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Q&a: Lbrp And The Pentagram Rituals, What do you want to know about the pentagram rituals? |
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Fio Praeter Humanus |
Jun 6 2007, 05:53 AM
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QUOTE(Mchawi @ Jun 5 2007, 06:18 PM) Hmmm... I get ya. Not sure 'bout those either, if I was more daring i'd give it a try for a while but I'm weary in regards to things like this. Works well as it is, its just the placing of the elements seemed to make sence. I mean, why is water opposite air and how does water relate to the sunsetting rather than earth? Its good to question things. Because air is active and water is passive, same as fire is active and earth is passive. Balance. No as I have already explained the elemental placements are aligned with the four winds of the earth and have nothing to do with the sun at all. QUOTE(Mchawi @ Jun 5 2007, 06:18 PM) Not sure about others or if its a case of becoming accustomed to the energies involved but I have noticed my success rate seems a bit off. Have to admit I haven't felt the intellectual effect of the MP for a while or aquired the, 'voice' kind of state if u know what I mean. Is that normal? My rituals are good but it seems to have left me feeling lacklustered in regards, if you see my point. Was doing nothing different then I don't think.
Also... Fear. Its only one's self one is afraid of, nothing bad is going to happen, fear in its self is a sence, a warning signal, heightened awareness as fight or flight kicks in but yeesh! How do you overcome fear in a ritual? It dampens the practice as it makes (me personally) tone down the ritual in a animal like flight response... even then the LBRP etc are 'measly' when thinking about some of the other invoking rituals with other dieties involved so its obviously something that needs to be overcome. It takes time to become proficient in this and any ritual. You should not be feeling fear from performing the LBRP. Perhaps it is the inner depths welling up or when people first start the LBRP you tend to light up the astral for awhile so you might be drawing astral junk to you. QUOTE(Mchawi @ Jun 5 2007, 06:18 PM) Can't 'things' get under the pents? Shouldn't there be a pent on the floor? No the circle is infinite. QUOTE(animus @ Jun 6 2007, 04:19 AM) I want the circle in the LBRP yes, but what about the elemental pentagram rituals, without the circle, the banish/invoke goes further than if i would have a circle (then it would only go as far as inside the circle, no? The circle is infinite. You are projecting the energies to the edge of the universe.
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Mchawi |
Jun 6 2007, 06:10 AM
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QUOTE or when people first start the LBRP you tend to light up the astral for awhile so you might be drawing astral junk to you. Yeah thats it, get an astral twinge and it scares me, as though I'm suddenly not the only one around. So Air is active, water is passive. How so, what does this mean exactly? Guess electric blue is the best for cloaks. Knew it. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Is there a best time to practice daily using planetary hours... Or even a specific day of the week?
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Fio Praeter Humanus |
Jun 6 2007, 08:35 AM
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QUOTE(Mchawi @ Jun 6 2007, 08:10 AM) So Air is active, water is passive. How so, what does this mean exactly? Just like the pillars of the temple. Black and white, active and passive, male and female... QUOTE(Mchawi @ Jun 6 2007, 08:10 AM) Is there a best time to practice daily using planetary hours... Or even a specific day of the week? I am not sure what you mean. Timing the LBRP to planetary hours? There is no need for that, there is no planetary associations with it. QUOTE(Trinetra @ Jun 6 2007, 09:58 AM) Hi, i just wondered wheter one could use the magick wand for the LBRP and GIRP. thanks Yes, you can use a standard general wand, a outer wand of double power, your finger, or as popularized by Kraig a black handled dagger borrowed from the solomonic tradition. QUOTE(Mchawi @ Jun 6 2007, 10:11 AM) The air dagger is not used for the LBRP. It can be used for the greater or supreme pentagram ritual of air, and in certain designed rituals requiring the influence of air and what it represents but generally no, the air dagger is too specific a weapon for this.
