Greetings followers of the Necronomicon.

I have read several times from people in this forum that the Spirit Barashakushu ( one of the fifty names) is actually the Archangel Gabriel. A few days later, i was searching through Konstantino's Summoning Spirits and found a description of the Archangel Gabriel with an attached sigil. I have found and compared the two sigils and they appear very different. You can search this for yourself by utilzing the pdf files of both grimoires ( if you dont have them, pm me and id gladly send them to you).

I wonder why the two sigils are different. Could it be that those who refer to Barashakushu are deluding themselves or that both sigils are potent enough to summon the same deity?
Hmmm (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hmm.gif)

Anyone who can shine light on this topic is invited to post below (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Alexandros

This post has been edited by Kutulu: Jul 31 2007, 07:42 AM

I'm no expert on the Nec, but as I understand it, the deity-ish spirit Barashakushu existed before there were jews, so when they came along they adopted him into their religion and named him Gabriel. I don't know why that name, but Michael for example was called Mikal and he was a war God of the babylonians. I don't know what his name was (don't remember it right now) but one of his names was Mikal. Basically I think that they are similar, but different at the same time. Mikal I would think is massively powerful since he was a deity. Michael is a powerful (but not overwhelming massive) archangel that any person can (and do) call on. I would think the same thing goes for Gabriel and Barashakushu. Some people here on the forum mention that the fifty name spirits seem to be massively powerful but are "contained."

Interesting, and thank you for your input Altpath. So if one wants to summon Barashakushu/Gabriel ( as i do plan to) which sigil should he go by? Does it matter? And if he chose either one should he still be succesful regardless of which sigil he chose?
You said that that some people regard the fifty name spirits as "contained." I am curious, how and why are they contained?

Thanks again, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Alexandros

This post has been edited by Kutulu: Jul 31 2007, 06:26 PM

well like I said, I'm no expert on the nec and I haven't worked with that name, but according to others (like edunpanna) they could be the same spirit, but I tend to think that Barashakushu would be stronger since he is probably a deity-like spirit, and although an archangel has power like a God, they are more subtle. A God-like spirit I would think is more massive, but "contained". What I mean by that is that it would probably show more restraint but if you've ever tried to summon a Godform, you know what I'm talking about when I say that it's like having something HUGE in your face, but you maybe can't see it but the pressure inside your head is enough to make you wonder if it's going to pop if it unleashes it's full force.

I would contact both and see which you find more receptive. Everyone I know that has worked with Gabriel said that he is incredibly chatty, so if you want a good teacher then go for him. Ask someone like edunpanna or ashnook about Barashakushu's personality.

Good luck with that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Greetings,

Well, I don't remember exacly which methodology does Konstantinos use in order to create sigils.
There are maaaaaany ways of creating them though. Most of them are based on the name of the
entity associated with hebrew letters, for instance, the widely used G.D. Rose with the hebrew letters.
Other than that, there is also another way, to examine how the name of an entity is written in hebrew,
with an algorithm based on the kamea transmute the letters to numbers and then, regarding the kamea
of the planet, every entity forms a different sigil in every one of the main 7 kameas (Magical Squares).

Keeping the above in mind, Barashakushu cannot have the same sigil as Gabriel, since their name is
spelled differently. It's like Venus (Roman) deriving from Aphrodite (Greek), exactly the same entity, with
a different name and therefore a different sigil.

If I remember correctly though, Konstantinos must have used the Rose of G.D.

Regarding the sigil of Barashakushu now, let alone that we may not know from who this sigil is formed,
we don't have a single clue which system was used in order to create them and also whether this sigil
was based on the entity's name or something else. There are many grimoires that contain sigils created
in a way that noone has a damn clue about. In every grimoire, similar pattents though exist among various
sigils.