Who do we deal with in this system then?

Well, most of us take Enki and Marduk As our Masters - gods if you will. Also there is Inanna or Ishtar. Some of us chose to serve in the name of all of them while some chose to serve only one of them. The choice is yours - just don't choose those gods that are mentioned in the Urilia text. Those are the ancient ones witch we do not serve. The 'dark side' of the nec is the service to the ancient ones. so the choice is yours, if you want to get even deeper in the nec study you can sign up for a priest/knight. That will give you additional ease in working with the nec because they use the nec in a bit of a different way than it is said in the nec itself.

Take into notion the fact,that although Lovecraft as a materialist denied all reality of his Cthulhu Mythos,the fact is that he received most of his inspiration through horrible dreams
he had since childhood,and that he himself was a weirdo suffering from various phobias and irrational behavior,you can assume that in the core of his Cthulhu Mythos there is
something more than
pure fiction.Experiments with Cthulhu Mythos made by Michael Bertiaux and his lodges,and many other magicians,proved that there are more to it than just fiction.
My opinion is that Old Ones are ancient concepts that represented "gods" of mankind when we were still in the caves.The cosmic fear and terror of the Old Ones probably closely resembles
the fear and terror in the minds of ancient humans,that were (in their eyes) surrounded everywhere with powerful,monstrous and destructive forces.They associated destructive phenomena
of nature with terrible powers behind them,similar to animism but on even more primitive level.For thousands of years such concepts were buried deep in the subconscious levels of humanity.
For some reason they emerged once again,through subconscious mind of Howard Phillips Lovecraft,but now in form conceivable to developed mind of modern humans,and that form was of
monsters with shape,names and mythology.

This post has been edited by Ra Hoor Khuit: Apr 2 2007, 07:17 AM

Thats what I LOVE about this forum, Ya'll seperate the real, from the bullsh1t. Thank you for the good info guys. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/banana.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/banana.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Greetings Ganzar,

Spellcaster is exactly right. 95% of us who work with the Necronomicon worship the Elder Gods. He's also correct in the practice of taking on one of them as your 'patron' deity. Most commonly it's either Enki, Marduk or Inanna. Personally, it's Enki for me and most of my brothers/sisters in the lodge. However, we still have a complete practice of worship for all of the Elders.
As for the existence of Cthulu and yog-sothoth. Those are names and images created by Lovecraft. However. as Ra Hoor Kuit hinted at, there are entities which our mind places these images and names upon. i wouldn't go to the degree of saying that they are Cthulu or yog-sothoth, but those names and images from Lovecrafts fiction just seem to be a way for our mind to associate these beings with something we can understand.
I think the reason our minds choose that imagery is because most of begin walking the path of the Necronomicon because of reading Lovecraft and wanting to discover what's what. So those images he created are already in our minds, in our subconsius.
Really, it's the same with Enki, Marduk, Inanna etc... They are the Elder Gods and described as sometimes doing things we associate with being 'human'. So when we percieve them we assign them some anthropormorphic quality. Such as seeing Enki as a strong, virile, human male. In the minds of us humans, that is what he represents, so we create images to help ourselves interpret the experience of encountering Him.

Also, I noticed you said that you've practiced CM for quite a while now. That's cool, a strong background in magick is always useful when going into the Necronomicon. But I would say to be somewhat cautious of employing a Ceremonialists methods too strongly in this system. When, for instance, working with the Fifty Names of Marduk. It would be unwise to try to 'bind' them into service, as you would with a Goetic.
The spirits/gods of the Necronomicon will, at best, not respond to that type of method. At worst they will bring some bad juju down on you out of anger. Working with the Necronomicon, I've found anyway, is best taken as a combination of sorcery and shamanism.
What I think i'm trying to get at is this. Working with the NEC is best done very organically. Take the sigil of the spirit and sit calmly on the floor and just meditate on it while chanting the Word of Power. Allow the spirit to come to you in it's time. Also, it's not the norm for them to appear in a Black Mirror or scrying tool. Usually they direct images and sounds into your mind and allow you to percieve them as aspects of your subconsius.
But that's just my experience and that of a few of us. Explore this and discover for yourself what works and what doesn't. There really is no right or wrong way to work with the Elder Gods. The only requirement is a purity of intentions and treating them with respect.
Oh, and one last thing. It's generally accepted among us who work this path that the Ancients want nothing more than the complete non-existence of our race. They basically represent utter destruction. You can choose to follow them, of course. That's your call. You will discover which side you wish to join as you work the system.

