Precise Breathing Patterns And Bpms Options

Not quite sure where to post this, so moderators feel free to move it wherever. Nevertheless, I figured that it definitely has some OBE implications.

For the past year or so I’ve been experimenting with precise breathing patterns and rhythms. As with most traditions that practice any form of pranayama, the goal in my practice is the allegorical “death” of the tellurian body so that I may fixate my conscious Self to the ethereal body.

Anyway, my preferred rhythm is 4x, 4x, 4x, 4x, though I frequently switch over to different rhythms depending on the intent of the operation. But for the most part 4 count inhale, 4 count hold, 4 count exhale, 4 count hold is my base.

Lately I’ve wanted to arrive at even greater precision and have begun using a metronome to time the counts. The magic number for me seems to be right around 52-60 bpm, which is significantly slower than the average bpm of the human heart (72bpm). While I’ll be the first to admit that this is overkill, as I arrive at the same place regardless of the rhythm or specific bpm, I am definitely finding it much easier and quicker to obtain that allegorical death within that 52-60bpm range.

I am wondering if anyone here has experimented with precise breathing practices and if so, I would be most interested in your insights.

Not quite sure where to post this, so moderators feel free to move it wherever. Nevertheless, I figured that it definitely has some OBE implications.

For the past year or so I’ve been experimenting with precise breathing patterns and rhythms. As with most traditions that practice any form of pranayama, the goal in my practice is the allegorical “death” of the tellurian body so that I may fixate my conscious Self to the ethereal body.

Anyway, my preferred rhythm is 4x, 4x, 4x, 4x, though I frequently switch over to different rhythms depending on the intent of the operation. But for the most part 4 count inhale, 4 count hold, 4 count exhale, 4 count hold is my base.

Lately I’ve wanted to arrive at even greater precision and have begun using a metronome to time the counts. The magic number for me seems to be right around 52-60 bpm, which is significantly slower than the average bpm of the human heart (72bpm). While I’ll be the first to admit that this is overkill, as I arrive at the same place regardless of the rhythm or specific bpm, I am definitely finding it much easier and quicker to obtain that allegorical death within that 52-60bpm range.

I am wondering if anyone here has experimented with precise breathing practices and if so, I would be most interested in your insights.

I have done much research into the metaphysical aspects of musick and I would like to point out that the comfortable 4x 4x 4x 4x is more effective when it becomes 5x 4x 5x 4x

That you actually used a metronome and worked this out is wonderful., good for you.

Everyone has their own frequency. The 4x4 meditation is useful for insight into the elements, seasons and so on.

Have yet to fully experiment with any breath work, assumed that the longer the count the deeper the meditation, currently use a 7x7 hold and breath meditation alongside a 4x4 used while in ritual. Tend to go by my heart rate using one beat as a count. Would be interesting to find an optimum rate at which to maintain in order to achieve a near death like state.

Must be a few books on it.

The count I mention 4x 4x 4x 4x is only the framework for the bpm. I mentioned it is my base pattern, I too experiment with variations including 5x 4x 5x 4x and the 2x 4x 2x x put forth by the UR group. McHawi, it is funny that you mention a seven fold pattern because that is the count I used to use with the Hexagram rituals as it fits nicely with the symbolism of ARARITA and the seven planetary energies, etc.

As I stated, I am quite aware that this is overkill, and I greatly appreciate that the two of you have taken the time to entertain this discussion. I think we are all aware that regardless of the precise breath count we will arrive at the same metaphorical "death" at which point the body will assume its natural breathing pattern and we don't have to worry about keeping a strict count. However, I keep finding that initially slowing down the bpm between the counts(whether the count be 4x, 7x, or anything else) from about 72bpm(heart rate) down to 52-60 results in achieving that trance or meditative state much faster than I would normally. The interesting thing, at least in my practice, is that there is a point of diminishing returns. If I slow down the bpm to less than the "optimal" 52-60bpm range it becomes more of a hindrance than a facilitator as the strain of holding and exhaling breaths at that slow a pace inevitably brings awareness back to the physical body.

I know, I know, I am just fishing for that "magic" number (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif)

This is very intereting. I usually use the 4x4x4x4x or 4x2x4x2 but I think more important to you the death states. seem to happen after the exhale when your lungs are empty of air and you can achieve this state of nothing. is that what type of death state you mean?

Can't remember the exact term for it... "cata-" something or another. Some herbs can cause it. But the idea is to meditate to a depth that's as close as you can get to being dead achiving a coma like state where you're then able to seperate your extoplasm from your physical self or some other such goal.

Scientifically speaking there has to be a rate you can maintain to achive it, specifically.

If I slow down the bpm to less than the "optimal" 52-60bpm range it becomes more of a hindrance than a facilitator as the strain of holding and exhaling breaths at that slow a pace inevitably brings awareness back to the physical body.

Isn't that a point you can hover at before achiving the state... what level is yours considered talking beta, theta and so on?

This post has been edited by Mchawi: Oct 28 2009, 12:48 PM