Hello. This Demon has been bothering me for some time now and I am thinking of summoning like Soloman did. I am inexperienced with this more complex magick but have been reading the goetia and Greater and Lesser keys.

My friend is a remote deposessor, he will not remove the demon or banish it though for reasons, and I do not wan't him too either. I have been successful fighting this creature so far, and it's trying or wanting to possess me it seems but really it just wants my sword. If I go and get my sword it will be there waiting for me. I can destroy it with the sword though.

So heres my question. I can actually destroy this thing, as if it never existed in the first place? I mean even when our physical bodies die we come back or incarnate or whatever. We don't actually die. What would be stopping this one from coming back likewise?

Well, logically I would have to say you can go ahead and destroy it for yourself. From my understanding, if you can show it that you have absolute power over it, it'll just kinda...leave you alone.

I could be totally wrong though, I'm not very well versed in the ways of the Lemegeton and all it's practices.

But! I can give my two cents in regards to maneuvers outside of the Lemegeton ways, such as invoking your own divine love as protection. Holy symbols, not necassarily ones of a Christian/Catholic nature, even a blessed pentacle, or some homemade holy water (the witch's way). A witch's bottle, sage and cedar, dragon trees, ginger incense, brimstone (not burned, but spread around your house and pinches of it on the corners of the house), etc...

So that's my speil. I wish you much luck in figuring this out.

Namaste

Greetings Oath!
Welcome to the Forum!
I would be interested to know just how and why the goetic entity Glasya-Labolas is 'bothering' you? And just what is this business about a sword? I have a fairly low threshold for gamers tweaking my whiskers. Unless you can provide some serious content to this thread, then consider this a warning! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/diablo.gif) -Mod Squad
(What the hell is a 'remote deposessor'?)
Thanks DHKitty, your protections sound effective!

This post has been edited by bym: Sep 22 2005, 10:19 PM

Thank you bym! *hugs*

Oath,

Not so long ago I found myself being "bothered" by a goetic. In my case it was Andromalius. I had very vivid and bizarre dreams over the course of about a week and a half. One morning I awoke with the name Andromalius in the fore front of my mind. Now, I have never worked with the goetia. I have however read the material. Once I knew the name, I found myself almost obsessed with the entity. I considered evoking the thing to try and figure out what the hell it wanted. After some careful thought I decided that it was probably a bad idea to do so as that may be exactly what it wanted. Instead I immediately started a regimen of banishing until I was certain that I would be bothered no more. It worked. I am still unsure of exactly how I attracted the thing, but at least it is gone.

As far as destroying the entity. Some people consider them parts of the psyche. I would consider it a very drastic and dangerous action to destroy something without fully understanding what you are destroying.

Like I said, I have never worked with the goetic spirits, with the exception of making one leave. Someone more experienced may have a better suggestion. But his is just my two cents.

Good luck! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

What, does everyone think the Goetia entities have nothing better to do then go around possessing humans? I somehow doubt it. Also, why would they choose some random inexperienced magician?

If a Goetia being is bothering you, that is probably a good thing, means that they are one that you can work with and gain teachings from. Keep in mind to do this AFTER you gain some experience with magic in general (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Also keep in mind that these botherings by "Goetia entities" could be either overactive imagination, another being masquarading as the Goetia entity, or actually that entity themselves. When one is new to magic it is hard to tell the diff.

If you really want to get rid of them, just place salt or salt water around your room or house while stating your intent that they be gone, repeat once every week or 2. I have yet to have this not work for someone.

Athena

Interesting about the dreams.

Two days ago I had a dream that I was doing an evocation(which I have not done yet), and while I was asleep my cat clawed the hell out of my foot. I woke up screaming in agony. I was a bit paranoid that it might be goetic related, but I can't just assume that is the case since I have been obsessed lately with learning as much as I can about the subject . It may all just be the purging of my subcon mind and a playful kitten.

Who knows, but it did frighten me terribly for a moment!

And I have a low tolerance for people making assumption about what I am/have done and calling me a liar.

Some (possibly all ppl) get swords as a sort of reward for something like karma or something like that. I think it has a lot to do with past lives and your current life as well. How you treat people, think, how much good you do, etc...

