ok, so I became intrigued by another post and have been unable to shake the idea of starting this thread mainly because I wish to see what others believe would be a good defence against malevolent spirits should you find yourself being thrown in a position that rituals are unable to be performed.

so you mean if a spirit starts to become a dangerous nusance in evocation and havent performed protection before hand
what should you do on the spot?

This post has been edited by gift22: Oct 17 2007, 02:59 PM

no more on the lines of being in an area that you have limited time and a spirit becomes a dangerous nuisance.

threaten to burn thier seal. Not completley sure

Dealing with spirits that you have "called" or otherwise encouraged contact would/could be a very different set of responses then to spirits that have become overvly interested seemingly without cause.
I'm not entirely clear which your referring to....?

If its the former, banishings, bindings, threats or simply coming to bear on the linking tools (like sigils, seals or some kind of spirit-charged item)... this might even come down to destroying said linkage.
You could also purify yourself (censing, banishing, fastings...) and your surroundings. You might want to consider calling in greater forces, such as invocations of divinities (I like Ganesha personally), or some ruling power of the spirit (sephoratic archangels, elemental kings/angels, demon kings....) Salt baths can be good temporary, short-term method for giving yourself a moment of breathing room.

If its the latter.... banishings, purifications, consciousness raising, blessings, psychotherapy all come to mind. Additionally, calling on greater forces are often useful.
Or you can take the aggressive approach and evoke it to presense, and deal with the bugger until you either can bind it, send it away or die trying. (guess thats not really that funny . . . but)

If its an emergency, the stronger the banishings you have the better. There are some herb that stink so bad.....
Salt water, or better yet "holy" water. Hell . . . even banging pot-and-pans and copper wire hoops or quartz-point poking can piss'em off nicely.

hmmm. well we are kinda trying to avoid pissing them off in this scenario. lol
what are some methods of evoking presence? I have heard of this but not sure what it entails, a def. of what exactly it would do/require might be useful for new to mystics persons as myself. invocations might be a good, I will have to look into that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/00000008.gif)

Greetings!
Some good advice Palindroem.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ac42.gif)

Look, IMHO, taking a pragmatic approach is best...
If the offending entity is a known quality/quantity then assess your present wherewithal and either deal with it or run away.
If the offending entity is of an unknown factor then your best and safest bet would be a tactical withdrawal.

Knowing when to retreat is very valuable. Retreat can offer the chance for research and becoming prepared. Even to this day I usually carry some sort of thaumaturgic device for those times when we least expect trouble. It can be a talisman or a wand or even an artificial 'servitor' held within a housing (talisman, trinket, locket, key, tatoo, whatever). I have a magicians bag (ala Wizard of OZ) or a Crane Bag (ala Shamans satchel) which contains a number of magically useful items (athame' or good multi-function jackknife, wand, bottle of water, salt, a vial of vineager, charcoal briquettes, incense, an incense burner or a folded piece of aluminum foil, a lodestone, a quartz crystal, a lapis lazuli, a carnelian, a variety of talismans/amulets, a pendulum, a Tarot deck or the I Ching, a notebook, a pencil AND a pen, a small variety of herbs and oils, sugar, first aid kit, a space blanket, a square of silk, a static flashlight or even a chemical glow stick, a candle or three, a couple of lighters, vitamens, dried soup, tea and or coffee, a mug, an immersion heater, hot chocolate mix, chocolate bars, toilet paper, paper napkins, moist towlettes, a few condoms or tampons, vial of olive oil, a vial of mineral spirits, cortisone cream, pain meds(at least aspirin), an antihistimine and some all purpose antibacterial cream and some water purifying tablets, some gauze or cheesecloth, a needle and thread) Sounds like alot but this 'kit' can be left in your car or toted as a small backpack. You may find this excessive. Pare your list down to suit your travels...

Depending on your circumstances one should have in their repetoire at least two banishing rituals and be conversant with both pentagram rituals, even a hexagram ritual. Know how to breathe properly and know how to ground oneself.

There is no shame on being smart. This may mean beating cheeks out of there! Live to fight another day and all.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shok.gif)

You shouldn't attempt evocation to material form unless you are very sure of what you are dealing with! That would like handing a knife to the alleged killer! Study and learn the banishing rituals by heart. I hope that you will never end up having to use these measures and even then, in a controlled environment! Good Luck!

I know it's a bit uncommon, but what about ways to defend against spirits or demons without preparation? Like for instance, walking down the street at night and having something less-than-friendly catch your attention, or something. No herbs, no seals, no big ritual spaces or tools; just your own power and maybe a few magical odds and ends you may have on your person if you swing that way, like a crystal or an amulet or something. Basically is there a good way anyone knows of to banish or defend against spirits outside your home playing field on the spur of the moment. Any input appreciated, thanks:)

Um....er...I thought that I was somewhat clear on that. The Pentagram/Hexagram rituals require just yourself. Breathing and grounding, the same. Drawing an auric circle about you will offer you enough protection until you can get to some salt and water...again, this doesn't require any tools. Become conversant with basic energy manipulation (through Tai Chi, pranayama, meditation, magical practise). Did I mention practise? PRACTISE! Utilize your creative visualization. Beyond that...I can't do the work for you. Create a 'servitor' for protection. (I think that this as a secondary line of defense...) Face it...you aren't going to be able to fling fireballs or lightning bolts. You've delineated the playing field...these are your options. You can bring about a 'circle' within heartbeats and/or you can always RUN AWAY! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/compress.gif)

Ok, this will expose the chaos tendencies in me, but quickly your choices are three.

