Another Freeform Banishing Ritual, Just a simple experiment Options

Hiya everyone, I was doing some reading and practice on the principles of a banishing ritual/technique (still a rookie here), and in the end, after trying several methods (the lesser pentagram and several of its variation, as well as Mace's technique of the pillar of fire and the 3 rings) I still don't seem to find one that fits me well (either the ritual feels a little too complex for me, or it just doesn't ring a bell inside me)

So I try to structure a technique for my own use based on the principles that I've learned and gathered, and decide to share it here to find some input

The first thing to do is to exhale and inhale, breathe normally and easily until you think you are ready

During this preparation state, choose and visualize a structural form to act as somewhat of a holding space for the conjurer to work in, make sure that the chosen form feels sturdy, safe and comfortable enough, and that it can be visualized clearly and vividly as well

(it seems that the most commonly used form that I've read so far is a sphere or any other derivative of the circle structure, but it's somehow a little hard for me to visualize a stable and sturdy form based on the circle structure, so i use another geometric form)

When you're ready, breathe and accumulate the energy, and then expand your space rapidly, fortify your space at the same time by visualizing the creation of your chosen border form in an instant (the expansion works best for me if i do it in a rapid-explosion-like manner)

When you're done, do stabilize yourself and relax your tension, exhale calmly and slowly, normalize your breathing

Make sure the border form that you made were created nicely and sturdy enough to act as a barrier while you do your work, make sure it's not to small, or not too large that you might feel unsettled or unsafe

Keep inhaling and exhaling to settle your breath
When you think you're ready, breathe and accumulate the energy once more, hold and let it energize, and then release the energy in a calm and soothing manner, slowly but surely, to fill up your space with the essence of your soul

And that does it, ritual completed!
I don't know whether this'll work on anyone, since the system is made for my own use, but i guess the concept might be usable to someone

The concept i used was to first clear the space from unwanted energy, then to create a barrier-like form to protect the conjurer from outside influence (make you feel safe, a feeling of security), connect to the conjurer preferred source of existence (the source of energy), and then fill the space with the ether that suits you the most (ether == substance to fill that space, fire, white light, white mist, etc)

Inputs anyone?

EDIT:
From what I read, the banishment ritual was done to cleanse as well as to fortify one's space from unwanted influence, the word banish does sounds powerful for this purpose, but it also sounds like forcing something out in a forceful and rather harsh manner for me

And because of that, I don't really know whether this technique can to be called a banishing ritual actually, because I don't employ any harsh of forced intention to banish anything here, what I wrote was more like a technique to clean and claim a space for myself, but I don't know any other word that might portray it better as a magickal term, so I use the term banishing ritual

If anyone got a better term, please do inform me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by arkham: Jul 17 2010, 09:25 PM

banishing is indeed kicking stuff out forcibly

i have an astral palace, backed up by use over a long time, and a bunch of drawings, construction plans and renderings that act like sigils

your idea is a good one, to fill a space with one's breath (pnuema, self) - if 'made firm' it might work to expel all things within the space by pushing them out

"from my quiet place, i climb the seven steps with the seven tones, and enter the anteroom of the temple - i dissolve and reform, washed, well-robed and ready for the conjuration"

i tried filling it with myself, exhaling myself to fill the space - it is a good practice, thanks!

hmmmm...pneuma, greek for the breath of life, our air/intelligence/spirit combined with the warmth of movement, associated with friction and fire - the horse-whisperer breathes out, long and slow, into the horse's nostrils, transferring himself (via his pneuma), his scent, his power, into the horse's mind - in the bible it says that just throwing out demonz is no good, you have to fill it with something to keep them from just coming back in once your back is turned - they use the (pneuma of, as in air/intelligence of) jezzuz (invited in, as in possession), but i like this idea of using the self, and the idea of gently expelling them naturally via a pressure, kinda like removing water from a tire by filling the innertube until it expands into the space and thus drives out all the water - it was jeezuz himself that conferred his power upon the apostles by breathing on them (pneuma again), the practice coming from ancient egypt where akenaton breathed the fire of the aton upon his daughters, conferring magic abilities upon them - breathing not as a concept of air, but as a concept of fire, conferring a fire (com-passion) within because dead bodies are cold, and of course now we know that o2 is necessary for both fire and our lives, and our bodies are like the catalytic converters of no-flame heaters, converting fuel + o2 into energy - more ancient knowledge kept as occult magic tradition? - there is just so much we still do not know (sigh)

This post has been edited by esoterica: Jul 20 2010, 07:46 AM

Superinteresting, and a very very nice start. Coming from the perspective of the one who traditionally breaches and renders banishing and healing ineffective, I have a few things to say, perhaps food for thought.

