i was recently thinking about inviting a spirit or jinn of some sort to share my body. im sure an entity with no corporeal form would enjoy the change and im sure i could put the extra energy to use. obviously there is potential danger. i realize that. i would just like to hear your opinions on whether or not i should do it, and if i do, how to go about it, or what kinda spirit to invite.

Just be careful what you invite in. I would at least have someone who is able to do an exorcism if things go wrong.(just in case)

i feel ridiculously inadequate for not thinking of that on my own. seriously. thank you. im glad i posted this...

Do...not...do...this!
Read my Cautionary Tale here on Forum.
At 17 I'd rather doubt that you have adequate skill levels to handle this kind of invasion, wanted or not! I'm a 'materializing medium' and at my advanced age am reluctant to allow anything through without close help at hand....and that means a partner to pull your ass from the fire.
Recently my curiosity was piqued when I read a few books about the djinn and foolishly 'invited' the spirits to enter my abode and we would have exchanges of information. I was psyched! and was thrilled by their agreance... Then, things went sour. The visions that they showed me proved false and within a blink of an eye I found myself host to a nasty brood of astral vermin/parasite that really stretched my resources. Thank you to those of you who helped, you know who you are. I will never repeat such a poor performance again! And...I've been at this for more than 60 years!

Get yourself up to snuff by forming good, solid foundations. You needn't invite a being in to establish the Sight. Hosting a spirit of fire is hot work...you are not manufactured for that! Can you smell bacon? Hmmm..... A good mage is not a reckless one! A reckless mage is a dead mage (if they are lucky)...

Good luck and good journey! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/horse.gif)

i suppose i'll hold off on that then...

True ,its dangerous,but yet it maybe a very intresting experience,if you Do dont forget to make a time line for possesion,that is, i will share my body with this spirit for a week starting today,also choose the spirit carefully,choose one that is moderate.

I have done this for a day last year,I shared my body with asmoday,There was a sudden rush of energy,i felt active,my thoughts were very practical and really smart,there was something ,That day ,girls were enchanted by me,they were doing things that would be unappropriate,girls that i do not know touched me and was telling me constantly how cute i am.
I figured out that they saw asmoday in me and his attractive energy attracted them,since i am not that handsome or special.

but there was an outburst of madness by the end of the day,i felt like jumping off the window....if your mind is not strong enough dont attempt to try it...

i am working on invoking my eternal soul into my physical body - this is something new, i think - if you know data on this, let me know please

how did you do your invite? - just say "hey, a-bob, c'mere dude!"? - i don't think the eternal soul would break the established curfew and manifest for that - i'm trying a variation on 'drawing down the moon' called 'drawing down your soul'


edit: i have tried for a while now to live 'up the ladder' (of the chakras), with my base chakra being 2 whole sequences higher than the 'normal' chakra vibration, with some expeditions to 2 more sequences higher still - telepathy and psi-work blossoms at these exhalted levels, but it cannot be held and the vibration gradually slows back down to the previous vibration over time - living high on the chakra ladder is very useful for spiritual work, but is also very dehumanizing

this new thing is to maintain that exalted vibration, but invoke the eternal soul into the body as one would a non-corporeal creature, housing it within the body, perhaps permanently, and using the energy gained to reach and maintain an even higher state of vibration, plus the transference of the awareness from the physical body to the eternal soul- could this be ascension?

we know that under possession by powerful beings, physical laws are broken, cuts do not bleed etc,, and many insights and information may be given, but the possession has no long mission in mind nor gives information directly associated with the individual's eternal existence - not so for possession by the soul of the individual, or so that is the thought

it all comes down to the invocation, the ritualistic ceremony where the drawing down is actually done, naming (declaring and defining) the presence, declaring all conditions and agreements (protections for both it and you, such as a 24-hour time limit at first in case there is trouble), discerning (filtering) the presence to be sure what you called, and then calling the discerned presence to come within, eventually seeking total possession of the body by the presence

there are many versions of the invocation procedure, from established cm, to wicca, to new age nonsense, to downright dangerous bs - personal preference and path will indicate the one to follow, only what would be invoked would be one's eternal soul

more later

This post has been edited by esoterica: Apr 6 2009, 01:32 PM

"how did you do your invite? - just say "hey, a-bob, c'mere dude!"? - i don't think the eternal soul would break the established curfew and manifest for that - i'm trying a variation on 'drawing down the moon' called 'drawing down your soul'"


