I am a black Catholic that sees the world in a different perspective. Ever since I was a little boy I hated going to church. I would always fall asleep on my mom's shoulder. Since I am older I am a altar server because of my parents different faiths. My mom's Baptist and my dad is Catholic. My mom's philosophy is to take initiative and my dad is as a man you must have responsibility. Those philsophies are true because it shows that you care for life. Ever since growing up I got this feeling that I have purpose to save this world. I know this sounds crazy but to me when you look at government, religion, and money they must be destroyed. The religious leaders of the world want to unite all the religions as one. To me this F@#$king crazy. The Vatican especially must pay for their ignorance and corrupt behavior for mankind's suffering. I'm sick and tired of the people of this planet fighting each other over president's, religious issues, race, and especially money. Now as a black man I do respect that Barack Obama will be to me symbolically a wave for change. But to me since he is with politics and politicians can't change a thing. He must show to me a sign for change and that must start for this country.

For Shaman and Spiritual Satanists(Answer Please):

Is the movement that you're in can help society or create chaos?

Do you both believe in the higher self and Solomon's practice of the occults?

Freewill vs. Laws of Man.
Since laws creates problems instead of solving them should we as a society roam around doing whatever we want. Meaning issues concerning rape and killing. For example: If I was going to go out and to kill somebody for sport and to sexually abuse a woman for the sake of I can do it. Is there anything in the afterlife that is spiritual damnation?
Does good and evil exist in freewill or is that these 2 words that we fed to us by adults corrupt our mental intellect?

Supposedly, In 2012 the Sun will go out and there will exist only darkness? If there exists only but darkness by then. How are we going to see in the morning? More importantly what is going to truly happen on December 21, 2012?

I ask a personal question for Satanists, Do you guys are in coalition witht the ignorant Illuminati family who has the utmost odescity to think they can take human beings rights?

For the Shaman's: Is man and woman affect the world around them today by their thoughts. Does truly the pulsing energy of our thoughts manifest in to reality?

I'm GOing to say this for being funny but, OBAMA's PRESIDENT B@&%^. YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhh

P.S. He still to me and the rest that he must show change.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/banana.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/banana.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/banana.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/banana.gif)

dude, don't think you are special. Lot's of people feel that way. I'm not saying they aren't crazy either, but lots of people feel that way.

as for the mayan calendar ending. Keep in mind, it's like our calendar ending, when someone says oh december 31 is approaching, oh no, the sun will go out forever. You know they are bullshitting, the same thing with the mayan calendar, except every age is 2150 years approximately, and well...it just starts over from the beginning. Their ages are simply the zodiac reversed, it's solar ages, and one is about to end, and we start all over in the age of acquarius.

NO one still has answered my question. Be frank with me; IS Spiritual Satanism and Shamanism evil or good yes or no? I'm serious about this. Already I feel the crash of October 1929 with the international bankers behind it. I don't if I am wrong or not but responsiblility is a must. Damaging children's minds with ignorance is like adults eating their own children's soul.

Here is the question again[size=6]

IS SPIRITUAL SATANISM AND SHAMANISM EVIL?[size=7]

ARE DEMONS EVIL OR GOOD?

IS SATAN ENKI THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE OR PRETENDER?

This information I found is called joyofsatan.com or you can type it in google.

Also there is a gnostic gospel about Joseph(Yuya) son of Jacob whose wife Tjuyu(our very beautiful ancestor) who found out who the true God. Here from people there is a secret name of God?



This post has been edited by asimon2008: Nov 7 2008, 12:36 AM

Without the fire of conflict and the anvil of social structure, the iron of the human spirit cannot be tempered into the steel it needs to become. Before we can change anything in the world, we must first rise above the world we want to change. This is an application of hermetic law:



The waves of conflict, of stasis and change, of good and evil, of war and peace, of tolerance and intolerance, are manifestations of the Principle of Rhythm. This principle operates in the unconscious plane - that 'group' consciousness of the nation or the world. As long as we are a part of that unconscious, as long as we are simply exist inside that current we are subject to that Principle in operation. It is only when we rise above that 'unconscious' and become truly Conscious individuals, free from the conditioning and arbitrary restrictions of the mass unconscious, are we able to truly evaluate our relationship to that mass populace and it's workings, and take appropriate measures to push the pendulum in a better direction.



