Good day all,

I was mealy wondering: is it possible to have a conversation wile dreaming, with someone else who is also dreaming? I have looked at
some material about astral projection- that seemed more likely to turn up results- but got nothing useful. Would this be possible? If so is
there a good book on the subject (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Thanks

i dont have any books on the subjects but ive had multiple conversations with people i dont know while dreaming....usually they teach me things and once in a while i remember it and i apply it. i've even been in two group discussions while dreaming....i honestly cant verify any of it...but yes, i think you can do that.

Good to hear I'm not completely off kilter on this one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I too have had the dreams where I talk with one or more people. Yet, I have always viewed this type of dream to be something along the lines of "my inner self Telling me something I know."

I have developed some ideas on about this but still have a few questions. First off, I would like to test this, with an arranged meeting, but I don't know how I am going to find this other person while I'm out there. I have only ever wondered about, never had a place in mind when i started. So, if two people are lucid dreaming and they have a intention to meet, will they; or is a meeting more likely to occur when both dream about a particular place.

My second, idea was that i might be trying this the wrong way; it would seem easer- less uncontrolled variables- to try this wile astral protecting. I hope i get this right, but... Lucid dreaming and astral projection operate in the same "plain?" but AP has less interference. The self moves on with out the body. (Reading that I KNOW I got something wrong.)

Thanks,

Feed back would be lovely. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Lucid dreaming occurs in the inner plane, while astral projection occurs on any plane. When you project, you go to a plane that can either be within your sphere, or outside of it. However, when you dream lucidly, you are in the same dimension or consciousness as you are when dreaming, you are simply (well, not 'simply') consciously aware while in that state.

I have had conversations with people i'm very close to in dreams, and only one of those conversations was remembered by the other party as well. But, strangely enough, while we both recalled talking about the same subjects, we recalled different words. As though the thoughts were interpreted according to our respective natures and opinions of one another. Our only real success in it was that we dreamed about one another on the same night, remembered it, and recalled a similar conversation. We haven't been able to reproduce it at will since then, as we both have lucid dreams irregularly.

I have heard that people can speak with one another through astral projection, and don't doubt it at all really, but I've never been able to make it work. Either one of us was off target, or we were distracted.

It would be great to establish a meeting place of some sort - the astral isn't exactly like meeting at the waffle house off exit ##. Someone else made a post about possibly meeting at one of the gates of the necronomicon... I've pondered the idea of creating an astral beacon, in the form of a sigil, that perhaps two people could project through at the same time.

Sometimes during projection, if I visit people I know and speak to them, they will actually answer me back. When I ask them about it though, they don't recall saying anything. I believe that it's because of a separation between normal and astral awareness. That, or, my 'landscape' is reacting arbitrarily to my action. Still haven't got a good hold on that yet maybe.

Perhaps if a space was established - a sigil to get there, a description of the space, like a 3-dimensional sigil in a way - we could try it out.

peace

This post has been edited by Vagrant Dreamer: Feb 22 2007, 11:12 PM

If lucid dreaming occurs in the inner plane, how can two different people talk to each other; wouldn't that be like talking to your self? I am assuming that by "inner plane" you mean some level of my mind.



Are you offering to help in my little experiment? If so I would love to try, but we need some place else... meeting at one of the gates of the necronomicon is a good bit out of my league.

I am in you, you are in me. Though we appear to be individual and separate, there is ultimately only one consciousness, and though we are not immediately aware of it, it connects us through our inner planes. The reference point of 'inner' and 'outer' is a nearly arbitrary organization scheme in order to differentiate different frequencies relative to the ego. Talking to anyone, in a dream, or in regular waking life, is the same as talking to yourself. Turning your attention to the unifying consciousness, even before you can directly experience it, makes all matters of communication easier, including dream communication and regular telepathy, to say nothing of normal conversation.



Certainly! If the past is any guide to achieving success, it will take a long time. But, maybe if we decide on a time to try which is synchronized - I'm in the Eastern Standard Timezone, NY, USA - and we can try several different methods over time to find out which one is best, at least for us. Do you have a preferred method of projection? It isn't necessary to meet at a gate, I just remembered that it had been suggested elsewhere in the forum. I have never tried this before, as I haven't ever had a willing participant who could project.

Let me know your ideas.

peace

Regretfully, I am living in Hawaii. So, it may be difficult to find a time when we are both sleeping. Lucid dreaming is harder for my anyway.

As for prefered method, other than the difficulties with lucid dreaming a have no preference.

Send me A PM and we will work out the details-when, where ,how, exc.

Cheery-bye

One of you guys could choose a random book without telling the other what it is. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif)
Then over a few nights, fatherjhon checks out the book title and then on a given day tells Vagrant Dreamerwhat it is.


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Greetings,



Sounds, like that would aid in determining if we really are conversing, and at some point it will be - or some variant of it- added. Although for now, we will simply be trying to "established some rapport on the astral." -Vagrant Dreamer

Thanks for the input. If you or any one else can think of something, feel free to post.

Cheery-Bye

As vagrant dreamer described we all share a collective consciousness. What we do not share is a single way we percieve things. Everybody takes in and interprets information differently. So while I'd suspect you might have some success attempting to share dreams the more specific the information is you're attempting to convey to one and other the less likely you are to get it to work because niether of you will interpret the information the same way. What might work better is a picture or something visual. The information of the scenery in a picture is far more subjective than the matterial written in a book and I think it'd be much easier to find similar interpretations of the same information.

I'd also suggest that you both create a key word or mantra designed to put you both on a similar state of mind. Then fall asleep at the same time as well.

If somebody is interested, sometimes while lucid dreaming I meditate on top of Everest at about 3 in the morning or so. The place can be reached at any time. You know you've reached my spot if you find two oblisks at the sides of an arcane circle burnt into the ground. I don't want to share colors or scripts because that gives the game away. Your "key", or pass for access is Mt. Everest, 3AM by two oblisks and an arcane circle burnt into the ground. Anybody who is interested should try to visit this spot then pm me what you see. Its important that you send me your report via a pm so that you do not taint the minds of others. I will then say who was the most accurate.