If you've encountered an affliction powerful enough, it would scale in size and power with the amount of energy you'd output~ is there anything possible that you could do to avoid this? Most good afflictions are placed into the target internally, so that instead of having to perpetually update it, it becomes more like a white blood cell virus, growing and multiplying in proportion to the victim's struggle. What possible ways could you create a banishing to actually instead of forcefully 'pushing' the ailment out, but rather, bleach the correct stains out without harming yourself?

Second~ Your form is fluid and natural thus far, but how graceful and natural would it be, if you were holding an object, or an extension of you that you don't identify with? (for example, banishing a space, or an object?) One obvious answer would be to increase the amount of power you have, but that's not necessarily the most time-efficient way. But on the other hand, its also not worth completely changing a well-made model in exchange for another (or just the challenge to keep the model)?

I haven't actually seen any actual curses that acted the way I've noted, but most, if not many entities that attack do use a similar pattern of behavior.

>>instead of forcefully 'pushing' the ailment out

its a bit matrix energetics these days, but the concept of working via 'no thought' on a 'unformed reality' is very ancient - the problem here is you are attempting to push something that doesn't really actually exist physically, you only make it real in your own mind when you observe it - at least in the no-thought' mind of 'unformed reality', where everything doesn't exist al all physically, but is an illusion built by our own minds out of the swirling mass of unformed reality - the 'no-thought' view of an 'unformed reality' is complicated and totally non-linear and completely illogical, all at the same time lol - in that world, it is quite easy to bleach out the stains or simply reform them into something else by altering the illusion your minds makes of them - it is a totally thoughtless process, done at the soul level - recognize, discern, then just change how it manifests (not destroying it, for energy cannot be destroyed, but turning it to butterflies or whatever)

Banishing is kicking out things forcibly

Hmm, i guess the atmosphere I get about the word banish is true then
If that were the case, I guess I'll use the term sanctuary ritual for this method, just for a subtler sense of perspective

Note: The post below is quite long, just some minor warning before reading

I've seen several exorcism rituals done by people of a certain spiritual group in my country, well, not literally saw the process being done, but what it did, that I see
There was a concept in their exorcism ritual that seems to be similar with the banishment ritual, which was what es said, to forcibly kick something out

From what I've noticed, when that something is forcefully pushed and driven out, it would try to push back to its place, resulting in a battle of the strongest
If the battleground is strong enough to contain that battle, there would be no problem, the battleground may be damaged, but it can be restored and reshaped

But what if the battleground isn't strong enough?

In the past, there was a friend of mine who come into contact with a form of strong negative energy, and that energy eventually plant itself inside him

The source of this negative energy was unclear, but judging from the condition here, it could be anything, since people here where i live tend to throw an attacking intent toward everyone who they don't think is following their way, and they don't seem to realize just how strong the entity who back them up, because whenever they did that, the attacking intent was almost always instantly turned into a very strong curse (quite a spiritual jungle here where i live)

In an effort to help him, there were several "experts" called by his parents to exorcist and in a way, banish, the negative energy inside my friend
And after quite some struggle, the negative energy was banished, these "experts" were strong indeed, but the battleground where they fought was not, that battleground was my friend's mind

The banishment succeed, the negative entity was banished, but the shattered battleground inside eventually attracts even more negative energy, and so slowly but surely, my friend eventually lose his sanity
This friend of mind never really recover, his mind was shattered and now are not very sane, so to speak

This was somewhat a reason why I'm kinda unsettled using the term banish
For my current state of mind, it's a little too forceful, the concept and the process
Maybe I'll use the term when I've develop a strong enough base inside of me, but I'll stick with sanctuary for now I guess

So, the purpose of the technique I used is to create a safe enough sanctuary in one's internal world, that are supported by a firm enough border (fortification) to limit oneself from outside/external influence in a static/non-forceful manner, done to create a closed space for one to face their own negativity inside (to cleanse one's soul), somewhat of a training ground to make a strong enough mind, before attempting any further effort in manipulating what happens in the external world (magick?)