Any tradition that supports the ascension of the individual to a fully conscious being ultimately benefits society, as these are the individuals able to maintain true dignity, compassion, understanding, and wisdom in the face of the chaotic, unerringly rhythmic pattern that ultimately must repeat itself endlessly until those of this higher level of consciousness can either exercise the necessary force and wisdom to change it, or assist the rest of the population in their own ascension. Equally true however is that those individual who win their true consciousness may also instigate chaos and keep the rest of the population mired in that unconscious state, for many reasons, one of which is power.

Neither of these traditions is directly related to or involved in Solomon's occult tradition.



Laws do not create problems. This is a very subjective statement, no offense, typical of your demographic. There is no certain answer to what happens in the afterlife - however, until all of humanity is fully conscious, law is necessary to maintain at least the framework of conditions conducive to that ascension. Without law, those that must be controlled through fear of punishment, are free to prevent others from attaining to ascension and consciousness.

If you believe in no afterlife, you may at least believe in cause and effect. If you rape and kill without remorse, you will mire yourself in hate, anger, fear, greed, and ultimately live an unfulfilled and lonely existence. You will not die happy, and if anything has to do with what happens in whatever afterlife there is, that will probably affect it negatively.



I never heard anything about the sun going out - I wonder where you heard it?

Next, I seriously doubt all satanists are in league with the illuminati, if there is such an organization. If you don't give them up, no one can take away you rights, your freedoms. If you do give them up, it's no one's fault but your own, and you aren't ready for them.

The average person's thoughts only affect their own sphere of existence, and any others by proxy. It is not so far a stretch to think, though. If you dwell on depressing thoughts, you become mired in depression, you act out because of that internal drama, it affects your life, you become convinced that you are the depression - that is you identify with it - you become convinced that you are deserving of it, and then push others away, surround yourself with those that share your depression perhaps, and ultimately give up everything to it. Your thoughts affected your actions, your actions affected your reality.

Greater thoughts affect a greater degree of reality. This is not just psychology, but a matter of the role of idealism, faith, and true compassionate thought in the greater picture of things. Magic is a part of it, but ultimately more a science of understanding the laws which govern our reality - because it is by the application of these laws that we are able to lead those greater thoughts into manifestation.

It isn't all just wands and pentacles for peace. These tools are the means by which we explore our consciousness, and ultimately ascend into full consciousness if we take it that far - the real magic is of far greater import, and has greater reach and consequence; the application of the 'true wisdom' we find when we follow our path to completion and start on a new one.

peace

It's evil. You are a black catholic? Here's a spoiler for you: The Oklahoma branch of the NSM shares the same POBOX Number as Joy of Satan. It's a farce. You'd be the first black to support skinheads and Nazis.

Go ahead, cross reference their POBOX number, Tulsa Oklahoma, in google. I guarantee you I am right, unless they changed it.

Shamanism, however, is good. It should be studied separately from... that farce the Jack of Satan. Joyofsatan.com is a lie, which is why I call them evil. As for Spiritual Satanism, the magick is real, the energy is real, and it is benevolent, but mind you, you should read my post on dark energies and working with demons: It's like working with nuclear power. You better know what you are doing, or else it changes you in unforeseen, and often undesirable, ways.

