I've been debating whether I should take a break from posting at all anywhere, this internet seems to be a waste of time for me. Interestingly enough I've been actually practicing magick rather than talking about it. And talking about it generally gets me nowhere because I don't really get anything done other than trying to show my general wealth of knowledge in the hopes someone will compliment me, or I make a secret mockery of a person's blatant stupidity. I'm fairly certain this is what's going on in general, I've yet to see some interesting debate go on. Chaos was a certainly interesting read but multiple points were presented yet were unable to be thoroughly discussed or understood. So what I'm going to do is start a thread of something else entirely, and here it is.

What is the most recent magic(k)al working you've done and reaped results from? What procedure did you use? How did you come about finding these procedures? and did you repeat the experiment?

What was the most recent Magickal working, and what procedure did I use?

The most recent working I've done and have received benefits from was from a willful experiment, I was interested to see how easily I was able to manipulate the universe. So I went into the astrial and found a spirit to my liking. I got the spirit's name and sigil, we hashed out a contract and finally agreed. The job of this spirit was several, the spirit was to get me another job, and to make money for me. I would pay the spirit with ejaculation once per week and the spirit had a week to prove it's worth. I payed upfront and the next day I was to go pick up my paycheck. I went to the bank shortly after, which was packed and had only one teller working. I drove up through the drive-through, gave the man my check and waited for my money. The teller handed me an envelope and I drove off without looking inside. When I got home I opened the envelope compared the receipt and I had more than I should have (about 1/3 more).

Have I repeated the process?
No, for other reasons the contract was terminated.

How did I come about finding these Procedures?
It's been something I've been doing, kind of a mix between sigilization and astrial work.

Lets have another!

What was the most recent Magickal working, and what procedure did I use?

I wanted to learn how to ride a motorcycle so I looked on craigslist to buy a bike. I'm currently in a really warm area so motorcycles are pretty expensive. So I made a sigil with symbols pertaining to what I needed (price, running, title etc.) and charged it. I initially wanted to pay 200$ for a motorcycle (street motorcycle) just to see if I could do it. Immediately after I charged my sigil (the next day) I went on craigslist and saw that there were a bunch of motorcycles on there closer to my price range (but not quite). I called around a bit and it was no use. It took in total THREE days to find what I was looking for, it just so happened my price range doubled because of the above working, and bought it for half of what the seller was asking for. So in total I payed 400 for a running street bike with a title, already payed off, with 25k miles on it.

Have I repeated the process?
Yes, the bike needed a new gas tank because it's old one was a bit corroded. I did the sigil work, charged it and found one in six days for only 40$, these gas tanks are 600$ new from the dealer.

How did I come about finding these Procedures?
Basic sigilization you can find in Liber Null, Book of Results, Prime Chaos, and many others.

Now, am I waving my dick around? Maybe, but I want to know what you guys actually do. This talking is getting old, and I'm tired of the 'demon' haunting a family or a curse that needs to be lifted: DRAMA! I want to see your results, and compare notes. So I've shown you mine, lets see yours shal we?

Fortune Favors Fools,
Dancin Coyote.

This post has been edited by Dancing Coyote: Jan 22 2010, 02:14 AM

Greetings Dancing Coyote!
Well, I've always said that I'd prefer it if people would be blunt and spell out just what they want instead of meandering in inuendo and supposition...you nearly put my eye out with that thing! LOL! But then, I WAS looking...
Look, may I remind you that this is a Discussion Forum, first and foremost. Sometimes, people just need to talk. I can truly understand the frustration involved here...you'd like to hear about practical results and methodology of other people, leaving all the petty drama aside. I take it that this will help validate what the whole 'Magic' thing is...and I can respect that.
I've always enjoyed listening to your ideas/questions etc. You have shown to be an intelligent and articulate person. Not knowing you better than what this Forum has to offer, I can't compliment you farther without blowing alot of smoke up your ass.