They will not carefuly break the cerfew because:
Since a magician should be in control of his state of mind,
since the spirit is a mode of your mind,it doesnt exist outside it (nothing does).
then total control over your mind body and spirit will be a good control method of the spirit.I say control,not all control is bad or mean,since
control via love and respect is the strongest form of control,yet..if this doesnt help,there is always the solomonic curse of chains.there is always ways to banish an entity,ironically the question is,will you be in a state of mind (under possession) to perform the curse of chains or binding of rebelious spirit..?
The trick is to keep a small portion of your mind awake and aware of your identity (the real you) this would be your ticket back to your real identity.

yet i do not do possesion alot,but i certainly do invocations,since there is hell of a difference between the two..

Blessed be.
Azareth

I think its an interesting idea. I agree that you should know how to or have a way to exorcise the djinn if things get rough. Also remember it wouldn’t be like on TV or some anime show. Or what if it is and you end up unconscious for a day and waking up to a dead prostitute and one million dollars in cash everywhere.

I would also NOT recommend it--especially at age 17. I don't necessarily believe that entities such as djinn exist "out there" in some etheric space but I do believe that lots of creatures live as elementals and archetypes within one's own consciousness--and you don't want want them flying out. Long effort in magical and mystical and psychodynamic disciplines (of whiich so-called Kundalini yoga and chakra meditation is one) is required to 1) bring out these entities and 2) effectively work them or work with them rather than having them work you.

Rather than thinking about asking an entity to posses you (plenty already are, actually), try experimenting with servitors and personal god-forms instead. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/00000064.gif)

i would definitely recommend going for possession by one's own eternal soul rather than a jinn or some other entity - it is so great

i set a limit of 24 hours and decided to bind it with the limitation of love and me having to wear a particular jewelled necklace for it to possess me

i called my own eternal soul thrice, bound it to the task with the limitations via the threat of my death, discerned it by its love for me, then, deciding all was well, invited it in by donning the necklace

no dead prostitutes or scattered dollars, but the strangest memories, and such immense power!

i shall take off the necklace at bedtime this time since i didn't get much sleep - nothing like throwing a party then trying to sleep through it

it was a very neat! - our souls are really super-powerful, not it was what i expected at all! - even if it was an astral ghost or whatever, with the discernment of love, it was required to be at least the image of my eternal soul that claudates a portion of itself into this body of mine anyway

like accessing the subconscious through deep meditation, but much better and stronger

very cool

"i would definitely recommend going for possession by one's own eternal soul rather than a jinn or some other entity - it is so great"

I dont know esoterica,I do not clearly grasp the idea of being possessed by your eternal soul because you and your eternal soul are the same thing,since i know very little of your concept,i cannot give much information,since i dont know,tell me more please.

"Just be careful what you invite in. I would at least have someone who is able to do an exorcism if things go wrong.(just in case)"

true. Dont invite some sinister spirit you dont know well,its like inviting a psychopath with distructive instincts to stay over night in your house.only in this case its more dangerous.

This post has been edited by azareth: Apr 11 2009, 03:00 PM

I think I should invite/invoke Stiri into my body for a day so I can be like a sex goddess. This is just for experimentation of course.

you are all saying invocation is powerful, then i must be doing it wrong.

I've done a few, and none of em worked too well.

I said what happened when i invoked hermes in another thread.

I invoked thor and nothing to my perception happened.


And i also invoked a comic book character once (Jojo) To help me exercise and gain some willpower and resolve. As a result i failed at the exercise and temporarily lost all of my willpower. after an hour, i gained it back while talking to jojo in my head, then he went away.


That is my experience with invocation.

Im doing something wrong if something as excessive as with azereth can happen, but nothing really does.

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I asked this in another thread, but

How does one invoke properly.

I usually say a prayer/incantation and have an image of who im trying to invoke in my mind.

I then focus on that and wait til i feel their presense, then i have a quick conversation with them, then take them into myself...... then nothing really happens.

