So, I read about how small doses of hydrogen peroxide can be really good for all sorts of things, so I bought myself a bottle of 35% food grade H202, and gave it a shot.

First of all for anyone reading this who thinks they might give it a shot I want to put up here at the top that you should NOT ingest H2O2 directly, that's a terrible idea and you'll burn yourself badly.

Okay, that said, I started taking five drops of food grade H2O2 in a full glass of water every morning. I noticed a number of immediate and a number of more cumulative effects.

First of all, you get kinda high for about an hour, probably more or less depending on your individual constitution and metabolism. A good high, like you just ran a mile or something. It's from the extra oxygen that gets dumped into your system.

Second, after a few days I found that I woke up a lot more rested and refeshed than I had been for the past long while, and my dreams were far more vivid. That could be a result of just being more energetic in general, but that brings me to the third interesting result...

Thirdly, I have had a significant spike in energy, as in prana, applicable metaphysical force, etc. After about ten days I could do a few things that normally take me half an hour of focused intention with a little more than a moment of focus and will. Circulating energy in my body used to produce a mild vibration and some subtle warmth, now I can vibrate my limbs to the point where other people can actually feel a subtle vibration coming from my hands and feet without even coming to physical contact. I've been far more sensitive during my massage sessions, able to pick up on the energy in my clients with a great deal more accuracy than I could before, as well. My theory on that is that the extra oxygen, the electric principle in the air we breath, is supplying a heightened electric principle to my subtle body.

If anyone does want to try this, the benefits are supposed to be wide ranging, to the point that some have called H2O2 therapy a kind of panacea. Harmful bacteria and even, in laboratory settings, viruses cannot exist in a high oxygen environment, and so the extra oxygen cleans the system and boosts the immune system's ability to deal with the 'left overs'. If you do want to give this a try, remember two things:

Start small, three to five drops of 35% food grade H2O2, in a full glass of water, once a day. Don't go over ten drops, you'll give yourself a splitting headache. NEVER more than ten drops.

Also, take some kind of antioxidant along with it over the course of the day, a tab of Vitamin C or some green tea etc.

IN small doses, H2O2 is not harmful, but in large doses it can be fatal, so take these warnings deadly serious.

Thought I'd share.

peace

Greetings Vagrant

Where do you get food grade peroxide?

Is this useful for detox? Like liver gallbladder etc?

Peace!

This post has been edited by Edunpanna: May 25 2007, 12:57 PM

You can only buy that grade in the store. Industrial grades with higher concentrations are very difficult to store and work with as they are very reactive and explosive.

I have never heard of ingesting peroxide before. I would imagine it would only make you sick.

Right on both counts. The trick is taking very little at a time. I use a dropper like the little ones they give you for any kind of liquid supplement in a small phial. So far, it hasn't made me sick. I keep the bottle in the freezer, as you are correct that is very reactive and explosive, you can't leave it out at room temperature - thanks for bringing it up cause I should have mentioned it.

And, without some kind of antioxidant, like I mentioned, yes, it can probably make you sick. how sick I don't know, cause I took the warning I read seriously. However, I took the chance in the first place because I read a vast amount of information on the benefits, and then read up on the counter arguments, and they simply weren't as convincing. There is hydrogen peroxide all around us, though, in trace amounts in the water we drink, in rain water, in foods, etc., really all you're doing is getting a little extra. And, like I said it hasn't made me sick after two weeks of use. The counter arguments say that ingesting h2o2 will result in immediately negative side effects, burns along the throat and stomach, ruptures along the digestive tract, etc.

They're talking about massive amounts of hydrogen peroxide - when they use rats in studies, they're using the equivalent of a full cup of pure H2O2. I'm talking about putting a few drops in a glass of water. Massive and critical difference. If those were the certain results of the use of this liquid on the body, I'd be dead already, and not making this post.

Or, maybe I am and don't know it, and was way more spiritually developed than I thought when i died. You be the judge.