My accomplishments in 'Magic' have been strung out across decades, some effective, some not. I've tried the whole jack-off with intent until I was semi-concious and in a state of bliss. I can't honestly say that this method was what helped in a few experiments or not. What I do know is that a focused application of will and intent has given me far more than I'd normally receive from going through the standard 'work-for-a-living' scenario. I'm still alive even after all the so-called doctors have screamed at me that I should be dead. Whether or not my 'connection' with my 'patron' spiritual entity has anything to do with this (as I am sure that it does) is highly subjective and will not stand up under 'scientific' terms/stricture. Along with this life extension there are other times when I've applied shamanistic technique to gain insight AND control over situations that shouldn't respond to a thought... Where do I begin? I've been playing around with sigils before any of you were born. What does that mean? I indulged a very bad cocaine habit many years ago without spending a dime using sigil magic. I am not proud of that...at all! It almost killed me. Stupid is as Stupid does. You may concede that this is not something that I particularily wished to tell about...but I'm old now and I could care less what others think about my social transgressions. Needless to say I never, ever hurt ANYBODY other than myself with this foolishness!

In Imperial Arts book(s) he mentions a technique that utilizes a 'connection' with various place-spirits/genius loci. If you can, read it! I used methods similar to this many, many years before and have reaped the benefits thereof. My 'technique' was garnered from my childhood where/when I used to speak with creatures in my surrounding woodlands....the typical fairy stories. To me, they've always been true. OK, some dotty old man has conversation with Fairies. They've pulled my ass out of some hairy situations before and who knows? in the future.
I have found that simple shamanistic practice has gained me much over the years. More so than all the God names and Words of Power or strict ritual espoused in all those 'ancient' tomes. Pragmatic occultism is my cup of tea. What I have noticed thru the decades is that fooling around with ritual not of your basic nature will land you into some bad situations. I once, in a fit of lust, tried a full blown Amatory Ritual which involved the evocation of some planetary spirits. It was a success! Not what I wanted....but a success! Something answered me, and I ended up holed up inside a cedar lined closet with protective glyphs warding me for 2 days! Not at all nice. But I was a great magician! Being 'born' a materializing medium has been helpful AND horrifying...all at the same time. It really illustrates just how much we need to understand how we work and how we resonate with our environs. Honing any psychic skill to the best of your knowledge and ability is very important! It should be said, though, I haven't suffered from Magic...I have a roof over my head, food in my belly, great music and art to enjoy (and create) and some superlative friends (well...not as many as I'd like *grin*). I don't have to 'work' anymore so I have alot of time to enjoy my newest endeavors. Bending and shuffling 'reality' and practicing OBE's and studying the nature of trance-states. (I'm also into making various liqueurs (I don't drink) and distilled elixirs) You'll find that creativity can greatly augment Magic...something to ponder...

Well, with my usual flair for digression, I'm sorry for vomitting up all that blather. I'll not pretend that I'm saddened to see you go if your frustration and ultimation aren't met. You've been a very productive and memorable member here at Sacred Magick and I've come to respect you and your thoughts. Thank you Dancing Coyote! I mean that in all sincerity. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/i_triangle.gif)

I like your stuff, Dancing Coyote. So hang in there. This site is slow but its my preferred board these days.

As a female practitioner with an interest in Chaos magick and Zos Kia , I've tried the sigiilization and oneristic charging practices without much result although I have had results when I sort of channel the sexual energy of a nale friend. The two last times I worked with the friend, 1) my computer monitor which had been messed up for a month spontaneously fixed itself and 2) a guy who people in my "lodge" felt magically assailed by fell off a 16 foot ladder. (--not that I wanted that to happen to him. I had been thinking about their and my own angst and invoking Glinda the Good Witch from the Wizard of Oz where she says "Rubbish! YOu have no power here. Begone! Before someone drops a house on you." But when I do banishing and averting magick, the results tend to be unintentionally severe. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blowup.gif) I totally crap out on love spells, though.