This post has been edited by davisxmonster: Apr 19 2009, 02:18 PM

The fact that you invoked and talked to a comic book character in your head means you might want to take a break from the occult and get more grounded in reality. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fool.gif)

....no i actually kinda got the idea from members here in an old chaote thread i dug up.

http://www.sacred-magick.org/index.php?showtopic=493&hl

seemed crazy.

crazy enough to work.


so i tried it out.

after all, if someone came up with the persona of the character, then it exists on the astral plane, right?

This post has been edited by davisxmonster: Apr 19 2009, 05:56 PM

hmmmmm.... sounds like a great idea, but then again, I've seen the damage people like sitri can do. The person in question ended up trying to strangle me, then rumaged through my mothers car. He was 16 at the time, and I never knew sitri hung around him till mid last year when my girlfriend (who can actually see) told me. made a lot of sense.

I've had some pretty cool experiences with some, but I think the people I would let in would be marduk, ronove (funny guy), uvall maybe, amenidial or demorial. Marduks a bit of a cross dresser, just think twisted sister. I bet he would be a LOT of fun to have around, he's always joking about.

but I've also seen the whole demon possesion side... but not as much as I should. snakes and laders, people. some go up, some go down.

It is a perfectly valid approach to invocation. The question would be the method of invocation.

A lot of people will pick a particular god/goddess, or a comic book character, or a demon, etc., which probably will include some cursory examination of said 'entity's qualities, temperaments, associations, etc.

But just knowing that stuff doesn't amount to much in terms of magical actions. If you want to pull of an invocation, you should be looking into the history and mythology of an entity, get a sense of the personality and principles that are a part of that entity. "Oh Buffy Somers, please come dwell within me and make me strong like you are!" is not enough for an invocation. You should spend time to really get into that entity's frame of mind, its perspective, understand its relationship to humanity - even through fiction. All 'characters' either classically mythological or 'fictional' are archetypes, and those archetypes are not new, no matter how new or old a 'character' is.

You can do invocations to djinn, to favorite gods or goddesses, to buffy somers, to the devil him/itself but if you haven't developed any kind of sympathetic psychic connection, you could get anything, including your own manifestations of your interpretation (on the unconscious level) of what that 'character' is supposed to be - and that comes loaded will all your own neuroses, through a very dirty lense in most cases (we all have a dirty lense, if we need to invoke in the first place.)

Invocation, then, doesn't have to be a single ritual act. Classical evocation isn't a single act, is it? Not really - all books discuss preparations that take days, week, even months to enact properly, and commentaries further invite the would-be evoker to dwell on the nature of the evocation, on the properties of the spirit evoked, the ritual elements, etc.

Invocation is the same way - a process for which the formal ritual, in whatever form, if there even is one - is but the culmination, the climax of those preparations, those days spent focused on gaining sympathy with the being and with the act of invocation itself.

So, just because you do an invocation and -something- happens, but its not what you wanted/expected, doesn't mean that invocation doesn't work for you, or that anything negative took you over, or even that anything really happened at all. Usually, the primary problem in a failed invocation is that there was no work really put into it. No heart, to sympathy applied to the principle being invoked.

Give the same method a try again, but this time really put heart into it. Write a paper if it helps (it does for me) on the history, personality, and character of a particular being. Read a different myth and really consider the subject entity's role in the myth, their dynamic with with the other mythological characters. Try to recognize what part of you they actually connect to, what element of human psyche or character they actually represent. Look at how that part of you interacts with the other parts and try to draw parallels. Attempt to understand how that character is already present within you, and then begin preparation for invocation. Spend a few days after planning our or setting up the necessary ritual elements, really focusing on the act and building it up in your mind. When you get there, don't just mutter your invocations, don't say them robotically from wrote: throw yourself into them, work yourself up into a frenzy, call to this entity that you now know intimately as though calling to a lost lover, as though trying to call you brother, sister, father, mother, husband, wife, even your child, back from beyond the grave. Cry, scream, laugh, whatever seems appropriate, and let that being know that you are calling to them with a passion.

And then, you'll know what an invocation really feels like.

peace

Go for the gold and invite Belial in! Joking. I would suggest seriousl;y reconsidering this. Even if it is succesful it could ill effects on you years down the line that you never even foresaw coming.

so is your own eternal soul bound to yours? and you to it? or does it come form space? or som place? i only ask because, it feels like an event in my life..maybe?

i think i'm gonna try it out. i'll have my spirit guide watch over me while i do it. i think i'll start with an hour time limit. what do you guys think? any suggestions?



still talking about the jinn btw...

