*BRP banishing dagger., (used to be: elemental banishing dagger) Options

Hello.

I have just a small and quick question, when choosing an elemental banishing dagger, which qualities should it have? (I guess any will do and that you don't really need cool symbols on it, but it should help atleast right? (with the focusing on what matters part...))

Anyways, this is the dagger i currently posses and have been working with for a long while: (IMG:http://static.zoovy.com/img/888knivesrus/W150-H150-Bffffff/uc1229_s1.jpg)

now, i feel that it doesnt do what i intend at all times, i was thinking that the energies may curve because its not a straight dagger, i'm pondering getting a new one that is more straight, any thoughts?

(2005-12-14 - edited the topic title /animus)

This post has been edited by animus: Dec 14 2005, 07:16 AM

Just a quick note...
I made all of my tools...this isn't practical for everybody but...the air dagger should be properly consecrated etc. The original stats look for a twosided straight blade. You needn't do this but you do need to perform the proper consecrations required. Just calling it an air dagger won't do. If you are experiencing doubt as to its effectiveness, then you need to reaccess its situation. There must be no question in your mind whatsoever! Good Luck!
I must fly! Gone for awhile!

What do you mean 'reaccess its situation' ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Re examine your work with the dagger. In which way has it performed other than what it was intended to do? We can become bogged down in the ideas of others. This can color our perceptions in how we deal with things, etc.
Knives/daggers/athames are tools. Let us not lose sight of this. Knives are sharp. They cut things. In magic, the knife is used to cut things as it does in its other functions around the house or in battle. In magic the use of the blade trancends its normal functions. Depending upon its added functions determines whether it is used as one of the elemental weapons or as a scribe or...etc. YOU are the wielder of this tool. If you think that the tool is not performing to your specifications then you must ascertain just what it is doing and just what the deviations mean. Quite often the problem lies not in the tool but with the wielder of said item. Do you follow? If you feel that the blade is flawed then it will act up! So, again, what is it doing to vary from its job description?
Back to having the ideas of knives by others color your thinking... Stop. Don't fret. Has the function/results of the blade wandered away from its original duty? Is this caused by your views or by the physical part of the knife? It might do well to understand that many different cultures used tools with their use of magic. Not all cultures used straight knives. Personally, IMHO, the Air knife, I believe, evolved from the business end of an arrow or spear head. LOL! Hence it is associated with AIR. The Sword is associated with FIRE by it being forged and with WAR hence it constrains/intimidated recalcitrant entities. The wand/staff can be associated with FIRE as it is likened to a torch! (In some systems these are interchanged with the other but that will only add to the confusion!)
The Consecration of the tool is what fixes the purpose of the tool in the mind of the user as well as the astral foundations. The very act of Consecration is a Magical Act or Formulae! This is an essential facet for the tool. With out it the knife belongs in the kitchen, woodshed, etc. ONLY. But a Consecrated knife has expanded Uses and is effective on the Astral plane (or more). There is much info out there and in many primers regarding the making/use of the tools of the Arte. Read up! Besides, I'm rambling now and closer to confusion than to the original question...which I hope I've helped with... Let me know if I may add something. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wizard.gif)

Thank you, i will have to delve upon this matter in my own mind for a while before taking a stand but you sure removed the fog around my house. Thank you.

Also, i've never consecrated a tool (since this is the only one i have) and as i understand it you don't consecrate an elemental banishing dagger (other than using it to banish until it may become consecrated by those acts?), but rather other tools from here on?

However, i will not you do (all ;D) my legwork, i'll go read up.

Thank you again (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ac42.gif)

I think we are confusing whether we are discussing the elemental weapon for air(a dagger) or the steel dagger to be used for the LBRP. I am going to assume your are speaking of the steel dagger used for the LBRP but I think my comments will be appicable to either one.

It is confusing because you use the term elemental dagger where usually the dagger for the LBRP is simply referred to as the LBRP dagger or some other term since it doesn't actually command an element per say.


There are some great reasons for making your own weapons. You learn useful skills. I have a simple piece of flat steel, ground and sharpened.

So you have expanded your areas of knowledge outside of the magickal realm and within it.

Second and most important, you have created something that since it's inception is associated in your mind to be used SOLELY for magickal work.

You don't need to overcome any other associations (used for fish cleaning, armed robbery, etc.) because you have literally pounded your Physical, Intellectual, and Spiritual Will into the object.

This is the major reason I keep my weapons from the public. If you bring them out to show your friends they become associated in your own mind as knick knacks and toys.

So you might think of making, or finding a dagger that from it's inception is solely for magickal purposes. You can consecrate it in the same manner as any other weapon or talisman. (Even simply stating outloud "This dagger is duly consecrated to the Great Work.")

As a side note you may consider making or acquiring a SIMPLE steel dagger. The one you are using now is rather showy. You may find that you are better able to concentrate on the matter at hand (the ritual) when not distracted by the implements.

Ah yes, i mean the dagger i use for the *BRP rituals (* = replace with L/G/whatever here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif))

As for the making of my own dagger, i do not know how this would be possible with no smithy to pound the steel in etc, living in an apartement without a workshop severly limits me in these workings. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I suppose i could make a wooden dagger at a place i have access too but it doesn't feel right. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Yes, it is rather showy, but i like it. ;P

I was thinking of ordering another dagger that is less showy but still feels right for ceremonial purposes, but i'm not sure.

As i said, i'll have to think this through, but thanks for answering. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

The LBRP dagger represents your WILL as the air dagger represents the air element. As you progress you will also find that there is a wand you can construct that also represents your Will as well as the fire wand representing the fire element.

And you should also try to use for your will dagger a straight blade...
It appears thatthe curbed blades (who resemble the barzai's iatagan (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ) do not focus the laser like ray of energy...
Your dagger is verry beautiful,but he can remain on the altar as the element of air...and with him you can consacrate your incence...