Early on, I had also experimented with adaptations of the death posture. As they say in astrology about certain transits, "weak, transient effect."

I also work best when I combine use of sigils with natural magic and shamanic technique. I don't follow recipes or instructions; I just adapt templates and act magically. I usually don't get too specific anymore when I define my intentions. Workings tend to then shift overall moods or circumstances. I often go into the woods and do some kind of meditation and imagine a sigil filling space and then feed beings in a kind of Buddhistic attitude and the effects can carry me through for days or weeks--or months.

About 2 weeks or so ago, I focused on money and work and used a sigil during a trance dance/shamanic drumming process I participate in with a group of women. I recevied enough money gifts for a milestone birthday to cover this month's mortgage as well as a refund check from my mortgage company and a paycheck that I had been waiting to receive since November. I also heard from several job leads. But magick or no magick. it's a long haul and life is rather precarious.One can connect the dots between intention and events or circumstance but it is all a matter of the placement of perception in a field of myriad potential happenings.
The wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round . . . .

"Do what thou wilt shal be the whole of the law"
Freud, Crowley countless others. Judgment is not my forte, my friend.

Now, I guess my interest lies in "what is your scientific process" I've been keeping a log of events which has proven to be really useful for many-a-thing. Simply writing in it once a day has proven over and over again how useful this is, and I thought it wasn't but to be honest I had no idea. Immediately after I started logging my events I was able to understand what was going on and when. And I was able to log my thoughts on certain subjects, books, ideas etc. Without this journal, I very highly doubt I would have received such results. I will stay and watch over you all with a keen eye, perhaps for the little blunderers into magick who need a push in the right direction.

I've found OBE can lead to overactive imagination when it comes to drama of the spirit world, silly results will be produced in order to justify these events. So for reasons I've found: it's necessary to have a clear idea in mind before taking yourself out, though it can be fun and interesting to a new practitioner. If one is adept at astrial work it is possible to take a fight to the astrial but when is there serious risk of battle? Indeed it may seem imminent but from what I've experienced they are rare occasions. Obviously barring the event a spirit called down thinks of you as a snack.



Now what was your methodology? Usually on sexual workings the magus has to clearly keep in mind what result s/he would like to have happen during the entire process (especially during ejaculation). Did you create a sigil? What method did you use to charge it? Furthermore did you log the events in a book? I think one must keep results in a book if one expects results. If you are able to explain your method I think we can try and hash out why no results are present. I've only been openly working alone, this does not mean I wouldn't be interested in joining IOT or .:A.:A but I doubt this will be anytime soon and I'd like to get a firm grasp on what I can do. I've kind-of taken the leap from generalized magick appearing in my vicinity, seeing it, and talking about it; to actually trying to influence the world around me, and even before I did not consider myself to be an armchair magician (so-to-speak). But looking back at myself I can see that I was indeed doing very little other than running my mouth. I did have very sound theory backing my ideas, but I did not have practice behind them, I am occasionally a pathetic individual when it comes down to it and I find these events very funny.

Fortune Favors Fools,
Dancin Coyote

What is the most recent magic(k)al working you've done and reaped results from?
About 3 years ago, doing a ritual to attract love into my life.

What procedure did you use?
I first printed out a collage of pictures of different women who represented the different characteristics of what I sought in a woman. If there was a picture of someone/thing that represented what I was seeking, I added it to the collage. When I was finished, I printed it out, blessed the paper by running it through incense smoke and chanting something. This was the first step.

