-anu had flaming red hair (and the temper to match) and that they were giants

so, were the anu physical beings in ships that could fly in v formations (a'la our ufo's today), or a race of super-jiin-like people who could fly like migrating birds (a'la the jinn)

i say they are like the jinn, and we are their 'made' people - enki and enlil, ihvh and iblys, all different names for the same folk

of course they could be wrong, or i could be being deceived (but what would be the point of that?) - the feather of maat sways in their spirit-wind, but remains balanced even when reciting their words, so i don't think so

are we approaching a new era where the veil will fall, and they are preparing those who can understand for the event?
or are we being prepared to take our place among the gods?
or are we being stretched and pulled like the clay that ptah kneaded to shape us?
or am i barking mad?

e.

Greetings 'esoterica',

So you are saying that if Enki is not a Jinn then he is an alien? Aye on this issue you seem barking mad.

Even after hearing the posts of 10 people who worship Enki as a God you still call him a Jinn.

The King of the Jinn which you refer to is not spelled Iblys it is Iblis, Shayṭān, or Shaitan. For the Christians that is Satan.

So you are saying that Enki is either Satan or an alien.

I hope you are not just trying to stir up trouble in this thread.

You do not seem to have much respect for others opinions.

In an unabated act of impartiality I am going to reserve my opinion on this.

We will see what others have to say about this.

Your rant on Egyptian mythology I fail to see where it has any connection to Enki. It’s a Sumerian God not an Egyptian one just so you know.

I will ask you to stay on topic. And please don’t stir up trouble.

This post has been edited by Edunpanna: Feb 6 2007, 01:51 PM

Greetings :-)
Now what esoterica is describing on the powers at the highest hierachy is in fact describin another distinct type of entities from djinns... Actually you are putting the whole of the spirit world as the djinn race. Ghosts being the weakest ones.. this goes to faeries and such entites to demons/ angels and to the top Gods...

There is something i would like to point out is that Djinns themselves devote themselves to Gods... A very powerful djinn could cause people to like worship it and so one through centuries so that i derives energy from this devotion.. But when you come to the soul of Gods and how they functions at finer levels, when you see how they work out, its very very very unlikely that they are djinns...

And also you take your sources from sacred texts and similar sources... But yet i would say not to fully take them as 100% reliable sources... If you wish to learn more, ask the real possessor of knowledge since the begginning of times..

regards

Mystick...

sorry, all - i actually had to work , and i appreciate both the patience with my crazy idea and your intelligent replies

and no i don't know what i'm talking about - i'm trying to figure out this new information that there are two races (cabari and dung, or fire and earth) here on earth (and actually we are the aliens, since we were 'made')

there are two kings of the jinn if i'm not mistaken, one 'up' and one 'down' so to speak, or one positive energy ( which i'm assuming is ihvh since his opposite is iblys/shaitan) and one negative energy (who is Iiblys or iblis (ibls) and thus given the name shaitan after the really bad priest-king of mu or atlantis or somesuch) - iblys was the one who rebelled, and there must have been another king for who else did the non-rebellious follow?)

i need to bring forth enki again and see what light he can shed on the matter since he's the main player in this riddle

there goes the damn phone again - thanks, and i'll let you know what the answers i get are

e.

Greetings Estorica,

ABout half of the Jinn are supposed to serve Shaitan. The other half serve Allah. Allah I equat e as the son of ENki Marduk.


Here is some info on Jinn. Notice that they are regarded as a fire class of spirits. Enki is a water God.

Genie is the English term for the Arabic جن (jinn). In pre-Islamic Arabic mythology and in Islam, a jinni (also "djinni" or "djini") is a member of the jinn (or "djinn"), a race of creatures. The word "jinn" literally means anything which has the connotation of concealment, invisibility, seclusion and remoteness. In English it may be loosely translated as Ghost.

Jinn in pre-Islamic Era

For the ancient Semites, jinn were spirits of vanished ancient peoples who acted during the night and disappeared with the first light of dawn; they could make themselves invisible or change shape into animals at will; these spirits were commonly believed to be responsible for diseases and for the manias of some lunatics. Types of jinn include the ghul ("night shade", which can change shape), the sila (which cannot change shape), the afrit [ai'fɾɪt], and "marid" [mʌ'ɾɪd]. From information in The Arabian Nights, marid seem to be the strongest form of jinn, followed by afrit, and then the rest of the jinn.

Arabs believed that the jinn were spirits of fire, although sometimes they associated them with succubi (demons in the forms of beautiful women). The feminine form of jinn is "jinniyah" or "jinneyeh".

[edit] Jinn in Islam

Muslims believe that jinn are real beings. The jinn are said to be creatures with free will, made of smokeless fire by Allah (the literal translation being "subtle fire", i.e., a fire which does not give itself away through smoke), much in the same way humans were made of clay. In Islam, unlike in Christianity and Judaism, Satan is believed to be the Father or first Jinn (Jinn were created before humans) of the Jinn race, called "Shaitan". (Jinn have free choice, and satan exploited this in front of God by refusing to bow to Adam when ordered to do so. See Shaitan). In the Qur'an, jinn are frequently mentioned and Sura 72 of the Qur'an named Al-Jinn is entirely about them. Another Sura (Al- Naas) mentions the Jinn in the last verse. In fact, it is mentioned in the Qur'an that Muhammad was sent as a prophet to both "humanity and the jinn."

The jinn have communities much like human societies: they eat, marry, die, etc. They are invisible to humans, but they can see humans. Sometimes they accidentally or deliberately come into view or into contact with humans. Jinn are believed to live much longer than humans.

Jinn are beings much like humans, possessing the ability to be good and bad. An "Ifrit" is a type of strong and powerful jinn. Evil or malicious jinn are called "Marid" usually they're malicious due to their feeling they have been usurped by humans, example "Shaitan". To protect oneself against evil jinn, Muslims say the Arabic phrase,"Bismillahi! Allahumma inna 'audhu bika minal khubthi wal khabaa'ith", or another dhikr.[1] Jinn have the power to transform into other animals and humans, and they are known to prefer the form of a snake. It is also known that they eat bones and their animals eat droppings, that is why it is forbidden to perform Istinja (washing) with those items. Jinns also have the power to possess humans and have much greater strength than them. In fact, according to some hadith, the great-grandson of Iblis, or the Devil (who was born before mankind), converted to Islam during the time of Muhammad, so he must have been thousands of years old. According to the majority of Islamic scholars, Qur'an states that the Devil was not an angel (which is believed by Christians), but a jinn who was given a higher honour and rank than angels.[2] According to Islam, angels are different physical beings,made from light and unlike the fiery nature of jinn, they are beings of goodness and cannot choose to disobey God since they do not posses free choice as humans and jinn, nor do they possess the ability to do evil.

In Islam, the jinn were said to be controllable by magically binding them to objects, as Sulayman did when he imprisoned a djinn in a copper bottle, using the Seal of Solomon.

It is said that one could kill a jinn with the Inwa, a manner of throwing the stone of a fruit so hard so it could, in fact, kill something.

Evil beings from among the jinn are roughly equivalent to the demons of Christian lore. In mythology, jinn have the ability to possess human beings, both in the sense that they persuade humans to perform actions, and like the Christian perception of demonic possession.

Peace

This post has been edited by Edunpanna: Feb 7 2007, 04:42 PM

Enki is humanity divine father kind ,soft and warm he is very smart he knows what he is doing don't misunderstood great God Enki
but yes he could testing all the time i see nothing wrong with it if you need to learn some lesson or two for teaching you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

You can absolutly trust Enki (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Enki i have no words to describe him