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post Apr 25 2005, 08:26 AM
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I have heard talk of "Golems" and I was wondering on how to go about creating one. I have created astral servants and other such entities, but have never stumbled upon anything dealing with golems. Any information anyone could give would be grand.
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post Apr 25 2005, 09:18 AM
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How to Make a Golem
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post Apr 27 2005, 08:44 AM
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post May 3 2005, 08:25 AM
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Well, I've read the story about the rabbi, and even though I am Wiccan, It has interested me, and when I saw a Forum on Artificial Entities, I figured I would ask. Which does remind me, I have also heard of an creature called a Homunculus. Other than the name, I know nothing about it. Would anyone have any information on that?


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post May 3 2005, 08:15 PM
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Greetings!
Yup! Golems are definitely interesting! There is alot of good literature out there, fictional and non-. There's a good kids book called"the Golems Eye"....i think that's what it's called. (I love childrens books,etc.) I think that it has always been a dream of mine...to make and animate a golem. Instead I learned how to create an 'elementarie' ala Bardon. There was no turning back...*sigh* The Homunculus will be found, initially, in the works of Alchemy. Check out the Library and read up!
Also, if you decide to try making a 'Servitor' ala Hines/Carrol, please read the Bardon also and really try to understand the morality of the situation before running off and generating astral sludge for fun and profit! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wizard.gif)
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post May 4 2005, 12:54 PM
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I tried, do you think that you can specify which file it is? Thanks


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post May 4 2005, 07:29 PM
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Look in Bardon's Iniyiation into Hermetics...about halfway through under elementaries...hell, read the whole book, it will seem like alot but it really is quite concise. (Gee...I could have sworn that I wrote this before..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) ) Oh well....there is a distinct difference between an elementarie and a servitor.


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post Jun 17 2005, 11:18 AM
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read Crowliers book 'MoonChild'

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post Sep 29 2005, 09:06 PM
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Thanks greatly for the link to the Golem sight, as the legend of the first Golem has fascinated me since my father told it to me as a child. I found it intristing that the one thing we could not grant to the golem was divine speech, which almost puts a new emphasis on the power of the spoken word.
Thanks Kinjo, the link will provide me with endless entertainment, though as I recall in the legend it took the Rabbi as well as two gifted students to perform the operation, and being a solitary practioner doesn't offer me to much promise, but I welcome more sources on the subject.
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post Sep 30 2005, 08:15 PM
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I am currently unaware of any extant Hebrew MSS which detail the requisite work for creating a golem. However, I can certainly say that the process by which one is made cannot be performed by a solitary practicioner.


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post Oct 1 2005, 12:54 AM
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When I was studying the Tetragrammaton...well, its been an on off obsession since my dad told me about the power of the true name of god. I came across a specific...wait...I still have that book...please hold.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mf_bookread.gif)
HERE IT IS!!

TETRAGRAMMATON: the Secret to Evoking Angelic Powers and the Key to the Apocalypse By Donald Tyson. (I found this book beyond invaluable in my library, and its one of the first books I contributed (most were my fathers books))

Page 39-42
It goes over the legend of the Prague Golem of 1580 by Rabbi Loew in a fair amount of detail...its the one I was referring to earlier. For some reason I thought it was in one of the Magreggor Kabbalah books....If anyone is intristed in the specifics email me, and I'll type it out, the subject holds endless fascination to me, but to type it out here would take up quite a bit of space....

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post Oct 16 2005, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE(blackstaff @ May 3 2005, 09:25 AM)
I have also heard of an creature called a Homunculus. Other than the name, I know nothing about it. Would anyone have any information on that?

homunculus= (as far as i no) dead brought back to life through use of alchemy

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post Oct 16 2005, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE(cabose @ Oct 16 2005, 08:53 PM)
homunculus= (as far as i no) dead brought back to life through use of alchemy

The homunculus is a living creature created through the use of alchemy, not the ressurection of a previously dead creature. It is usually described as requiring the use of manure, semen, blood or some other rather strange components. Paracelsus describes it in some detail in Archidoxes of Magic. In his descriptions it should be noted that it is mainly created through alchemical or physical means. (i.e. by combining certain substances. ) To myself this appears to be one of the major differences with it and a golem. Where the golem does require a physical medium to be created (usually clay) it is imbued with life through cabalistic ritual while the homunculus is given life by the workings of the combined components. The homunculus seems to have some similarity with the idea of "spontaneous generation" that was often proposed by scientists in pre-enlightenment times. It goes hand-in-hand with the idea that flies were formed by rotting meat rather than by the flies themselves. Other scientists sought to disprove this idea and eventually it was accepted as false through the experiments of Pasteur.

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post Apr 11 2006, 02:58 PM
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[size=3]How do you recite the words for the golem out of thin air? Do you use the letters, or the words?

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I've never given much thought to creating a golem... but after listening on the posts.... I'm halfway interested.


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post Apr 28 2006, 08:34 PM
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Golems, hmm. I've read a bit on them, along with a creation story about a rabbi and his three sons (don't quote me on that it could have been four. I read it a while ago). The story was a bit graphic in nature. The creators made the golem as human like as possible out of the mud from a creek and read certain verses over it whilst (apparently) ejaculating in the mouth of the golem. Of course this isn't THE only one way to create a golem, but it's one of the more ....interesting ways. I wouldn't recommend doing this one, as you have to do it by a stream or a creek outdoors, and if you get caught by the cops, having to explain yourself would be kinda tricky LOL.


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post May 1 2006, 06:10 PM
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I have heard of this as well and I was just wondering... are there any risks with creating one? The only story I have heard about one was from a girl who claimed to have made it too powerful or something of that nature and it turned against her. I wasn't sure whether to believe her or not.


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post Jun 25 2006, 09:14 PM
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QUOTE(DocHolliday @ Sep 30 2005, 10:15 PM) *
I am currently unaware of any extant Hebrew MSS which detail the requisite work for creating a golem. However, I can certainly say that the process by which one is made cannot be performed by a solitary practicioner.


The system set down in Sefer Yetzirah is used for creating golems. In fact, the very act of studying the text (in groups) actually creates a golem for you. A golem is made up on earth, clay, or in other words the stuff of Assiah. It's specifically designed to cause change in the world, though it's not made of physical clay. It's something like a servitor, but on a much broader scale. Sefer Yetzirah is an initiatory text, meaning it actually works in you and changes your subconscious mind. It arranges your entire mind into concept-groups symbolized in the Letters of the Hebrew Alef-beit. Each letter has its own spiritual meaning, meditation on which will manifest corresponding events into your subjective life. Combining and permuting the letters together brings about strings of small manifested changes, all ordered in different ways in order to bring about larger changes - words. A golem is fully formed when all of the letters have been permuted with each other, which is the meaning of the 231 Gates. It takes YEARS of study and experimentation with Sefer Yetzirah before you're capable of controlling the system in any meaningful way. All that said, it's definitely worth the effort. Kaplan's commentary is the best, and like I said, you have to work in groups.


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