Second, I made a potion. I do not remember the proportions used, but it was constituted of wine, himalayan pink salts, aniseed, cayenne (or was it birdseye?) pepper, poppy seeds, Lebanese Rosewater, lavender blossoms, and some other ingredients... I do not clearly remember. I chanted when I mixed the dry portions, chanted when I mixed the wet portions, chanted when I poured them into the vial, corked the vial, chanted when I shook the vial, and chanted every day when I took it out to chant over it, waiting for the ingredients to mix (I followed general directions for a book on home remedies, on making tinctures). Eventually, I took the vial out, got a catch basin and a filter, poured the mix over the filter, squeezed the filter until I had the fermented liquid portion extracted into the basin, and moved the liquid to another vial.

The third step, I lit candles, took out the collage printout, and made my own call and rite to attract love. When it came to the part of ritual to drink from the cup of the goddess, I used the potion I made. When it came to the ritual prayer, I vibrated my rite. I fell to my knees and called out to "Love," proclaiming it as the highest of powers.

I closed ritual.

What was the result?
Three days later, the woman who would become my ex-fiancee of 2 1/2 years confessed her love to me openly. The relationship started out fine, but hit many snares. There were many points of contention that I couldn't resolve with her. Amongst the more important points, was a lack of mental and spiritual rapport. Eventually, her love for me simplified into a physical intimacy addiction. We broke up officially as of October/November 2009.

How did you come about finding these procedures?
Imagination was my guide. This was done on the fly.

And did you repeat the experiment?
Yes, for a friend. Though, it did not work for him.

Now, I am doing a new one to attract love into my life. I will not divulge details until the ritual work is completed, as this is a 30-day endeavor, using a new method. This new procedure was taught to me from a woman who runs a sweat lodge, and who served as a mentor. She also inspired some of my more coherent posts, just to paint a picture of credibility here.

Back again (Lucky you!)

Yes...you are quite correct. Fantasy can and will exert its influence if you are not fairly meticulous in your applications. I, too, keep a journal, and it is a valuable tool. I like to also perform double-blind tests of my OBE's to validate their existance over and above just Fantasy. Having a very creative and imaginative mind has proven to be very difficult in using different forms of 'Magic', (ie divination, far-seeing, and OBE's to name a few) Though I have had the occasional bad astral experience it is not, generally, the rule....matter of fact, it is a rarity! I've only had one astral encounter that could be considered a 'battle' and it was so many decades ago that it may have been aught but a full blown anxiety attack! The summoning of the planetary entity was just stupidity on my part, as was my 'djinn' encounter! (Gosh, golly! Didn't anybody realize what a GREAT mage I was? LOL!...Occult JackAss, mores the pity) My life hasn't been the Romantic vision that I'd once thought it could be....but I'm an honest idiot and this has left me with a repetoire of colorful anecdotes to wallow in my old age...it just depends on the telling and resorting to self-deprecating humor. One of the Occult worlds Laws should be Laughter. Learning to see the absurdity of the Human Condition will help stave off the depression of the self-absorbed. There are no exceptions! IMHO, of course! Fighting on the Astral is only to be anticipated first because of what you, yourself bring with you! The Astral plane will respond plastically to a strong will...sometimes leaving the aspirant to be held to the mercies of their own bad habits! Well, enough digression, I was attempting a comment on your comment and left a soapbox. Pray, continue...

NOTE: Please, when responding to another members posting, it is NOT necessary to repeat that members entire post in a quote, unless you absolutely have to. Take a partial quote and address it, though try not to take the posting out-of-context! This is to save bandwidth and time...it is not a rule just a courtesy. Thanks, Bym.

"To know, to dare, to will, to be silent" but what the hell. I'll try to explain myself without putting Bym at risk of having any eyes pop out or worse, considering his oft-noted antiquity (IMG:style_emoticons/default/connie_mini_oldman.gif) (we're about an hr and half away from each other, btw).