Hay esoterica. Did you find your eternal soul similar to you? I mean it would be wiser and stronger with so many experiences and lives together but I am reluctant to merge with this.

I like my own individuality I dont wanna merge with anything lose my personal self after death.
can you truly be Immortal and not lose your personality.

Can you stay earth bound and avoid the second death if you trained hard on astral projection and vampirism?
I have no proof of this it is speculation but Ive had a couple out of body experience anyway and wondering if it may be possible?

There are a variety of ways to maintaining the ego upon physical death. The semantics gets blurry here. But your Dreaming body, ie the 'fetch' as it were fragments from the other pieces of the body (the higher self, the soul, etc.) and is still attached to the etheric body. Together they can either learn to parasitically draw whatever form of energy that is required to keep the 'shell' alive...this can range up and down the EM spectrum depending on the nature of the splitting and in what form and level of maturity was maintained during the split. Aaargh! Sounds like spirit soup! Unfortunately if the split has occured there is no going backwards but if the split hasn't formally taken by death, the victim may be returned to 'normal'. Why all this insane fascination with the very much mistaken mystique about vampirism? Unless suffering under some horrifying trauma the physical death is a natural transition period. One of the biggest reasons that you don't have visitations from beyond the grave is that upon dying one isn't inclined to care about their past existance (this is where Lethe comes in...or whatever symbolic equivalent you'd like). Ghosts are only 'fragments' of the whole. Vampires are more highly evolved (so to speak) than ghosts and retain the astral shell and a fair amount of emotive force to drive it.
I'm sorry for going off topic here...would you guys like another thread dealing with afterlife for fun and profit (tongue in cheek)? Someone start one!

I've had a number of close encounters with astral parasites that were and sometimes are troubling. One encounter was thought, at first, to be an living arrangement with 'the Djinn'. I was an ass and I paid a high price. Thank you Fio! Be careful when inviting in houseguests...sometimes they don't leave! And they ALWAYS leave their mark! Hence, "Know Thyself" before inviting the neighbors in! Ask any decent spirit medium their thoughts on this! I assure you that you will be astounded! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/zomby.gif)

Yes It is getting of topic here So I may make a new Topic after this.
from your explanation the dreaming body isnt even self aware just in a dreaming state.

I am wondering since all you ethric body may get seperated if there is a way to stay aware on the astral body closest to the real time zone astral like an astral projector and be able to survive without running out of energy etc
I just see Vampirism as a possible method to avoid the astral body lossing energy. it wont have a connection to the body to exchange energy But can probley train yourself to store large amounts and be able to draw life force from other living things to survive. Is it a possibilty I often wonder.

Just because I am afraid that upon death the ego will merge or mix and will lose its identity without being seperate you may lose all you personality. But imagine being able to roam freely on the real time zone and being able to explore the physical world you could continue to grow and evolve without returning to the source or being reincarnated and forgeting everything. Dont you ever wish to continue as you are?

If that is at all possible it would be worth it to train to leave the body and draw energy and you can try and stay for longer and longer. But again I don't have enough information to be sure. Im just making informed guesses.

I have Invited house guest before. I have stayed in meditation during Evocations with Samagina and have seen what appair to be spirits that have been hovering to the right side of the triangle somewere near were my bed is. unfortunatly It was done in my room so It wasnt easy to sleep. I felt a shiver up my spine when I was noding off. Do you think it is really that dangerous. I wanna learn some necromancy arts safely so I can explore the afterlife without any danger. I know its wierd but it fascinates me I can't help it. But what I should be doing is paying more attention to being carefull having more protection right. I cant keep doing it like that right? And I shouldnt be going to graveyards at the dead of night by my self. Its stupid I wanna experience something paranormal Im always doing stupid things and putting myself at risk. perhaps my horoscope Scropio Moon has something to do with this.

srry for being of topic But it is the Dangerouse like invoking a djin spirit wantedly into you it could be much more dangerous aswell.
Wow I have been extremely bussy today. I have done a 2 hour meditation, LBRP LBRH and Middle Piller. aswell as recite the first 2 Enochian calls for half an hour. did a bone divinition. and read a book on Kabbala and Im gonna start the 90 days to OBE by Robert Bruce. Im getting into the Occult again after a long time of not practicing. It feels good. Im gonna get back into the rutine. hopefully this time I'll finsh the mastering astral porojection in 90 days book. I have started and stopped about 10 times now no kidding.