Attack, defend, retreat.
Attack:
Banish,
personal choice laughter (not the “nervous I am going insane kind”, but the “Man I should not be laughing at this, but it is too funny” kind, ala Family guy, American pie, South Park, Scary Movie and so on.

Stand and fight. What ever you know best. Making it submit could be interesting and fun.

Love it and absorb it. (don’t know the mechanics, happens naturally for me at times) see your self in the entity, love that aspect, take it in.

Just absorb it. “physic vampire types” shoot for this most of the time.


Defend:
Bring everything you have up, or turn it all off and ignore.

I find this hard to do, but I have done it when it would be odd for me to tell others what is going on, and I need to look like I am paying attention to what the flesh and blood people are doing. I prefer the turn it all off in these situations. How? That thing needs to not exist in your universe, if you are not in a universe where that entity can exist, it no longer exists.

Retreat:
Great in urban environments:
Running current and running water are both (in my experience) decent natural (not sure if natural is a good term for running current) barriers, as such entities in general won’t cross them too readily unless they are attached to something that does. Water generally runs down every street, and a major pipe down every minor neighborhood (8 blocks or so). If you are not the athletic type…go for it anyway…and start training. All you need to do is be able to run 2 miles when you need to.

Those are the basics.
Combo of defense and retreat works well also.
Denfence and attack are said to work well, I have yet to get that one down.
Retreat and attack or “tactical retreat” honestly never tried.

With preparation, gets more fun.
Banishing can take sigils, make a few hundred of them, they can all be variations on the same, an extra line here a squiggly there and so on.

Imagine an entity, imagine its feel, the dread, the fear, be present to the entirety of it, burn sigil one into your brain…move on to the next one. Don’t do too many at once if not practiced at it, or you will be emotionally exhausted, and will loose effectiveness as you had too much time to think of the first few. Start small, casper the friendly ghost is a good start…move on to Zuul (ghost busters reference) at around 800.

Then should you ever be in a situation with entity type 465 the sigil come out and the entity goes down. If it does not go down and another sigil does not pop into your head, don’t panic…throw some more power into it, and check where you are. Get a feel for yourself and the entity. Go to some other plan.

Then with what you have learned and make new sigils.

Honestly the only times, I needed to banish an entity that did not leave on my first bump of will, not liking it there, sigils worked. However so has turning off. Most of my sigils are not so much banishing as they are bindings, and I am really effective at that, well trained even. That is not viewed as white under anyone’s scale except those that have no scale so, use as needed.

Warding (I think that's the term) is one of the main things that got me interested in magick. I'm a rank newb so I don't know the LBRP or other such coolness I will admit, but the one spell I have been able to cast solo so far was actually one to set up barriers...and although I'm pretty sure it's worn off now for 3-4 days it seemed to work very well, given that I'd been having a few problems before I did it. I didn't get any nasties in here, and although I'm killing spiders fairly frequently in this house, in my room for that period I didn't see any of them either!

The way I did it was a sigil/futhark protection runes inside a more usual upward pointing pentagram. My friend Grimstone and I usually do magick together, and he focuses on the Norse gods, so I usually put the rune for either Thor or Odin in the centre of it, since although he focuses on them more, I like working with them as well. They seem to be very nice...very willing to help. My own primary focus in terms of god forms (at least for protection) is Kali, and so although her yantra is somewhat too big to put in the centre of the star, I draw a simple sigil to represent her...three diamonds, based on the shape of her three eyes.

This probably wouldn't stop any of the summoned entities that the big rituals like the LBRP are designed to stop, no...but I have found it's good for keeping rank and file nasties (wandering spirits, thoughtforms, various other annoying little entities) out of my bedroom.

Also...for the "walking down the street," scenario...Grimstone and I both have guardian servitors, which I definitely recommend. Thor is also apparently supposed to be exceptional for protection in that very scenario, if you visualise him going ahead of you. If I was going to be in a situation that I knew might be risky, I'd probably also do a somewhat larger than usual offering to Kali ahead of time, as well as sigiling for protection. Not for direct physical protection as such...but for positive manipulation of probabilities. Prevention of "being in the wrong place at the wrong time," sort of thing...since I suspect that that is easier.

the answer is really quite simple

A- Dont summon those you cant hope to control

B- Who are you to say that one spirit is either Malevolent or not. Just to give you a different perspective, who is to say that you have true knowledge of right or wrong, or better yet who are you to judge right and wrong. Is "right" only what you perceive it to be and anything you disagree with is not shared with your personal view 'wrong'?

C- But to answer your question which i belive was something along the line of "how do you get rid of a certain Malevolent Spirit"
your answer, or better yet my solution would be....

D- Find the entity (which i believe you already have) and judge its power.

E- if your power is greater. BIND IT! Use your power to control and use up the entities for your own will

Or....

F- If your power is NOT greater. Invoke a greater being (dont ask me). or ..... #1 create circle with a mixture of Salt and Sage
#2 Invoke a greater entity and combine with you own power
# Banish it!

Cleansing yourself, and home. Then protecting yourself and home. I guess burning or getting rid of the seal you made helps to sever any ties the spirit has to you. Recite banishing prayers from a grimoire, or a Psalm for protection. Asking a higher ranking spirit for help. Where a protection talisman/amulet. Sprinkle rock salt around bed, windows, home, front, back and or bed room doors (I know that’s so “Supernatural” but it works for me). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sport_boxing.gif)

All that should work, I don’t see why a negative spirit would waste time fighting and suffering with you for no reason, when there are normal unprotected people out there.