Face yourself first, then face the world approach I guess

The idea to fill the space with the ether of one's preference (pneuma, as esoterica described) also came from the explanation above
Seen analogically, a sun who had lost its internal resource of energy would die and collapse into itself, forming a condensed form of its former self in the form of a white (and then black) dwarf, neutron star, or a black hole

In the case of the black hole, there was not enough energy within the interior of the star that can be used to neutralize the pressure from the energy outside (which actually was generated by this star as well during its prime), causing the star to collapse inside, somewhat like a hollow ping pong ball being put several kilometers under the sea, it would be crushed

And so i thought that, before I drop the pingpong ball into the depths of the ocean, I better fill this pingpong ball with a strong enough filler, strengthening my internal space properly by filling it with my own choice of what I can relate as a strong, stable, but also comfortable substance for myself
Because by saturating the space with one's own choice of ether/pneuma, there would be little space left for unwanted influence to seep into

Regarding the powerful affliction that would scale in size and power with the amount of energy outputted, if it comes externally, then as long as the energy cannot enter the bordered space, it can't harm anything inside I suppose

And so it depends on how strong the border is, which depends on how strong the foundation of one's very own soul, which eventually depends on how strong and stable is the sanctuary within oneself

If the affliction is internal, then I guess one just have to "battle" it inside one's internal space of sanctuary, the strong will survive

Because its a closed system (that's why a bordered form was placed, to help the isolation during the training of the soul), the energy contained inside is finite, the internal negative energy is trapped inside the sanctuary, it can't attract other negative energy from outside (no negative backup army)

If the third step of the concept that I stated before was done well (to create a connection to one's preferred source of energy and place it inside the sanctuary), and that connection was designed to only be usable by oneself inside of one's sanctuary, then one can absorb as much energy as one need from that source (which is located inside, not an external energy) to win the battle while still maintaining a finite state of energy

What possible ways could you create a banishing to actually instead of forcefully 'pushing' the ailment out, but rather, bleach the correct stains out without harming yourself?

The method i did for this purpose was like what esoterica said, which is

it is quite easy to bleach out the stains or simply reform them into something else by altering the illusion your minds makes of them - it is a totally thoughtless process, done at the soul level - recognize, discern, then just change how it manifests (not destroying it, for energy cannot be destroyed, but turning it to butterflies or whatever)

In my case, I did this by accumulating the energy from the source, creating a sphere of fire-light/sun, manifest the negative energy in the form that i see them, and then simply use the sun to burn them until they deconstruct into pure energy, which I would then convert and absorb as a part of the ether within my sanctuary

This was also how the "battle" that i stated before was performed, it's a competition of having the most energy inside the sanctuary I guess
Firelord Ozai and Avatar Aang's final battle using energy-bending in the animation series of Avatar, the Legend of Aang analogy anyone?

Hey again~ this is really really interesting, and it sparks up a whole lot of new ideas, but I'm not sure about a few things.

Esoterica~

It is quite easy to bleach out the stains or simply reform them into something else by altering the illusion your minds makes of them - it is a totally thoughtless process, done at the soul level - recognize, discern, then just change how it manifests (not destroying it, for energy cannot be destroyed, but turning it to butterflies or whatever)

I've killed and created energy forms that change forms for the exact purpose that melt deeper into the individual with more change/thought that occurs. But, with the enough energy, you can have it mask and meld its core with the same frequency of energy that the mind attempts to blend the energy, and it only makes the poison sink deeper. I don't think I follow the means that you're explaining. In my experience, the only way I've ever been able to destroy these constructs were to sporadically violently shift energy frequencies inside until either the form or me burns out completely.

Arkham~

For this method, do you need a completely sealed space? The idea of filling yourself with positive energy is something that already occurs in all of us naturally, and it it flows in and out of us, giving us life. Without that connection, that is what will make an individual lose their minds the fastest.

I'm toying with the idea that you've proposed and I'm trying to figure out how to make this work right. But really, the problem is there isn't such a thing as a completely closed space. It isn't exactly possible, if you think about it. The barrier you use itself, is made out of the same material that you're attempting to protect yourself against. So far, the only real alternative way to generate a barrier that potent would be to employ something that literally doesn't exist in the individual's paradigm. How? I have no clue yet, but I think it'd be something drastically permanent, such as creating a space where energy can't inherently exist, which if you think about it, would kill us.

