Mental Illness Options

I'm beginning to wonder about different mental illnesses.

Night before last I had to look after a friend of mine who hasn't had her schizophrenia medication in over a week because she has nobody to pay for it anymore (moving out of parent's place complications)... and basically, I managed to remove her voices four times (each time they came back a bit angrier than the last, which has got me a little worried), make her forget that she even experienced voices three times (although it was creepy afterwards having the EXACT same conversation three times over, which always wound up with me reminding her about the voices) and banish her most feared apparition once.

Just from that it experience it seemed more like they were... not "medical" in origin. Any thoughts?

I would caution against this form of 'help'. It may well be that as a short term measure you are able to effect some relief, but I am concerned that you will then make the leap of logic to thinking you can 'cure' this person on the long term.

I am not saying that medication on its own is the right course of therapy. For some people medication may not be needed at all. It seems that for depression there is such a long wait for referrals to mental health professionals that general practitioners often give out medication as the first rather than the last resort.

I have never sought medical help for my depression. I am fortunate in that I have learned to control the illness myself (sometimes with less success that I would hope). IIRC it was in one of the books by Peter Carroll (Liber Kaos) where he describes helping a mentally ill neighbour, but I would caution against taking anything he writes too seriously as it seems to me his ego is the size of a mountain.

This is a very tricky subject. Reality is very subjective. I am currently reading 'Prometheus Rising' by R.A.W and this whole book is about reprogramming our reality tunnel. It seems to some down to the level to which your reality tunnel allows you to function in society. Mental illness sometimes manifests a reality tunnel that causes one to no longer function (total withdrawal, violence, peralized by fear etc).

Hmm... well I'm certainly not in any way believing that I can have a permanent effect on her condition. I have enough trouble with all the wanderering beings who come trying to find me to prove that I'm only good at short-term control. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Yes, I know what you mean with depression - they did similar things to me for it, but I eventually managed to overcome it on my own.
I was more wondering about the psychotic end of the spectrum rather than neuroses.

A few things I should have noted about my friend:

Firstly, it turned out that she was VERY sensitive to energy movements. She could sense the ki I was pumping through her (after the third attack of the voices, she asked me why she felt like she'd been shot - "Not like something painful entering my head... but-" "Like something passing through your skull, and out the other side and onwards to infinity?" "Mhmm"). To my mind, given her past and her mental state, I'd say that leaves her as very open to any invading presence, but without any defenses.

Secondly, the specific... persuasion technique I had to use on her voices was interesting. Simple projected commands like "let her go", "leave her be" and so on had little effect. The one that made them disappear faster than a possum up a tree was "If you don't leave, I'll resort to calling up Raphael". That one almost always worked, and the one time it didn't, a mere mention of Michael sent them packing.

The voices , as I.ve been told by someone I met a while ago tend to respond to making a deal with them . So Zahaqiel , in treating them thru the pursuation technique you mentioned thru calling up Raphael and Michael leads me to think that you are on the right track , however more importantly I strongly suggest that your friend get back on the meds ASAP , before her condition deteriorates any further . I understand that money is a problem for her at the moment , but Im sure that she can get assistance thru the government , if she is suffering so badly.

My own understanding of schizophrenia and the intense fear associated with the illness is possibly due to more than just a chemical imbalance in the brain , as it normally comes with depression as well , not to get myself confused , I think that their is always the possibility of her having a very negative entity attached to her aura thats causing the fear and inability to deal with the voices . You being their for her is offering her a lot of comfort that she would otherwise miss out on , keep up the good work and if you can ask her when and how it started , this will clue you on as to how to deal with removing the entity. You need to be strong here and have a lot of faith by sending it away .

Just finally another good technique that tends to help everyone is , "let him who is without sin , cast the 1st stone" , This will help your friend because of the general nature of these voices , as they are pointless , and abusive . I wish you and your friend the best of luck.

This post has been edited by Starlit Knight: Nov 6 2005, 05:41 PM

Argh... ok, I met up with my friend (Kitten) yesterday, and she and I have only just parted about 2 hours ago (so we spent literally, the afternoon, night, morning, afternoon and evening together).

This is the rundown of what I've discovered:

1) Her voices DO have objective form.
The one I banished before, along with another one of her tormentors now reside within myself with my Beast (and it feels like I have a coil of poison within me that I could spit at people if need be... but I REALLY don't want to put that to the test). That other one (who seems to be the spirit of a murderess she once knew) also only left Kitten on the condition that she had control of ALL my dreams - and even that deal took a hell of a lot of work.
Similarly, I physically found her one good spirit that got left for dead by the murderess during the longwinded process of last night's exorcism, so I could return it to Kitten. I could sense its presence (and I thanked God over and over and over that it was that simple).

2) She has little, to no barriers against spirits.
After the exorcism process she eventually wound up staying at my house... in my room... which I believe I've previously stated has astral static like nothing else (I really should have remembered before I brought her there, but anyway). She got "visited" by several different beings... in order, a "mind virus" (whom I REALLY need to keep track of since it's dangerous as all hell - ask me about it later), an Imp, two... knowledge seeking spirits (who now reside in myself as well), a part of The Darkness (I dunno if you've experienced this one - but it's sort of like the spirit of night?.. but that one ALSO resides in myself), a violent spirit who "has to make people fear it so that way it doesn't have to fear", and my Beast itself.

