It don't matter what side you use as long as you get results. Look at the Necronomicon as a battery with the positive terminal the Elder Race and the negative terminal the Ancient Ones and you have two halfs within yourself. So for the system to work at its full potential you must use both sides. And remember on page 189 of the Simon Version it states when Great Kutulu moves, and he is the very fire of the earth and Power of All Magick.
So Be It !

Pretty interesting thinking, but it states in the Necronomicon repeatedly that Enki is the power of Magick, but then again, Kutulu/Chtulu etc. could also be used as a great source of power BUT, use at warning for the Elder Gods won't like you too much if you use the Ancient Ones for yourself, for it is said that you would be an agent of the Ancient Ones, but then again if you find a workable way to use both, please tell us!!!! (Not being sarcastic!) But I will post another reply on here once I am more experienced in this subject.
Thanks,
~Christopher

Well there can be 2 possiblilites... If there are 2 groups then there must have been one supreme to create the 2.. But a more convenient is that the most supreme himself converted to multiple powers...they became Gods.. Now there were Gods that had some of things that made them choose separate paths... We people need to be cautions on whose path we have to go though... Evil is immortal as the ancient ones are... They are vanquised but i never see they are destroyed for good. so they must surely have a connection with the supreme as they are part of the supreme...



an analogy is that if someone says something bad to you, you have multiple ways to solve this.. each way or emotions lets say represent a quality of a God.. You choose to grab that guy and kick him till death is a possibility.. this emotion of anger will not go from humanity but will be there as will be the gods. It is you who will have to choose if you ask the guy first whats wrong with him.. if to ignore him or if he is continuing, then give him a little slap as a warning...: "Read my signature"...



so they can be opposite faces of the same coin but the faces are not the same...



regards



Mystick...

This post has been edited by mystick: Jul 2 2006, 12:06 PM

This here is my take on the Elder Gods and Ancient Ones circa 3/3/07. It has to do w/ the Creation mythos...

Now why did nothingness itself--or THE Ancient One beget APSU? Or why did nothingness become something. Akin to not existing and then suddenly become zero--which is not the samething! Zero denotes the absence of substance--nothingness means that--NOTHING.

My theory is thus--to expand ones power one must spread it out and let it grow on its own and build upon itself that way. Like spreading seeds and growing more plants that way therefore having more lifeforce--aka--energy. So THE Ancient One spread its essence out and begot APSU--first emination of existence ( I am led to think by the Sumerian Creation mythos). APSU was male in nature and in time his "waters" bore a companion TIAMAT. I tend to think APSU was the main body of creation whereas TIAMAT was the resulting material form of that "APSU" spliting apart or spreading out. Now TIAMAT bore "children" which really are the celestial bodies we call the planets. So she gave form to our percieved universe--so she is the crreator of the material plane then? I think so. Perhaps APSU was a theoretical/astral entity or thoughtform bore of the Ancient One. Out of that thoughtful came creation or action--hence TIAMAT.

Now what I am getting at is this, why would that which created everything want to see its demise? Mainly us humans. Heres why I think so. remember how I said THE Ancient One spread its essence out to gain more power or to grow, what would happen if something out there figured out this gameplan and decided to rebel against it and took matters into their own hands and wanted to harness that power for other resons. Well naturally we would have a war on our hands. Hence the cosmic war between the Elder Gods and The Ancient Ones. It is summarized that the Ancient Ones represent Uncreation and the Elder Gods represent creation. Well that may be true but it really is this:

Elder Gods represent self realization and Evolution unto higher principals of existence. In other words the Elder Gods want those "seeds" to know what they are and to grow up strong and bear good fruit for the universe and to create more good crop.

Ancient Ones represent the primal pure essence of the universe and donot like the tampering w/ the chaotic order ( I know, I know) of the "natural" universe. And we are an example of that tampering w/ the universe. And if we Evolve we are disrupting the original plan of THE Ancient One. For once one becomes aware of the fact they can become like THE Ancient One one can become more than a slave or puppet of some church or whatever. I happen to think that what the monotheistic mass-control-machine "GOD" really is is THE Ancient One. Not based on the scriptures or hymns--no--isnt "GOD" the beginning, the now and the end? Sounds liek what THE Ancient One is to me! So the church really is a complex herd control effort of the Ancient Ones to keep this Evolution I speak of and the Elder Gods desire for us to rise to "god-hood" stunted. It served only to delay the seemingly inevitable.

Whew!!! This is the ramblings of one mind only--this can be taken w/ a bucket of salt.....

All you said is correct. All about the Ancient coming again is also true they are going to come sometime based on some research I did on Nostrodamus. Some of his work can be retranslated into certain entities of the Ancient Ones. Can it be that Ancient Ones want to destroy all Universe then recreate it like Enki created it in the first place? I heard of a rumor that it's possible to revive Cthulhu once every time the stars are in the right place. Interesting point it may be but if that is so then can the battle of the Ancient Ones against the Elder Gods be reenacted?
In the end it could be all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blablabla.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blablabla.gif) but you know it makes you think and medidate.

You need to liberate yourself from both to achieve true illumination.

I have to think about this one but why would anyone want to liberate from good once they are with it? I mean all like goodness right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hmm.gif)

Good and evil are human concepts,in the True Self/Atman/Source Of All or whatever you want to call it,there is no good and evil.If one wants
to reach the "end" of journey,he must free himself from all things until only True Self remains.

Hmmmmmmm, I am familiar about what you say but in the end of the True Self I am all the way with good. You do make a point though about the certain balance if the yin yang theories which translates into good and evil being constantly in balance as to not rupture this delicat balance. Might have been primary reason of why Tiamat nor Cthulhu never got destroyed but sealed only. Nor did their spawns. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hmm.gif)

You didnt understood what I was talking about.So long as you cling to dualistic ideas like good and evil,you will not achieve your True Self.
But suit yourself you are free to believe what ever you want (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Ah ok! Well I understand this. It's thinking phase and I went through it when I was around 17 or 18. Yeah you really do have to that to find your true self in the necronomicon. I did it like this. That part is exactly what you saying. Later (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)