I wanna get the book called The Dark Arts of Immortality: Transformation through War, Sex, & Magic (Paperback)
by Ross Shott it sounds like a good read and maybe it has the information I am seeking.

This post has been edited by xXDaemonReignXx: Oct 8 2009, 08:31 AM

I would not invoke a djin. Actually I would not invoke *any* entity except for one.
that's what Evocation is for (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif)
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I have done/am doing something similar to what esoterica has commented on. And for those who have a more strictly western esoteric perspective, invoking the higher self is quite similar to HGA (higher guardian angel) work. I probably take things a lot further than most paths in this regard though.

My understanding of it is that the 'higher self' is in fact a form of deity. In that it is an 'infinite being' (not like a super egregore deity as found in most religions). One of the posts in this thread labeled the higher self as a facet of the self's psyche. I disagree, that sounds backwards to me. I would say that the 'regular incarnate self' is but a tiny facet of the higher self. If I (everything about me, this life, this persona, consciousness and unconsciousness, etc) am a leaf, then my higher self is the tree. not the other way around.

My impressions of the higher self are: timeless, infinite, serene, powerful, enlightened, omniscient, and just generally amazing. it is my understanding that all 'infinite' beings are in effect "one", as nothing which is 'infinite' fails to encompass everything else which is 'infinite'. But that infinite being-ness is infinitely depersonalizing. So we see beings which span from 'infinite' to 'finite' in a sort of dualistic state of being. one foot in 'Aum', the other in a finite state, having a persona. Actually I've been taught that this is the ideal state (rather than the more popular eastern idea of being 'just' infinite, as in nirvana), being technically 'broader in scope' than infinity itself. which probably sounds badly confusing, but anyway...

I have a longstanding intimate relationship with this being, of whom I am a facet, as a sort of personal deity in my path. Actually you could sum up my entire occult path as a mutual effort between her and I to bring myself into a state of harmonious parity with her. Towards this end, the goal is not to just 'possess' me, but to encourage me to grow into a state of oneness with her. An additive process, rather than a supplanting one. In instances where I have evoked her, the purpose was to give me a feel for some facet of her own nature & paradigm. Or just as an exercise in intimacy.

Currently, after some 8 years of this path, I find that the line between gets a little blurred in places. But I do still basically view her as 'external to the self'. For example, I still harbor romantic feelings for her (actually very intense romantic feelings). Which would be fairly 'odd' if I fully viewed her and I as 'one'... or maybe it wouldn't be odd, i dunno. I've been told that when my path is complete, I will still be 'me', just "me +". In effect, my own persona, but joined with her (and technically all other infinite beings) at the depersonalizing infinite end of my existence. I guess in a way you could almost view that as being an 'offspring' rather than a merger. Which might explain why she described herself as my 'Mother' in our early encounters. hmm.
anyway, that's the game plan.

she's the only thing I'd invoke. no other entity has any business in this body. although I am growing less body-centric in my sense of self, and there may come a time when I don't care what happens to it. still, I would think this body would have sentimental value, even after outliving its usefulness... hard to say.
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vampirism is, in my opinion, a perfectly workable way of maintaining energy levels without making any energy of your own in the normal way living people do. I myself haven't made any energy internally in... well a very long time. perhaps not ever. the energy flows in my body involve an outward accessing of energy resources, and channeling that through the upper chakras, from the solar plexus on up. The lower chakras with their root-based energy generation seem in myself to either be entirely missing or completely nonfunctional. For quite a lot of years I accessed the personal energy of other people. But I came to find that method of energy resourcing 'obsolete'. Because of just general increases in proficiency at manipulating & working with energy, and increasing astral capability, and my relationship with my patron, I found myself knee deep in possible options for accessing energy, other than 'people'. I really wasn't trying to find an alternative, I was fairly comfortable with my energy lifestyle, it simply changed as I grew spiritually. I no longer think of 'people' as having all that much energy really. Which I suppose sounds elitist, but I don't think there's anything intrinsically 'better' about having more or less energy. I spent a large portion of my life with pretty dismal energy levels due to my lack of internal energy generation, having more or less energy is no status symbol in my view. I have oddles & gobs of energy now, and it doesn't mean anything except for being somewhat empowering. But anyway, I do basically still 'access' energy rather than generate it. I just don't access other peoples' energy (unless they want to, in which case it'd just be an exercise in intimacy, not a significant energy resource). Instead I typically just charge up really obscene amounts of energy and let it overflow into people around me all day. Its more fun to do that, instead of 'taking'. But I digress.

