I must say this has been a quite wicked experience. I was thinkin about demons and spirits and came the conclusion as my astral senses arent quite the top notch lol. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blush2.gif)
I would need to have them contact me while half asleep. A sort of half dream state. So the first time i placed 6 sigils of some demons from the goetia under my head as i went to sleep and said some sort of well homemade unthreathening conjuration.(i choose them specifically for somethings not random) 3 of them answered and well they seriusly can make things clear (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shok.gif) . So last night i placed the whole out printed goetia under my head. Well not the whole just the 72 spirits or how many they were.
Anyways this was the strongest hallucigonen i have ever tried. I think taking acid(lsd) would be less outtripping then what i went trough this night (IMG:style_emoticons/default/insane.gif) .
i am not quite sure i am really out of it yet. Well this wasent really a question but i,ll come to that soon enough.
First this is ment as a warning dont do stupid things just because they sound good in your head and when you do it anyways
dont go over the line and when you also that then say to others not to do it lol. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/diablo.gif)
to the question does anyone have any practical advices on how to improve this technic? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/baby.gif)
i wonder if it could be done a little less outtripping might be a good way for newbies to familiraise them selves whit the demons in question.
i am going to try this whit some necronomicon sigils (seal) (wich is it anyways sigil or seal) as soon i can print them out (damm ink damm goetia being really big)

and would you mind talkin a bit about the experience itself that you had. what made it so intense.?

mystick

well it kinda took me out of this plane of exsistence (semi astral??) but was still very real. it was as reality but not this one i actually found out just a minute ago i have actual wounds from something that happened while tripping out. Which i find wierd but still intresting. Anyways i rather talk about the first experiment i did since it was not that personal.
I met the demons each in its turn as i had requested in my homemade conjuration. 2 was very lame and not very intrested in helping (but very intrested in conversing).
So as i got in more control of the situation more aware and awaited paimon. paimon stated after i "begged" (not very manly or wizard like i know) he will help me under certain conditions wich he will give me later but he seriuolsy scared the living hell out of me whit that voice quote: OK I WILL HELP YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (thuderstrike voice)

the very hard part of theese experiments was the not sleeping but being sleeping awake or how to explain it the nice place where i usually can desing my own dreams. well not theese times....... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/black eye.gif)


p.s the problems occuring might have been the result of the sigils being thrown on the floor stepped on and spilled beer on. not a very nice thing to do whit papers containing their images by some artist and sigils and description.. ok i was pissed off/drunk but 3 days after i picked them up and started my second experiment which lead to this posting.i am going to do the same thing again anyways tonight.and skip the nec seals. (maybe i got enough kicking around last night..) whit reduced sigils and do as the first time whit knowing what i want and who i want. p.s #2 this cant be good for my sanity can it well who cares better go insane while learning something new then just slowly decompose

offtopic question but related what the ******** can a sort of lizard looking being be after theese happenings on the second experiment.
i sunk into somesort of unhealthy place and had some lizard beings talking to me i didnt like them then and i still dont like them.... but they sure knew alot about what i desire

This post has been edited by jlx: Dec 3 2007, 04:58 PM

This would be much easier if you would take a moment to get your feet on the ground and try to communicate clearly. I don't mean to be a spelling & grammar Nazi... increase the content of what you're telling us, and you can keep the style without offending anyone.

I take for granted that you've made an effort to understand all of this in your own way according to what you consider reasonable. How does it sit with you? Are you genuinely intrigued, or disturbed? You should be, otherwise it's just a way to talk about yourself.

paimon stated after i "begged" (not very manly or wizard like i know) he will help me under certain conditions wich he will give me later the very hard part of theese experiments was the not sleeping but being sleeping awake or how to explain it the nice place where i usually can desing my own dreams. well not theese times.......

What conditions, and what sort of help? The person who defines these terms, in ordinary human business, usually has the upper hand.

The half-awake or hypnagogic state is often referenced in fringe psychology, but it is a bit of a stretch to think you have mastered such a thing. It would be nice to know which of these experiences involve "substances" or sleep, and which occur during waking awareness.

p.s the problems occuring might have been the result of the sigils being thrown on the floor stepped on and spilled beer on. not a very nice thing to do whit papers containing their images by some artist and sigils and description..

Beer is a good offering for Paimon.

I don't think of the sigils as sacred to the spirits, or even like their signatures. They're a human invention made to give us a means of relating to the spirits in ritual practice.

If you were to look at your occult practice thus far, would you say that it seems to be something you take seriously? Is what you put into it, and what you get out of it, important to you? Is this importance reflected in your practical approaches and in the evaluation of your results?


i sunk into somesort of unhealthy place and had some lizard beings talking to me i didnt like them then and i still dont like them.... but they sure knew alot about what i desire

Lizard beings? Is this more of the reptile alien stuff? What do you believe this has to do with your experiences with the spirits?

Would you like some stuffed Goetia sleeping toys, or are Colin DePlancy illustrations more effective?

This post has been edited by Imperial Arts: Dec 3 2007, 10:30 PM

To be honest, I don't really think it's that hard to do that without any substances. Most people do it by accident, and it's actually rather easy to learn to do it. Anyone that has been on a long ride in a car, or flying can easily slip into that half-awake state by accident. Probably the white noise from the engine, the rocking, etc.
Personally, I can see through my eyelids when I travel and observe my surroundings, LOL.

LOL a very agressive answear from the goetia expert imperial arts. you command you have the authorite and the senses to communicate... dont over judge because you dont do what i do. i have been able to enter that sleep but awake state as long i can rember.where i create my dreams not my brain. well i dont actually understand your reaction. my goals for the moment is to clear my mind and after that i will try to consentrate on who is who a person like me has no possibility to command a demon nor spirit while conversing whitout circle nor any protection i just asked if they would come on a cha.t BTW does anybody have any advice how to sleep again? i bought a 24 pack of beer half way trough still feeling as i have been resting for ages. damm why is this occuring i am not afraid to sleep i just feel like i have energy to support an army.i have cleaned the house(which is actually very good ive been tooo damm lazy it looked like a dumpland) been to the store bank and some other stuff i needed to do 10 km bike ride at least. wtf anyways this is me take it or leave it. reptile aliens no certanly not i have heard about thoose nothing like that just lizardly looking beings that i think actually pulled me somewhere else then where i were.as an alternative and btw they were right but now i hate myself and would prefer to hang but i am human and i shall live by my will not my emotions so i am fine.i lost control they took it similar things has happened before in this kind of state of min but last i remember was years ago.. i always enter this state before i go to sleep and before i wake up. if i remeber (or imagine)correctly it was to hide the nightmares i used to have. wich noone understood because i had never seen the stuff i described. anyways no one else but me was able to fix it.i just made sure I and I meen I decided what i was suppoused to dream.after that i usually had the control until i had full control until now.yeah kill me for my spelling missing dots and what the f you can complaing about i am too damm wierdeed out to spell check anymore brain not working..

This post has been edited by jlx: Dec 4 2007, 06:54 AM