Pan, Brigit, Kali, the triple goddess Morgan, and Odin.

Pan is most prevalent right now. He is a VERY personal god who watches over his followers. I find that since i have met him, he has taken it on himself to teach me some very useful lessons in life. Lessons in being a little bit more free and spontaneous. He is PARTICULARLY fond of practical jokes, but his intentions are always for the good. I'm still fearful of him, because he is a god of mischief...but it is a healthy fear, which i think any god deserves.

Brigit came to me in a dream a couple nights before her day of celebration. She is a beautiful goddess, who offers a bounty of prosperity and knowledge anyone can appreciate!

Kali scared the crap out of me. Thats how i found out about her. I was meditating, and she decided to pay a visit. I'm still unsure about my standing with her. It is in my nature to be overly cautious of such a deity.

I simply identify with the Morgan. And Odin gave me my poetry so he has a special place in my heart. That, and we are both dog people!

Interesting. Can you tell me more about her? She's Celtic, yes?



Yep. She does that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif)



That's how it happened with me as well. Can you tell me about the visuals you got with her? Although the good news is that if she's contacted you on her own, that most likely means that it's safe for you to talk to her. I've read about one guy in particular who tried to evoke her when she hadn't visited him first...and well, let's just say he had problems. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif)



I would embrace her, but prepare for a few adventures (internally, if not externally) if you do! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif) Although I live almost entirely alone now offline, I can honestly say that in a lot of ways I've never felt more complete than since I've started offering to her. I love her...but there are things that are awkward, as well. For just about every non-threatening visual you'll get, there will possibly be another one where you'll just get this dark hooded figure with glowing red eyes. That wouldn't bother me so much if I didn't have so much baggage about what dark hooded figures with glowing red eyes tend to signify. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif) Then again, I'm fairly sure that that is exactly why she does it.

From what I've seen, Kali primarily tries to help people develop by exposing them to unsettling situations which will then often stimulate self-examination. One of her main messages to me seems to be not to judge a book by its' cover, or to judge things/people purely by their outward appearance. I feel as though she's done that not only with the occasionally dark visuals, but also there have just been a cluster of such scenarios since I've started to focus on her. You might find yourself in situations that will really rattle your cage, but then at the end of it you'll realise that the only reason why it bothered you is because you've been limiting your thinking. That is what's happened with me, anywayz.

I feel that it is true what Om has said about her being very loving, though. The energy I've had when I've tried to interact with her at times has been unbelievable...it's almost too much. From what I've been seeing, that seems to be true of a few of the Hindu Gods, not just Ma...they're very hands on, and they really love it when people try and interact with them, but in their enthusiasm, they'll almost give you more than you can handle.
In fact, if I had to sum Kali up in general, that's probably how I'd do it...that although she is wonderful, at times it's just a bit too intense...it can feel as though I'm being overwhelmed.



Yep...A friend and I have dealt with the Aesir for sigil work. Although there is very much a sense that respect is needed I think, (particularly with Odin) he and Thor are probably actually the only two godforms I've ever tried to interact with that I haven't felt at all intimidated by. Thor in particular is awesome...very humble and selfless...it's all about the people he protects.

From what I've seen, the Norse Gods actually view themselves as being in a symbiotic relationship with their followers...they very much seem to feel that the humans who worship them are integral to their own survival, and they make a lot of effort to interact with humans on said humans' own level.

This post has been edited by Petrus: Dec 14 2007, 04:40 AM

yes she is celtic. she is actually used interchangeably with Hecate... but she is a mother of sorts, and she protects healers, travelers, poets, artists, the home and hearth, and virgins. She came to me as a young woman.
To tell you the truth, i don't feel like the information on the net really summed up the 'feeling' i got from her. a lot of the information is lost i think, and that is why she is mistaken for Hecate. In any case i can describe the vision to you: I was walking through a grass meadow just before dawn. The air was cool, and the green green grass was wet with dew that bathed my bare feet as i walked. I saw a rabbit to my side, and a deer to the other...but they were not afraid of me. i looked up and i saw two moons. It was gorgeous. Then the two moons started to form a massive eclipse that took up the whole sky, and there was a third sphere that traced the outline of a woman's head. I could see her eyes, they were beautiful...clear and knowing. the two moons formed the shape of the triple goddess (crescent moons were formed when the moons past each other through the perfect eclipse and created equal iredescent slivers). Another sliver formed which touched her forehead and indicated to me who she was. Now anyone might argue that this WAS Hecate, except that with my vision came with the certainty of who she really was. although she did inspire awe she also breathed a calm tranquility. It was very much like an initiation, i think.