I think your basic idea for maintaining energy without a body, through vampirism, is a workable one. At least in my opinion. I have seen in some more 'off the beaten path' psi vamp discussion & materials, some talk of 'bodiless' vamps, essentially like a psi vamp which is astral projecting, but without a body to return to. Mostly talk of such a thing seems to suggest that this is a particularly 'potent' and skilled sort of psi vamp. And there is even some talk of such a being simply possessing a living person as a means of incarnating, much like a 'walk-in'. That last bit sounds a little fanciful to me. Although I don't think it sounds functionally impossible.

I have run into astral psi vamps, but not often, and I had no way of knowing if they had a body to go back to or not. For the most part, on the astral, I don't see much 'vamping' being done by highly magically capable beings. Mostly it seems that more simplistic entity parasites are the ones doing all the vamping. Which matches with my experience that sufficient magical ability can obsolete the need for others' personal energy. But this is all just 'rule of thumb' impressions on my part.

This post has been edited by Kath: Oct 11 2009, 07:08 AM

Although im sure this is probably not the answer you wanted, I would still share my opinion with you since it could be helpfull as an alternative to your request. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

All the energy you require is allready within you(even if at small doses based on your daily use of that energy). If you wish to get more or just need more for some reason, the best way would be(logicaly) doing more on a daily basis or requesting it from your own core for a specific need if you feel you are lacking.
You can at the same time take from natural resources around you(wether the core of the planet or anything else "nature" wise) as a safe alternative that has little to no side effects that will bother you in daily life.

The reason im not recommending or suggesting ways to achieve the goal you asked about is because of several concerns. Spirits\entites(which ever you may try to contact) are unpredictable and may cheat you on "deals" quite often just like people would. Also what your suggesting is not a fair deal when they are allready getting what they wanted(which is sharing your phisical body\senses and mind) and at the same time they are not obligated afterwards to do what they promised in return or what you expected. Getting rid of an external entity\spirit is much easier then trying to do so when its swimming around inside and polluting your energetic system.

Also it is a common belief in the path i chose that your energy, your personal energy, is the best kind for you and any other may either pollute your energetic system or degrade it. Not negating the use of external energy other then your own by will alone for a certain idea or goal but why go through the trouble of doing so if, and that is only an assumption correct me if its untrue(based on what you wrote and asked for), you still lack the tools to do so.

In conclusion i would also add another point of view that you may try to "call" or "summon" a certain something specific that you wish for and you may end up with something else pretending to be just that. Could be very unpleasent if you do not have the tools yet to distinguish between them.

You just seem inexpirienced to me in dealing with these "beings"(either jin or whatever you may call them) and again i apologise ahead of time if i am wrong(otherwise it doesnt seem logical to me you would be asking what you asked for) since it is not my intention to insult you or your current ideas of magick. Anyway, even if some of what i wrote may be irrelevant in your mind i would be very glad if you at least considered my words before setting your sights on achieveing this goal at the current time.

(my personal opinion on the matter)

Best of luck! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by Shimi: Feb 23 2010, 04:53 PM

For your consideration:

A recent narrative by Hank Wesselman PhD. , author of Spiritwalker: Messages from the Future,
on his shamanic encounter with a djinn in Egypt.

Intro:

http://www.sharedwisdom.com/hanks-shamanic-blogum/encounter-jinn-genie-egypt

The full conversation:

http://www.sharedwisdom.com/article/encounter-jinn-genie-egypt

monkeyGeneral,
Thank you for posting those links! You may never know how much that meant to me. Ma'at kheru!

I am honored to be of service.