depending on where you live there may be other individuals inclined to learn with you. maybe a local occult shop would know of some groups if you lived in a big enough city, would you care to expand on what you have done in the past with telepathy?

A solo setting is the only option available to me; I live in the middle of nowhere. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/badmood.gif)

What I’ve done in the past with this one aspect of my gift is impose myself on a person’s free will; I subtly without implanting words, can send them thoughts of things I wish for them to do for me without a limit to such. I can send a person pleasantly detailed visions or psychic attacks whether or not they are awake or sleeping and I can have a one-way conversation sent into the mind of the subject(s). Yes I implied that I can work what I do on more than one person at a time. That is the extent of what I can do with telepathy aside the stints of dowsing for thoughts. If I could work more with dowsing thoughts I’m certain that would change my situation considerably, to know what others think would have tremendous advantages, this much is plain obvious. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused012.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hmm.gif)

This post has been edited by GodlyMan: Aug 14 2010, 04:59 PM

Well, with the kind of fantastic power you already possess, I'm sure that you can easily manipulate your way into a position of greater resources. What are you looking for here? You need to be out plying your talents and doing something meaningful.

Telepathy is messy man, just like peoples thoughts, reading them and sending them in the right manor is about respecting them an honering their privacy an individuality,
in order to know what to read requires you create a state of mind where you read everything and let yourself remember only what your allowed to read, then when in different state
you will be blessed with hearing what they would like to send rather than everything.
remain honerable, be idealistic when determining the rules of your meetings, see people as beings of equal worth you wish to help establish a connection with.
Lots of people use different types of telepathy, try an be flexible when dealing with others, lots of people get paranoid about telepathy/manipulators so defenses can get quite high at times.

"Manipulating lesser unaware beings" --- dude, be careful not to let the ego bs get too you, you know your good but try an see all beings as equal, if you don't the u bet ur ass their is an even higher
being out their ready to return your attitude in kind.
A king among slaves is but a slave among kings, be like a king among kings.. a voice whispered that to me once while i was trying to deal with something quite similar.

Here's a tip, don't bother trying to prove it all to the scientific community, you may well do that at some point but when that exact point is depends on allot on wider factors.
Being their test dummy is a life you might regret.. anyway, the point was that reading the mind of a scientist is one thing.. acting on it is another,
it may well be that their minds will remain unclear to you all the time you plan to burst their bubble with the info.
Try by all means just don't underestimate the power of disbelief, some people spend their whole lives disbelieving all that is magical an that is a power a kin to that of god.

I'm no master, I've had quite a bit of success but then Ive had catastrophic failures that have left me with scars that could last lifetimes.
I dare say that you could easily out do me in this field, but in this game their isn't a student that isn't a teacher to a teacher, their is simply too much to learn.

Well while you're working on the metaphysical aspect, if you're interested in reading thoughts also read up on psychology and be observant of thought patterns when you speak with people. That's a little less spiritual and accurate than what you want, but a little more practical and easy to learn.

This is defiantly not what chasing, learning the aspects of psychology to do what’s called a cold reading isn’t what I’m after by far. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/offtopic.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mf_bookread.gif)

Actually, I think a knowledge of cold reading is important for any magician or psychic to have, but it appears GodlyMan is already at least somewhat acquainted with the concept.

I’m humble, but yet I also know that most of the human race isn’t up to the level mental awareness, where I or very few of us stand. They deserve compassion, I haven’t the right to go around messing with there heads when I please, that’s not how I’d wish to be treated. I think you’ve missed the point of some the things that I’ve stated. I’m only in this for the long hall to find self enlightenment, and to gain a greater understand of the inner workings of the mind so some day I can share what I’ve learnt and will learn with everyone that cares about evolving to our highest potentials. I carry a selfless attitude; the human race is in misery. I believe the world as we know it, would change its course with a better understanding of who we are. It wouldn’t change everything, but it would sure be a change of pace. Damn it, that counts for something! I guess no buddy at the moment is willing to help me find some worthwhile information, that’s ok, I’m sure things will not remain so forever. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yes2.gif) If someone wants to be helpful, send me a personal message. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/00000002.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bruce_h4h.gif)

This post has been edited by GodlyMan: Aug 20 2010, 04:09 AM

Well psychology and telepathy are very closely tied together... my point was that even if you can't find someone to practice with, you can still learn things that will help you with it in the long run; reading/working with someone's mind isn't helpful if you can't understand it. I'm just saying that one thing will add to another and you have nothing to lose either way in this case... not really THAT off topic (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif)

Don't you have any friends you could try it on, or are they too far away? How far is your 'range'?

I've only had one telepathy experience, very vague. I was sitting beside my friend and I just randomly asked her, "Are you thinking about cats?" She's also very random, and was thinking about meowing. Some days though I swear we share half a brain.

Do you have any people you just 'connect' to?