A remote deposessor im assuming is someone who deposesses from a far distance?! as in negs and other nasty things taking over your body. Deals mostly in demons though from what I understand.

Not a very nice welcome in my opinion by some..

I am assuming it is bothering me for the sword as in it wants more power. (I am guessing its one of the more powerful swords, becuz two times now I've had a vision where someone else with a sword-a friend actually- attacks me and my sword breaks his)

Ok thnx everyone but I dont think I would like any more replies really from what I have seen so far. I think Ill just read the articles from now on if thats ok with the moderators and such and not post anymore....

So this is an imaginary sword?

In my study of Buddhism I have not come across any references to swords in relation to karma. Can you provide any links or references? Or is this just something someone told you?

http://www.astraldynamics.com/search.asp?S...ReferenceID=390

This is the only one I know of, I have had visions of this sword though. Very intense and powerful visions. I'm thinking the sword is in the astral, and was wondering if it would be possible to bring it into the physical, at will. Very difficult, but this is one of my goals, then again many ppl keep talking about this 2012 thing and how the veil or barrier is collapsing (serparates the astral and physical.)

Greetings Oath!
I never called you a liar. I am suggesting that your post was something quite a few gamers pull when they wish to impress someone of their exploits.
You still haven't bothered to give any details as to how...and why...the goetic entity was 'bothering you'.
It has been my experience that the goetic entities do not go out of their way to deal with humans unless either provoked or are summoned. Period. That such an entity would be trying to obtain your sword is tenuous. As part of a constructive post, IMHO, one would say 'I have a sword with an unusual history and it seems to be the object of this goetic entities attention.' Do you see the difference?



If you have the sword and you know you can win the fight and destroy the goetic, what are you waiting for? Or is the sword not in your possession and the spirit is blocking you from achieving your sword? The goetic spirit has not possessed you (else this would all be moot) and yet you continue to allow this behavior. ??? Why doesn't your friend not help you with this entity if they are capable? Frankly...I've never even heard of a 'remote deposesser' before. I can kind of piece together the idea myself though...but, again, what does this have to do with your situation?

We here on Forum as Moderators have to field a large number of posts. We get scammers and wannabes by the dozen. If you could reverse the roles here you may begin to understand my response. In order for any member to help you, you must provide a better foundation of facts/occurences. How else can we even begin to help?

You will not be able to destroy the goetic. You are able to banish them or, in some cases, cause them torment. Your ideas of life after death and reincarnation are not universally held. I believe in them but many here do not.

Again, now that others have proferred help and suggestions and you've heard the side of the grouchy old man, will you fill us in on the details? Your welcome was genuine, now please convince me that what you say is also genuine. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wizard.gif)

Greetings!

Some posting has occured whilst I was composing a response...
I took time to read Robert Bruces article on his sword. You must admit that if you had originally posted his link then the response given initially might have been less tense.
I have heard of a number of astral 'police' like Orders that are in existance. The Aurum Solis order has told of them as well as Dion Fortune (that's d-i-o-n, not with an e as Mr. Bruce says)... her name was Violet Firth. Members of these Orders maintain a strict vigilance and don't engage in competition with one another. The Sword in question is likened after the sword one makes to use in command of demonic entities. I'm fairly certain that these Swords cannot be used by anyone other than the person they are intended for as their spiritual vibration doesn't mesh with demonics. These Swords are not bestowed upon just anybody. (IMHO!) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/7.gif)

What about soulmates? Does it say anything, anywhere, about them being a sort of reward? I also have a soulmate im (or twin flame if you prefer) searching for. And I do know where she lives and many other things from dreams and just good intuition.

Edit: I have a friend who happens to be buddhist and I talk to him quite often. He has seen the women through meditation, the sword though I am unsure of. I will ask him how he thinks this relates in buddhism and what he thinks it is.

This post has been edited by Oath: Sep 23 2005, 07:04 PM

Ah, if you had said it was an astral (imaginary) sword I would never have even bothered to get involved in this thread. Also the concept of soulmates does not apply for me, as a buddhist I do not accept the existance of any such thing as a soul.