But at the same time, if you're going to end up moving through this conflict with a finite amount of energy, wouldn't that provide you with the possibility of depleting your source?

If I'm sounding overtly cynical, I apologize, I'm getting really invested in your concept model and I personally want it to work.

This post has been edited by kaboom13: Jul 23 2010, 12:21 AM

The barrier I made is indeed made of energy, but based on my understanding on how the world works, everything were made from the same material, which is the ultimate/god

From what I have perceived so far (dunno whether this would feel right for anyone though)
I realize that the world was made of multiple layers/planes
I don't know how many layers there actually is, but all of them were structured in a form of somewhat of an endless circle (the ouroborous concept, what is above so is below?)

Lets just say that, if you are currently in a town called A, if you keep going left without any distraction, you will find yourself approaching town A from the opposite site from where you departed

Another example was the one i read once (dunno where i read it though) that if the spatial plane is warped, with point A and B connected using a spatial channel, and you look inside the spatial channel, you would see a person there, this person is looking into a similar channel like the one you are currently looking through, and after awhile you would realize that the person that you saw inside the channel was actually yourself, seen from the back

Based on that concept, I believe that if one go deep enough inside into one's heart, one would find the source of one's existence (the abyss that is the ultimate?)
What if one go even deeper after that? Is it possible?

Well, I actually think that it is possible theoretically, but I dunno if its doable, since to go even deeper from the ultimate, one would eventually found the ultimate, and if done deeper, one would become one with the ultimate, and if one is already one with the ultimate, i doubt one would still remember or wish to go even deeper

But the theory is, if one was to go even deeper, one would eventually find even more layers (dunno how many layers), and if one go even deeper and further, one would eventually arrived at the physical universe that we currently live in, but from the higher planes

Based on that, this is the layers I have accepted so far, structured from the external to the internal

- the ultimate
- .... unknown layers...
- the subtle external plane (the layer where non-physical forms exists)
- physical external plane
- the mind/self/individual consciousness
- the internal subconscious (one's interface of the nature of the collective consciousness)
- and the ultimate once more, the same ultimate that I placed on the top of this list (abyss/collective consciousness/world/etc)

Just to make it clear, all those layers is actually the ultimate itself, since the ultimate is everything
The reason why I put the ultimate as one of the layers was because those layers isn't really layers in our sense of understanding, it's more of a purity spectrum

The ultimate layer is the layer where one can understand what the ultimate is, and that can only be done by being one with the ultimate
If put analogically as a percentage, the ultimate layer is the state of 100% knowledge of the whole system, the state of 100% unity with the ultimate

The physical external plane is currently the furthest state from the ultimate, I won't put a percentage here, because I don't know how far the physical external plane had strayed, but it's closer to 0% than the rest of the planes mentioned above it as well as below it

When one create a thought in one's mind and send it inside through the "correct" channel, that thought would be sent into the subconscious, and then to the collective consciousness (which is the ultimate)
If one finds the "correct" channel, that thought would then be sent further through multiple planes and eventually arrive at the subtle external plane, and if one uses the "correct" channel, it can even arrive and manifest in the physical external plane

This is why it is easier to move a stone by taking it in one's hand and throw it than to move a stone by looking at it and thinking
"mooove stooone!! moove!! I command thee to mooove!!!"

Because analogically, it's the same as heading west and around the world just to go to a destination that is actually only 1 step east from your initial position, yes it's doable, but the path are further
(One would also need the "correct" channel to move that stone, similar to the idea that you can't go around the world simply by using a car, you would eventually need other mediums like airplane or ship to go across the sea and other topographical challenges)

So regarding whether the space is a completely sealed space, nope, the space that I created using the barrier is closed from external influence (the external path), but it is not closed from the internal

As i stated before, I create some sort of a connection to the source inside the sanctuary, which I used to collect the energy from the ultimate and fill the sanctuary with my ether, and that ether is simply a form of the ultimate

One can enter the sanctuary if one come from the ultimate, and I myself perceive that the ultimate has no form, it is everything, no negative, no positive, it is simply is, and so I think it's safe enough to open a connection toward the ultimate from inside the sanctuary