My methodology with the oneristic stuff was standard textbook more or less how you explained it yourself. One creates a sigil of a desire-intention, focuses strongly on the sigil ,not the intention, and strongly visualizes it during climax. I hear a lot of men --young men--say this works well for them. Good for them. I haven't had any discussions with women about this although I know of 1 friend who was not familiar with Zos Kia or any occultism who did something like this but never mentioned getting results. In any case, my theory of why this and certain types of sigil charging work--and I think this was Spare's theory--was that you create a quasi-traumatric event (orgasm or sexual peaking or overload) that drives the sensory input of the moment into the deep consciousness and nervous system where it becomes a complex--a program --that then reflects itself in behavior and perception. Behavior and perception modify circumstance and in this way magical intention can appear to manifest. I'm not so sure that this theory stands anymore but I have not formulated a new theory.

The sex magick method that "works" that I have been experimenting with started out when a friend kept telling me that he wanted me to talk him through playing with himself--kind of in a sub-dom trip-. I wrote about this recently in another forum on this site. He spent about 2 years trying to talk me into playing. I finally gave in about a year ago. Wasn't into, never really got into it but thought about how to make it useful to me. I would make a sigil. He would focus on me and I would focus on the sigil and intention. When this is happening, we are not in the same room and he may or may not be looking at only my face via Web cam. Rather than sexual feelings, I often feel as if I am in a very high, dynamic meditative state, like when I was practicing an esoteric Dzogchen kriya meditation . Meanwhile, my friend is just looking at my face and tugging on his thing, bringing himself just short of climax and starting again. (Frankly, I think it's retarded, but he's otherwise a close friend and that's how he has sex. Whatever.. Unfortunatelly, I don't know any men who can manage having sex the real way. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/doh.gif) ) When we first started experimenting in this way, effects typical of psychic vampirism would occur . Over time, we figured out how to pace ourselves and inform each other to avoid these effects . At first, I also thought that his ejaculation and my focusing on the sigil at that point were important to sigil charging--but this is not the case--and did not translate into results.. In my focus on the sigil, I will simply come to a point of reverie and resolution regardless of what he's doing. Everything gets kind of white-light and calm. In the Glinda the Good Witch working, I focused on a sigil made from the statement in the movie "Rubbish, you have no power here. Begone." I imagined that I was Glinda the Good Witch and was, at first, anxiously and fearfully thinking about incidents regarding my acolytes and a person that they felt threatened by. My friend was concerned that I seemed bored, but I was just strongly focussed. At a certain point, I felt like Glinda the Good Witch and very calm and high. A day or two later, I got reports of things resolving among those friends/students who felt assailed. The person they felt threatened by promptly fell off a tall ladder w/o sustaining injury.

I sometimes do a technique similar to what is described by Xenomancer. I make a sigil and incense for the occasion, gather potion-like substances, create a ritual circle and then focus on the sigil and intention in a meditative way such that I visualize the sigil in 3-D form filling space. (Sometimes. I just burn the sigil w/incense and do this visualization). It is more about working up an intense energy-feeling and shooting it off "out there." The props just help set the mood. For this reason banishing/averting or rebounding magic works better than "love" magick because the emotion is much stronger, determined, and firmer and less whiney about the desired result (for me at least) I sometimes use a psy ball technique and sometimes mirror to launch such spells.

I also have an anecdote about a servitor.( I had created a servitor whose job , in part, is to protect me. I creaed it by simply visualizing the form, creating a sigil, a name, purpose, anda litany and burning incense and visuallizing while reflecting the late afternoon sun in a mirror. ) I had been at a party with the aforementioned guy who fell off the ladder (in more congenial days). A young woman spent the day hounding him for attention and being conspicuously rude to me. At a certain point, he and I were sitting and intently conversing. Along the wall above us were large wall panels that seemed decorative. The girl approached and lunged at the panel directly behind me--which was a cabinet. I had to duck to keep from gettng whacked in the head. I had been my demure, smilely self until that point. I traced the sigil of my servitor, had a suble seidr episode and imagined the thing biting her ass. At that moment. her levity dropped, she turned her face away and then she and everyone around her walked to the other side of the room. She did not approach me or him for the rest of the evening. Now, instead of smirking and rolling her eyes, she looks terrorized and keeps yards away from me whenever we happen to be in the same place at the same time..