You can by H2O2 here: http://www.dfwx.com/h2o2.htm.

The quality of the product is important, some brands put stabilizers in the mix that keep it from being so reactive, and are also toxic to the body. The body won't get the oxygen cause the reactivity is too low to pull the extra molecules out of the water, and the stabilizers will give you a tummy ache. I learned that the hard way...

peace

Actually you can break peroxide down, it's just not easy if you ingest it. From what I understand it's a natural byproduct of metabolism so the body has pathways to deal with it, but they take time.

When I was little, my mother's friend's baby downed a full bottle of the stuff. Kid's mom rushed Junior to the hospital, thinking Junior was poisoned. She wasn't, but she felt like hell for the next 24 hours or so. Your body breaks peroxide down into water and spare oxygen gas. You'll absorb the water, but not the O2 because it's in the digestive tract and not the lungs. It'll make you sick as hell with a horrendous case of heartburn, at least from what I understand, but to do real damage you've got to down the industrial-grade stuff, and that's highly corrosive anyway.

I still don't recommend trying this...

This post has been edited by Darkmage: May 25 2007, 06:54 PM

I find myself rather enthralled by this information.

This post has been edited by Xenomancer: May 25 2007, 07:01 PM

http://educate-yourself.org/cancer/benefit...de17jul03.shtml

http://health.yahoo.com/experts/healthnews...-dangerous-scam

http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/hydrogen_peroxide.html

http://tuberose.com/Hydrogen_Peroxide.html

http://www.the-natural-path.com/hydrogen-p...de-therapy.html

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2006/08/29/...n-peroxide.html

http://www.healingwithnutrition.com/cdisea...gue/oxygen.html

Here are a few links to arguments for and against. It's worth mentioning that you only ever seem to find arguments against the use of h2o2 in 'corporate' sites. I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist but... it hasn't killed me yet and I feel great to boot.

Just like with lots of other stuff, some doctors say it'll make you virtually immortal (okay, joke), others say you'll be dead very quickly. Read up... There are lots more resources in both directions. Just google "Hydrogen Peroxide" to pull up just the very top of the issue.

peace

Um, again, tiny, tiny dosage, mixed into a glass of water. The water spreads the molecules out so far that they can't have any sort of explosive reaction in the stomach or digestive tract. if left to sit, the oxygen molecules would just pop off into the water and evaporate with the water at the top of the glass over time.

Even ten drops will give you a headache in my experience - maybe different for individuals. I'm talking five drops in a full 8 ounces of water.

The oxygen molecules pop of, absorb into the system, and become free radicals. The antioxidants level out the radicals to safe levels, so that the body only uses what it needs.

You can get lots of extra oxygen by hyperventilating as well, but even that if you were to do it all day, would harm you.

Some sites suggest taking a dose in the morning, and at night, some suggest three times a day. I've gotten benefits from doing it once in the morning, so that the body will have the rest of the day to handle the chemistry.

But of course, always use your own judgement.

peace

^Maybe, but my understanding is the oxygen becomes a free gas in the digestive tract and can cause massive internal damage/bleeding by the pressure crushing the tissues around it. The free water is simply absorbed.

You don't want to inhale this stuff as a free floating gas, it's far worse than drinking it.

Edit: here's the MSDS, and it covers ingestion as well as general exposure toxicity as well as the first aid for each type: http://dcchem.co.kr/product/p_basic/image/M10_2.pdf

This post has been edited by Darkmage: May 25 2007, 09:46 PM

Oooh, this sounds very interesting, I'm going to do some reading on this subject. Would you buy hydrogen peroxide in a pharmacy?

You'd usually find it in the first aid section as it's really good for dressing wounds. Here you don't need a prescription for it but it's also a fairly weak solution.

35% or 3.5%? The pharmacy has 3.5%.

Anyhow, new news in.



Not necessarily true. At least, not in the absolutist sense.