About three months ago I was browsing the astral pulse forums (as I always do, for fun, I am not a member) reading the articles and what not, when I came across an interesting post about gatekeepers. I was interested in the gatekeepers because when I was very young (maybe 3 or 4) they did something to me and I did not know what. I contacted the person who seemed to know the most about the gatekeepers, from what I was reading. We talked, Jay was nice and helpful and everything. (He helps a lot of people, I try to do the same, but I have many limits with my ablilities, there is no shortage of people needing help though, and I am good with energy, among other things.) So we keep in contact, and talk every now and then when he has time, I can tell he knows something about me or is keeping something from me, but he won't tell me. And it probably would be better to find out whatever it is on my own anyway (im guessing it relates to who/what I am.), so I blow it off. Then there is someone else I know. A sort of friend, or someone who I thought was a 'friend' if i could ever even call it that. I'm not sure the exact details, but I think it's something like he was ...well...demonically inspired (IMG:style_emoticons/default/7.gif)
Anyway, this is unbeknowst to me at the time, but I'm starting to realize. Then all of a sudden Jay comes back from a trip and tells me he's had a talk with the demon (he sort of told me there was a demon presence around me, which I thought was probably correct or something similar, based on what I had been experiencing the last few months) and that this demon is like incahootz (did I spell that right?!) with the 'friend' who is demonically inspired. So I go back, really test him etc.. And he freaks out starts spewing lies like crazy, then says something I will not mention etc.. It freaks me out, really depresses me etc... I go home, ready to astral project, thinking that I could go look for a fight and hopefully some being will kill me (Gosh was I silly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif)). Well, it never happend. I eventually realized what was going on, threw off most of the negative vibes energy, coming from the demon or wherever and here I am, but after having things like negs in my throat, bat crawly things in the astral swarming me (first time I used astral fire (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ), and 8 foot tall man casting a spell on me while I was sleeping, breaking a 'holy object', having my face change and distort in the mirror and on camera in from of a friend (I have the conversation saved as a matter of fact if you want it bym, for you only though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif)) oh and last (that comes to memory) but not least, going to Patmos and fighting a giant snake thing that seemed very similar to the man that cast a spell on me (when It was over, I thought for sure, beyond doubt, that guy was satan;lucifer;the devil;etc..I think you get the point)

So here I am, been doing spirituality for the last month. Last time I checked the demon was attached to a destructive part of my psyche only, thinking about getting the sword, but I have already been informed that the demon will be there waiting for me when I get it. Ya im not sure how he thinks he will take it from me either, but he cannot be that stupid right? I'm almost positive something unexpected will come into play. So why not summon him? I mean, im going to kill him, eventually Im gonna want to write my experiences down (I have periods ive been going through where I will have at least one major or shocking experience EVERY DAY) and why should that knowledge and history be lost? Also why should I pass up the oppertunity to get inside a demons head and learn how it thinks for future references? I mean, if I kill this one more might come, and I do want to help others grow (I need help too! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/harhar1.gif) ) and each legion is like 666 demons or lessers right? I have not done anything to mess with this thing, I have thought of one thing though, maybe in a past life, I heard these type of things can follow you around like that. ok well I probably left out a bunch of stuff and everything but I'm at work right now and I really have to go. I'll check this out later and edit if I wanna add anything.

How can you function properly in magick without knowing of the astral and its affects on the physical dimension.

I don't try and 'function properly in magick' as I have left that paradigm behind. I know of the concepts regarding astral influence in our 'reality', I just happen to think its complete bs. Magick can be a useful tool but threads like this really don't interest me that much as it all revolves around "a mates demon told me..." which is only really of use to the person involved and not open to debate.

You say you have an astral sword.
You say that you get information from demons.

What is to discuss. I cannot verify any of the above. There is no shared experience.

Hmmm, I think I will try scrying some past lives before I attempt anything further with this demon, I am also going to attempt to astral project when I get home, so many I can search out an angel or something and get some answers that way...