This post has been edited by Xenomancer: Nov 7 2008, 09:07 AM

When I was referring to that website I just wanted to find out if it was evil or not. Apparently, it is and finally someone like you answered the question. I heard people say that their is a secret name of God and that our ancestor Lilith said it. I am interested in spiritual satanism because some reason whenever I indulge in to things that my family, or religion says that it'll corrupt you it is so evil. Like for example as a Catholic my priest always talk about that sex is so sinful and you must control the desires. If I was rude I would have said I'll stop thinking about those hot girls at my catholic high school who are white and have nice asses if you stop beating you f@Cking dick. He always has something to say that he thinks is ultimately evil. Now if I want to spiritual satanism as a catholic where do I began? Okay, I don't want to side sound ignorant but the magick is it that I can do anything that I want . Like if I wanted to have randomly some chick come to my house. I don't mean by forcing her but it since like the law of attraction if you think about something long enough and have faith that you'll get it you'll have it. But if I do learn this it will be more than just woman. The only reason why I am so curious is because I have always been to me that something supernatural is always been around me sometimes. I have intances like one time when i was a little boy I woke up one morning and something said in a loud voice and with care that i'll be in trouble today. I still can't get over it. Or when one night I was in a nightmare and something was on top me for a few seconds that said that I won't win. But the recent thing in the last 2 months was in another dream it felt as though some slithering snake was slipping up to my head(it wasn't kunalini). When I woke up I was scared or when I was at my grandma's this summer and i had prayed to Lilith( now knowing that I shouldn't). After I prayed to Lilith, this was after all those incidents in another thread that I made when I had those sexual adventures at night. Now back to the story, after I had got into bed and 30 minutes I suppose had passed I felt my body was becoming numb and that something grabbed my arm not like violently but you just grabbed it and then I was all brave and I went "Who goes there" nobody answers but then it comes back I can feel something on top me I have to admit having sex with me. So then I get out a bed again,"Who goes there" nobody answers. So after a while I fall asleep and no bad dreams happen. No bad dreams have happen since. As a matter of fact, I don't think I can dream any more, because it seems that my life is at default. I can't cisualize like it is there. I can day dream but when I close my eyes it's only but darkness literal darkness nothing. The other reason why I want to use magick for to get back at someone and just to let you know it's not to kill someone. I heard incidents of some idiot wanted to kill someone and someone he love died instead of the person he hated. It's something really minor and it has nothing to do with killing. So i putting my foot down on this if anyone asks. But the ultimate reason I want to try this out is to have fun but I know I have to be responsible with this magick and I hear you. Is this site and forums is about esoteric knowledge then I am up for it because my people(every human on this planet) must look to each other as one. THe only reason why I was acting mad about some people need to be destroyed is because I seen the movie Zeitgeist and Zeitgeist 2. These 2 movies hit me in the head like never before I have never seen manipulation at work as money, and politics. Religion is easy to point out that they fakers because they all talk about they have revelations from God, gods, or no god and that they superior than the other. please tell me on the sacred-magick.com website what must I do as a beginner to start. PLEASE

step 1: Determine whether or not spiritual satanism is going to be your path. Feel it with your emotions. Feel it with your heart. If yes, move to step 2
Step 2: Read the JOS Website and study it with a spoonful of salt (that is an expression, btw, just in case you may have not known)
step 3: Without associating with the JOS organization, choose a demon to associate with
step 4: Be ready for your solitary path, double check what you know, throw out every political and/or conspiracy BS the JOS says, and JUMP right into it. That is the only real way to get into a real spiritual satanist experience.
Step 5: Keep working at it. Keep practicing. Keep meditating.
Step 6: Keep grounded. only with feet firmly on the ground can a head in the clouds be safe.
Step 7: Revel in your power as you define your own path of good and evil by your own standards.
Step 8: Rejoice in knowing that you are your own person, and your path led you to self-empowerment.
Step 9: Thank the Goetic demons/gods for being friends and guides through your journey.
Final Step: Remember this key always-- Fear is the enemy. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is subtle. Fear will destroy you. Make your reality be grounded in love, not fear.

Zeitgeist, as much as I respect them for their free press agenda, works from a stance of fear, which takes whatever respect I had for them and multiplies it by 0. I cannot believe a thing they say until they make their tone more informative and less fear-mongering.

People act stupid out of fear of something. Never study magick, throw a spell, or develop yourself while motivated by fear.

I wish I had a Yoda smiley so I can put that beside, "Fear is the path to the dark side of the force." And by dark side, I don't mean satanism, I mean total oblivion of self and others. In this metaphor, satanism is just a complimentary opposite of the light-- the shadow. The dark is a total absence of light. No shadows exist in complete darkness, friend. Consider these words of wisdom.

Good luck.

This post has been edited by Xenomancer: Nov 8 2008, 02:28 PM

Thanks for the info. But the first Zeitgeist movie you're right but the 2nd movie is totally the truth. Their are cases in our system that shows that our government have been lying to us. I found the court case files in the second movie of Zeitgeist: addendum where Jerome Daly(a lawyer) went to court against the First Bank of Montgomery because he stop paying his bills for his mortgage. Jerome Daly and the bank had to give out a had to give consideration for the mortgage. Jerome proved however the bank did not have legitimate reason for the mortgage because the money that we used in America is counterfeit. We all know on a dollar bill it says legal tender on it well it shocked me on finding out how worthless it is. The dollar bill we have is equal to literall shit.