Effectively, she's an old-style medium. She sees spirits, and spirits can enter her to talk to her, influence her, or talk through her.

As to the medication, she's getting all the assistance she's able to, but there's nothing that can really be done about paying for it. The government here is shocking in that respect - yeah, register for medicare and it'll pay for most of it, but it's still outside her price range (she's barely able to cover her rent)... and I don't think she can afford to see a psychiatrist to keep getting prescribed it anyway.

Anywho, currently Kitten has three spirits in her - Charlie (her one good spirit I mentioned before), Impsh (the Imp) and a third one I don't know, and am working on learning more about. I'm somewhat worse off, since I have 5 different spirits in me, not including the Beast, 2 of which are blatantly evil and 3 of which cannot be classified as "good" or "bad".

Also something interesting to note - all of the spirits from my room referred to me as "Zahaqiel" and not "Alex"... which is interesting because it's how I refer to myself mentally. One even went so far as to say I was lying when I said my name was Alex.

Are you really helping the situation?

What the Thinker thinks, the Prover proves.

One could look at these posts and see her mental illness as being used as proof for your belief in spirits. Maybe you need to step back away from this before the situation goes from bad to worse.

Zahagiel , I'm sorry that you are worse off than when you started .

The entities that have left Kitten are to be sent away , why are you holding on to them?? I have spoken to a master Reiki practitioner who removes these ugly things from peoples auras , but they are channelled thru him and out away to a better place . Kindly remind them that they are no longer needed here , whether it be yourself or kitten .

The angry spirit you mentioned is of particular interest to me , as it probably was there to help your friend thru anger and not sorrow nor fear . If you have removed these spirits from your friend , she should look and feel a lot different .

Mentally create a white light (as a portal of sorts) and tell or ask that their help is no longer required , thank them and bid them farewell by going to the light as they would be happier there.

In regards to your friend Kitten , she needs to be protected from further attacks , I'm sure that you are familiar with ways of strengthening her aura. It makes me wonder , how these spirits got a hold of her in the first place , one possible explanation is drugs that deteriorated her natural defences . Just a shot in the dark. Anything that can help to improve her health will be of a great asset to her .

I am surprised that their were so many nasties in her aura , their is no point in getting to know them , just send them away , thats the best you can do for your friend and yourself.

I personally had a angry protective sprit on my as well , it was only discovered thru a hypnotherapy session , I had no need for it as it was sabotaging my life . Although its been removed , I had to make an good deal of effort to controll my anger , that took a lot of harsh lessons and a lot of time .

Sometimes I still get scared , what worked for me is to just lie still and experience the fear , relax and let it go thru , I did feel a lot better afterwards.

Please keep me informed as to how your friend is doing , Im just curious . By the way , she needs to find a means to get back on her medication. That will help to calm things down and stop the whole thing from being overwhelming , hobbies are a good way to get her mind away from her problems.

One could look at these posts and see her mental illness as being used as proof for your belief in spirits. Maybe you need to step back away from this before the situation goes from bad to worse.

This is perhaps true... perhaps not. The fact that she, without knowing it existed, was able to channel my Beast, which then told her things about me that I had not mentioned anywhere near her though tends to suggest otherwise. The fact that the spirits around my room all referred to me as Zahaqiel - a name she doesn't know - also suggests otherwise.

Zahagiel , I'm sorry that you are worse off than when you started .

That's actually a bad assessment. The vile ones are ok so long as they stay still. The other three seem to have benefits.

The entities that have left Kitten are to be sent away , why are you holding on to them??

A few reasons.
The murderess is one who moves from person to person, slowly screwing them over and then killing them. She killed two people Kitten knew when they were alive, and from what Karra (the spirit) said during her removal process, she is perfectly willing to target more girls to cause more pain. She tried to enter a friend of mine who was present at the exorcism, and she also threatened to attack my ex-girlfriend. And finally, there's the way I got her out of Kitten - I promised her my dreams. If I go back on that promise...
The other tormentor Kitten had will probably return to Kitten if I let it go.

The other three I don't mind so much, and will probably even find useful. However, those two are probably being absorbed into my Beast anyway. Oh,and they know they're not "needed", but their motivations aren't based on the living's needs.

The angry spirit you mentioned is of particular interest to me , as it probably was there to help your friend thru anger and not sorrow nor fear .

Possibly, I don't know. By the sounds of it, it was more of an independent spirit who lost most of itself and was only left with its fear and need to cause fear. It certainly wasn't interested in helping anyone.

If you have removed these spirits from your friend , she should look and feel a lot different .

Yes! She certainly does. She's much happier, and much better off.

In regards to your friend Kitten , she needs to be protected from further attacks , I'm sure that you are familiar with ways of strengthening her aura. It makes me wonder , how these spirits got a hold of her in the first place , one possible explanation is drugs that deteriorated her natural defences . Just a shot in the dark. Anything that can help to improve her health will be of a great asset to her .