with kali...it was strange. That evening i knew something was going to happen...i could feel the charge in the air. i was feeling restless and chaotic. Before i even started meditating i washed myself up for purification purposes...the light was low, but when i looked in the mirror at myself, half of my body was pitch black. already worried, I told myself it was some strange play of the light, and sat down to meditate. Nothing happened for while, but i should mention that i had been trying something new that day. If i allow it, sometimes if i sit long enough and relax all my muscles my hands will start moving by themselves. I allowed for it that night, as well as i started making strange noises. Words i didn't understand. When it happened my right hand came down in a arch, and i felt like i was holding something. i closed my eyes, saw a split second vision of a lotus flower, and then a snake like figure with human eyes and a devious expression rearing up at me ( i think it was Kali embodying herself through my own sexual prana). I opened my eyes confused and scared...and saw nothing further. BUT, i did continue the meditation...i was curious as to where this was going. Sure enough, something happened. I felt a figure sitting across from me...it took my hands in its own, (grabbed me actually but it was a dark but comforting presence and i didn't struggle at first) and opened my chakra flow through my left arm. It released a HUGE pressure, that i wasn't sure i could stand for very long. I was really scared and tried to pull away a first time, but couldn't and instead felt a line of small electric threads running up through my arm...leading to different places on my spine and across the base of my skull. I felt like she was very near accomplishing what she started when I pulled away a second time...and succeeded...and for the longest time i was REALLY confused and disoriented. I still don't know what she wanted to do...but i don't think i could appeal to her better nature, for a second chance, because i think that WAS her better nature. she has not returned to me since. but i am considering devoting a shrine space to her and trying the meditation again. I know it was her because one of the words i was using but couldn't understand was 'shakti' and i have since learned what it means. It certainly wasn't a subtle vision...but it doesn't sound like the other common ones people get from her. Which leaves me reluctant to pursue her...because i don't know what to expect. i did not feel any love...just a strong will to teach me something from her side. Rather imposing actually.

Thor is a good god...but i always feel he's more like the brotherly type than the fatherly type. dunno. Odin's just a big time partier, but on the other hand can be quite sober and considerate. I think if any offering would suffice, it would be alcohol! which is strange since i don't touch the stuff. In any case, i highly respect them both. And eventually i DO want to work with them on a regular basis. The aesir in general are a good group, but i have no liking for Freya, and i don't think she likes me. but i have noticed that people experience different things with gods, and perhaps somewhere in that observation lies the salvation of my relationship with her.

"From what I've seen, the Norse Gods actually view themselves as being in a symbiotic relationship with their followers...they very much seem to feel that the humans who worship them are integral to their own survival, and they make a lot of effort to interact with humans on said humans' own level"

it is interesting you should say that, i think that Pan is like this too. as i said, he is very personal and has even offered me his services without my asking.

It's interesting that with Brigit you mentioned the triple Goddess concept...because looking at it now, I feel as though that is probably about the number of variations with Kali that I think I've seen. There's the proverbial Maiden, which I associate with what she uses when (with me anyway) she's trying to avoid being intimidating. With that aspect, (aside from the original "imaginary friend" which I had for years as a teenager before eventually identifying her) I initially saw a very small, slightly built (probably four feet tall, if that) girl with pinkish skintone. The hair and eyes were both dark, but the usual black skin was nowhere to be seen on that occasion. The second Maiden-type visual I've had was again as a young woman (but older, probably 25-7 or so, and taller) with some sort of white scarf/wrapping type thing and Eurasian (fairly dark coffee) skintone...her use of that guise was fairly soon after I'd been reading more about the issue of human sacrifice in rural India/Nepal and was feeling strongly freaked out by it, to the point where I was actually wondering if I was doing the right thing persuing contact with her at all. Her clothing in that instance had me thinking of Mary in hindsight actually, which is interesting when I consider that I was never really into the worship of Mary as such as a Christian at all.

Her Mother or second aspect is the one which I think my first identifiable visual of her was. The black skin is customary, (although Brahmin/Aryan artwork of this aspect tends towards light blue) as is a very large body of hair down her back, and the four arms, although on the one occasion when I've had a clear visual of the four arms, she wasn't holding anything in them at the time. This however is also the aspect which personally anyway I associate with the restless, chaotic emotions you describe here. When I've tried to invoke her, my own skin darkening (towards blue/black, not brown) and the feel of the weight/sensation of that hair on my own back have been the main two things that I've tried to visualise/imagine...although I'm not going to claim that I've ever managed more than an utterly microscopic invocation of her. The first time I tried, I ended up with more energy than I think I've ever had before, but the reason why I stopped is because I received a very clear impression that continuing quite possibly would have killed me.