My father, a doctor in practice for quite a number of years, answered a question of mine regarding oxidation of blood, and oxidation by free radicals. I tied the two together and he said, "Son, you are getting mixed up. One is by means of a gas, the other by an enzyme." I asked, "Then how does oxidation affect free radical absorbtion?" He said, "It's fat; Free radicals are enzymes that interact by the oxidation of fat within the body."

This made sense, being that Diet and exercise tie in to well being. From this piece of additional info, this picture can be painted: Person exercises, and burns fat. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dumbells.gif) Fat still oxidizes during process, but because of overdriven metabolic functions for exercise, the free radicals are flushed out of the system quicker.

I'm not the doctor here, my dad is; I didn't want to inquire further to tie in H2O2 possibilities, because he sticks to what he knows. Despite this, based on this information, I would say that an ingested H2O2 solution would be best when one has a lower fat count in their BMI (Body Mass Index).

There was a kid that had some serious brain tumors and slowly worked himself up to 200 drops a day. That's right, TWO HUNDRED. I'm guessing that's the record or something. Anyway, it completely cured him of the brain cancer, but he is still so aftraid of getting it again that he stays on 200 drops a day. This has also been documented to cure HIV and AIDS, but these recipients go through hellish detox for about a month in the process. It's worth it if your life is on the line though. The reason why we don't hear about it is according to the FDA, "Only a drug can diagnose, prevent, or cure any disease." Since H2O2 isn't a drug, the results are not being pubically acknowledged by our government.

Even better than hydrogen peroxide is ozone. NOT in gaseous form as it burns the lining in the lungs. Consumable, food-grade ozone has a higher consentration of oxygen and thus works more quickly, but you have to consume even less of it than hydrogen peroxide or else, once again, you'll detox.

I also can only find 3% solution. Does this mean I should use around 30 or so drops at 3% instead of 3 drops at 35%? I'm really interested in trying this as I could really use the energy boost

DON'T use the 3% you get at the pharmacy! I can't stress that enough. That stuff has stabilizers that is poisionous to the human body. It's fine for cleaning cuts, but definitely not ingesting. Just Google these search terms and you'll find several sites for information and ordering it: food-grade hydrogen peroxide

Thanks for the warning Slayden. Youv'e kept my innards from liquifying at worst, or from getting a bad case of the runs at best. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bones.gif)

Vagrant Dreamer - I am curious here...


Are you still experimenting with ingesting food grade H202?

What results occurred after exploring that as a supplement for a while?

Do you still recommend it?

This post has been edited by Praxis: Dec 4 2008, 05:51 AM

Well, it's been about a year and a half, and now I'm on every other day - on the 'off day' I take a spoonful of apple vinegar - and I have not been even a little sick or congested, I sleep about six hours a night, sometimes less, with no apparently ill affects, and all seems well between the entrance and exit. I also used to get fever blisters about every three months or so, basically seasonally, and i haven't gotten one since about last year. I have a lot more stamina in general as well, and my system feels cleaner. I've been maintaining 10 drops a day, I never really cared to go beyond that, as there was really nothing wrong to begin with. I was interested mostly just in maintaining health.

Perhaps I'm a remarkably healthy individual, or perhaps there's a benefit to be found there after all. I started the apple cider vinegar after the suggestion of my grandmother who was interested in the H2O2 applications. This was about 4 months ago. It probably has to do with acidity and enzymes, but I just find that digestion has become easier. In 4 months I should think I would become aware of any malnutrition results, which was one of my first concerns, but all seems well.

All in all I'd have to say that I certainly still recommend it. If something is wrong - of course see a doctor - but assuming there are no specific inherent risks (like a stomach ulcer perhaps, things of this nature) then it is definitely worth including in an overall holistic approach.

peace

This post has been edited by Vagrant Dreamer: Dec 5 2008, 10:22 AM

Vagrant Dreamer,

Do you happen to know if this can be harmful to people who have digestive problems? It sounds like a good product, but I wouldn't use it if it's harmful for my condition (I suffer from digestive problems).

Thanks

Kat