Uh, no. Just because you involve yourself withthe serious study of occult or spiritual sciences, does not mean you have to take evryones claims at face value, or that you should. I have been on this forum for quite a while now, and I've seen a lot of people make a lot of claims. Farbeit for me to outright deny someone all together, but it would be foolish to assume that everyone claiming to do something parapsychological or miraculous is telling the truth. Just because these things exist doesn't mean there aren't crazies out there. My best friend's schizophrenic sister once told me she would kill me with her mind. One of my reiki peers once told me he could fry a person's psyche and make them irrecoverably insane. The same person claimed to be able to burn a person's spirit, and that I was magically crippled due to a past life magical catastrophe. This after I called him out on his BS.

So you, as the one claiming to control people's minds, need to think about being more patient, and less obviously insecure, with people who will inevitably doubt your paranormal powers.

Hm.

First of all, nobody said anything that doubted your abilities. Where did that come from? I think what people were criticizing is that you seem to think your ability makes you "better," or "superhuman." No matter what powers we may possess, they don't make us gods. They make us freaks of nature. I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm not saying it should be stopped, I'm saying that it's different and not better, if only because having these powers will also load us with responsibilities and cares beyond that of a normal man - if we use them wisely, which, since you're not opposed to enslaving peoples' minds, you aren't.

My magick has nothing to do with ESP, so I don't know what you were trying to say there, because at least from my POV that made no sense.

I don't scoff at the idea, I scoff at the egotism, which is an entirely different thing, and I think that's all anyone did. Also, like Vagrant said, not everyone who says they can do things is telling the truth. I can say that I'll drain your energy from where I am now and based on your own principles you have to believe me, whether or not you know it's BS. In the long run, nobody here even criticized you for your claims, only your attitude.

To explain this to you, try watching the second Underworld movie... you're sounding a lot like Markus, and there's a reason he died at the end. Just saying.

I second these very well put comments...

There are many, many more fraudulent than legitimate claims in this field, so don't mind if we test you. I'd add that anyone who takes occult claims at face value needs to learn the power of discrimination, at the very least to learn to deal with used car salesmen.

I once met a guru who insisted that his paranormal claims to power not be questioned by his "disciples." This was a man who could see into a person's previous lives, read thoughts, et cetera. When I met this person's disciples, I was struck by how completely obsequious they were to the "master," and how naive and child-like they were. One of the disciples told me how he was going to let the master use one of the rooms of his house to store his old stuff, which the disciple was excited by because it would allow the master's positive karma to seep into his life and would also allow the master to "drop by" his house whenever he wanted.

I'm not saying you want to exploit people like this, but these are the kind of people you're going to attract with that kind of attitude.

This post has been edited by monkman418: Aug 21 2010, 02:36 PM

You could try developing other psychic abilities, sort of like learning to run well will benefit any sports you play. You could also attempt telepathy across the Internet if you found a willing partner.

>>They deserve compassion

lol, they are cattle


there is a telepathic party all can attend, anytime, on the magician's card (any tarot deck as long as there is a table or flat surface somewhere in the card), on sunday nights at 6:30pm your time (whatever that is, bending time so that we are all there at once) - tattwa the table on the card, daydream, then go there and let the telepathic connection take over - go toward the fire/ voices - like a campfire with everyone sitting around - bring something to share - don't act up or you will be removed - find the host or hostess if any questions

enjoy,

es

This post has been edited by esoterica: Aug 24 2010, 09:32 AM

Um, can you explain what exactly you mean by this? I assume you mean that they=most people? And they are like cattle as in they live through what, habits? social norms? inherited evolutionary archetypes? You are being both vague and condescending at the same time. I am guessing you mean that you think people for the most part do not think for themselves and for that reason deserve being associated with a very negative reference.

I have a question for you. Do you know people? This might seem like a joke at first but I am being serious. I'm a fairly sociable person like most of us (have friends from church, college, work, family, online) and when I really get to know and understand someone you can see where everyone has gone through so much to get to where they are. Young or old I have never met one of these "cattle". They all are thinking, loving, alive and wonderfully human. That doesn't mean they aren't out there but I do not believe this condescending stereotype if appropriate even if it was right, which it is not, and in this case it appears no thought was put in it at all. "Lol, they are cattle" No thought was put into that, you just assumed an immediate disapproving concept that involved people as a whole being all around stupid and laughed about it.

So I do agree that there are people like "cattle" out there. I think they are the poorer, the uneducated. People that haven't had it as good as us, born in some third world country. Or maybe born into the ghetto of NYC, either way those people are like "cattle" at worst but look at where they are. Or maybe it's the successful manager at a restaurant who clings to her security of habit because she had problems as a kid, maybe it was the middle aged night shift security for your mall whose mom's boyfriend bashed him around every time he got drunk. Would you do better if you were anyone of them? I doubt it. I don't want to be misunderstood here, when I say 'would you do better' I mean you Esoterica, not the sacred-magick community in general. Some of them being naturally excellent thinkers might change, it does happen.

I had already expressed what I thought of your posting quality when I -repped you earlier. At least Godlyman wanted or pretended to want to help people. But no, they don't deserve compassion, they are cattle. "Lol" how funny.