So, nope, the space isn't completely sealed, because it is connected to the world, but through the internal channel of the subconscious
And nope, the connection to the source won't be severed as long as one creates a connection toward the ultimate using the internal channel inside one's sanctuary
And nope, the source won't be depleted as long as one use a source that cannot be depleted, which in our current system is the ultimate

But yes, the source can be depleted if one use another kind of source that is not directed to the ultimate, a source of power that is actually created from the ultimate and does have a connection to the ultimate, but was designed not to show that connection to its user
This kind of source would indeed make the space completely sealed in a way, and could produce the effects that kaboom had mentioned before

Note:
I guess I need to make it a little clearer with the term of finite energy (didn't have a better word/term at the time)
By saying finite, what I mean was that the energy inside the sanctuary is indeed limited, but how limited depends on your call since the energy can always be stocked from inside the connection/channel that you created inside the sanctuary (that is connected to the ultimate if you use the ultimate as your preferred source of energy)

EDIT:

I've killed and created energy forms that change forms for the exact purpose that melt deeper into the individual with more change/thought that occurs. But, with the enough energy, you can have it mask and meld its core with the same frequency of energy that the mind attempts to blend the energy, and it only makes the poison sink deeper. I don't think I follow the means that you're explaining. In my experience, the only way I've ever been able to destroy these constructs were to sporadically violently shift energy frequencies inside until either the form or me burns out completely.

From my perspective, the form can be created, but the energy cannot be created in this system where we exist, it can only be transmuted and transformed
The term negative/unwanted energy (I think I should use a different term for this concept, it makes the concept of energy a little ambiguous) is simply a form of energy, it is not the energy
The energy is formless and without polar, no negative or positive, a form close to the purest form of the ultimate
While the negative/unwanted energy is merely a vessel containing a portion of the energy/the ultimate

The form is what one needs to destroy in order to purify the energy, and to do so, one need to see these form as not an absolute form, but as merely a form that can be deconstructed

Like the oracle said in the Matrix, everything that has a beginning, has an end
Which from what I perceived can also mean that, everything that was created can be deconstructed
And the only thing that was not created was the ultimate, the bornless one, all else are created from the ultimate, and so can be deconstructed into the ultimate once more

This post has been edited by arkham: Jul 23 2010, 04:29 AM

Ohh! Fantastic! That makes a lot more sense. The English language is foolishly stunted to be honest.

Now all misconceptions aside, I think I can add a few ideas into the mix.

I think that looking at the universe in layers, there is an undefinable (infinite) quantity of layers, and in such a situation. Your model works with the concept of the infinite, your ultimate, but there's a bit of a problem but otherwise it should be perfect.

Energy work is the work of the individual's mind. What they perceive and work is what is done. I still can't figure out exactly how and why, but there's a clear and distinctive between the efficacy of what the individual perceives (consciously and unconsciously.) A child's concept of gigantic might only reach from the length of one side of his house to the end of the neighborhood, while that of an adult could be from one side of a city to the end of the city limits (before breaking off from comprehended quantity and into a concept an individual can't completely comprehend.)

This is a problem with the ultimate/infinite too. Theoretically, if one can access and completely comprehend infinity the way we can comprehend certain levels of quantity (before it breaks off into simply a number in our understanding), then there wouldn't be that problem. To me, infinity is the notion of endlessness, but I cannot genuinely comprehend it in such a way that I could immediately understand genuine nature of it. For example, if I say 234,405,234 people: does it come out to be a number? Or can you visualize that many people? If I were to say infinity, the endless, can you visualize, or comprehend an endless quantity beyond a conceptual level? To a certain degree, quantity eventually melts into a vague concept that we can't grasp and breach, albeit use in construction effectively. For me, the problem therein lies that I cannot completely and wholly comprehend infinity as a whole: I can only so far understand expanding quantity, but it's still finite in value, though expanding.

This is actually quite a problem that I've seen in many shields, where an individual waywardly tries to create an infinitely impenetrable shield, and if you simply knock upon their idea of infinity, you can quickly and easily fragment the concept it comes from, and the shield as a whole collapses. I honestly don't know why this happens; theoretically the individual's perception is absolute in their paradigm, and common reality should technically allow each individual's views to be equally strong, and therefore a child's notion of impenetrable should be akin to a seasoned caster's point of view.