Oath,
I'm not sure if its at all helpful, but the Goetian you've been 'bothered by' belongs under Michael and Goap, and as such will fallow orders under there names. Though I can't imagine why you would want to destroy one, but to answer your question, I don't see how it could even be remotely possible, as energy cannot be created nor destroyed. Even if you could, I don't imagine those over Glasya would appreciate you taking one of there own and destroying it, as I'm sure they can find a much better use for him.
As for the sword, its a symbol to mankind for millenium of many diffrent things, not the least of which are power and protection.
I believe it was in Angel Magick by Chauccer (think I misspelled the name to) who spoke of an invocation done by the Ordo Templi Astartes in which it was noted that becuase the spirits have no physical body, the chance to experience the world through our senses seems quite appealing, not to say this is why your being bothered, I have no Idea, for all I know you could have just pissed someone off who has the ability to send such a spirit after you.
As far as Bym , keep in mind he has some 40 years experience. I've been practicing since I was 6 and am 25 now, and I trust his opinion above all thus far here. While he may have come off agressive, he has endless amounts of experience to draw from, of which I'm still at least 21 years behind! As far as asking other spirits for advice on the matter, that is not unheard of, but not the safest thing either, you have to learn to diffrentiate your voice from theres, to silence feeling and emotion, not something we tend to do naturally, so if you can find a breathing human with the knowledge, I would suggest it first most definately. Well this post got alot longer than I had initially intended, so I will end with wishing you luck on your endevours.....
†Christopher Raven† (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mf_popeanim.gif)

Yes, actually, that is very helpful.

Michael and Goep. As in arch angel michael? can you give me a little more information? It is pretty important and would really really appreciate it.

Your asking about one in particular I've worked with since I started Angel Magic at 13, so I humbly request, not out of right, but concern that you only use him if you NEED him, not want, he doens't like want, it better be need, and your intention should be purer than you've ever had them. Understand that Angels, like most spirits generally don't even like us, so there can't be any holes. What I mean by that is if your intention are truly honorable, your will focused, and what you demand of him is his place to handle, than in my experience he will not fail...
Okay, that was the disclaimer...
Yes, the archangel and only Angel canonized a saint by the Catholic Church. If you call him to destroy Glasya, your wasting yours and his time. He won't destroy his own ranks and especially not over the problems caused to a human. If you call him, do it for the sole purpose of having him order Glasya banished to his home and to harm none on the way, you want to leave any banished spirit with as few options as possible. Goap...thats diffrent....honestly, while Goap is said to compliment Micheal, I'm still just learning of him, though I know as far as the Goetian are concerned 18 are under his command, and its my understanding he answers to Michael.
You'll be able to find much about him with the least amount of research, but know he's serious, and if you can handle it yourself, best do it. And dont' ever take anyones word for anything, if you can always research it yourself. I would suggest you use Goap over Michael, but again my personal knowledge of Goap is non existance, my knowledge of Michael comes from years of work with him, whom I've shown more respect and honour to than any other spirit, more than should probably be given to any spirit. But thats neither here nor there.
I realize now speaking of him I hold him in higher regard than any other, but then through some time he has been my saving grace, and guides me in my penance. Do not abuse his grace please. I don't know you, I question myself telling you, but what you require, if true, is in his office and he never turns away from his obligations. And as such its not my place to hold him from them in any manner. That is really the only reason I tell you this.
I can only hope in this Ive not angered those who watch over us...(the moderators, not the spirits). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mf_popeanim.gif)
Okay, that was me, best of luck, and try not to do anything stupid... (ie, generally don't fallow my advice unless you've run out of every other possible option, as I only claim responsiblity for myself, and theres others with more experience to show you a clear path, I'll send you through the deep of the woods...yes the clear path is much much better....)
†Christopher Raven†
P.S.~ I don't think I've ever included that many disclaimers in one message to anyone ever...that should tell you something...(you don't go to the part of the frozen lake with the 'thin ice' sign unless your stupid...)

thnx

The Thirty-third Spirit is Gaap, Goap, or Tap. He is A Great President and a Mighty Prince. He appeareth when the Sun is in some of the Southern Signs, in a Human Shape, going before Four Great and Mighty Kings, as if were a Guide to conduct them along on their way. His Office is to make men Insensible or Ignorant; as also in Philosophy to make them Knowing, and in all the Liberal Sciences. He can cause Love or Hatred, also he can teach thee to consecrate those things that belong to the Dominion of AMAYMON his King. He can deliver Familiars out of the Custody of other Magicians, and answereth truly and perfectly of things Past, Present, and to Come. He can carry and re-carry men very speedily from one Kingdom to another, at the Will and Pleasure of the Exorcist. He ruleth over 66 Legions of Spirits, and he was of the Order of Potentates. His Seal is this to be made and to be worn as aforesaid, etc.

