Astral Evocation Options

hello everyone

i want to discuss astral evocation some people say that but when searching the forum there is no information.

what is astral evocation (evoking to the astral plane) some say that is the best way to begin but what is astral evocation how does one learn and do astral evocation.

evocation in itself is very confusing i have read alot about it also on the forums but most dont make sense some things i do get daily lbrp and mpr improves visualisation strenght of circle and effect of banishing but then there are tools are a choice but half say you need them and all and half dont well i dont have money credit card and barely have sight. one can follow a book but a book has no exp.

but now i see some post about astral evocation does that mean doing the evocation on the astral and everything you need for evocation is done in the astral.

so some more info would help.

thanks all

Greetings,

I'd suggest you read Konstantino's Summoning Spirits. He gives you an idea on how to do plus gives a bit of training on how to "awaken" your astral senses.

Kat

If you get Modern Magick by Kraig he discusses evocation in chapter 9.

This post has been edited by RysMan: Mar 14 2009, 05:39 PM

I would say use a sigil and intonations while on the astral plane,....or u could use a tarot card to enter the specific realm of the formentioned entity, call em up and then test away,.....more immediate results there im sure.

VVL

You can do it as a normal evocations using tools/etc except do them in the astral temple. Or a simpler way is to just pass through the sigil into the spirits domain. Although that can be more dangerous if dealing with something nasty. But if you know what you are doing, then it is perfectly acceptable.

Would have thought evocation on the astral planes would be dangerous in general, isn't it like calling them into your mind rather than creating a space for a part of their world to exsist in ours?

Would have thought evocation on the astral planes would be dangerous in general, isn't it like calling them into your mind rather than creating a space for a part of their world to exsist in ours?

It isn't really calling them into your mind. The astral plane is an actual plane of existence that you would travel to via your mind, through trance, meditation etc.

It is a distinct space.

However, depending on the spirit and your experience with traversing the astral plane and communicating with it's inhabitants, it could indeed be dangerous, just as any dealings with spirits could be dangerous if you do not take the proper precautions and protect yourself and banish afterwards.

Evocation on the astral plane is the same as evocation on the physical plane, it is just calling them or meeting them at a different place(plane). In the physical plane you would use your physical wand, in the astral plane you would use an astral wand consecrated through visualisation and meditation on the astral plane, in your astral temple.

I hope you can see how it isn't the same as invocation where you might call a spirit to inhabit your body or mind. It is just a different place to meet them.

The Astral Plane is mental, granted there are diffrent spaces, worlds and so on but they are within rather than without so e-voking on a mental plane isn't e-voking, its in-voking as its not a seperate space made consitute in the physical world... which is what e-voking is... setting up laws out-side of ones self for something from one world to exist in another.

Am sure its been done or something to that degree but from what I've read the two don't mix, think Kraig mentions it.... that and if you're apt enough to create an astral temple of your own you're well equipped enough to travel to that entities world directly.

This post has been edited by Mchawi: May 15 2009, 09:09 AM

The Astral Plane is mental,

The universe is mental.

Regardless the designation "astral" is a poor word for a myriad type of activities. You have active imagination such as pathworking. Mental projection which can lead to astral projection. Then etheric projection, more commonly known as Out of Body Experience. All are different but all have more in common than they have less in common.

Using any of these techniques in spirit work would be evocation because you would still be dealing with the spirit outside of your sphere. Invocation also covers a wide spectrum of techniques. From drawing in a certain signature or vibration, where you retain your full consciousness, all the way up to full possession.

Traveling to the spirit is the more dangerous method of evocation because you don't have a lot of the usual safe guards. You lose home field advantage.

So, evoking while in a temple you've made in the astral is still evokation?

Thought it being in your temple would place it within your sphere?

Hm, these are all interesting takes on Astral Evocation; my take is a little different.

I have always seen invocation and evocation as having various degrees, as Fio mentions with the case of invocation.

Astral Evocation is what I call evocation into a scrying mirror or other communication medium. Evoking the spirit in question into the surrounding astral locale, but not fully manifesting the spirit physically, which would be the pinnacle of evocation comparable to full possession in Invocation practices.

I would almost call evocation while involved in astral projection more like pathworking. Evocation kind of implies compelling or inviting a spirit to manifest in your locale, while doing so while projected seems more like meeting them half-way.

Additionally, I have always considered a third degree, mental evocation, to be specifically the evocation of mental constructs. Does this phrase also have another definition in popular terminology?

I think the idea of astral evocation is a relatively 'new' term, isn't it?

peace