Hey guys I have been peering and looking for a path of my own (sure you have heard that one before... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ) anyways i have been kind of interested in the necronomicon so last night i went to borders (a bookstore) and bought a book i had been wanting (tribulation force) but watched my little sister wander aimlessly trying to get a book so she asked me to help and upon accepting her plee i turn and the first book is (what do you know) the book of necronomicon i pick it up and begin to read it and as i begin to read it i notice that my hands had silver lining on them!!! it was crazy and the further i began to read the more visible it became!! so i put it back thinking that "if i am truly meant to read this book it won't be the last time i see it....( i put it back because i didt have enough money for it lol (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ) anyways i go home and tell my fiance' and as i told her she told me that she had a bad feeling about it and that she didnt want me to read it and as she told me these words she said she felt tight knots in her stomache and started getting hot!!! so i told her to pray and it went away!! (i prayed with her) anyways as i read that book i couldn't help but feel power, and thirst for more knowledge of its contents is was overwhelming!!!! lastly today as i was walking to school i felt a tight stomache and after it went away i felt a sharp pain in my foot... i take off my shoe and see a lump in my sock so i take it off as well and i see a very very large cut! so i limp home and get my mom to take it out the first layer was a soft black substance (like wood) then the deeper she went in the more glass she began to pull out and then the grand daddy!!! well now what can you guys make up of this!? please tell me i need your insight!!!!

P.S. I promised my fiance' i wouldn't read that book anymore..... (also it scared the hell out of me!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) )

Myroku,

relax!

of course i'm thinking 2 by 4! but i only have limited knowledge of the necronomicon path, so i bow to my betters!

someone will be along momentarily, probably tonite

the praying, to who or what (or which, lol) was it directed? christian?

es

lol i am trying to relax lol and i am but the prayer was to a dragon and an elemental lol i was thinking of a dragon that i long named long ago i call him ahkiel frankly the name appeared in my mind and i used it to name a dragon.... still dont know why i chose a dragon lol anyways i was praying for aid by ahkiel and protection by a water elemental!! lol sounds strange doesnt it?!

Given that you said you prayed with your fiance I take it your a devote Christian. This religion creates your spiritual psyche. Also since you said you saw the strange light had the strange mis-hap you probably believe in the supernatural. These combined create a mind that is susceptable to the energies of magick. If you believe the necronomicon is magickal then it is and it afffects you "magickally". This is not to say that some demonic force is working against you. Really its all in your head. That doesn't mean its not supernatural, just that these happenings are comming from you. So long as you believe you can be magickally affected by books the nec, some other grimoire and indeed even the bible may continue to cause you to have such strange occurances.

Really the book has no power at all. Its just an inert collection of words on pages and strange symbols. If we compare magick to the energy of momentum the book has potential energy but you have kinetic energy, and even more accurately - thermal energy. You have the power to make magick happen and books like nec are tools that can guide your power to manifest change. Thats really what magicians do. They use books and ritual tools, even sheer will power to harness and control their own ability. You generated those negative affects because you have no clue how to control or harness your energy.

Unless you intend to take a very serious and deep approach magick you cannot hope to experience anything more than occurances such as what the nec catalyzed. Furthermore you should avoid magick in general and use prayer to keep your own kinetic magick at bay.

well i am not a christian but i understand what you are saying but do you have any suggestions on how i may harness my energy into something more and grow in exp. and will power??? also take a look at who i prayed to i am not sure why but for some reasons i dont know the 2 entities i had prayed to ( they are in my 2nd post) i feel almost drawn to them like they are a part of me... can any help me on what that means?

mm,

yep, very true! these spirits, gods and goddesses, etc that we work with seem to demand two things: righteousness (as in being good potent herb versus some old dried up stuff, and you are worth their time) and honesty (never lie to them, even unintentionally, hence the saying 'i will do my best', rather than 'i will' since you could be hit by a car and not complete the task)

you saying "if i am truly meant to read this book it won't be the last time i see it....", then promising your girlfriend you'd never read that book again! - oops!

if you are saying that you feel you may be possessed(?), and thus the rage (from the other post), and the names popping into your head? i doubt it, since you appear to still be the one in control of you.