That I may need help with. I can strengthen her aura - but it strengthens EVERYTHING in her. It also doesn't ward her from anything. Think of it as an unguided energy injection.
And by the sounds of it, she was already being plagued by them before the meds. I'm thinking the meds managed to dull her to their attacks, and now she's off them she's more susceptible - so close to what you're thinking.

I am surprised that their were so many nasties in her aura , their is no point in getting to know them , just send them away , thats the best you can do for your friend and yourself.

Yes and no... She only had two nasties, the rest were ambients from my room - which I find to be surprisingly little since she's a multiple rape victim.
However, I'm not capable of banishing anything permanently on my own. I can only do temporary shoves, if you will. Something more permanent would require aid, or cooperation. Aid I couldn't get - nobody to call on - and cooperation requires getting to know what I'm dealing with.

Please keep me informed as to how your friend is doing , Im just curious .

Will do - it's certainly very interesting, I'm learning a hell of a lot from it.

By the way , she needs to find a means to get back on her medication. That will help to calm things down and stop the whole thing from being overwhelming , hobbies are a good way to get her mind away from her problems.

I'm more than aware about the medication. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) As to hobbies - that's a damn good suggestion, thank you.

Great care is needed when treating mental illness with magic or without magic for that matter. Even people who are great physical healers may find it impossible to heal conditions of the mentality and emotions. That kind of healing is very much a gift unto itself. If you haven't felt that gift yet, then there's virtually no chance that you'll get it. As a friend all you can really do is offer love, support and a kind ear, which seems to be what you've been doing.

I'm hesitant to offer advice to people I've never met but... I'm not sure if it's medically proven (it may be, and it would be interesting to see this done if it hasn't) but learning meditation and doing it on a daily basis is helpful to many mentally ill people. A good meditation is the well known practices of Bardon, it takes from 25-30 minutes per session. Sit down in a chair (preferably straight backed), eyes closed or open. Start with ten minutes of thinking about just one thing. Spend the next ten minutes thinking of nothing. Use the final 5 to 10 minutes attempting to listen to what you're really thinking. Don't be tense and make sure to breathe into the stomach, definitely not shallow chest breathing. Do this once a day or twice.

Of course this all depends on the mentally ill person, and that's really the crux of it, outside of encountering a powerfully benevolent force the only person that can really help her is herself.

I will tell you that I know of a great way of protecting those who are very sensitve from the chaotic world that we now inhabit. It will cost money, somewhere in 10-40 dollar range but it's rather simple. If it interests you go ahead and PM sometime and I'll get back to you.

i have social anxiety disorder aka SAD , funny thing it's intials are SAD, because you really become sad

I've been reading this post and it brings back some memories of my past, well my ex-wife and my divorce a few years back. My ex had what is called Bi-Polar or Manic/Depressive disorder and was on several different medications. I am a natural sensitive and could always "feel" when things were going to get weird. I could always tell when a depressive or manic state was coming, sometimes these states would last for months at a time. I used a calendar to track the months of depressive/manic or normal states. Anyway things didn't work out and we got a divorce.

It wasn't until after the divorce that I came across a book, I think it was called "The life of an exorcist". It was about a priest that was trying to discern the difference between mental illness and possession. I began studying mental illness, demonic possession and exorcism. I was convinced that these were one and the same. There were some tests that the priest did to check if it was truly a possession. I remember the author telling the story of "blessing" the victims clothing in a dresser, the victim would not wear the clothes or have anything to do with the dresser. Also blessing food/drink, again the victim would either not eat or vomit the food soon after eating it. I remember that some time it would take months or even years of weekly excersisms to "cure" some patients. This is not a fast process he told, the demon/spirit may hide and deceive the exorcist to make it look like the victim is cured. Some times the victims would feel better and choose not to continue the excersisms, only to have symptoms get worse a few weeks/months later. It was an interesting book and I wish I could remember more about it. The priest always had tests he would use to confirm a possession. Don't get me wrong, I think in this "modern" age, it's a lot easier to go get some med's that to find a good exorcist. Doctors now days get paid big money to write prescriptions, thats what keeps the drug companies in business. I think its easier to go to your corner drug store than to your corner excorcist.

I will also note here that my ex was sexually abused as a child and I think this or other trauma weakens the aura and leaves one "open" to spirits and/or nasties. I'm no doctor but after my divorce I felt so much better, it was like a huge weight lifted off me. As a said I've been studying magick and psychic development for years, I'm also a natural sensitive, I have a strong aura and have practiced CM for awhile now and am versed in banishings/excersism. After three years of a failing marriage, I gave up and we went our ways, it wasn't until after the divorce that I put the mental illness/possession thing together. Maybe I'm just rambling, but I hope this helps your fight. I remember in the last months before the divorce it did get the most success and calming of the both of us by invoking angles. I remember studing the angelic order and invoking only the highest beings to give us both some peace. I remember my wife asking me why I was studing the angelic order and that I would not have success in my studies. Anyway you can't help people that don't want your help. Hopfully your friend is a freewilling person of your "services".

Kind Regards

This post has been edited by benrachor: Sep 7 2006, 06:10 AM