Peace,
Nosotro Tehuti.

Well has anyone tried to do an invokation from the book of 50 names at daylight? Is it possible to do it? The thing is I'm tired at night and mostly don't want to stay up late because of school. So is it possible to make these rituals work in let's say 6 AM or later?

Yes it is. In fact you can call for their aid at anytime. That is of course your trying to call them through the Necronomicom Spellbook method. Good luck. Keep in mind that Simon who brought both books to light has admitted to several blinds in each. The only way you'll ever find out what the blinds are is to perform the rituals. Its he's way of weeding out the unworthy. The only truly important thing is to respect the necronomicom system. Approach it with faith and it'll work. When in doubt just remember this: To Dare, To Know, To Will, To be Silent.
gmcbroom

Hi all,

Well, it's fascinating to see this thread. I've not found anyone before who'd worked with the Simon Necronomicon. Some questions I was going to ask are basically answered here already.

Has anyone here worked much with Marduk himself, as the ruler of the fifty names?
If so, what is he like compared to other spirits- helpful?

I knew someone who'd made a pact with him, [Like a mutual-benefit thing - favours in exchange for honour and offerings etc, a method somewhat as suggested in the New Falcon book "Pacts with the Devil"- I don't mean a soul-selling pact.] I'm not comparing Marduk with Goetic spirits here either, just indicating the method of calling and document-making he used.
He said it worked, an that it was the only method that actually worked for him to get the hugely life-changing results he was in need of.
I helped him in the ritual and with the wording of the Pact, and everything seemed fine, and he got what he wanted, after a year or so. Nothing much happened in the ritual [no manifestation or visions] and I was a touch skeptical at first, but the results certainly came for him.

Greetings 'redbreast' date,


The Gate Gods can be summoned like any other spirit after passing their gates as described in the Necronomicon.

Some people on this forum including myself have made pacts with MArduk and Enki.
I am happy with what I have received from Marduk. He is only to be summoned when someones life is in danger. Per Nec instructions. However the 50 names of Marduk are in a way aspects of Marduk and can be summoned easily.

Peace!

Hey, i was wondering, should.t the pentagram work in banishings, It is in the nec the 5 pointed star of war energy very much like that of guberah?

Also in the 'Gates of the Nec it says that set is the one who constantly is reborn and dies. I thought that was osirus.... I also think that it says that Set never dies earlyer on in the book and is immortal in a different way than the god who is reincarnated.

i Just a bit skeptical because a lot of this book the ideas seem tied together when the comparrison is often a bit to removed for the implied facts of ancient cultures. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blablabla.gif)

In the Nec that symbol is known as the Arra Star, and it does serve to remind the gods/names of their covenant with us, along with the Agga. For the darker entities that sometimes pop up, its never been useful for me, typically the eight pointed star, or the star of Anu (the eight spokes looking symbol) is more effective, although the pentagram may be effective as a sheild, assuming that you believe in it as a symbol of protection. I don't, so it never worked for me.



Ah, no, just finished this book, and it identifies osirus as the god who dies and is reborn. It explains that set never dies. And that he sodomized Osirus, which is something I never heard before.



Well, skepticism is good. Also, cultural knowledge has to be translated quite a bit into western thought in order to make comparisons, so in my own opinion, the book could only do so well and still be readable by an audience. If you're curious about the deeper aspects of what it brought up there, go do the research yourself, make your own interpretations, and decide if they also tie together. Research into ancient mysteries is perhaps the most exciting part about being a knowledgeable occultist! Well, for some of us any way...

In any case, you don't have to believe anything, none of it is real anyway, just stories, symbols, manifestations of a ceaseless, formless truth of being. So for that matter you might as well believe it, cause it's fertile ground for lots of other mysteries just as interesting and useful one way as the other.

peace

I always enjoy a good reply, thanks

I am new to the system in the Necronomicon. My approach at this point is to first, read as much as possible. This forum is an excellent resource, and I just finished the Gates and the Dead Names books. Next, I am going through the spellbook, one name at a time, focusing visually on the symbol and using the word of the entity almost as a mantra. My goal is to be able to to visualize each symbol, know the name and the word associated with it and to do so with no reference to the book.

Interestingly enough, each name I have worked with so far has a very different "flavor", for lack of a better word. Several had inspired me to speak to them, some haven't Some make themselves known immediately, a few others come on slowly.

