Beliefs Options

I would just like to hear some people beliefs. Do you follow a major religion a minor one? Do you follow your own beliefs based off of other major/minor religion? Do you have a unique set of beliefs that you follow and live your life by?

I was writing down my beliefs to see what I truly believed and felt. I wanted to see if I related to any major/minor religion in some sense. So I thought I ask if any others have done such a thing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif). I will list mine later when the list is complete.

Beliefs are best measured by their representation through our actions, and our observations of our reactions to our own actions.

There is what you say you believe, what you think you believe, and what you really believe.

One might say they believe, for instance, that we are all connected, and that all people should rely on one another to create peace in the world - but refuse to give alms to the poor, or assist a friend in need, etc., usually out of fear in some form.

You may think you believe that there is a Benevolent God - and yet, you contend with fear, hate, sadness, loss, despite that belief.

We believe that fire is hot, and will burn us, so we are very careful to avoid touching fire for any length of time.

The first kind of belief tells us what we have learned is the right kind of belief.

The second kind of belief tells us who we think we really are as an individual.

The third kind we only acquire through experience.

The first two are false, no one truly believes those things unless they are informed by the third kind of belief.

Therefore, most people have no idea what they believe, and are fundamentally atheist, for that matter, until they experience Divinity in some form.

peace

I agree most people don't understand what they believe but I did not ask most people. I asked people that are in a place (magick forum) were I hope almost everyone is trying to understand there deep mind. So they should have experiences and feelings as to what is truly what they believe and not what they have been raised and told to believe. If not I do not think many people would be here since magick is said to be fake, false, unreal.




This post has been edited by NetHermit: May 20 2010, 11:52 PM

beliefs are not just beliefs, they are anchors - anchors against straying far from your beliefs, anchors against doubt, and anchors against all change, for good or for bad - if you try to change yourself, and it doesn't work, it is because your beliefs are anchoring you, holding you back from your desired change


the question was what do you believe in, i.e., what are your beliefs - so with that in mind, here's a little test:


do you believe in some higher power controlling or cooordinating, beneficient or otherwise, regardless of where it lives or not or whatever?

do you blame yourself or others, perhaps including this higher whatever if you believe in it, when things around you don't go as you planned?

is it your job to control your environment, do you even plan things out beyond tomorrow, or are you just a reactive blob in an ocean of waving waves?

what gives you the right to change your mind about things, or determine your feelings about something or some event that you planned or not?

just because something is invisible, and society denies it exists, does that make it not real to you as you experience it?

so then, what do you really believe in?

is not the answer to all these questions logical, one thought following another logically like a train, or are they more like rocks skipping across a pond?


and just for the fun of it:

my beliefs:
i am simply because i am
i awoke once to find myself sitting there, and said ' oh look, here i am!'
i am incarnated onto this planet of illusions, into the illusion of a single life within illusions of single lives
there is no limitation of an i am, and no i am awakens to perfection, which is why we need learning
i am learning through experience within this incarnation, learning toward enlightenment
regardless whether it is good or bad or happy or sad, it is all just experience to the i am
if one remembers experience from a previous incarnation, then there is nothing new
comparisons to previous experiences mean no new experience is gained
despite all my previous experience, this i am is not yet ready to stop incarnating, not yet
as i have not yet achieved enlightenment, not yet
there is no time to the i am, so it could easily be forever

in other words, for the as-yet-unawakened:

i am an incarnated soul, seeing through the eyes of that soul, living in non-time gaining experience through incarnation
there is no original sin, or even karma, but how you live your lives determines the quality of the experiences gained from them
passing on the experience to others helps them to also find awakening

very buddist, very zen, very boring

This post has been edited by esoterica: May 21 2010, 06:44 AM

This can be locked or deleted since in sense it is just getting spammed.

My beliefs..listed but then thought why? Its a waste here.