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Fio Praeter Humanus |
Jun 12 2007, 08:30 AM
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QUOTE(Mchawi @ Jun 12 2007, 08:54 AM) Is it possible to use sigils to do the LBRP? Programming the intent in such a way as to bring about the effect of having done the ritual/s? It is possible to program a mental trigger to bring on the mental state produced by the LBRP, but it would take at least a year or more of practice to instill it. Even then I would believe you would still need a banishing for most ritual work. It is best just to stick to the ritual and learn what it will teach you. QUOTE(Mchawi @ Jun 12 2007, 08:54 AM) Am taking to understanding what you meant by the LBRP being directional but don't really understand. Can you explain the thinking behind it? Go back and read what Regardie wrote about the lesser pentagram ritual in his book The Golden Dawn. He is very clear that the elemental directions given in the pentagram ritual are based on the terrestrial four winds. While the elemental placements found in the hexagram ritual are from the zodiac. The rule of thumb is in drawing forces to you use the terrestrial arrangement and when going to the forces use the celestial ones.
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Jul 16 2007, 10:44 PM
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QUOTE(Nero @ May 14 2007, 08:34 AM) The pentagrams are seen as blue or white. There is no real significance here as that is just how they appear when viewed on the astral plane. This may just be my opinion, but it seems to me that the color of the pents and the ring that binds them is important. If you look at the QC, by invoking geburah and gedulah, it makes sense that the LBRP would use these forces to form the pents (in blue for chesed) and geburah to form the circle (forming a ring of red fire). I'm going by one way of practicing this ritual that I read about a while back. It makes more sense, doesn't it? There is so many different variations of this ritual, that it seems to me this is the most correct, kabbalistically speaking. One thing that bothers me is that no matter where I look, there are different variations of the BRH. There is no clear method given anywhere for properly performing the BRH, or the invoking version. What is the original BRH banishing, saturn??? I can understand why it would be necessary to banish saturn if it's associated with bad luck.
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Mchawi |
Sep 29 2007, 10:57 AM
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Have to admit I like closing my rituals, kinda miss the astral tinged air my room would get at times but I get less 'disturbances' after a good license to depart. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/mf_popeanim.gif) First off, apologies to sir Nero, I have since re-evaluated my practice and understand what you meant by it being directional (IMG: style_emoticons/default/doh.gif) Am now doing the IRP and the IRH when I can. Still elemental as I use the Egyptian version of the ritual but anyway... Am looking to attempt the supreme version of the rituals but why do the lesser if you can do the supreme version in the first place? Seems pointless... can one swap the usage employ the SIRP in place of the lesser or am I missing an essential and obvious point here? Kraig has it that the practitioner should move straight on to the SIRP after the Hexagram ritual, think it was you that advised against that and after doing the IRH a few times I see why .lol. Peace M
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Mchawi |
Nov 13 2007, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE(Nero @ Nov 13 2007, 09:05 AM) If you are using the sign of the enterer, which you should for the Lesser pentagram ritual, then it should always be answered with the sign of silence. The greater and supreme version is generally charged by stabbing it with the wand or fingers and charged from tiphareth. Then after the charging the elemental sign is used. These are not two part signs and the sign of silence is not needed. Although you can use the sign of the enterer and the sign of silence for all the pentagram rituals if you wish.
Daily use of the pentagram rituals will already build a familiarity with the archangels. If you wish to do more you can pick one of them and meditate on him and his qualities after the ritual. After some time pick a new one until you have all four. Ok... Have, 'bumped into' the angels a few times in ritual but could or should I invoke them or something? Am a bit of a perfectionist, want to see them in all their glory before I move on to rituals proper. Bit off topic but do you have the I Ching on the tree of life? Need it for my book of trees, got 777 but it dosen't state where each hexagram is and the Thelmic Tree with the I ching I've seen is diffrent to the one Crowley gives. Will ask in the beginners forum. Thanks
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Fio Praeter Humanus |
Dec 14 2007, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE(AmethistA @ Dec 14 2007, 11:14 AM) Just out of curiosity, i am not really confortable using the jewish legacy part of the LBRP. Do you believe it would be less functional, and would bear less results, to change the four divine names with other deities? And the Archangels with something else?
How much of the power of the ritual is depending on the paradigm and the jewish correspondences?
Thank you. Some people are just not comfortable with Jewish and Christian references. Obviously the Golden Dawn system is built heavily on them, but if you feel you need to change them to better match your view of the divine then that is fine and encouraged. The newer copies of Regardie's Middle Pillar book actually have several versions of the LBRP using Celtic, Pagan, Egyptian, etc language and symbols.
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