Because of the obvious effectiveness of this system, I want to build a strong foundation before I try too much. The hardest part has been to discipline myself to a methodical approach.

Any criticism, advice, or feedback would be appreciated.

Actually no. Your approach is excellent very methodical (which will keep you from making mistakes from the start). Now I recommend going to Molochsorcery.com and picking up the Necronomian: The workbook Companion for the Necronomicom. Its his take on the Necronomicom. In truth its rather short for the price you'll pay; However, I believe its worth every penny. after all, your getting one man's opinion and advice when at the time it was published there was no other resource so its good; and the technique he gives is useful atleast to me. I have yet to get Alric Thomas's book on the Necronomicom; but I will recommend that as well because its good to have all views expressed even if you don't necessarily agree with them. Lastly, do you want to approach the system as a priest or as a magician? If a priest of the Elder Gods then I believe someone may contact you soon. If a priest of the Ancient Ones or a Ceremonial Magician, you might be plodding along on your own. Either way welcome to the Necronomicom area of Sacred-Magic.org. May your journey be enlightened and long.
gmcbroom

PS- my grammer sucks but I hope you get the gist of what I wrote.

This post has been edited by gmcbroom: Apr 16 2007, 09:35 AM

Excellent advice on the books, thanks!

"Lastly, do you want to approach the system as a priest or as a magician? "


That is an excellent question, one I have not answered for myself yet. A little bit about my background. In some ways, I am a natural occultist, with a great feel for energy work and a good degree of intuition. I have studied several systems, but few of them appealed to me beyond basic techniques. The paradigms simply seemed, to me, to have no truth to them. The few times I have made active efforts to use what ability I have (a banishing of an annoying critter for two) I was able to do it with a "feel" for the energies needed. Not perfect, but effective.


However, the Nec system is MUCH different.I first picked up the book many years ago, read it, drew some sigils, and began to have nightmares. At that point, I simply wasn't ready for it. Recently, after some pretty life altering experiences (nothing occult, btw) my interest in the Nec came back. My first experimentation with it was focusing on the seal of Marduk and was without a doubt the most overwhelming working I have ever done, and that includes my previously mentioned encounters with ethereal critters. I am not a joiner (not that there's anything wrong with that, it just isn't my way), but to be honest, my experience with the Nec so far has been so powerful, and the method and the entities that I have contacted so familiar and comfortable, that I am not making any choices now as to what my long term goals are, and how my approach may change.. I am student, that is all.


While that may sound bad, for me to even admit to myself the possibility that I might do more than drift through this is quite a staggering change.....


"
PS- my grammer sucks but I hope you get the gist of what I wrote."

I am grammar challenged myself.....

This post has been edited by Gemini23: Apr 16 2007, 11:52 AM

I may add one piece of advice. It appears you have the proper attitude to use this system. I would definitly continue doing what you have been doing, in time I feel you will reap some excellent results. But one piece of advice I might add is this: call one of the 50 names of MARDUK. find the one which is calling to you the strongest--since ur saying ur good w/ energies it may be easy for you to hear that calling. Me, personally, I would suggest ARANUNNA-name 39 for your first calling of the 50 names....but that is just me.

ok, get ready for some noobish questions


1 Should I focus on one first, get familiar with it, then continue working with that name and slowly build to the others?

2 Should I work from the first names to the last ones in order? In my past I would just chosen the names I wanted to work with, but I was told explicitly the first night I meditated on Marduks seal that now was the time for me to become more disciplined in my approach, that since the system had called me and resonated with me, now I had to let go of a bit of my rebelliousness and clamp down to learn the lessons that I have coming.


Never has an entity spoken so directly to me, and given me the feeling overwhelming power, familiarity, and the sense that yes, this is where I have been headed all these years


3 I find it takes me a day or two after each name to adjust to the new energies around me. If this common?

This post has been edited by Gemini23: Apr 16 2007, 04:04 PM

I would suggest for now to work w/ the names one at a time. My suggestion is to call Aranunna first. He is ENKI vizier, and he gives good advice on what direction you should head concerning your magickal practice. The next name I would suggest is Marutukku, for he teaches in the arts of protection from self created phantoms and external ones as well.

I will do that, he seems to be the one to help me as I move closer to self initiation, although that will be quite a ways in the future.