This post has been edited by ☞Tomber☜: Aug 24 2010, 10:24 AM

people should help themselves, and those that don't or won't, or run away from being more than an animal, should be eaten (psi or sang), and that is what i meant by 'they are cattle', i.e, they are merely steppingstones and food for those who take the high road

the response was for whoever it was that asked about telepathy, that there is a telepathic party that occurs every sunday at 6:30 pm (your time, whatever time zone that is - we bend time to make it so that everybody is there at the same time)

i follow my own path, nobody else's - why should i post anything if i am going to be insulted and negative repped for being 'comdescending and vague' only because you do not understand?

taitneamh a bhaint as wallowing in an shalachar agus ó slaim, tá mo cheann i na scamaill

This post has been edited by esoterica: Aug 24 2010, 03:26 PM

got it. I was surprised because I was one of those people that think we should help each other when someone isn't as good as yourself.

Your path? It's your and much of the worlds so I don't know how much pride I would take in being individualistic there. Since you brought it up, I actually can't find any reason why you should post so no help there. I don't remember missing anything, it was actually a lack of information and clarity on your part. I -repped you before this (I think you didn't understand that either)

Hey I was right. I think you forgot to point that out

Feel free to keep it there

This post has been edited by ☞Tomber☜: Aug 24 2010, 05:07 PM

Tomber-- Very, VERY nicely argued. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

Given, I don't know what esoterica meant, or if she meant what she seemed to say. Sometimes it's hard to tell if she's joking. Nonetheless...

The "live and let die" mentality seems oddly legitimated in some occult circles. As far as I can tell, there's a "circle of life" thing about it that makes a great rationalization for screwing others. Usually this means screwing people in the immediate group, thus creating a CULT with leaders preaching the consumption of humanity and practicing it by preying upon their own followers. I've specifically seen Crowley's axiom "Do what thou wilt" used falsely by denizens of the slime in this way. Sure, they'll say that respect is earned-- just like you earn respect in any deviant gang.

Without getting too off topic...

There's a line in Liber AL that talks about preying on the weak, comparing humanity to a herd (as of cattle, or sheep), et cetera. These lines are very difficult to interpret, especially without reading ALL of the other class A literature (which most people don't do). Without spoiling it, I would liken a psychopathic "dog eat dog" interpretation of Crowley's feral language to the Koran's reference to Jihad that certain idiots interpret as meaning slamming planes into towers. Both are ignorant of the actual meaning of the text and interested in justifying their own socially deviant behaviors. In short, whoever sees muck is muck.

This post has been edited by monkman418: Aug 24 2010, 08:25 PM

That was even MORE condescending - look at it this way: you walk down a crowded street past hundreds of people. These are the "cattle." But look at it this way; every single one of them has their own story, their own life and their own path.

Your path is yours, but it doesn't lead you to a better place than anyone else's leads them, just a different one that is best for you. Nobody is just a stepping stone or a food source for you, and frankly that's a sick and horrible thing to think - for whatever reason. Just because they live differently from you (run away from being more than an animal, don't help themselves) doesn't make them less than you, which you seem to agree with based on the fact that you think your path deserves as much respect as tomber's. So you're saying you're a food source and a stepping stone which should be respected? I'm not following. You're getting negative repped because you're being egotistical and expecting everyone else to know exactly what you mean even when you don't say it.

Also, that was rude.

Držite glavu u oblacima, a ja ću samo nadam munja udari.

What now?

Thanks Monk! and Ethreal that last part was very funny (nothing personal esoterica). For anyone that is having trouble following: http://translate.google.com/#

This topic is supposed to be about telepathy. Why negative rep someone when they are trying to communicate using minimal words which you are supposed to understand using your head and mind not your eyes and mouth?



I think they are more like sheep as they all mostly go blindly in one direction without thought or reason.

On the whole most folk tend to dismiss telepathy as nothing but an overactive imagination.

I didn't negative rep her, Tomber did, I'm just pointing out that he had every right and reason. Additionally, nobody was telepathically contacting me when I read that, so that point doesn't stand at all.

I don't see why threads should be forced into a strict topic with no room to breath. I see where you are coming from on this but I think once you get to know people overall, they aren't usually the sheep minded folks you might be imagining. I don't know if I would say most people believe telepathy is imagination without data to support it but I do get what you are saying and might agree with you somewhat there. There are likely a good deal of people that brush it off as that

This post has been edited by ☞Tomber☜: Aug 26 2010, 05:56 PM

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/oops.gif) Sorry Ethereal Sight. There is so much noise connected with this topic that it is very difficult to separate the melody from the noise.

Telepathy can be intrusive and I am told a wise telepath very often prefers to tune out unless there is something important to be transmitted, and this works the other way as well. A telepath need not necessarily "contact" a specific individual, but be leaving a telepathic message available for all telepaths or those aspiring to learn. So your point doesn't stand at all either.

☞Tomber☜
There is no reason at all why threads should be forced into a strict topic. This thread just so happens to be concerning telepathy and I was rather surprised that there was such a negative to what appeared to be a genuine attempt at a telepathic or subliminal communication.

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This post has been edited by Alafair: Aug 27 2010, 01:23 PM