Thanks for the reiteration.
Again, on the subject of using the Triangle, which compass point anf where did you find that information? If Gremori is placed in the South...where would you place Orobas or Seere? I cannot find definitive information concerning this. Can you help? Better yet, could you post a tally of the 72 names with their appropriate compass points? Thanks!

@ Jaguar: "ring for breathe". Whats that. Do you mean the "silver" ring with anaphaxeton, michael etc written on??

"The idfference between me and the others up here is that they purchase the book that states Goetia and practice from that source. However, that's certainly an incomplete source" Whats your evidence for this statment??

" I believe the lesser keys of solomon was written by a college professor anyway" Again, some evidence of your conviction might be useful

Thanks Loki

Thanks. I appreciate the manner of which you asked me. I hate it when people ask a question in a way that challenges a response after you try to help. It's also wise you are starting off with Orobas. Very smart. He's best for beginners.

The Fifty-fifth Spirit is Orobas. He is a great and Mighty Prince, appearing at first like a Horse; but after the command of the Exorcist he putteth on the Image of a Man. His Office is to discover all things Past, Present, and to Come; also to give Dignities, and Prelacies, and the Favour of Friends and of Foes. He giveth True Answers of Divinity, and of the Creation of the World. He is very faithful unto the Exorcist, and will not suffer him to be tempted of any Spirit. He governeth 20 Legions of Spirits.
Orobas is under the power of the West I think and GAAP is his King.
Seere is certainly under the power of the East and his King is Amaymon. They sigils are inscripted in Tin Metal because they are Princes.

This post has been edited by Jaguar: Nov 24 2007, 02:18 PM

Thank you!
I think that I'm beginning to see your methodology in determining the position of the Triangle.



I suppose that I could either be flattered or royally 'put-out' with that last bit. Instead, I think that I'll ignore it as counterproductive to the post in general. (I am almost three times your age and started down this rocky road at the tender age of 15. I've had the crap scared out of me on more than one occasion. Orobas was not the first nor the last...) Within my success rate I never used the Triangle in any place other than the North for the evil Goetia. The Theurgia required it placed elsewhere. This was one of the non-Traditionalist deviations to the Solomonic Art I've indulged in. I'm attempting to compile an essay on the difference of methodology in relation to a magicians success rate. Again, thank you for your input! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Hi all,

Thank you for your responses. Let's keep this discussion on the topic at hand, if we can.

From the last number of posts, I have gathered that Jaguar is suggesting two things that make for a successful Goetic evocation: (a) sacrifice and (b) position of the triangle in a specific direction. Other practitioners disagree with the former suggestion.

I've been experimenting with the directions of the triangle over the last few experiments, and have not yet found the positioning to make a difference. I have not experimented with the sacrificing of fowl. One more thing I started doing is re-drawing the triangle prior to every evocation (on advise from Imperial Arts). My circle is painted on a large piece of canvas, with hebrew characters around the perimeter. The triangle is drawn on a large piece of black poster-board in white chalk. The last few experiments were focused on evoking Orobas.

-Theodor

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As of now...the rules change. When you are asked to deliver source material, be it "From Experience" or by literature, you will be given a chance to deliver. If this goes unanswered then you will be stripped of your power to post. period. We are not ogres here, this will be invoked lightly. If you have a problem with this...PM me. Bym, ADMINISTRATION

Please continue your normal broadcast day!

Thank you Bym, that was really needed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/banana.gif)

"The Fifty-fifth Spirit is Orobas. He is a great and Mighty Prince, appearing at first like a Horse; but after the command of the Exorcist he putteth on the Image of a Man. His Office is to discover all things Past, Present, and to Come; also to give Dignities, and Prelacies, and the Favour of Friends and of Foes. He giveth True Answers of Divinity, and of the Creation of the World. He is very faithful unto the Exorcist, and will not suffer him to be tempted of any Spirit. He governeth 20 Legions of Spirits.
Orobas is under the power of the West I think and GAAP is his King."


I believe your right in the direction of Orobas, but if you read the goetia GAAP, is a president and prince to be obseved to the east, Goap, is the King of the south, and Corson the king of the west. I suggest you read the goetia again! and practice what is written before challenging others in thier practices without reinforcing it with some proper evidence.

Just attempt it as I've told you. Fully. The others are misleading you when they aren't arguing with one another. Just keep the updates on the attempts and ignore the ignorance in this thread such as the fool posting above. They asked me for questions I tell them, then they ask me through PMs and get jealous because it's me informing them and not the other way around. I owe them not even a response and they are graced to recieve THAT much. Just study and practice as I have advised. It isn't that difficult after you follow as instructed. Most of these up here are mere readers. You are a LOT further than where they stand so just perfect on whta has been written.

This post has been edited by Jaguar: Nov 29 2007, 01:39 PM

You are not the only person that has ever gotten results jaguar, don't think that just because you think yours is the best way, doesn't mean it necessarily is. You sound like an RPGer, or a D&D gamer, honestly.

Theodor, ignore that guy. There are plenty of people that get amazing results without having to sacrifice any animals.

"ignore the ignorance in this thread such as the fool posting above". Amusing that for someone with such a large ego it isn't comparable to their knowledge/experience, quite the opposite in fact. I posted the details of the kings etc because I'm sick of all the misleading and misinformation this guy is putting out there about the goetia. I'm more than satisfied at the results I'm getting from doing the goetia as is written, and in no way does it compare with jaguars unclear, ad hoc and unsubstantiated method.

Invoke the Substantiation Rule. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/butcher.gif)

Hey Theodor did you end up finding a solution to your problem?. Did you perform a successful evocation?