Thank you for the input

Working with names is a very good start. I worked with aranunna and barashakushu so far. They are both good spirits to work with... I never had any exp with other ceremonial magick and yet had great results with the nec. In fact the nec was the reason that i started to do magick, it was the first book i got on the occult and i immediately liked it. I only have success with the nec, and i don't know why but somehow i don't want to stop practicing it... I like it and don't feel the need to change the system (i.e. don't want to do other kind of CM).

Anyway good luck with the nec it is a great system to work with.

c ya around

Bingo they all have distinct energy signatures. This is why some of the 50 names I identify with spirits of other systems. Same flavor!

Peace

This post has been edited by Edunpanna: Apr 19 2007, 07:34 PM

my last post on this thread


I had planned to work through all the names,one new name a day. However, the changes in what I call my personal energy field are a bit much at this stage. I am waiting for each change to "digest" before moving on.


As an example, synchronicities and odd happenings are occurring left and right. Firstly, a very attractive women, very smart, approached me and we are in the early stages of hook up, potentially more. Sound snice right?


I also had to deal with a crazy gay stalker, a very disturbed man with no sense of the danger his activities put him in, which makes him frightening. I don't live the wild life I used to when I was young, and had grown complacent about paying attention to my surroundings. I look at this one as a lesson, wake the hell up and pay attention. In my opinion, the energies activated by this type of work can attract all kids of attention, often from those with a sensitivity they may (in the case of the creepy gay stalker) have no idea how to control and not be ridden by them.

This post has been edited by Gemini23: Apr 20 2007, 01:31 PM

Greetings Satanis,


I understand your viewpoint, but the Necronomicon practices of the Priests and Priestesses of Enki and Marduk have nothing whatsoever to do with Lovecraft's cthulu mythos. We all consider Lovecraft to be nothing more than a good writer, and his stories just that, stories.
Our Necronomicon beliefs are based completely around Babylonian and Sumerian religious practices. Not Cthulu.
You talk about none of the published Necronomicon's being the real book. Well...there is no real necronomicon. The Simon version is a crafted book which draws from known sumerian and babylonian sources to create a modern, workable text.
If your interested in learning about the real religious practices of Enki and Marduk etc.. check out the yahoo group of our Lodge. It's the gathering place for all of the Priests and Priestesses of Enki. It's called Disciples of Enki. Search for us in the yahoo groups.
Peace,
Abba En Nosotro Tehuti.

There was already much of the information inside of the Simon Necro Id say 4000 years ago. It is from using the Simon Necro that one finds the Deeper meanings and secrets of the universe. Ive read all of HPL and do agree the dieties he uses are usable in a system. IN fact in his story "through the gate w/ the siver key" he showcases his awesome philosophical and mystic ideas.

We in this forum use the Simon Necro in the manner of the Old Priests. ENKI, MARDUK and INANNA were and ARE real dieties. These are dieties that have been used many years in the past and are now being called upon again...the dieties u r invoking are creations from the mind and will of A) HPL B)The mage himself-u in this instance C)The organizing of the currents and energies to give form to the representation of what the said diety is. Like u said--we can invoke Superman if we wanted to.

Differentce is, us who are using the Simon Necro are invoking deities who DID exist and WERE invoked many many many times and therefore their godforms are more solid and powerful. Over time their names werent used and others popped up and used parts or variations of those former currents. But by us using the old names we are reigniting an ancient tradition--that DID exist and wasnt made up by HPL.

If possible, try to do the operation at night.

I have to agree with ashnook, though I'll say that the handful of names I work with regularly don't seem to take issue with communication during the daylight hours - none the less formal summonings evoke almost no sensation during the day, while doing so at night is drastically more intense.

peace

I have found that the necronomicons magick is very powerfull in the twilight hours

I have found that to be true as well. It works best for me in the hour before and after both sunset and sunrise.

I've had good luck using only the Arra for banishing unwholesome forces, but my experience is as a priestess, not a magician.

As usual you are thinking outside the box. I think that when calling a 50 names spirit for the first time 3:00 am is helpful. When already familiar with the spirit the time of day or night does not really matter.

Some of my friends who come over to do magick with me have the spellbook conjuration memorized. I take a lazy mans approach. I vibrate the name three times and the word of calling three times. Sometimes drawing the sigil in the air with my Katana. Usually not.

Of course I always invoke the fire god. Do the preliminary invocation of the Watcher and burn the Agga Mass Ssaratu.

For me those are the three golden rules. Omitting those steps makes things much harder.

However. If I need a little help in business I might close my eyes and imagine the sigil of Zulum in white light etc. The more you work with these spirits the easier they will come.

Peace!