This post has been edited by NetHermit: May 21 2010, 06:38 AM

spammed? - talk about waste lololol

jesus said to not throw your pearls before swine, and now you know why, as they will just eat them and they will be gone forever, eaten by a pig

non-magical people!!!!! - grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!



edit: i believe that freely given energy is oh so tasty


wait i know! - you want a magical CREED! - i believe in the holy astral, thirty three, with beauty and judgment for all, where egrigores and entites bring what we want if we give them blood - lolololololol

This post has been edited by esoterica: May 21 2010, 07:03 AM

You edited your post from what it was, it was simple repeat of what dreamer had said.

mmm...i'm full - anyone else need a meal?


edit: o sweet epicurus! - lol too bad there's no money in it

This post has been edited by esoterica: May 21 2010, 07:13 AM

I was conserened with my beliefs as well for some time but now i have gotten a good grasp on what i believe and why just do some reasearch into diffrent religions and see which one best suites you. But religion as i have found out is just something use to have in my experience is to blame there problems on and thank for the good that they get even though it is themselves who is taking the action and doing wether it be good or bad. So dont concern religion every religion has its postivies and negative and not one religion describes anyone to a tee so i would not stress to much over it myself just follow in what ever makes you the happiest.

I grew up Roman Catholic so I do have a belief in the Christan God. However since my awakening and in this case reawakening much of my spiritual belief is delved in Shamanism, mostly Native American.

I agree most people don't understand what they believe but I did not ask most people. I asked people that are in a place (magick forum) were I hope almost everyone is trying to understand there deep mind. So they should have experiences and feelings as to what is truly what they believe and not what they have been raised and told to believe. If not I do not think many people would be here since magick is said to be fake, false, unreal.

True beliefs are experiential and not quantifiable, or not worth quantifying - I could tell you I believe in natural phenomenon, but then I would have to define my interpretation of those things, and even without those definitions you have a general idea of what I mean.

In the case of religious or spiritual beliefs, it's not some rote description of a higher power, its a collection of abstract experiences, perceptions, interpersonal observations, and some elements that defy labels.

I'm not suggesting that my beliefs are super special, but that no one here, or anywhere for that matter, can really and truly state their TRUE beliefs, not from a lack of awareness but a lack of language. The fact that you asked means that you are still confusing your false beliefs with your true beliefs.

True beliefs are indicated by actions, not words. That doesn't mean they can't be 'proven' by words - although that is also true - but that words don't describe them, actions do; action is the appropriate language to use to describe beliefs. That is, the beliefs that you are asking for here.

Rituals, labelling conventions, collections of esoteric lore, traditions, etc., none of these are true beliefs, they are learned behaviors. Belief in a God is a learned behavior, inherited and not original to one's true experience. I'm not suggesting no one believes in a higer power, just that without experience you can't truly believe in anything, you can only think that you do - most people have not experienced a higher power.

However, false beliefs are more isidious than just that - what we think we believe is more than just what we are raised and told to believe, it is what you have told yourself you want to believe based on judgements and assumptions, and these based on superficial experiences and the hypothesizing of experience. You can't express your true beliefs in words.

I apologize that my initial response was somewhat short, it was late and I was reconsidering the nature of beliefs after having covered this a long time ago, I'm not trying to bash you for asking about beliefs, just trying to offer a wider perspective on just what it is that you're actually asking, and what it suggests about your own interpretation of 'belief'.

peace

I understand and see your view point. I at this time do not believe what you say to be true in all senses. I think people can know there true beliefs they may not be able to tell others there true beliefs but they do know what they believe and what they don't. I understand now that my question was one with no answer or no good answer.

and when we do give an answer, it it doesn't line up with the pre-conceived view it gets counted as spamming lol - you will learn that there are many many beliefs and viewpoints - mine are indeed quite eclectic and eccentric and esoteric (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif), and not at all for everyone, but it was an accurate answer for my particular odd blend of eastern philosophies and religions - belief in an awakened state, the possibility of enlightenment, the long view from the eyes of the eternal soul instead of the eyes of the incarnation, the illusion of time and space, the causal flow from source down the pyramid of the elements and back again down the shadow pyramid into the drain, the ability to manipulate the causal flow to change our incarnated selves or change the world formed by the coalescing causal flow - all beliefs, and all just subjective conclusions in the end as all beliefs eventually are - trying to put a logical name on an illogical process