Either there is some sort of web of lies and I will eventually have to untagle it and/or there is some sort of conspiracy going on between all forces. The ones I possibly see involved are Arch Angel Michael (sorry poetic raven, and sorry michael if im wrong), Sammus, Glasya-labolas? (or just a pawn?), Phenex, Soloman(???), and possibly this character. Is it normal for the demons to have close ties with each other or do they usually work alone and more of a competition between each other for power and dominance?

edit: I would be happy to have others think this is just as crazy as i do, but others do not know what I know. I seem to be caught in the middle of it. Somewhat pointing to trying to subdue me....as in, make me a pawn?@!

This post has been edited by Oath: Sep 30 2005, 02:13 AM

The book discription of Goap I've read, and I have his sigil, but again I've never worked with him personally so I'm hesitant still to take a position on his use. As for Michael, it would seem to me he has made a great number of enemies, though his power makes him allies as well. Like all angels, if your asking me, there purpose is the message, not us, although I have to remember that Dee and Kelly were made pawns of by the angels to transcribe sacred knowledge, so in the instance that you really are being made a pawn, most presedence I've read would take the position that your merely a tool to be used for there purpose, which is most often knowledge. But in the case of Dee and Kelly, Kelly was the medium and Dee the interperter, they were two parts of a whole, and were never given permission to make practice of that which they transcribed...
My advice to you at this point is, stop trying to overanalyze, and Banish. Banish every room and inch of your house, as well as every cell in your body. Then do it again, and again, and again until that little voice inside of you starts feeling calm again and without fear...and when in doubt, banish again, use salt, lemon, holy water, whatever, but whatever you use, use alot of it and do it until you feel confertable, becuase in your confused state of mind, if you continue it could lead to bad bad things. Not that I'm responsible for you, but if your asking me, in my most humble opinion, that is what I suggest at this point. Confusion is no state of mind to practice anything. You wouldn't play with high voltage electronics if you were so confused you couldn't tell a wire from a circuit, you might get electrocuted, its kind of the same thing here.
†Christopher Raven†

What I like about pawns is that if they get to the other side of the board are able to morph into a "power piece".

Greetings!
Perhaps it is time to take a break, Oath. A healthy dose of mundania sounds in order, IMHO! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) No offense intended. Sometimes it is necessary to gain clarity by removing oneself from the 'unseen'. You'll know when it is time to act. Peace. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/00000002.gif)

At this point I'm definately inclined to agree with Master Bym Oath...(not that I can recall disagreeing with him), but normally it is suggested that one grounds themselves after each session, try going out... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happydance.gif)
†Chris†

Bym you always have the best advice (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Yknow Oath you should listen to this dude, he has a LOT of experience!
Conspiracy theories and Goetic entities? There is some dude named Aaron that has a remote viewing site that you would probably love.

Athena

Yep, I am relaxing quite a bit from the topic and more working on other things. It is still something close to the top of the 'list' though.

I saw Aarons website, not my tastes


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/thankyou.gif) for your concerns and useful advice everyone

Well looks like Glasya Lobalis is busy this month, he came to pester me as well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Well OK not pester that much, more like I got the impression of him a few times and his name kept running through my head. So I finally opened the damn Goetia drew out his seal and got ahold of him. Seems that it was just in time to have him help me with a major undertaking (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Quite good timing there, and I will be setting a candle for him as a thank you! I will probably work with him more in the future since things went so well this time. I have found that GL feels somewhat different then many of the other GOetia entities I have worked with. It took a bit longer for me to comprehend GL then most. He is also a little less congenial then some, but that is not a bad thing. I don't recommend working with him for beginners though.

So from my experience, I figure if you kept being bothered by GL, it is that he might have just been offering to help you on a project.

Yeah Aaron's site isn't for me either LOL.

Athena