the water elemental is good protection, and so is the dragon, as it is all elements in one

as for historical answers, there are plenty: in past days you would have been instructed to find a quiet spot and (physically) build a temple to the energy you feel - if 2 entities then you would split it down the middle as you feel right about it - let them know you feel about them by visiting their shrine - and you would enjoy them, for they are your 'patron spirits' - today you could construct an imaginary temple (using the energy to make it firm), or even do it in the physical with something like a small box or bonzai garden, or just a pile of rocks, with small carved figures to symbolize your patron spirits

nowadays, in the silliness of the 'one way only' world, you probably want to talk about this to your fiance before you get married - you may have to choose her or them

i may be totally wrong on this, but that is what i got

es

This post has been edited by esoterica: Mar 26 2007, 04:34 PM

Greetings Myroku,

I am not surprised in the least that the Necronomicon drew such a reaction. I've spoken to quite a few folks who have had strong reactions to it just by encountering the book in passing. This is especially common among people who have a latent magickal talent.
When you speak of your fiance getting those feelings from your encounter, it seems in a way pretty natural for the energies of the book. Where as many other grimoires and such deal extensively with Entities outside of yourself, the Necronomicon deals also very very strongly with your inner self. So it's energies can at times touch those parts of you. I wouldn't take this experience with the book to be a bad thing, just an intense one.
The entities you speak of praying too sound a great to me like Servant Spirits that you unknowingly created. When someone has a latent magickal/psychic talent, our emotions and subconscious can sometimes 'hijack' those abilities to create Servant spirits to do one of two things.(usually).
The first reason may be to assist us in our daily lives with something something that is bothering that we don't know how to consciously deal with. The second reason may also be a simple outlet for those mental energies.
When you pray to them, you are, in a way as Acid09 said, you are dealing with your objects of your own mind.
As for how to refine and use your power, to gain from it and grow with it. Try sitting quietly on your own, somewhere quiet and just meditate on it. Explore your personal feelings and thoughts about what this is and what it means to you. Get to know it, understand it. Learn what causes this power to act, the 'triggers', so to speak.
You will find that certain emotions or situations will cause this power to come bubbling up.
From there you can determine what you wish to do with this energy, where you would like to direct it. You may find you wish to direct into actual magickal practice, or simply to direct it into your day-to-day life. That will all be up to you.
I think the most valuable piece of advice I can give on this matter is for you to not shy away from these experiences. Don't let it all overwhelm you. Explore it piece by piece and work it out to something you can understand and use. This energy is a vital part of you that can't be removed or ignored. But it's also not something harmful.
When you feel you are ready (and if it does not go against your religious beliefs) pick up a book called 'Modern Magick' by Donald Michael Kraig. You don't have to use the 'magick' aspect of it, but he gives quite a few insights into the nature of personal power and the way it works.
Best of look to you,
Peace,
Abba En Nosotro Tehuti.

what you are saying helps a lot and thank you!!!
anyways the name ahkiel has been in my head even before i got into magick!!! as for the promise i will keep it i was just thinking at the time "if i am truly meant to read it this wont be the last time i see it...." also what exactly is a patron spirit?? can you explain... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by Myroku: Mar 26 2007, 04:20 PM

I have to agree w/ Acid on this one. You seem to be looking at The Necronomicon in a fanciful Harry Potterish type of way. You seem VERY suseptible to suggestion. This book is no toy--nor is any grimoire for that matter! I would stay away from magick for now. To use the Necronomicon in an effective way you must detact yourself from mythical Christian beliefs--sorry to say. For, in my opinion, those Christian myths were derived from sources that got it from other sources which in turn got it from even older sources (so on and so forth til Sumeria)--so the power of the Christian prayer might not have too much power over the priaml power evoked in the Necronomicon.

what power evoked the necronomicon? and also i am not christian (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) i am gnostic

Does the book still scare you? Have you read it?

Peace

i began to read it when i became scared.. i became scared because it was unlike anything i had ever felt.. it was as if it was calling me urging me to attain its secrets... it was in all overwhelming it filled my mind with thirst for power like i would become the most powerful... like i was being corrupted from the inside out because it isnt like me to have such a strong lust for power and knowledge... in fact i was so in to the writings that i only managed to stop after my sister told me to hurry up and get ready to go...what do you make of this??

