I was wondering being a newbie, when making a talisman how important it is making it on the correct day and planetary hour, also if you made it on a waning moon instead of a waxing moon like i should ,will it still work but have less affect, or will it do the opposite and not work. any reccomende sites for talismans would be much appreciated.

Best Regards Mark

What are you making?

I was planing on making several, protection for home and family, something to help with magical abilities, and a love talisman, etc,

Greetings,

What I am getting at is are the talismans tied to any certain system? Talisman can loosely mean the same thing as amulet. An amulet is something like a Pentacle of Solomon etc. A talisman can be interpreted as a charm made especially by the user and not especially something well known. A talisman could be a rabbits foot for example. Again interpretation of what exactly a talisman is can vary greatly.

What exactly are you planning to make?

Peace!

I'm confused. You want to make several potent talismans yet it is too much trouble to use the accepted day and time?

It is obvious you do not know if it makes a difference or not but somewhere you have read or heard that it does. You need to make that determination for yourself. You said you intended to make several so why not follow the accepted protocol for your most important one then the next one do not follow it then see what the results are.

Hi All and thanks for the replies, Ok im new to making talismans and was thinking of making a few planetary talismans using the cabbalist method, using the square kamea, sigils etc, the only method I have read about is in the golden dawn so any import would be welcome, infact if you think its above a beginner please say so, As for using the correct day etc this is something I intend to do but was just wondering what the affect would be,Infact it possibly applies in all forms of magick not just talismans, Hope i have made it clearer, and like i said any imput good or bad is welcome.

Best Regards Mark

Talismans are considered to be a high art. Some people won't agree with that but I think so. Actually in the Golden Dawn one of the adept grades you must create and consecrate a talisman and present it to the Chiefs to be tested before you are allowed to progress.

But that being said, there is nothing dangerous in talisman consecration. The worst that would happen is it wouldn't work or most likely just not be very effective.

I consider myself pretty decent with magick and my talismans are effective but not as powerful as they could or should be. Lotta skill involved.

I am sorry if I was a little snotty in my first reply but we get a lot of posts along the lines of, this is the way it is supposed to be done but can I do it this way because it is easier. In my experience the correct times and days greatly aid in workings such as this. It will not make or break the operation but it definitely enhances the final product. If your already working behind the curve there is no reason you should make it even more difficult than it already is. As I said there is a bit of skill involved. Your experience might differ, I can only relate my own work.

The purpose of creating an amulet, or any charm for that matter, at certain times under specific conditions is to fine tune the energy your drawing out and placing into the object. Its sort of like creating a machine. Creating machines to do different things requires them to be built with different elements. For example, say you want to make a machanical clock and a cammera. In order to make both you'd need different matterials and have to construct them in ways that will allow them to function for their purpose. Think of a talismen as a machine and making one for love would require different elements then one for protection. Making different talismens to carry out different functions requires them to be constructed at different times under specific conditions because those times and situations are specific to the type of talismen your making. Ganted the energies used are anywhere and everywhere in nearly infanite quantities all that means is there is more than one way to make a talismen. mMking one can also be compared to wood carving. Wood is availibe in large quantites as well but it takes a specific art, or practice, to be able to work it into some kind of finished product. To make a candle holder as a pose to a table requires different techniques. But again there is more than one method for creating the same thing - its no different for talismens. Really it requires experimentation and practice. maybe what you should do is create multiple talismens using different techniques. If you have two talismens for love and each was made using a different process then you should be able to tell which would work better.

If you are making planetary talismans then yes using the correct day and hour is not a bad idea. Let me mention that I have seen some crappy hour chart systems. The hours should be split properly as they would be on the sun dial.

Night and day should both be divided by 12. So measure the time from Sunrise to Sunset and Sunset to Sunrise. Then divide by 12. This will tell you how many minutes is in each hour. For example during Summer the hours of day are going to be more than 60 minutes and the hours of Night are going to be less than 60 minutes. Most newspapers tell you what time the sun rises and sets in the weather section. I think it is retarded to use the hours of our modern clock with this system. Use the Sun dial system. The Romans are the ones who started naming the hours after the planets. It is interesting that this Pagan practice made it into texts with Christian overtones.

If you are using The Greater Key Of Solomon and making those planetary pentacles then I would consider it extremely foolish and lazy to not make them during the proper hour. Personally I would make them all during the hours of the night except the Solar Pentacles. I however am a night owl. It really should not make much of a difference whether you make them in the night or day. The Lunar Pentacles you would be wise to make on the full moon.

Also consider that it would be foolish to make any pentacle while its planet is moving retrograde. Again the newspaper usually tells you what planets are moving retrograde. Of course you could check this easily online also.