Her third, or Crone, aspect is by far the most intimidating of the three, and the one which I've also had visuals of the least, and only either during dusk or at night. For me it's more or less identical to one of the robed demons that carried off a couple of the antagonists in the movie Ghost. Facially it's simply a hood, except the interior is actually darker than the surrounding darkness (even in pitch black) and the only visible facial features will be a pair of luminous, ovular red eyes. It doesn't, however, radiate any actual fear of its' own...if I'm able to get control of my own reaction, I tend to find that Kali actually projects quite a strong sense of calm and emotional detachment in this form. I also feel (although I find the thought somewhat disturbing) that this is actually the form that she herself is most comfortable with, and that she only really bothers using either of the other two (or at least the first, the Maiden) for the sake of other people's comfort when she's trying to communicate with them.



Can you tell me what they were?



The lotus is customarily one of her primary offerings, I think.



Yes...I had that once a week or so ago...had my eyes closed a bit in front of the computer and had an impression of her holding my hands...it was very sweet, actually. As scary as she is at times, the sense of her love can also be unbelievable.



In terms of what you said about releasing the chakra flow through your arm...She might well have been trying to remove energetic kinks that you've possibly got. I asked her for some help to open my third eye a week or so ago, and given the intense dreams I was having for a day or so after, I'd say it was reasonably effective. I think she does try and help with that.



If you want to interact with her again...while being respectful, I would communicate to her that you aren't willing to be receptive to her unless she tones it down a little. She's come on a little strong with me in the past...it put me off wanting to interact with her for a few days, and I noticed a change of stance to a degree after that. Given that she is a Goddess, and one of immense power, respect is appropriate...but I made a mental statement a few days ago that I wasn't going to cower before her any more...and the message I got back was that the attitude that I had towards her at that point was actually the one she wanted me to maintain.

She doesn't scare us purely for the sake of scaring us, I believe...she scares us because she actually wants us to develop the courage to look her in the eye, while being the way she is, and not be afraid despite that...that is the meaning of one of her mudras. (Hand gestures) The message is to be ourselves, despite that superficially scaring/shocking/upsetting others at times, (as she herself does) but also to get rid of our own preconceptions and judgements to a sufficient degree that other people are free to be themselves as well, without us reacting negatively to them. If you can accept Mother the way she is, most other things by comparison probably won't rattle you too much at all...and I honestly believe that that is the entire point of her being intimidating.



That's one of the things she's done with me as well...in terms of pictures and statements which at the time I didn't know were associated with her, that I've been able to verify independently on the Web later. I get the feeling that she actually wants us to know that she exists empirically...or to offer what evidence of her existence that she can...in order to get doubt in her existence out of the way, because given the nature of her messages, there are usually more than enough other barriers of our own in the way of us accepting them anywayz, if that makes sense.

I would devote some space to her, burn some sandalwood incense in particular, (I also sometimes burn a mix of paprika, garam masala, and turmeric which I think she possibly likes) and possibly try and call to her, but set up some protections first, and possibly mentally send out the message (respectfully, mind) that you're not willing to be excessively intimidated.



She will test you...I've read about her doing that with at least one other person here...quite graphically in his case, actually. The question that I feel she continually asks is whether we have the courage to walk with her. I've read about people recommending a few other deities before Kali...because there are relatively easygoing Gods around...the Aesir are a very good example. Ma on the other hand can be loving...but She definitely isn't always user-friendly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif)



Same...I can't drink it now for health reasons, which I found myself thinking of when I bought him a can of premix once two weeks ago. It was actually interesting, because I used to be a binge alcoholic...but I honestly wasn't really tempted by it at all.

As I wrote in another thread, the degree to which Thor is apparently laid back actually bothers me a bit...because people take advantage of it and are disrespectful of him from what I've seen online...I saw him being called "blue collar," once, and making jokes about it. It's bizarre, but I've just realised...with Kali I feel like less grovelling is warranted, but with Thor I actually feel as though people should be doing a bit more...or maybe not grovelling as such, but just realising that this is a God we're talking about...and that just because he might choose to act like one of the guys you go down the pub with on the weekend, it doesn't mean that that's who he actually is.

This post has been edited by Petrus: Dec 15 2007, 07:16 PM

I prefer working with Isis. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)



I've found her to be a kind, helpful, loving Goddess. She has taught me a great deal. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wizard.gif)