If I may. I'd like to recommend that you should should treat the book, and any grimoire for that matter, with a healthy amount of respect. Don't fear the book though because fear makes people do stupid things. Respect it, read it & (when your ready). Irrational fear isn't healthy. Its true that this book does tap into ones fears and gains power from it but respect is the key here. Your 16, not a bad age but your hormones are raging out of control and the fear this book generates within you isn't helping that. I suggest you step back from it, and come back to it in a few years (yes I said years). Trust me you'll know when.
gmcbroom

well, what i would tell, go through the book a bit to know the scope and whats the deal with the Nec.



Know what it is to respect such entities as in the book. Know the implication of working with them.

Then look for a copy of the Necronomicon spellbook. Go to Ashnook web site and learn some banishing techniques (the web site link is in Ashnook profile). Then work out certain non materialistic, constructive spells... well ziku is also kool and you could use his powers for some materialistic stuff but you need to have the knowledge that its not you who decides how much and how. The names are here for a very long time so they know better how to treat things. I advised non-material because as i mentioned for Ziku you need to understand certain subtle concepts about life itself before knowing how to use the names for material stuff.



As you progress, your intuition will tell you what should be the next step.



Mystick

thanks guys i appreciate it alot!!! i think i will probably wait awhile (years months until i know i am ready for it) thanks again everyone and i appreciate it!! but i have one last question what is a patron spirit??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I agree. If you are lusting for power the Necronomicon could open up a can of worms in your life. If you fear the text then certainly do not try to use it. If you used it in such a mind state you would be doomed to failure before even beginning. Read the book all you want. It is a nice read. Maybe in a few years you will be ready to use it.

Peace

told him that he'd get great answers - sacred magick folks are the best - i could feel his anxiety, but it is gone now, thanks

es

If I may add a thing or two, I would suggest that you take time and write out your goals, ambitions, and etc, on a sheet of paper. Then take another sheet of paper and write out your motives for looking into the occult world. Meditate on these two lists for a few days, and tell us about you dreams thereafter, moods, and any other observations that you may have of yourself. I think this exercise will answer all your questions.

Greetings,

I must absolutely agree with Warlock Asylum. Solidify these aspects of yourself and turn inwards to discover the answer.

thank you all of you your information has been most helpful for me!!

Hey,
I've got a question about the watcher's bowl and the sacrifices made therein. The Nec says you should sacrifice to the watcher once a month. Then in another place it says that you can call the watcher at any time you feel you are in danger,unless you haven't sacrificed in the space of one moon(month). So does this mean that you can omit monthly sacrifices without having too much trouble,and resume them when needed?

The Nec isn't one of those "once you get in,the only way out is in a box" sorta things is it? Could one use the methods for awhile and then quit? How would a person dispose of the tools such as the AGA MASS SSARATU if need be? Just incase you had to leave in a hurry and couldn't take stuff with you,seems that it wouldn't be wise to leave your tools lying around where anybody can pick them up. Not asking this for lack of appreciation,I just don't like keeping up with lots of stuff.

I'm also unclear on whether one has to have walked all the gates before evoking the Fifty Names,some lines in the book give the impression that you don't need to,and one line states that you do need to. I know this has been addressed already,but further clarification would be nice if possible...

And of couse,no offense intended to anyone,incase I may have said anything that might offend people.

*doesn't want to get eaten*

This post has been edited by pyro: Mar 29 2007, 07:27 AM

Greetings ,

You must sacrifice at least once a moon cycle or the Bandar will rip you a new a$$.

You can use the Nec without the Bandar but once you invoke the Bandar you can never get rid of him. Simon says if you neglect the sacrifice it will begin to feed off you similar to an astral vampire. You may become tired and lose control of emotions etc. If you are not going to sacrifice to the Bandar for a long time then you have to banish it. When you call it back you must sacrifice to it or it will turn on you.

It is a powerful spirit and will help you in ways unimaginable if you sacrifice to it often.

You do not need to pass the first six Gates to use the 50 names. They are summoned more easily however after passing Marduk Gate. I know few people who have passed Marduk but a ton of people who successfully use the 50 names. You are right though what is stated in the Necronomicon conflicts with what the Spellbook says on this.

Peace

Ah,thanks for clarifying that.

So you can omit monthly sacrifices if you banish the watcher? When posting that question I hadn't kept in mind that some people choose to keep the Bandar with them almost constantly.