Back to making these during the hours of the night. I think it is really cool to make these with the planets visible in the night sky. Once again the most newspapers tell you what plqanets are visible in the night sky. Also what time those planets rise and set. Wow not bad for 50 cents. Plus you can read all of the governments lies! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I hope this is helpful. The more difficult you make it to make these things the more of your concentrated will is going to pour into them. So do not go the easy route. Be a perfectionist in sigil making always.

Peace!

This post has been edited by Edunpanna: Mar 11 2007, 01:35 AM

Hi All, And many thanks for the advice, Do you find the more information you put on a talisman the better it will work, Or can you get data overload, I had planned to use parchment and make like a book, But round so it will have 4 pages to fill in with information, And be able to carry in pocket wallet etc, Here is a link to the site i have been using for planetary times.

Best Regards Mark

Greetings,

What I like to do is write the seal on the front. On the back I write exactly what I am hoping that the seal will do for me.


Peace

Hi All, i have to confess i have been looking at the kabbalistic version and do find it can be confusing, Do you need to put the kamea, seal,intlegance, angels, etc on, Or can you put a cut down version on it,Or even make your own version to suite the problem.

Mark

oh! very nice analogy! you vibrated a nerve with that one, mr A!

in my low, primal witchy style i'd have to use ogham o course, but higher meaning could still be established

could use a clockwork, too, or one of those scent players!

always turning and changing, but still providing for the same effect with different symbology under each different time and association

kinda like a clock - wonder if you could just use a cheap clock movement and a painted board (at least to test the concept to see if it works at all)?

very, very interesting! (and i bet it's been done or at least thought of before - it had to have been!)

es

Marky, you could do less . . . you could even create a talisman, which in form is entirely original and personalized. But if your going to make a Kabalistic talisman, you should follow "standard" kabalistic procedures. The less you do or the more you deviate from kabalistic methods, the less effective your kabalistic talisman will be. At a certain point your talisman may be entirely ineffective, from a kabalistic methodological perspective. And that would probably be the point which one should abandon the kabalistic methods, and take the talisman effectively from a different paradigm . . . perhaps choate.

But yes, particularly someone new to a particular traditions methods . . dont skimp. Use the full traditional method to get full effect.
Otherwise, its really difficult to know the whats and hows of modifications and thier effects.

Hi All, while doing my homework I came across this site with pentacles on http://www.darkart.homestead.com/talismanssolomon.html without sounding completely dumb what exactly is a pentacle and is it more powerful than a talisman or are they the same, the way I had planned it was to use the square kamea and all the sigils etc similar to this link

http://www.sacred-texts.com/grim/magus/img/pl04.jpg

then try to write on it what im after then charge it, or is it better to use a pentacle and write what your after on the other side.

Best Regards Mark

This post has been edited by Edunpanna: Mar 13 2007, 05:47 PM

Those are the pentacles from the greater key. You evoke the spirit then show them the pentacles which then instructs the spirit what to do. That is the basic explanation, they also contain the names of several spirits and angels you can call etc.

A talisman on the other hand is a created construct much like a servitor who is housed physically within the talisman.

Big difference.

Ok thanks nero, So know good creating a pentacle then charging it for a talisman,

mark

Simplicity is a good idea I think just because the more complex things get the more likely you are to cross wires with your intentions and create contradictory aims that would cause your talisment to back fire. I think intentions and personal desires are really the key things to keep in mind. At least in my limmited experience it took a lot more work to get my intentions right and matching my true inner desires as a pose to actually constructing and consecrating the talismen. I like Edunpanna's technique because its simple and easy to understand. You might consider looking into the Necronomicon spell book as it offers a simple technique for creating talismens as well. Another reason simplisity is a good thing is because as a beginner it would make less room for error.

I hope it wasn't a bad nerve...

This post has been edited by Acid09: Mar 14 2007, 04:57 PM

Many thanks for all the replies.

Best Regards Mark

Hi Guys, just out of interest this link i used earlier http://www.darkart.homestead.com/talismanssolomon.html as you said NERO they are pentacles from the Greater key, does this mean they cannot or should not be used as a talisman IE writing on the back what you want etc and only use them for showing the spirit when evoked. Sorry if i seem dumb just alot for us newbies to take in.

Best Regards Mark

Greetings markyy64,

If you believe it matters, then it does. Magick is large majority Intent. An amulet I made of crystalized gem, I made for protection. This amulet was aimed at a specific person, and everytime this person made contact with me, when they left, I noticed small cracks in the amulet. Eventually it broke, but I made it without checking the hours, as at the time I Believed it would protect me, and it did. Do what you feel comfortable with. If you believe the hour matters, then follow the hours.