The internation bankers( Illuminati families)::

•Rothschild (Bauer or Bower) - Pindar

•Bruce

•Cavendish (Kennedy)

•De Medici

•Hanover

•Hapsburg

•Krupp

•Plantagenet

•Rockefeller

•Romanov

•Sinclair (St. Clair)

•Warburg (del Banco)

•Windsor (Saxe-Coburg-Gothe)


These families are true reason why their homeless people, people commiting murder, rape and all other sorts. The systems of capitalism, socialism, communism, and fascism are all the same because they have a monetary system. It explains it in the movie how they are the same. If anyone hasn't seen Zeitgeist 2 here is the website:http://www.freewebs.com/redx1/apps/videos/videos/view/1037606-zeitgeist-2-addendum

Go to this website for the Credit river files:http://www.lawlibrary.state.mn.us/CreditRiver/CreditRiver.html

The question still remains the same: WHAT IS THE SECRET NAME OF GOD THAT OUR ANCESTOR LILITH SAID?


This post has been edited by asimon2008: Nov 8 2008, 03:44 PM

Every wealthy family has been accused to being associated with the illuminati. The honest fact of the matter, however, is that who is or is not, and whether there is such an organization, is of zero consequence to you, unless you intend to do something about it, and then you should have your facts straight and make sure that there is no mistake - based on your own research and findings, not based on gut instinct or documentaries or anything like that (if they're as powerful as they are supposed to be, you can be certain whatever you did learn from a paper, a documentary, etc., is misinformation anyway) - because otherwise you don't know what you're getting yourself into, and can't be certain that effective or not your actions are worth anything. In any case, the journey begins with you yourself, not with these elite families.



If it's a secret, what makes you think anyone here knows - and if we did know, what makes you think we would post the secret name of God here on the forum. Did you ever think that it might be secret so that you have to go through the journey of discovering it to learn what it is? If you'd done any research, you'd have learned at least that it is unpronouncable.

I'll give you a hint - that doesn't mean that you aren't supposed to say it. It means, just like the word implies, that it cannot be pronounced.

There is also no evidence to support that lillith was our ancestor. That's more conspiracy theorist jargon drawn from misinterpretation of the source texts, in the effort to prove a conspiracy - in the case of the lillith stuff, usually one involving aliens, or at least demonic overlords.


Buddy, I can appreciate all these questions and the need to make sense of the world, but like Xenomancer said, you won't know until you do it. There's no short cut, there's no one who can, or at least will, give you the answers you're looking for free and clear. You clearly don't even know who you are yet, so worrying about making sense of the rest of the world is pointless at this stage of your journey. Focus on your Self for now is my final word of advice here - until you sort yourself out and have explored who you really are, will you ever be able to begin to unravel the rest of the world's mysteries.

peace

I dont know if I understood the questions being ask but I give it a shot.

I dont see shamanism as being evil. It all depends ont he intent of the person.
In tribal societies Shamans are their to serve the community.

Thoughts help create your own reality - within everyone else's reality. Actions put forth the eenrgy needed to shape the thoughts into what you require, and often affirmation can assist in further developing what is needed or wanted.

For the more experienced, energy itself can be manipulated to effect people on all levels - In my opinion, its best to let thoughts themselves fall away and act on feeling too. "feeling" is normally underdeveloped and leads into further understanding that the intellectual perspective misses out upon. I hope that helps.

and there is no evil, and no good, just energy

it is only your relative energy that makes it 'feel' one way or the other

the energy never changes, only your emotional response to it from your relative level

eat only meat for a month and see how you feel, then don't eat any meat at all for a month and see how you feel

same reality, just different observation and subjective evaluation

in objective reality vs subjective reality, both suck and neither is true reality as both are filtered through half-blind observation and faulty senses

so, whom do you serve?

'because you serve the lords of chaos', as rodant kapoor said to ruby1

Zel, it can be useful to label different energy, as it will effect a certain way. If you pump "fire" into someone it will definetly cause a change in that person's psyche that is most noticable.

IMO, anyway. In my experience even higher entities label certain energies that are dangerous to touch, or ones that help heal a way that is useful. (Subjective as always but will still effect everyone it is used on the same) as it can be to touch a hot stove. I do see your meaning in the "not" evil or good though.