This post has been edited by pyro: Mar 29 2007, 07:49 AM

If you are not going to do the monthly sacrifices then U need to banish him every time you call him. When U eventually call him back do a fresh sacrifice. Its the only safe way without sacrificing frequently.

Peace

Does anyone have an answer about the tool disposal question? Think dismantling and/or burying them in a secluded place would suffice,or perhaps burning the ones made of flammable materials? Wouldn't want to piss off any gods. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif) I'm basically asking,*if* I were to use the methods of gatewalking and other things in the Necronomicon,can I get rid of the tools and stop using the system after some time without incurring the wrath of any spirits?

And in the book of calling,it says you should get a "round load". What is that?

"and by burning offerings of pine and cedar. And a round load shall be brought, and salt. And, having offered it to the personal deities, the Priest shall pronounce..."

Furthermore,I can't seem to find any method of calling a particular spirit in the book of calling. I could have missed missed something,but all I remember seeing is afew incantations/conjurations for no spirit in particular. Are you supposed to learn this from your watcher,or perhaps in the process of walking the gates?

This post has been edited by pyro: Apr 1 2007, 06:40 PM

Greetings!
I think you are a victim of a 'typo'...it should read 'loaf' as in 'round loaf(of bread)'. Edunpanna or one of the Nec people will know for sure. But...a question...why do you wish to dispose of the tools? After working so hard to accumulate them, why get rid of them? Just curious... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Wow,people reply quickly here.

Thanks,I probably wouldn't have noticed that for quite awhile,those pdf files are often riddled with typos. Well,if it does read "loaf",anyway. But pdf files still contain lots of typos!

Maybe I just don't like commitment. Or maybe it's paranoia. If there comes a point when I no longer need or have much use of the tools,I really don't want to hang on to them,at that point it seems more like a burden. Say you're traveling ALOT,without a secure "base of operations" to store stuff,it'd be one less thing to pack,keep hidden,and worry about people stealing. (not that I'm traveling alot right now,but I'd kinda like to see the world sometime,ya know?) You can usually make new ones if the need arises,right?

Please excuse the excessive editing,I always forget to add something. Can't mods can see the previous versions of edited posts? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by pyro: Apr 1 2007, 07:35 PM

Greetings Pyro,

Those PDF versions actually screw up vital words in the conjurations. I have read some pdf of Necronomicon in which the Sumerian words seem deliberately changed. If you are going to try anything I recommend that you purchase a paperback copy.

You can banish the Watcher but once you summon him there is no getting rid of him. He will never go away. If you destroy his sword I would think that he would turn on you just as described in the book.

Regardless you do not have to summon the Bandar in order to work with the 50 names of the Maklu text.

Mods can not see your pre edited posts.

Peace!

Greetings forum,
I have been practicing CM a long time, and was wanting to delve deeper into the study and practice of the Necronomicon system.

I was wondering about a few things around the Necronomicon.

#1 Yog-Sothoth. Lovecraft myth? Real top chaos ancient elder one? If he is part of the non-mythos and is real, where does he fit into our useage of this system?

#2 Cthulhu. Lovecraft fiction, or real? Is he the master deciple of Yog-sothoth (I read on Wiki)? Does he want us harmed, or to flourish? Where does he fit into our useage of this system?

#3 Who are the ones we "Look up to" "Worship" "Call God" "Call Master" "Deal with"(not sure how to ask)? Enki? Marduk? Tiamat?

I am not as versed in this subject, but i appreciate all info you can help me with. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

Greetings!
Yog-sothoth and Cthulhu are inventions of H.P. Lovecraft (and a small handful of authors - Ambrose Bierce, C.A.Smith, Robert Howard, August Derleth, Brian Lumley...etc.). Use of these 'gods' was utilized by present day Chaos Magicians. The more people read and interact with their concepts the stronger they become. The Simon Nec has borrowed these as have Kenneth Grant and his crowd. They have as much power as you give them. They are not your friend, representing the invading side. It is claimed that Yog-sothoth is the gate keeper between this reality and the 'in-between' dimensions where the Great Old Ones are trapped. Cthulhu lies Dreaming. Someone equated the Lovecraftian Old Ones with horrific Elementals, Hastur/Air, Cthulhu/water, ShubNiggurath/Earth and Cthuga(?)/Fire. Your call. I don't subscribe to these correlations or pantheons...but it makes for wonderful literature! IMHO...of course! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)