Anyhow, I can't conceptualize the notion of the infinite/ultimate well enough so, pretty much I'm constrained by a gigantic expanding value, as opposed to genuinely infinite quantity. What I've been using instead so far is void, nil. The absence of quantity. I'm not exactly sure how to describe it, but I agree with you: the end is the beginning. For some obscure reason, i've found that using void as opposed to infinity as a coefficient value in my forms has been incredibly more effective for me, but from your explanations, I feel that the infinite would be ideal.

Dunno, thoughts/advice/counter-critique?

So, if I catch it correctly, the problem is about understanding what the infinite is?
Hmm, lets see what I can come up with about that

Note: Another long post here, sorry

If I'm not mistaken, the Tao approach of the concept of Tao is that, Tao is simply Tao, the Tao that can be spoken of is not the real Tao
This concept causes some to not try to define what Tao is, because Tao is simply Tao

That, in my perspective, is correct, one cannot define what the Tao is, because if it can be defined, then it is not the real Tao
But is defining the Tao something that should not be done?

In my perspective, the concept and the teachings of Tao, is the concept for the soul
It was not meant to be understandable, because the soul does not understand, the soul simply knows

The act of understanding something, is the action of the mind, not the soul
There's a bit of an approach difference here, the mind was designed to rationalize everything
The mind, cannot understand abstraction, and because of that, the mind tries to put abstraction into scopes and contexts, in order to understand it

Based on the layers that I stated before, the soul/subconscious, does not need to understand, because it is located closer to the infinite/Tao than the mind is (our mind is closer to the plane of physical existence), and because it's closer to the source, it knows everything that one needs to know, it has access to the collective consciousness that is Tao

So, where am i going with this?

The concept that I always use when I try to understand the Tao is the concept of duality
Why?
Duality is not the manner of Tao, duality is not the manner of the One that is All
But duality, is indeed the manner of existence, or so I perceived

The mind can't understand the true manner of the One, but the mind can try to rationalize the form of the One based one's own perspective
By rationalizing the form of Tao, one would not get what the real Tao is, because the Tao that can be spoken is not the real Tao

But by rationalizing the Tao, one can get at max half the cookie of what Tao is really is
The other half, must be experienced and simply known by the unconscious/soul, not by the mind

Some people have better grasp on the concept of Tao from the soul approach, but they don't want to rationalize it, some just don't believe that the infinite can be rationalized, it's just not how things go, Tao can only be experienced, not to be understand, god is god, god is not to be defined by a human, what's in a human that made him worthy of judging what god is? such arrogance, forgetting one's place in the world...

Some people have a very good theory on what the Tao is from the mind approach, but they don't want to see it from the soul perspective, simply because its irrational, everything always have an explanation, a logic explanation, and that covers this thing called god as well

In my personal opinion, both of them are extreme polarity, polarity doesn't lead to the ultimate, polarity leads to duality
If one wishes to understand the concept of the infinite, one needs to have a balance between both polarity

My personal opinion again, is that the mind actually possess the ability to rationalize the needed portion of what god is, and that the soul is actually willing to tolerate what the mind is trying to do

Back to the method, to create an impenetrable barrier, then one would need to grasp the totality of the One, from the soul and the mind perspective, 100%
But if one does that, one wouldn't need to create an impenetrable barrier, what for, one would already become the ultimate if 100% is achieved, there would be no need to protect oneself by creating a barrier, that barrier and all the affliction that one tried to protect from is the same thing, it is oneself

Because of that, I theorize that, there is no need to understand the one 100%, all one need to create a strong barrier is a strong enough state of soul and mind, but in a balanced state, not too much gap
On how to fill the gap, well, everything strives to reach balance, so I don't think there's a need to worry about how to fill the gap, it'll close down by itself as long as one let one's interpretation of everything to be loose enough, have no judge of everything, just let the mind free, and the soul will come

The barrier won't be perfect, but as long as we still exist in existence, there is no perfection in the ultimate sense of perfection, all there is is a chaotic sense of perfection, a state of chaotic balance between the two extremities of the mind and the soul

And that is how I see it, thoughts?

This post has been edited by arkham: Jul 23 2010, 10:24 AM