I don't often write things down or try to standardize or exactly recapitulate things because the paradigm is always shifting. I work with templates. I've learned not to be too tight with results and to not think of result as made-to-order cakes. For me, magic is either purely experiential and experimental or else is a way to let off pent up energy or anxiety regarding a desire or obsession.

As for OBEs and astral travel, I know many people who are overly caught up in this and go overboard with self-referencing about their experiences. I sometimes use astral journeying technique but "with a clear idea in mind" about where II'm going. Because of my background in Eastern spirituality--and neurology--I have a different view of what is going on during these episodes than most people I know who are often just head-tripping. My mind has trouble getting there these days because it is not anywhere near as loud as it used to be.

I'll suffer the risk if you will! *grin* And...since I'm not mobile I will gladly entertain a visit from you, Soror! (How is the Elm City these days? Is Pepe's still making pizza?) Who knows...we might even know one another...6 degrees of separation...?
My frailties will have to understand. The idea that I police these discussions is unfortunate. I rarely employ censor unless it gets too heated and you haven't heated the waters, yet. So much for being silent. LOL!

What is the most recent magic(k)al working you've done and reaped results from?

I chanted an incantation and became a mod at an "I Dream of Jeannie" message board.




What procedure did you use? How did you come about finding these procedures?


It came about by accident. I REALLY wasn't expecting this! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

A few months ago, I was flirting with a mod at another message board (Just for kicks, I told him, "You're so handsome when you're official". To make a long story short, he melted and told me that it was the best post he had ever read! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) )

Ever since that time, I would often think about what I said to him and repeat it to myself, over and over again: "You're so handsome when you're official".

(I would often alternate it with "You're so sexy when you're official". It makes me feel warm all over just thinking about it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) )


Anyhoo, out of the blue, I was recently named a mod at an "I Dream of Jeannie" board that I belong to (I didn't ask for the job. I guess The Goddess/The Universe accepted what I had been telling myself all these months as an incantation/affirmation/request! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) )




did you repeat the experiment?


No. It was more-or-less spontaneous. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I don't know what to say about most of these experiences aside from: I'm glad they've worked. I feel occult theory is basically science yet to be proven, thus I keep the scientific method close to my heart rather than some deity or system of thought.

Interestingly enough I thought about my sigil work yesterday, I thought: "well if I imprinted my subconscious with a sigilized patten then I should be able to reproduce the procedure by strictly thinking about the results I'd like and empowering the visualized sigil without having to go through the embedding processes." I had thought of "The Book of Results" by Ray Sherwin, this could potentially work. I've had my motorcycle listed on craigslist to sell it (remember I had bought it for 400$), I listed the price as 1000$ (or best offer); after a few weeks there was nobody interested in the bike, it was my learning bike, there were several small things wrong with it, I had dropped it a few times (which was obvious); this bike definitely wasn't worth 1000$. So what I did was try what I was thinking, what was the harm? I went into a similar trance as I did the embedding and thought up a new sigil, visualizing it I gave it some 'energy' and let it go (the process couldn't have taken more than five minutes). That day I got a phone call from a guy interested in the bike, he came down and took a look at it. As if in a daze he simply bought it, he didn't know anything about motorcycles but there were some obvious things wrong with it which I pointed out. He didn't try to talk down the price, nor was he interested in talking about the bike; he just wanted to talk about other things, and buy the bike. Simple, but it worked.

Interesting. I'm quite excited about these results.

If it wasn't clear to you, I did the sigilized thinking and sold the bike in the same day (which was yesterday).

This post has been edited by Dancing Coyote: Feb 25 2010, 08:25 PM

That's fantastic, DC! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yes2.gif)


Great job! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Strictly speaking, this is 1000-440 so $560 from nothing at all. Imagine a larger scale.