I have nothing against you esoterica but you need to learn to let go. What you did in my mind and most forums is spam, just because you reworded what dream said a little does not make it unique. You LATER edited after I had made my post calling yours spam with your beliefs and more information. Then you try to pretend like it was there the whole time to try to make me look like ? I don't know the reason but truly don't get why you are keeping this negativity.

>>you need to learn to let go

um, let go of what?

>>What you did in my mind and most forums is spam

lol, spamming your mind

alright, i'm going to go away and kill myself now since you don't approve of me or the way i think


edit: wait a minute, "most forums"?, i'm only on two forums, this one and whitley's - you must mean threads, that i spam threads with my wild ideas that have no relevance to the topic at hand, or at least in your limited experience it may seem that way - i edit a lot because my fingers don't spell well and it takes my brain a while to process, and if i reworded someone else's post then i wasn't intentional but following the same line of thought - who is being negative? - i am a mirror, oh!, a black polished obsidian mirror!!!

"I shall not recant!!!"

and the original post said: "I would just like to hear some people beliefs. Do you follow a major religion a minor one? Do you follow your own beliefs based off of other major/minor religion? Do you have a unique set of beliefs that you follow and live your life by?" - you got what you asked for, so wake up!

This post has been edited by esoterica: May 22 2010, 06:24 PM

You other are blind and do not see that you reworded dreams post and want to make it look like you didn't for some reason unknown to me. Or you are in denial for another reason that is unknown to me. Reread dreams and your post BEFORE YOUR EDIT and you will see you are stating the same thing and that is what people think they believe is not what they do. Now agreeing with someone is fine but flaming me because I pointed it out to you is childish and insane. If you have anything further you can pm cause I don't think I will be checking this thread any longer.

This is clearly a good post

mmm...i'm full - anyone else need a meal?


edit: o sweet epicurus! - lol too bad there's no money in it

You reworded your post? This is all that you added with your edited

and just for the fun of it:

my beliefs:
i am simply because i am
i awoke once to find myself sitting there, and said ' oh look, here i am!'
i am incarnated onto this planet of illusions, into the illusion of a single life within illusions of single lives
there is no limitation of an i am, and no i am awakens to perfection, which is why we need learning
i am learning through experience within this incarnation, learning toward enlightenment
regardless whether it is good or bad or happy or sad, it is all just experience to the i am
if one remembers experience from a previous incarnation, then there is nothing new
comparisons to previous experiences mean no new experience is gained
despite all my previous experience, this i am is not yet ready to stop incarnating, not yet
as i have not yet achieved enlightenment, not yet
there is no time to the i am, so it could easily be forever

in other words, for the as-yet-unawakened:

i am an incarnated soul, seeing through the eyes of that soul, living in non-time gaining experience through incarnation
there is no original sin, or even karma, but how you live your lives determines the quality of the experiences gained from them
passing on the experience to others helps them to also find awakening

very buddist, very zen, very boring

my dear, you have not been flamed, just toyed with lol, like a cat with a fine fat mouse, taking what energy is freely given

and your higher self is laughing, and that is the best thing ever!

enjoy, and don't take life, and people, so seriously!

welcome to sacred magick!

This post has been edited by esoterica: May 23 2010, 08:27 AM

Normal don't take people serious but some thing about people online acting a certain "way" bothers me.

there were many critics of madam blavatsky, saying she never did this or only wrote what she did about the bardo by chance, eh, who knows what she really knew, so we taker her stuff as a starting point and begin to dig for ourselves

>>bothers me

that feeling is called 'discernment', and you should always listen to it, and never think anyone really knows anything special - always check their sources, and go with your gut

enjoy,

es